Learn your gifts

[houston]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

[n david]

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Give me $199.95 and I teach you how to use your gifts more often and more accurately. Just send me $199.95 and I will not only teach you to use your gifts often and accurately, but I will also include a prayer cloth signed by me!

But wait! That's not all...

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For your seed offering of $199.95, you'll receive training on how to use your gifts more often and more accurately, along with an autographed prayer cloth, a .25ml vial of authentic Jordan River water and a .25ml vial of authentic Garden of Gethsemane Olive Oil!

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[1ofthechosen]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

This is about the only thing that someone could use and they would be abusing it terribly. Actually I only reference it because I've heard it used to support this non sense before.

2 Kings 2:11-14 "it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted d them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. [12] And Elisha saw it , and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. [13] He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; [14] And HE TOOK THE MANTLE OF ELIJAH THAT FELL FROM HIM, AND SMOTE THE WATERS, AND SAID, WHERE IS THE LORD GOD OF ELIJAH? AND WHEN HE ALSO HAD SMITTEN THE WATERS, THEY PARTED HITHER AND THITHER: AND ELISHA WENT OVER."

[Evang.Benincasa]

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[houston]

Stop

[1ofthechosen]

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Bro that can't be taught. You either got it or you don't. Don't blame him he was born that way...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Stop

How about Benny Vader

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

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I want to learn this!

Ndavid, how much do you charge to teach this stuff?

[1ofthechosen]

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I want to learn this!

Ndavid, how much do you charge to teach this stuff?

That is going to cost you 199 a month but as only a seed offering into the ministry.

[Esaias]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

I would say no. Otherwise, there would be something written to provide that information, in the Scripture. There is no record of Jesus or any apostle teaching people how to learn to use a gift of the Spirit, in the sense you are speaking of.

[houston]

what is with the hands in the background?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYAg6YtQo4w

[houston]

I would say no. Otherwise, there would be something written to provide that information, in the Scripture. There is no record of Jesus or any apostle teaching people how to learn to use a gift of the Spirit, in the sense you are speaking of.

my thoughts about it

[jediwill83]

Bout to head out for work but Id like to comment throughout the day when I can.


As a precursor to things Ill post later let me ask a few questions.


Is there a difference in OT miracles and power displayed by prophets and men of God of that period of time and the power of the Spirit that a New Covenant believer has?


How did the disciples learn to operate in power and authority?


Who was their example?


What did Paul tell the Corinthians "concerning spitituals"?


Is the operation of the "gifts" in the New Testament believer governed by some of the same "rules" given in the OT concerning the office of the prophet?


Did Jesus operate in "gifts" or did He operate in the Spirit?


Is that same Spirit in us?


Wouldn't that be the example the disciples saw and based their behavior on and thus taught the early church?


Isnt what we call "gifts" just a manifestation of Christ?


It would stand to reason that the more we grow up in Him and let Him manifest through us, the more we would see that power demonstrated.


Is it about seeking annointing and power we do nit already have? Or is it about flowing in what we already have when we are Spirit filled?

[Apostolic1ness]

Bout to head out for work but Id like to comment throughout the day when I can.


As a precursor to things Ill post later let me ask a few questions.


Is there a difference in OT miracles and power displayed by prophets and men of God of that period of time and the power of the Spirit that a New Covenant believer has?
I would say there is no difference, God is that same Spirit working in both.

How did the disciples learn to operate in power and authority?
I think their relationship with Jesus and the indwelling of His Spirit gave them the power and authority.

Who was their example?
Jesus was the example and the were led of the Spirit.

What did Paul tell the Corinthians "concerning spitituals"?
do you mean like "old negro spirituals"?LOL JK Paul said many things, Paul taught about keeping things in order, not to let things get out of hand for the sake of the unbeliever. He taught that the Gifts of the Spirit are for the edification of the church to strengthen the faith of the believer. Paul taught that all gifts are by the same Spirit. among other things.

Is the operation of the "gifts" in the New Testament believer governed by some of the same "rules" given in the OT concerning the office of the prophet?
Not sure what the rules are concerning prophets. I do believe that gifts of the spirit are for all believers to benefit from. not everyone was a prophet.

Did Jesus operate in "gifts" or did He operate in the Spirit?
I think you answered in your next question.

Is that same Spirit in us?
Absolutely!!!

Wouldn't that be the example the disciples saw and based their behavior on and thus taught the early church?
thats a good observation and a great question. That would definitely be eye opening as to the motive why we should be seeking God to use us.

Isnt what we call "gifts" just a manifestation of Christ?
I think your correct manifestation, demonstration etc.

It would stand to reason that the more we grow up in Him and let Him manifest through us, the more we would see that power demonstrated.


Is it about seeking annointing and power we do nit already have? Or is it about flowing in what we already have when we are Spirit filled?

I think its more about relationship relationship relationship. Sometimes i think we should define terms. anointing, what is meant when you say anointing? Are you referring to a separate power, or feeling? When God filled you "poured His Spirit into you" he anointed you. I would tend to lean more toward the latter of your question being more beneficial to the church.

These are just for what its worth short opinions to your great questions.

[Amanah]

The Holy Ghost within us is a treasure in an earthen vessel.
That vessel must be broken, the flesh must be under submission, through the word, prayer, fasting, and obedience, submission to authority for us to be led of the Spirit. Jesus is our example.

Luke 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

[Amanah]

Anointing Without Adjustments by Doug White



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9tJmyaJGw

[Michael The Disciple]

At the time I received the Holy Ghost April 3 1974, I also received a prophetic gift. I was truly amazed as I was not seeking it. I had repented Feb. 15 and turned from darkness to light.

I had not yet began to go to Church and had been neither in a Pentecostal or Charismatic Church in my life. All I knew was I loved Jesus.

I began to have prophetic dreams. They would usually come to pass in the next few days although later an expanse of time would sometimes pass before they were fulfilled.

I have a journal with over a hundred dreams that have come to pass over the years. So my experience is that no one taught me about the gift. It just happened and the way I knew it was real was when it would come to pass.

[Pressing-On]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

Yes, there is.

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal."

If a person's total desire to be used in the gifts is centered on love for the Kingdom of God and love for the people, they won't be shipwrecked.

I have known people who simply want to be used, but don't realize that the most important thing is not the gifts, but the love we have while being used in them.

How do we love? Being filled with His Spirit, of course, but also staying in communication with God as He renews our love and takes away our fears. When that happens, it is easier to be a channel to bless and strengthen the people of God and to show any visitor that this is what the Kingdom is about - power and love.

[n david]

IMO a lot of "prophetic" declarations from evangelists to saints are simply them repeating what they were told by the Pastor before the service began. And a lot of "prophetic" dreams are the result of bad eating before going to bed.

Honestly, I don't believe most who claim to be a prophet or prophetic.

[Pressing-On]

IMO a lot of "prophetic" declarations from evangelists to saints are simply them repeating what they were told by the Pastor before the service began. And a lot of "prophetic" dreams are the result of bad eating before going to bed.

Honestly, I don't believe most who claim to be a prophet or prophetic.

We have to worry about ourselves and not what other people may be doing. The love we have for God and his Kingdom (not the organization) is the most important thing.

[Apostolic1ness]

We have to worry about ourselves and not what other people may be doing. The love we have for God and his Kingdom (not the organization) is the most important thing.

what organization?

[Pressing-On]

what organization?
Whichever one we belong to that teaches the Apostles doctrine. We stand before God alone to give an account of ourselves.

[Apostolic1ness]

Whichever one we belong to that teaches the Apostles doctrine. We stand before God alone to give an account of ourselves.

oh just seemed kinda odd to throw in the "organization". as if...

[houston]

oh just seemed kinda odd to throw in the "organization". as if...

As if what? :foottap

[Pressing-On]

oh just seemed kinda odd to throw in the "organization". as if...

We are all, generally, cynics from time to time. It comes with the territory.

[Apostolic1ness]

As if what? :foottap

As if we were apart of an org. Do I sense disdain for the UPCI

[Pressing-On]

As if we were apart of an org. Do I sense disdain for the UPCI

I am part of an organization - the UPCI. If you sense disdain, it means you are cynical. We all have to be careful with cynicism. Houston likes straight up answers, and so I give them.

[houston]

As if we were apart of an org. Do I sense disdain for the UPCI

Outta here with that nonsense.

[consapente89]

As if we were apart of an org. Do I sense disdain for the UPCI

I don’t think so...I’ve not even posted yet!! :heeheehee

[consapente89]

Jk

[Apostolic1ness]

Outta here with that nonsense.

kid You take yourself way too seriously.

[houston]

Sure

[Pressing-On]

kid You take yourself way too seriously.

Houston has a right to not want his thread cluttered up with silly nonsense. The topic was not about organizations, but the gifts. Getting away from the actual topic is a waste of time, IMO.

[houston]

At the time I received the Holy Ghost April 3 1974, I also received a prophetic gift. I was truly amazed as I was not seeking it. I had repented Feb. 15 and turned from darkness to light.

I had not yet began to go to Church and had been neither in a Pentecostal or Charismatic Church in my life. All I knew was I loved Jesus.

I began to have prophetic dreams. They would usually come to pass in the next few days although later an expanse of time would sometimes pass before they were fulfilled.

I have a journal with over a hundred dreams that have come to pass over the years. So my experience is that no one taught me about the gift. It just happened and the way I knew it was real was when it would come to pass.
That sounds realistic.

[houston]

Yes, there is.

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal."

If a person's total desire to be used in the gifts is centered on love for the Kingdom of God and love for the people, they won't be shipwrecked.

I have known people who simply want to be used, but don't realize that the most important thing is not the gifts, but the love we have while being used in them.

How do we love? Being filled with His Spirit, of course, but also staying in communication with God as He renews our love and takes away our fears. When that happens, it is easier to be a channel to bless and strengthen the people of God and to show any visitor that this is what the Kingdom is about - power and love.

This makes sense. Someone with a 50% margin of error (his own words) probably has other motives.

[houston]

IMO a lot of "prophetic" declarations from evangelists to saints are simply them repeating what they were told by the Pastor before the service began. And a lot of "prophetic" dreams are the result of bad eating before going to bed.

Honestly, I don't believe most who claim to be a prophet or prophetic.

I think this is true. I had a pastor who used to say that the evangelist has full liberty to preach whatever is on his heart. Years later he slipped up and told us that he gives cues to the evangelist when he wants him to stay on a topic, change a topic. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he told The evangelist some peoples issues. Especially when it was common for people to say that God told them something when in reality they received info from another person. The justification for saying “God told me” was that God must have wanted them to know or they would have never received the information.

[Pressing-On]

This makes sense. Someone with a 50% margin of error (his own words) probably has other motives.

Exactly! :thumbsup

Even with the Holy Ghost, we have to be renewed by spending time with God. When we spend time with God, He fills us with love, we reach out in love, making selfishness the least of our problems.

[Pressing-On]

I think this is true. I had a pastor who used to say that the evangelist has full liberty to preach whatever is on his heart. Years later he slipped up and told us that he gives cues to the evangelist when he wants him to stay on a topic, change a topic. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he told The evangelist some peoples issues. Especially when it was common for people to say that God told them something when in reality they received info from another person. The justification for saying “God told me” was that God must have wanted them to know or they would have never received the information.

I hope he learned his lesson in some way and repented of coercing the Spirit in a service. Totally carnality.

[houston]

I hope he learned his lesson in some way and repented of coercing the Spirit in a service. Totally carnality.

I don’t know what happened after I left. He has lost a lot of people.

[n david]

I think this is true. I had a pastor who used to say that the evangelist has full liberty to preach whatever is on his heart. Years later he slipped up and told us that he gives cues to the evangelist when he wants him to stay on a topic, change a topic. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he told The evangelist some peoples issues. Especially when it was common for people to say that God told them something when in reality they received info from another person. The justification for saying “God told me” was that God must have wanted them to know or they would have never received the information.

Billy Cole mentioned this during one of his messages at BOTT in the 90s. He warned against people claiming God told them something when it wasn't God who told them.

There's too many self-appointed people running around claiming they're some Prophet or Prophetess, etc. My rule of thumb is if they have a website, social media page or business card identifying themselves as "Prophet" Joe Smith or "Prophetess" Josephina Smith ... I steer clear.

[n david]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.
I believe the "learning" comes through complete dedication to prayer and by exercising the gift. The more dedicated you are in prayer, the easier it will be to hear the voice of God. And the more you exercise and use the gift, the easier it will become.

[houston]

I believe the "learning" comes through complete dedication to prayer and by exercising the gift. The more dedicated you are in prayer, the easier it will be to hear the voice of God. And the more you exercise and use the gift, the easier it will become.

Yes! If there’s doubt then stating “God said” is not acceptable.

[houston]

Billy Cole mentioned this during one of his messages at BOTT in the 90s. He warned against people claiming God told them something when it wasn't God who told them.

There's too many self-appointed people running around claiming they're some Prophet or Prophetess, etc. My rule of thumb is if they have a website, social media page or business card identifying themselves as "Prophet" Joe Smith or "Prophetess" Josephina Smith ... I steer clear.

So it’s common. Sad.

[jediwill83]

I believe the "learning" comes through complete dedication to prayer and by exercising the gift. The more dedicated you are in prayer, the easier it will be to hear the voice of God. And the more you exercise and use the gift, the easier it will become.


The way its listed by Paul, the gifts are to be used in a setting where they can be judged by those present. A setting like this would allow a believer to be "trained" so he can walk more confidently in his gifting or the Spirit.


Prophecy in the church age is NOT the same as it was in the OT.


There has to be room to grow and develop in a safe environment.


Church is supposed to be the training wheels for how God uses you OUTSIDE the church and that is done with relationships with the body and the ones with experience teaching those without.

[Evang.Benincasa]

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How much to learn this? :thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEfH3AXO1wU&ab_channel=NCACMediaMinistry

[jediwill83]

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How much to learn this? :thumbsup




He did a lot of shufflin in sock feet on carpet to build up that kinda charge.

[Evang.Benincasa]

He did a lot of shufflin in sock feet on carpet to build up that kinda charge.

It's force lighting.

[consapente89]

I don't see gifts as being "used" but rather "operated in". I believe wholeheartedly in the gifts of the Spirit and their operation in the Apostolic church. However, when we see them as something to use at our whim, we tend toward showmanship. The gifts of the Spirit are for accomplishing the will of God! If someone is prophesying correctly 50% of the time, they don't need to learn how to "use their gift" better. They just need to learn how to shut up when God isn't speaking!

I have seen the gifts manifested powerfully for the purpose and will of God, and I have seen them abused for the manipulation of human emotions, almost to the point of witchcraft. The Church needs the element of the supernatural, but I'd rather be cold and lifeless than fake.

If someone is trying to operate in some supernatural work of God, yet their personal holiness and consecration is lacking, they will find themselves operating out of the flesh or another spirit. The true operation of the gifts always go hand in hand with the old paths, in my opinion.

[jediwill83]

I don't see gifts as being "used" but rather "operated in". I believe wholeheartedly in the gifts of the Spirit and their operation in the Apostolic church. However, when we see them as something to use at our whim, we tend toward showmanship. The gifts of the Spirit are for accomplishing the will of God! If someone is prophesying correctly 50% of the time, they don't need to learn how to "use their gift" better. They just need to learn how to shut up when God isn't speaking!

I have seen the gifts manifested powerfully for the purpose and will of God, and I have seen them abused for the manipulation of human emotions, almost to the point of witchcraft. The Church needs the element of the supernatural, but I'd rather be cold and lifeless than fake.

If someone is trying to operate in some supernatural work of God, yet their personal holiness and consecration is lacking, they will find themselves operating out of the flesh or another spirit. The true operation of the gifts always go hand in hand with the old paths, in my opinion.


I find it interesting that Paul rakes the Corinthians over the coals for being carnal but he doesn't sit them down and forbid the operation of the gifts until they straighten up.


In fact, he seems to encourage their use and is giving instruction to them on their use.


Could it be that the gifts were so strongly on operation with them because God was cleaning up some messes?


Ive been used before in the gifts in some intense ways when I wasnt exactly "living right"...but I didnt walk away from that experience feeling that my carnality and sin was justified because me being used in the gifts was some sort of stamp of approval from God.


It was humbling experiences that made me more aware of God...that stirring up of the gifts...it made me want to be closer to Him and it caused me to recognize how far I was and it gave me a lifeline to hold onto while I made my way back.


When what is in you flows OUT...it starts to clean off some of your mess.


You can keep adding more mess to replace what is eroded away of course but it doesnt change the nature of what is being used in you.



Ive heard it described that manifestations of "gifts" are like waves cresting...the water rises to an certain point and where it peaks...thats the gift...thats what raises you from where you are to that higher level.


The key I believe is that when we keep our mind renewed to His Word, we begin to live at the level where before we were able to only reach by riding that wave...the gifts are pullings that are trying to elevate your daily existence to where you walk and talk like Christ to where it becomes a lifestyle and not a event.

[Apostolic1ness]

I find it interesting that Paul rakes the Corinthians over the coals for being carnal but he doesn't sit them down and forbid the operation of the gifts until they straighten up.
perhaps Not everyone at Corinth was carnal.

In fact, he seems to encourage their use and is giving instruction to them on their use.


Could it be that the gifts were so strongly on operation with them because God was cleaning up some messes?


Ive been used before in the gifts in some intense ways when I wasnt exactly "living right"...but I didnt walk away from that experience feeling that my carnality and sin was justified because me being used in the gifts was some sort of stamp of approval from God.


It was humbling experiences that made me more aware of God...that stirring up of the gifts...it made me want to be closer to Him and it caused me to recognize how far I was and it gave me a lifeline to hold onto while I made my way back.


When what is in you flows OUT...it starts to clean off some of your mess.


You can keep adding more mess to replace what is eroded away of course but it doesnt change the nature of what is being used in you.



Ive heard it described that manifestations of "gifts" are like waves cresting...the water rises to an certain point and where it peaks...thats the gift...thats what raises you from where you are to that higher level.


The key I believe is that when we keep our mind renewed to His Word, we begin to live at the level where before we were able to only reach by riding that wave...the gifts are pullings that are trying to elevate your daily existence to where you walk and talk like Christ to where it becomes a lifestyle and not a event.

Gifts are for the purpose of edification of the believer and persuasion of the unbeliever. They are to be coveted for these purposes only. Paul addressed the Corinthian church about governing certain gifts with very common sense thoughts. We should focus on our relationship with God rather than being used in the gifts. Many men go off the deep end focusing on gifts rather that doctrine. They end up like the magicians of the king of Egypt replicating what God did through Moses. we dont need magic preachers.

[n david]

I don't see gifts as being "used" but rather "operated in". I believe wholeheartedly in the gifts of the Spirit and their operation in the Apostolic church. However, when we see them as something to use at our whim, we tend toward showmanship. The gifts of the Spirit are for accomplishing the will of God! If someone is prophesying correctly 50% of the time, they don't need to learn how to "use their gift" better. They just need to learn how to shut up when God isn't speaking!
Use vs operate -- semantics.

Operate: control the function of; perform
Use: the action of using something or the state of being used for some purpose

[votivesoul]

Is there a scriptural precedent for people to learn how to use the gifts of the Spirit?

1 Corinthians 14:37 (ESV),

37. If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

All we can learn to do is to acknowledge that Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians 12-14 are the commandments of the Lord and yield our members to that fact and be submissive to the Word and take up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Jesus.

There's no other way to learn how to use the charismata of God. Because we do not use or operate or administer the gift. The Lord is the One who does it all. We just have to let Him take and be in control of us however and wherever He wants whenever He wants, which is ALL THE TIME.

Anything else we might lack He will supply and teach to us. Too many people want to tell others how it seems God speaks to them, or moves on them, or urges or leads them like it's a one size fits all method. Imagine telling someone God raises the hackles on your neck whenever He allows you to discern an evil spirit and that person then thinks as long as the hairs on their neck don't stand up, it must not be a demon?

Some say they feel a pressure or a squeezing in their belly when the Lord wants them to prophesy but what if I don't ever feel that? Guess the Lord never wants me to prophesy???

This is why I think it's better to remain quiet and teach people the Word in truth and love and let Jesus sort the rest out in them when it comes to the charismata. Therefore any gift, so called, as the case might be, can be compared to the Scriptures and the moment any of it doesn't line up, it's bogus. You don't have to feel anything, or have some sense or other mystical experience to know one thing or another. You just have to point to the Bible and say "Not there", and reject it out of hand.

Like, prophecy and vocal gifts accurate 50% of the time... until you learn how to be ...more accurate? Saying that out loud... leaves a bad taste.

It would be beneficial to the one who averages 50-50 to know they are missing it half the time so they can repent, apologize, and get their partially in check flesh all the way crucified.

[houston]

1 Corinthians 14:37 (ESV),

37. If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

All we can learn to do is to acknowledge that Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians 12-14 are the commandments of the Lord and yield our members to that fact and be submissive to the Word and take up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow Jesus.

There's no other way to learn how to use the charismata of God. Because we do not use or operate or administer the gift. The Lord is the One who does it all. We just have to let Him take and be in control of us however and wherever He wants whenever He wants, which is ALL THE TIME.

Anything else we might lack He will supply and teach to us. Too many people want to tell others how it seems God speaks to them, or moves on them, or urges or leads them like it's a one size fits all method. Imagine telling someone God raises the hackles on your neck whenever He allows you to discern an evil spirit and that person then thinks as long as the hairs on their neck don't stand up, it must not be a demon?

Some say they feel a pressure or a squeezing in their belly when the Lord wants them to prophesy but what if I don't ever feel that? Guess the Lord never wants me to prophesy???

This is why I think it's better to remain quiet and teach people the Word in truth and love and let Jesus sort the rest out in them when it comes to the charismata. Therefore any gift, so called, as the case might be, can be compared to the Scriptures and the moment any of it doesn't line up, it's bogus. You don't have to feel anything, or have some sense or other mystical experience to know one thing or another. You just have to point to the Bible and say "Not there", and reject it out of hand.



It would be beneficial to the one who averages 50-50 to know they are missing it half the time so they can repent, apologize, and get their partially in check flesh all the way crucified.
Excellent! Thanks.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Use vs operate -- semantics.

Operate: control the function of; perform
Use: the action of using something or the state of being used for some purpose


How about the use and operation of this gift?

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