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Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
Digging4Truth
06-20-2007, 08:50 AM
I just love a good revolution. :)
Nahum
06-20-2007, 08:50 AM
Big whoop, like we're all shocked or somethin'?
Times they are a changin'.
Big churches will get a pass. Little ones might get called before the district board. :club
Steve Epley
06-20-2007, 08:55 AM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
Good grief most UPC folks have televisions so what is the big deal. The presbyter in the section I was raised in had a television when I was a boy.
Every UPC church in the area back then was filled with television it never was a big deal with them. The Independent brethren were anti television then but they joined and now they all have televisions. Thank God for those who don't and make a stand but it is too little too late I fear.
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 08:58 AM
Big churches will get a pass. Little ones might get called before the district board. :club
Was the church in TX (who recently disaffiliated) a large or small church?
Was the church in TX (who recently disaffiliated) a large or small church?
Good point...lol
COOPER
06-20-2007, 09:00 AM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
Anthony Mangun? s/p
NYLP,
In your opinion what is the rationale behind this larger UPC church making this move just a few months before GC?
Do you believe they are willing to just drop it all a mere four months after starting it if the resolution fails at GC?
By "gone to TV" do you mean advertising on TV or a program on TV?
Was the church in TX (who recently disaffiliated) a large or small church?
I went to a concert there about 13 years ago and I guessed it to run about 500-800.
Anthony Mangun? s/p
AM runs considerably more than 800.
revrandy
06-20-2007, 09:18 AM
I don't think this will be suprising anybody anymore.....:coffee2
OP_Carl
06-20-2007, 09:23 AM
I don't think this will be suprising anybody anymore.....:coffee2
Yeah, but CC1 does have a point . . . . it's weird that they didn't wait until after the vote. If the vote went in favor of TV, this change would in no way be rocking the boat.
revrandy
06-20-2007, 09:25 AM
Yeah, but CC1 does have a point . . . . it's weird that they didn't wait until after the vote. If the vote went in favor of TV, this change would in no way be rocking the boat.
On Both sides of the aisle I think that men are doing what they want to do...regardless of what the Org says... talking with Pastor Friends both on the West Coast and the East Coast and in the middle it seems that UPC is not offering folks much and I think some are just plain Org Weary....
Anthony Mangun? s/p
LOL NO! He runs 3,500...not 800! LOL
NYLP,
In your opinion what is the rationale behind this larger UPC church making this move just a few months before GC?
Do you believe they are willing to just drop it all a mere four months after starting it if the resolution fails at GC?
By "gone to TV" do you mean advertising on TV or a program on TV?
No they wont drop it.....but the rationale is simple..
The UC keep yelling....."it wont work"....well....guess what it is working and they wont be able to argue with the facts of the results!
Nahum
06-20-2007, 09:29 AM
Seriously, I think everyone has already decided what they are gonna do after Tampa. Some of 'em have already decided to leave no matter what happens, others are just waiting a bit to see how it all goes down.
Hey, wasn't last week the deadline for the surveys?
Anyone here know how that went?:lol
Seriously, I think everyone has already decided what they are gonna do after Tampa. Some of 'em have already decided to leave no matter what happens, others are just waiting a bit to see how it all goes down.
Hey, wasn't last week the deadline for the surveys?
Anyone here know how that went?:lol
The men that I know of that are already on TV have no intention of leaving no matter how the vote goes.....
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 09:45 AM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
:hmmm The Pastor's son is currently already on television, right?
:hmmm The Pastor's son is currently already on television, right?
You are fostering a rumor here that is not true.:lol
rgcraig
06-20-2007, 09:49 AM
I think the bigger issue they need to worry about is this hair stuff and forget fighting about TV.
This hair doctrine concerns me.
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 09:51 AM
You are fostering a rumor here that is not true.:lol
:lol No. There is a prominent Louisiana Pastors son that's on television. :lol
Thumper
06-20-2007, 09:59 AM
It is funny that no seems to find a problem with people violating clearly spelled out agreements that someone has signed their name to. But I guess why should we be surprised when Holywood is involved.
:)
:lol No. There is a prominent Louisiana Pastors son that's on television. :lol
I know of which thou speakest.
NYLP,
did you see my question about whether you mean this church is advertising on TV or has a program on TV?
Jack Shephard
06-20-2007, 10:05 AM
It is funny that no seems to find a problem with people violating clearly spelled out agreements that someone has signed their name to. But I guess why should we be surprised when Holywood is involved.
:)
Such a UC thing to say. Hollywood has nothing to do with it. Reaching the masses that is the appeal.
Thumper
06-20-2007, 10:06 AM
Such a UC thing to say. Hollywood has nothing to do with it. Reaching the masses that is the appeal.
Such a UL thing to say. To dismiss lieing and broken promises as being onworthy of consideration.
Big churches will get a pass. Little ones might get called before the district board. :club
Not in texas! we kick em out big or little.
well, we TRY to convince the people that their pastor has taken them down the primrose path, and then the people reject us and thus take their church and go their own way.
that is how we roll in Texas! Hook'em Horns! Gig'em Aggies!
Such a UL thing to say. To dismiss lieing and broken promises as being onworthy of consideration.
I agree. I also agree that being true to the word of God and the great commission is more important than the goofy extreme legalism of the UPC.
These preachers who don't believe the legalism / restrictions on ministry through media, etc should be man enough to say so and turn in their cards.
Not in texas! we kick em out big or little.
well, we TRY to convince the people that their pastor has taken them down the primrose path, and then the people reject us and thus take their church and go their own way.
that is how we roll in Texas! Hook'em Horns! Gig'em Aggies!
LOL!!! I am dying to find out which petty jealous preacher turned in that pastor for having a TV. Probably some of the us four and no more crowd jealous of the success of that "compromising" church.
Jack Shephard
06-20-2007, 10:15 AM
Such a UL thing to say. To dismiss lying and broken promises as being onworthy of consideration.
It is only lying when you are with holding the truth. If they once said no to tv now are saying yes has nothing to do with lying or breaking promises. Though if they are acting like they have no tv but actually do then your statement applies.
You know I was told by a UPC minister that when they are asked to sign the affirmation statement that they can designate to sign under protest. That entitles them to make their own choice on tv. Just repeating what I was told so may not be gospel, but why would I question a UPC pastor about that...ummmmm yeah. :poloroid
TalkLady
06-20-2007, 10:16 AM
It is funny that no seems to find a problem with people violating clearly spelled out agreements that someone has signed their name to. But I guess why should we be surprised when Holywood is involved.
:)
That's the bigger issue, I would think - signing something and then not living up to it....People in the community talk about this kind of thing. That is how I learned about it first...I had no idea about this until I heard it from someone in the community...This issue and the hair issue that Renda mentioned seem to be in need of attention, more than advertising on TV..
The pastor's son in Louisiana that is on TV does not hold license, but is the assistant pastor of his dad's church. So he is not breaking any rules.
Nahum
06-20-2007, 10:17 AM
Can't we just all get along?:friend
I just can't stand arguments. I get sooooo sceeered.
TalkLady
06-20-2007, 10:18 AM
Good grief most UPC folks have televisions so what is the big deal.
Every UPC church in the area back then was filled with television it never was a big deal with them.
This is true where I live, too.
Consapostolic1
06-20-2007, 10:24 AM
Seems true to where I live also.
Thumper
06-20-2007, 10:42 AM
It is only lying when you are with holding the truth. If they once said no to tv now are saying yes has nothing to do with lying or breaking promises. Though if they are acting like they have no tv but actually do then your statement applies.
You know I was told by a UPC minister that when they are asked to sign the affirmation statement that they can designate to sign under protest. That entitles them to make their own choice on tv. Just repeating what I was told so may not be gospel, but why would I question a UPC pastor about that...ummmmm yeah. :poloroid
This kind of thinking will always baffle me.
I guess this is what the UPC so great :)
Thumper
06-20-2007, 10:42 AM
The pastor's son in Louisiana that is on TV does not hold license, but is the assistant pastor of his dad's church. So he is not breaking any rules.
That is a neat way to skirt an agreement that you made that you really don't like.
:)
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 10:43 AM
I'll get both barrels of the shotgun for this . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
I'll state it again . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
HQ has become too much like the government in Washington, DC. It's become too much of a "big brother" involving itself in things its founders never intended.
It's so messed up on the issue that it's going against its own Article 1 of the General Constitution:
"The purpose of the United Pentecostal Church International is to carry the whole gospel to the whole world by the whole church; to establish an effective organized effort; to encourage the opening and establishing of new works; to evangelize the world by every means possible; and to produce and maintain a clean ministry and fellowship."
It's also going against the autonomy of the local church:
The basic governmental structure of the UPCI is congregational with local churches being autonomous: the congregation elects its pastor and its leaders, owns its property, decides its budget, establishes its membership, and conducts all necessary business.
It's become more than what the founders created it to be, which originally was a fellowship of believers. It's now become a governmental agency, complete with the IRS, FBI, and Homeland Security.
Viva La Revolucion! :ranting
:haloplug
FirstRev
06-20-2007, 10:45 AM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
Dan...is your middle name THAD?
Thumper
06-20-2007, 10:47 AM
I'll get both barrels of the shotgun for this . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
I'll state it again . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
HQ has become too much like the government in Washington, DC. It's become too much of a "big brother" involving itself in things its founders never intended.
It's so messed up on the issue that it's going against its own Article 1 of the General Constitution:
It's also going against the autonomy of the local church:
It's become more than what the founders created it to be, which originally was a fellowship of believers. It's now become a governmental agency, complete with the IRS, FBI, and Homeland Security.
Viva La Revolucion! :ranting
:haloplug
Oh brother,
If you don't like the USA move to Cuba. I'm sure Fidel would be glad to have you.
If you don't like the the UPC leave it. No one is putting a gun to your head and keeping you in bondage.
But as long as you are in direct violation of aggreements that you make you are a liar. And guess where liars go.
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 10:51 AM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
:hmmm The Pastor's son is currently already on television, right?
:lol No. There is a prominent Louisiana Pastors son that's on television. :lol
I should clarify my statements here . . . to keep this good man from being wrongly bashed by UC's.
I'm not suggesting that it is this Pastor or this church. I was only trying to trip NYLP up into giving more information . . . :haloplug
COOPER
06-20-2007, 10:53 AM
I think the bigger issue they need to worry about is this hair stuff and forget fighting about TV.
This hair doctrine concerns me.
Hair Hair!
Sampson would have been forced to get a hair cut or have his licence taken away and dis-fellowship and marked a troublemaker.
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 10:58 AM
If you don't like the the UPC leave it. No one is putting a gun to your head and keeping you in bondage.
Right! Great cliche. Props to the wabbit! :thumbsup
But as long as you are in direct violation of aggreements that you make you are a liar. And guess where liars go.
Nope! I didn't make any agreement with the UPC, nor do I hold any license with them. And even if I did, I'd do what was suggested by a high-level HQ rep himself . . . I'd write an objection to the television clause, submit it and leave it up to HQ to either give or withhold license.
That way . . .
1) I'm not lying about anything; I've given full disclosure on my disagreement with the television clause; and
2) If HQ so desired, they could withhold sending a license or renewing the license after reading the objection and disclosure.
:sly
Kutless
06-20-2007, 11:07 AM
This is true where I live, too.I can second or third that wherever we are.
In fact my buddy attends down the road UPCI and told me his Pastor said from the pulpit he will not preach against TV and referenced a show he watched in a sermon.
YEEEEEEEHAAAAW
Thumper
06-20-2007, 11:10 AM
Right! Great cliche. Props to the wabbit! :thumbsup
Nope! I didn't make any agreement with the UPC, nor do I hold any license with them. And even if I did, I'd do what was suggested by a high-level HQ rep himself . . . I'd write an objection to the television clause, submit it and leave it up to HQ to either give or withhold license.
That way . . .
1) I'm not lying about anything; I've given full disclosure on my disagreement with the television clause; and
2) If HQ so desired, they could withhold sending a license or renewing the license after reading the objection and disclosure.
:sly
The objection clause has never been accepted for the TV clause.
Nice try though.
Jack Shephard
06-20-2007, 11:11 AM
I'll get both barrels of the shotgun for this . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
I'll state it again . . .
I hope there's more UPC Churches and Pastors who start advertising on television, regardless of what happens in Tampa.
HQ has become too much like the government in Washington, DC. It's become too much of a "big brother" involving itself in things its founders never intended.
It's so messed up on the issue that it's going against its own Article 1 of the General Constitution:
It's also going against the autonomy of the local church:
It's become more than what the founders created it to be, which originally was a fellowship of believers. It's now become a governmental agency, complete with the IRS, FBI, and Homeland Security.
Viva La Revolucion! :ranting
:haloplug
Beautiful, Just Beautiful...it brings a tear to my eye!:hanky
Thumper
06-20-2007, 11:11 AM
I can second or third that wherever we are.
In fact my buddy attends down the road UPCI and told me his Pastor said from the pulpit he will not preach against TV and referenced a show he watched in a sermon.
YEEEEEEEHAAAAW
YEEEEEHAAAAAAW
"NOW I'M JUSTIFIED IN WATCHING EVERY FILTHY THING MY LITTLE BLACK HEART DESIRES"
Nahum
06-20-2007, 11:13 AM
I can second or third that wherever we are.
In fact my buddy attends down the road UPCI and told me his Pastor said from the pulpit he will not preach against TV and referenced a show he watched in a sermon.
YEEEEEEEHAAAAW
Stinkin' liberal hypocrite!
Kutless
06-20-2007, 11:16 AM
Stinkin' liberal hypocrite!hey wath your tone mr.
Kutless
06-20-2007, 11:17 AM
YEEEEEHAAAAAAW
"NOW I'M JUSTIFIED IN WATCHING EVERY FILTHY THING MY LITTLE BLACK HEART DESIRES"Hey now Sis Thumper you should try to incorporate some self control in your viewing.. Prayer usually helps.
Jack Shephard
06-20-2007, 11:23 AM
YEEEEEHAAAAAAW
"NOW I'M JUSTIFIED IN WATCHING EVERY FILTHY THING MY LITTLE BLACK HEART DESIRES"
FINALLY HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!! :poloroid
Esther
06-20-2007, 11:42 AM
Hey now Sis Thumper you should try to incorporate some self control in your viewing.. Prayer usually helps.
You sure this person is a "sis"?
Kutless
06-20-2007, 11:55 AM
You sure this person is a "sis"?I am guilty of making that mistake before.
If not my apologies.
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 12:28 PM
The objection clause has never been accepted for the TV clause.
Nice try though.
Granted, I'm not a licensed minister and haven't done this personally . . . but JTullock can verify this and was told the same thing by the same minister who is a high-level HQ rep and on a couple different HQ Boards.
Now, he could be lying . . . :lol . . . but I doubt he'd tell his close relative who's licensed to do this thing, if it wasn't something accepted by HQ or not already being done by other ministers.
Straightline
06-20-2007, 01:10 PM
I can second or third that wherever we are.
In fact my buddy attends down the road UPCI and told me his Pastor said from the pulpit he will not preach against TV and referenced a show he watched in a sermon.
YEEEEEEEHAAAAW
Now we know the real reason for wanting television: New sermon ideas
Roll that TV out the door in a
Straightline
Jack Shephard
06-20-2007, 01:45 PM
Granted, I'm not a licensed minister and haven't done this personally . . . but JTullock can verify this and was told the same thing by the same minister who is a high-level HQ rep and on a couple different HQ Boards.
Now, he could be lying . . . :lol . . . but I doubt he'd tell his close relative who's licensed to do this thing, if it wasn't something accepted by HQ or not already being done by other ministers.
I can verify that Chaotic is tell the truth! I was told by the close relative and the HQ rep that they do this. I wonder if they really can do this?
chaotic_resolve
06-20-2007, 01:50 PM
I can verify that Chaotic is tell the truth! I was told by the close relative and the HQ rep that they do this. I wonder if they really can do this?
I asked my brother about this (licensed UPC minister) - he states that he's heard about this being done. It was even posted on in another forum.
:sly
Kutless
06-20-2007, 02:08 PM
Now we know the real reason for wanting television: New sermon ideas
Roll that TV out the door in a
Straightline:killinme:killinme:killinme
That was good....You kill me with those straightline comments.
point your antenna to Heaven
...in a straightline
YEEEEEHAAAAAAW
"NOW I'M JUSTIFIED IN WATCHING EVERY FILTHY THING MY LITTLE BLACK HEART DESIRES"
Oh please! Spare us from this tendency your kind have of taking things to extremes. Who said anything about watching every filthy thing their black heart desires? Grow up!
Hey now Sis Thumper you should try to incorporate some self control in your viewing.. Prayer usually helps.
Hey, now that's a novel idea!
Hesetmefree238
06-20-2007, 04:32 PM
I know of only a small handful of churches in our UPC district that preach
against TV.
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Oh please! Spare us from this tendency your kind have of taking things to extremes. Who said anything about watching every filthy thing their black heart desires? Grow up!
Thumper did
IAintMovin
06-20-2007, 04:56 PM
Yes friends...it is true....another UPCI church has gone the way of the "rebellion".
As of now another PROMINENT UPCI church has gone to TV.
Dont ask...I wont tell......BUT it would shock many of you that are familiar with this part of the Country.
They are running over 800....
Fasten your seatbelts UC's...this will be the trend...passed in Tampa or not.
Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV
Yeah Danny ol boy and that is still in The Book..........
Old Paths
06-20-2007, 05:31 PM
YEEEEEHAAAAAAW
"NOW I'M JUSTIFIED IN WATCHING EVERY FILTHY THING MY LITTLE BLACK HEART DESIRES"
Rom 1:29-32
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Hoovie
06-20-2007, 05:32 PM
perhaps we should now focus on the Internet??
Study: Teen Online Talk Largely About Drugs, Sex
Alarming Statistic Should Be Call To Arms For Parents
http://wcbstv.com/seenon/local_story_171170917.html
Old Paths
06-20-2007, 05:34 PM
How about dealing with issues less and dealing with SIN more.
Just a thought.
Hoovie
06-20-2007, 05:41 PM
How about dealing with issues less and dealing with SIN more.
Just a thought.
Exactly! Amen!
IAintMovin
06-20-2007, 05:42 PM
How about dealing with issues less and dealing with SIN more.
Just a thought.
OP we cant do that.......it makes too much sense........dont you know that it is much easier to deal with an issue than with sin??....for if we deal with the issues and leave sin out of the picture then we are able to never have to hold ourselves accountable.........deal with sin more......you gotta be kidding.......then people would have to actually admit sin and do something about it.........
Kinda like signing that AS and then doing as they please.........
Nawwwwwww lets stick to issues :vomit..........
Steve Epley
06-20-2007, 08:40 PM
I know of only a small handful of churches in our UPC district that preach
against TV.
That has been my experience with UPCers most already have televisions what's the big deal?
The pastor's son in Louisiana that is on TV does not hold license, but is the assistant pastor of his dad's church. So he is not breaking any rules.
That is correct Bro. Dan.....also....This thread is NOT about The church in Monroe.
NYLP,
Did you ever clarify whether or not the church you are talking about is advertising on TV or is putting services or a program on TV?
Rev 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV
Yeah Danny ol boy and that is still in The Book..........
Dear Jim Bob,:poloroid
Tell me that you line up to EVERYTHING that is in the manual...EVERYTHING....
Most guys I know love to hoop and hollar about the tv part but fall way short on sports, movies, mixed bathing, on and on and on....when they say they line up to ALL of it then you have the right to say we are lying.
YOU sign the same card I do....again...do you line up to all of it??
ol Danny Boy.:club
NYLP,
Did you ever clarify whether or not the church you are talking about is advertising on TV or is putting services or a program on TV?
At this point I know its advertising.
BoredOutOfMyMind
06-21-2007, 08:54 AM
NYLP,
Did you ever clarify whether or not the church you are talking about is advertising on TV or is putting services or a program on TV?
Don't confuse this with FACTS!
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