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BCsenior
08-07-2019, 10:24 AM
Isaiah 42:1
“Behold! My (Father God) Servant (Jesus) whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”

Isaiah 48:12-16
“Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens … I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. Come near to Me, hear this: I (Jesus) have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there, and now the Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent Me.”
Note: Father God promises to come to His people in the form of His Servant Jesus. Yes, the Word/Logos/Jesus/Son of God was with Father God from the very beginning (John 1:1), except He was not called "Jesus", "Son of God",
until He was on earth.

Matthew 3:16-17
“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I (Father God) am well pleased.’ ”

Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit …”
Question: Why one name? ... Why not 3 separate names?
Answer: Perhaps, They are All meant to be looked upon as One God.

Luke 1:35
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Highest will over-shadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One (Jesus) who is to be born will be called the Son of (Father) God.”

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My (Jesus) name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I (Jesus) shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.”

Acts 2:38-39
“Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our (Father) God will call.’ ”

Acts 7:54-56
“When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him (Stephen) with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of (Father) God, and said, ‘Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!’ ”

Romans 8:11
“But if the Spirit of Him (Father God) who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”

1 Corinthians 6:11
“But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our (Father) God.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of (Father) God,
and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.”

Ephesians 2:18
“For through Him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.”

Titus 3:5-6
“… according to His (Father God’s) mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior …”
I see the 3 Persons of the Godhead having different functions, such as:
Father = The CEO
Son = The Administrator
Holy Spirit = The Work-horse

And it was the Word (the Logos) who came to earth
and became flesh (Jesus Christ).
He was "called" the Son of God because the Holy Spirit was His "father".
In God's Plan it could be no other way; Jesus could not have a human father.

This is only a quick starter list ... please feel free to add more verses.
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Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 12:58 PM
Verses showing the Triune Godhead in each verse
Isaiah 42:1
“Behold! My (Father God) Servant (Jesus) whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”

Where do you see anything about three co equal co eternal persons each one distinct from the other one here? Remember to prove the trinity you must prove there are three co equal co eternal persons each one of them God distinctly from the other two.

It was a prophecy from the OT (which you said we should not use) about Gods servant. Is Gods SERVANT co equal with him? Is his SERVANT co eternal with him?

God is speaking about anointing the man Christ Jesus with HIS SPIRIT.

When God says I will put MY SPIRIT upon him how is that saying something that BELONGS TO GOD the one speaking, is co equal to God himself?

My spirit is not another person from me. Is your spirit another person from you?

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 01:53 PM
Isaiah 48:12-16
“Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens … I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there, and now the Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent Me.”

Does the word "I" signify more than one person? How about the word "my"? How about the word "Me"?

Whoever is speaking is the FIRST AND THE LAST. The first and the last is obviously one person.

Jesus revealed to John who is the first and the last.

Rev 1:17

17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus is the first and the last. He pre existed as YHWH in the OT. If the first and the last here is God the Father, Jesus is God the Father.

For some reason you left out verse 14. The one God has called in this context is Israel.

The last words of verse 16 concerning the one sent by the Lord God and his Spirit refers to Isaiah.

Note.

Isaiah 6:1-8

1In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

4And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

5Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

6Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged

8Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

Isaiah sees the glory of the Adonai. In verse 8 it is clear Isaiah was the one who was sent by the Lord God and his Spirit.

John refers to this very thing in John 12:37-41

37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 02:23 PM
Matthew 3:16-17
“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I (Father God) am well pleased.’ ”

BC, Remember to prove the trinity you must produce verses that say there are three co equal and co eternal persons each one of them God distinct from the other two.

Two problems with the Trinitarian understanding of this event. The obvious is that it would produce three Gods instead of one at the baptism.

The other is if Jesus was there that day as the second God person one might ask why would a God person need to be baptized in water? The Trins have no problem with God.....needing to be baptized in water?

The obvious answer here is that Jesus was being baptized AS A MAN. His God and Father in Heaven.....the only true God was well pleased and gave a manifestation of himself as a pure dove coming upon his human son.

Apostolic1ness
08-09-2019, 02:37 PM
John the baptizer was told that the one he saw the spirit descending on and staying was the Christ. So the "dove" was for the sake of John the baptizer, the voice may have been to the disciples of John or to others around at the time to identify Jesus as the Christ as well.

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 02:56 PM
Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit …”
Question: Why one name? ... Why not 3 separate names?
Answer: Perhaps, They are All meant to be looked upon as One God.

Well ok. Then all Trins should be baptized into the one name. Oneness practices this following the Apostles doctrine.

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 03:00 PM
Luke 1:35
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Highest will over-shadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One (Jesus) who is to be born will be called the Son of (Father) God.”

Was Jesus born as an eternal son? Or as a human son? Cant find three co equal co eternal persons here.

Jesus is called the Son of the Father. Not a God person.

BCsenior
08-09-2019, 03:28 PM
I promised to produce NT verses where all 3 Persons
of the Triune Godhead are mentioned in each verse,
and I have done so.

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 03:53 PM
I promised to produce NT verses where all 3 Persons
of the Triune Godhead are mentioned in each verse,
and I have done so.

Thats odd. I haven't found one!

BCsenior
08-09-2019, 04:06 PM
Thats odd. I haven't found one!
That's simply because you have been deceived, brainwashed, etc.
against several NT spiritual Truths. Lots of people have been also!

Just look at the multitudes of "believers" today who are deceived into
believing in free-grace, easy-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.
If they don't overcome this horrendous thinking (OSAS, eternal security),
they are in mortal danger of staying in habitual sin and going to hell.

The Trinity is not the only spiritual Truth taught in the NT.
The anti-OSAS truth is also taught BIG-TIME in the NT. Dozens of verses.
But, Satan (working through the churches) is the master liar and deceiver.

Michael The Disciple
08-09-2019, 05:31 PM
That's simply because you have been deceived, brainwashed, etc.
against several NT spiritual Truths. Lots of people have been also!

Just look at the multitudes of "believers" today who are deceived into
believing in free-grace, easy-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.
If they don't overcome this horrendous thinking (OSAS, eternal security),
they are in mortal danger of staying in habitual sin and going to hell.

The Trinity is not the only spiritual Truth taught in the NT.
The anti-OSAS truth is also taught BIG-TIME in the NT. Dozens of verses.
But, Satan (working through the churches) is the master liar and deceiver.

I used to believe in the Trinity when I did not spend much time in the OT. Thankfully some Oneness Pentecostals went out of their way to point me to the truth.

As far as OSAS I am not aware at this time of Oneness groups that teach it. I have known a few in the past. To me its just as wrong to teach one need not be perfect as it is to teach OSAS.

The middle of the road types dont realize how close their doctrine is to OSAS.

Apostolic1ness
08-09-2019, 06:28 PM
That's simply because you have been deceived, brainwashed, etc.
against several NT spiritual Truths. Lots of people have been also!

Just look at the multitudes of "believers" today who are deceived into
believing in free-grace, easy-grace, hyper-grace, easy-believism, etc.
If they don't overcome this horrendous thinking (OSAS, eternal security),
they are in mortal danger of staying in habitual sin and going to hell.

The Trinity is not the only spiritual Truth taught in the NT.
The anti-OSAS truth is also taught BIG-TIME in the NT. Dozens of verses.
But, Satan (working through the churches) is the master liar and deceiver.

I think you maybe on the wrong forum to say that monotheistic believers are deceived.

Esaias
08-09-2019, 07:11 PM
If the godhead is triune, and all the godhead dwells within Jesus bodily, then Jesus is the incarnation of the Trinity, and not just of one Person.

So then... is Jesus in the godhead? Or is the godhead in Jesus?

Tithesmeister
08-09-2019, 08:13 PM
If the godhead is triune, and all the godhead dwells within Jesus bodily, then Jesus is the incarnation of the Trinity, and not just of one Person.

So then... is Jesus in the godhead? Or is the godhead in Jesus?

Col.2

[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


The Godhead is in Jesus, according to this passage.

BCsenior
08-10-2019, 11:02 AM
I think you maybe on the wrong forum to say that monotheistic believers are deceived.
You don't think believers who are deceived need to be warned?

BCsenior
08-10-2019, 11:15 AM
If the godhead is triune, and all the godhead dwells within Jesus bodily, then Jesus is the incarnation of the Trinity,
and not just of one Person.
So then... is Jesus in the godhead? Or is the godhead in Jesus?
"For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9)

Yes, this is incredible ... I never said this Truth was easy!
I did say the Truth of it probably must be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah says Jesus is God.
One of the Gospels says Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says He will send the Holy Spirit.
Jesus says Father God will send the Holy Spirit.
John 14 says all Three will indwell the believer.

C'mon, they're all intertwined ... Three separate, but One God.
Ever hear of faith?
We are to believe everything in Scripture by faith!
The Trinity also.
Maybe it's one of the TESTS of our faith?

Meanwhile, no one is explaining how and why ...
all Three are together in so many verses ... like They are equal.

Isn't the Scriptural evidence overwhelming?
.

BCsenior
08-10-2019, 11:27 AM
I am still absorbing your several posts.
Meanwhile, y'all may choose to try and absorb this ...

In the old covenant, God did not reveal Himself as a Triune God.
In the new covenant, born-again Christians have the Holy Spirit
indwelling them, so are much more able to absorb deeper truths.

In the beginning, the Word was with (Father) God
and the Word was God (John 1:1).

The Word became Jesus (John 1:14),
so the Word was (at least) “the God part” of Jesus,
and so obviously Jesus was (at least) part God.

In several NT verses …
many people called Jesus “the Son of God” because
the Holy Spirit (God) played the role of Jesus’ “father”.
The Word = Jesus = the Son of God is not Father God.

In several NT verses …
Jesus claimed to be equal with (Father) God,
and others claimed that Jesus was equal to (Father) God.

Jesus (God) prayed to (Father) God in heaven.

All of this Scripture …
Is it too difficult to understand intellectually, or must
the Holy Spirit intervene and reveal the truth spiritually?

Evang.Benincasa
08-10-2019, 04:19 PM
You don't think believers who are deceived need to be warned?

You are a Trinitarian?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3ohzdMk3uz9WSpdTvW/giphy.gif

Evang.Benincasa
08-10-2019, 04:28 PM
The Trinity is not the only spiritual Truth taught in the NT.
The anti-OSAS truth is also taught BIG-TIME in the NT. Dozens of verses.
But, Satan (working through the churches) is the master liar and deceiver.

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BCsenior
08-14-2019, 06:35 AM
Let's add 2 more ...

John 14:16-17
"And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth"

John 16:13-16
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; a little while, and you will not see Me; and again a
little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."
.

Michael The Disciple
08-14-2019, 08:49 AM
Let's add 2 more ...

John 14:16-17
"And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth"

John 16:13-16
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; a little while, and you will not see Me; and again a
little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."
.

Sorry BC but look at what you are doing. You are assuming 3 God persons are in the verses. Now if one admits to believing in 3 Gods I could see why they believe what they do.

Coming from the view of One God I see it more like this. Jesus speaks of praying to the Father. Yes. We get it. But was he speaking as God, or a God person?

If so then we can eliminate a truth that is in the Old and New Testament, namely that there is ONE GOD. ALSO does it not seem strange that if Jesus here is praying to the Father AS ANOTHER GOD, OR GOD PERSON, that he would need to pray to anyone AT ALL in order to accomplish his will?

The truth here seems to be that THE MAN Jesus was praying to God. That way the Oneness of God is maintained. Jesus was God MANifested in the flesh. A real man in the incarnation. It was outside the incarnation he was God.

It still works that way.

1 Tim. 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.

There is one God and one man.

Jesus is BOTH God and man SIMULTANEOUSLY amen?

BCsenior
08-14-2019, 12:45 PM
Jesus is BOTH God and man SIMULTANEOUSLY amen?Yes, amen.

John 1:1,14 ...
The Word was God
The Word was with God
The Word became Jesus
Jesus is God

I guess the Holy Spirit was taking a nap during all of this. Amen?

Apostolic1ness
08-15-2019, 06:28 AM
Let's add 2 more ...

John 14:16-17
"And I (Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth"

John 16:13-16
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; a little while, and you will not see Me; and again a
little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father."
.

You forgot John 14:18 "Jesus speaking" I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. You also missed a part of verse 17.

If one has the Holy Spirit, that is none other than the Spirit of Christ. There is only ONE. not three

You can't just pick and choose to fit the trinity.

BCsenior
08-15-2019, 11:01 AM
You forgot John 14:18 "Jesus speaking" I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
You also missed a part of verse 17.
If one has the Holy Spirit, that is none other than the Spirit of Christ. There is only ONE. not three
You can't just pick and choose to fit the trinity.
Sorry, I omitted those for brevity ...
... I wasn't trying to hide anything.

I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ ...
... nor am I ashamed of the precious word of God!

No such thing as "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father").

Would you care to explain John 1:1,14 from a Oneness perspective?
.

Michael The Disciple
08-15-2019, 12:19 PM
No such thing as "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture.

Romans 8:9

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father").

If this is what you believe you have never been taught by sophisticated, elite Trinitarians.

They teach God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost are co equal and co eternal persons each one distinct from the other. They would not allow for "roles" in their explanation of this Trinity.

Michael The Disciple
08-15-2019, 12:23 PM
Would you care to explain John 1:1,14 from a Oneness perspective?

Im sure one of us will. In the meantime a good while back I explained to you who is the Father of Jesus. You said it would take time to absorb. Have you been absorbing?

Let me remind you what I wrote.


Who is the Father of Jesus?

Peter knew.

Acts 3:13

Quote:
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
I agree fully with Pete. The Father of Jesus is the GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC, AND JACOB.

Do you agree? If you say yes we can move on to the next question.

Who is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?

Moses met him in Exodus 3:4-6

4And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Here we see the one Apostle Peter said was the Father of Jesus. Amen?

Exodus 3:13-15

13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now we can see plainly the identity of the God of Abe, Issac, and Jacob. He is called I AM. Amen?

So I AM is the Father of Jesus Christ according to Apostle Peter in Acts 3:13.

If we miss this we will never be able to identify the Father of Jesus.

NOW.....who is Jesus?

John 8:56-59

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Ok the Father of Jesus is I AM. Agreed?

Jesus is I AM agreed?

Are there two I AM's?

Or is Jesus BOTH........the Father and the Son?

Is Jesus the I AM the Father of Jesus? Is that Bible?

Isaiah 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Did Isaiah say the Christ would be BOTH......The Father and the Son?

Did Jesus confirm it?

John 14:7-9


7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus reproved Phil for seeking to know the Father except by him! All Phil wanted was to know the Father APART FROM JESUS. The same thing Trins claim as part of their orthodox faith!

So who is the Father of Jesus? You tell me.

BCsenior
08-15-2019, 02:36 PM
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost are co equal and co eternal persons each one distinct from the other. They would not allow for "roles" in their explanation of this Trinity.
Okay, who was the "Father" of "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"?
The man part of Him, obviously.

BCsenior
08-15-2019, 02:50 PM
So who is the Father of Jesus? You tell me.
Thanks for taking the time to explain Oneness to me!

I previously said ...
-- if you have One, you have all Three
-- Jesus is called the Spirit (in one of the gospels)
-- the Word (Jesus) is Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)
-- the Word (Jesus) is "I AM" (John 8:24, 8:58, etc.)

Father God is "I AM" (Exodus 3).
They obviously are all "I AM".
They are 3 Manifestations of the same One God.
This One God chose to represent Himself to mankind in this manner!

These 3 Manifestations are even in the OT.
It appears that God the Father and the Spirit of God
were at the Creation (Genesis 1) ...
(but we know that Jesus actually did the creating: 5+ NT verses).
God the Son is talked about in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, etc.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father"-Luke 1:35)

.

Evang.Benincasa
08-15-2019, 03:26 PM
Okay, who was the "Father" of "our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"?
The man part of Him, obviously.

The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary.

So, it is the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost is the Father.

Did I win?

How many times have I said that Trinitarians believe in literally three gods.

Evang.Benincasa
08-15-2019, 03:30 PM
Thanks for taking the time to explain Oneness to me!

I previously said ...
-- if you have One, you have all Three
-- Jesus is called the Spirit (in one of the gospels)
-- the Word (Jesus) is Almighty God, Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)
-- the Word (Jesus) is "I AM" (John 8:24, 8:58, etc.)

Father God is "I AM" (Exodus 3).
They obviously are all "I AM".
They are 3 Manifestations of the same One God.
This One God chose to represent Himself to mankind in this manner!

These 3 Manifestations are even in the OT.
It appears that God the Father and the Spirit of God
were at the Creation (Genesis 1) ...
(but we know that Jesus actually did the creating: 5+ NT verses).
God the Son is talked about in Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, etc.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father"-Luke 1:35)

.



No, from everything you posted there is no one individual god, but many.
You believe god outside of the Torah. The Israelites believed in an invisible one god. No seperations whatsoever. He was God all by Himself, and shared His glory with no one else. There were none besides Him. God knew of no other gods.

Apostolic1ness
08-16-2019, 06:15 AM
Sorry, I omitted those for brevity ...
... I wasn't trying to hide anything.

I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ ...
... nor am I ashamed of the precious word of God!

No such thing as "the Spirit of Christ" in Scripture.

God the Word came from God the Father to become God the Son
through God the Holy Spirit (who played the role of His "father").

Would you care to explain John 1:1,14 from a Oneness perspective?
.

1Peter 1:11 Spirit of Christ
Philippians 1:19 Spirit of Jesus Christ
Romans 8:9 Spirit of Christ

I thinks we've found the fourth person. Will you now call God a Quadrant?

JamesGlen
08-16-2019, 07:19 AM
I posted those(like Phil. 1:19) for him a week ago. Post #40, and he still posted there’s no such thing as the Spirit of Christ in scripture, a week later...

Mercy.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?p=1569640#post1569640

BCsenior
08-16-2019, 10:02 AM
The Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary.
So, it is the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost is the Father.
Did I win?
How many times have I said that
Trinitarians believe in literally three gods.
Yes, you did indeed win.

I've explained that all Three are all One God ...
who are revealed/presented to us as Three Manifestations!

Is believing all of this about the Triune Godhead a TEST ...
of who is following the revelations/teachings of the Spirit?
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
these are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)

BCsenior
08-16-2019, 10:12 AM
I posted those (like Phil. 1:19) for him a week ago. Post #40, and he still posted there’s no such thing as the Spirit of Christ in scripture ...
Okay, obviously I forgot "Spirit of Christ" is in the NT.
So what! ... there are explanations ...

First, "the Word" (John 1) is the Spirit OF Christ, the Spirit IN Christ, etc.

Second, the God part of Christ is a spirit being.
.

Apostolic1ness
08-16-2019, 02:24 PM
Okay, obviously I forgot "Spirit of Christ" is in the NT.
So what! ... there are explanations ...

First, "the Word" (John 1) is the Spirit OF Christ, the Spirit IN Christ, etc.

Second, the God part of Christ is a spirit being.
.

Is it your position that the spirit being that is in Christ is the same spirit being who is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Welcome to oneness theology if the answer is yes.

Ehud
08-16-2019, 02:56 PM
Is it your position that the spirit being that is in Christ is the same spirit being who is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Welcome to oneness theology if the answer is yes.

:highfive

Evang.Benincasa
08-16-2019, 03:11 PM
1Peter 1:11 Spirit of Christ
Philippians 1:19 Spirit of Jesus Christ
Romans 8:9 Spirit of Christ

I thinks we've found the fourth person. Will you now call God a Quadrant?

Wow, what a pantheon of gods!!

BCsenior
08-16-2019, 04:29 PM
I just solved your problem ...

All you need to do is change your denomination's name to:
Old Testament Oneness.
Then, you will be more believable.

Evang.Benincasa
08-16-2019, 04:55 PM
I just solved your problem ...

All you need to do is change your denomination's name to:
Old Testament Oneness.
Then, you will be more believable.

Sean has a twin :heeheehee

Esaias
08-16-2019, 07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c24vCQlS4nU

BCsenior
08-17-2019, 08:33 AM
BC: The God part of Christ is a spirit being.

Is it your position that the spirit being that is in Christ is
the same spirit being who is the Father and the Holy Spirit.

We all accept that the Word (from heaven) was the Spirit who was IN Christ.

We should accept that God the Father and the Word
were 2 separate Persons -- so the Spirit (the Word) who was in Christ
was NOT the same spirit being who is the Father and the Holy Spirit.

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us ...
.

BCsenior
08-17-2019, 09:02 AM
Still, no one has explained who all of those people are in John 14-15-16.

TakingDominion
08-17-2019, 02:44 PM
Still, no one has explained who all of those people are in John 14-15-16.

Jesus!!

BCsenior
08-17-2019, 03:10 PM
BC:
Who are all of those people in John 14-15-16.

Jesus!!
It's a wonderful thing indeed that not everyone here is as crazy as you are!
.

BCsenior
08-20-2019, 06:16 AM
Eternal Life is knowing BOTH the Father and the Son
John 17:
1 Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh,
that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work
which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Father God also sends the Holy Spirit
John 14:
15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 And I will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever —
17 the Spirit of truth … you know Him,
for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Is this the shortest Trinity verse in Scripture?
John 14:16
“And I (Jesus) will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper”

Evang.Benincasa
08-20-2019, 07:51 AM
If God became a man, actually began to exist as a human being, without ceasing to be God (omnipresent Spirit), how would that human being speak?

I imagine He would speak exactly like He does in the Bible.

On the other hand, if God were a trinity of persons, and one of them became a human, I suspect He would speak of God in the plural: "They", rather than "Him". Unless He had no human consciousness, but was just God-in-a-physical-body. In which case His speech would not really make sense to us, people would think He was schizophrenic or psychotic, not to mention He simply wouldn't act, think, or feel in any genuinely human manner at all.

I also think He would mention "Hey, we're a trinity of Divine Persons". That He never said that is enough for me to reject the speculative nonsense of 4th and 5th century catholic priests.

:highfive

Esaias
08-20-2019, 07:56 AM
:)