Meanwhile in Virginia...

[Esaias]

:drawguns

[Pooky]

Meanwhile,theCulpeper mayor says he will deputize the residents if the gun law passes. I am from VA and don’t even recognize it anymore. I left 15 years ago.

[Evang.Benincasa]

My wife was born and raised in Arlington

[Nicodemus1968]

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

[Esaias]

Meanwhile,theCulpeper mayor says he will deputize the residents if the gun law passes. I am from VA and don’t even recognize it anymore. I left 15 years ago.

I believe 40 counties so far have passed Resolves (!) saying they will not comply. Either folks are writing the grandkids history books, or there may not be any history books (or grandkids to read them)...

[Evang.Benincasa]

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

You are talking about two different things here. One is using guns as protection at a church gathering. The other is having your property taken by force, whether it is horses, food, or your children. We have to keep the eye on the ball and not muddy the water, by lumping everything together. Or else intelligent people will just smile and walk off without any further discussion. The impeachment isn't about Andrew Johnson, or Donald Trump. It is about what is really happening as this is all being played out. Where does this all stop? Just guns being DEMANDED by a government? History shows us that it doesn't end with government taking personal tools of self defense. I personally believe that we don't need self defense tools in a church service. But do you happen to lock the doors of your house, cars, and church building? The tithe and offerings are they placed in a room with a lock? Box with a lock? How about police? Is it alright to use firepower as long as it is being wielded by an unbeliever? I'm just pointing out where all this tends to unravel.

[aegsm76]

I have several friends who will have no problem giving the government their guns.
One little piece at a time...

[Nicodemus1968]

You are talking about two different things here. One is using guns as protection at a church gathering. The other is having your property taken by force, whether it is horses, food, or your children. We have to keep the eye on the ball and not muddy the water, by lumping everything together. Or else intelligent people will just smile and walk off without any further discussion. The impeachment isn't about Andrew Johnson, or Donald Trump. It is about what is really happening as this is all being played out. Where does this all stop? Just guns being DEMANDED by a government? History shows us that it doesn't end with government taking personal tools of self defense. I personally believe that we don't need self defense tools in a church service. But do you happen to lock the doors of your house, cars, and church building? The tithe and offerings are they placed in a room with a lock? Box with a lock? How about police? Is it alright to use firepower as long as it is being wielded by an unbeliever? I'm just pointing out where all this tends to unravel.

This is for us, within the church. Bro. Benincasa, I used Church as the main point, because if they bring the guns to church 90% of the time they take them everywhere. You want to protect your property that’s fine, and protect I mean locking you house, cars, Church etc I owned several German Shepherds (grew up with those dogs) and I had warning signs on my property. Your right government will not stop with just taking the guns, the discussion can be then where do we as the church stop? Would a believer take no thought by using deadly force against someone that tried to take or damage your property? I say this because I see believers CC (concealed carry) going into church, going to the stores my personal opinion is your asking for trouble. You want to hunt go ahead I’m a duck hunter, I have several guns, yet I don’t have a CCP, dont need one.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have several friends who will have no problem giving the government their guns.
One little piece at a time...

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[Evang.Benincasa]

This is for us, within the church. Bro. Benincasa, I used Church as the main point, because if they bring the guns to church 90% of the time they take them everywhere. You want to protect your property that’s fine, and protect I mean locking you house, cars, Church etc I owned several German Shepherds (grew up with those dogs) and I had warning signs on my property. Your right government will not stop with just taking the guns, the discussion can be then where do we as the church stop? Would a believer take no thought by using deadly force against someone that tried to take or damage your property? I say this because I see believers CC (concealed carry) going into church, going to the stores my personal opinion is your asking for trouble. You want to hunt go ahead I’m a duck hunter, I have several guns, yet I don’t have a CCP, dont need one.

Again, we cannot use whether or not a Christian wants to CC or doesn't want to for whatever reason. Concealment of a firearm goes out the window when a government stops allowing their people to arm themselves. When I first came to church I lived with brothers and sisters who never locked their homes, believed calling law enforcement was lack of faith in God. A brother I worked with cutting trees never locked his gang box, and never locked or removed the wheels from our generator. He said if the watchmen doesn't keep the fortress the watch men wake up but still cannot defend. I believe that, but I am going to lock my tool box, and I am going to remove the wheels from the generator. If I have a crane available I may even hook it up and suspend the machine from the hook. God takes care of things where I have missed taking precautions. Satan challenges Jesus to jump off the temple. Satan quotes scriptures, and Jesus returns with an answer that no one should called God by saying that God is obliged to come to the aid if we jump off a building. Just because the scriptures speak of divine protection. A brother wants to lock his doors before he has church service? Who am I to say he isn't taking precautions which he feels he needs to take as pastor? Brother keeps a loaded shotgun under the pulpit? Sister Thibodaux, has a Smith & Wesson XVR 460 Magnum under her pew. I don't, I personally don't believe it is necessary, but that's me. What another pastor wants to insure his congregations safety, that's his call. But if a government decides to demand our personal property. Then that's a whole different horse, of another color.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Oh, I left out where we had saws stolen, and came in one morning to find that the generator was stolen. Was God asleep? Nope. Did God fail to protect? Not at all. I believe that God doesn't like being placed in a position where we slam our finger into a verse, and then command Him to perform. MHO.

[Esaias]

https://i.imgur.com/yJQUM9B.gif?noredirect

Looks like a SCAR in 5.56? Good grief what a waste of money. Even in .308 it's priced beyond reasonable.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Looks like a SCAR in 5.56? Good grief what a waste of money. Even in .308 it's priced beyond reasonable.

I guess it may be like whether or not you would own a Harley or a Honda VTX 1800. One is way overpriced, and basically just a name, and the other good reliable and better machine for the money. Yet a Harley is chosen over the Honda VTX 1800

[Esaias]

I guess it may be like whether or not you would own a Harley or a Honda VTX 1800. One is way overpriced, and basically just a name, and the other good reliable and better machine for the money. Yet a Harley is chosen over the Honda VTX 1800

Well, THAT ain't no Harley. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, THAT ain't no Harley. :heeheehee

Well, some may beg to differ. :nod

[Nicodemus1968]

Harleys are evil. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

Harleys are evil. :heeheehee

All of them currently, or should we start from 1901?

[Nicodemus1968]

All of them currently, or should we start from 1901?

I’m just joking.

[Esaias]

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/1576184806718.png

[Tithesmeister]

If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

[diakonos]

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

Where do you read that they used one?

[Tithesmeister]

Where do you read that they used one?

I believe it was Peter in the garden with the sword.

It may have been the butler in the garage with pipe wrench.

[diakonos]

I believe it was Peter in the garden with the sword.

It may have been the butler in the garage with pipe wrench.

And how did it turn out when Peter chopped off the guys ear?

[Tithesmeister]

And how did it turn out when Peter chopped off the guys ear?

Well, I'm pretty sure he had another.

Listen, I really don't want to spoil it for you. You probably should read it for yourself.

I was referring to Jesus telling them to buy a sword, even sell your coat if necessary. They told him they already had two. He said that was enough. I'm just going from memory here. If you read the book, I'm sure it is better than my summary.

[Esaias]

Apparently there is now a big bruha within the VNG (Virginia National Guard), the gubnah said he would use the national guard and a row erupted within the ranks prompting the Adjutant General to issue a statement stating he hasn't received any orders yet.

[Nicodemus1968]

You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

I do remember. I’m not sure your point?

Luke 22:36
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You’ll, have to explain your thoughts on what you believe this scripture is saying. Are you of the camp that says we need to have our guns ready to kill those that come against us. Guns bring a spirit upon a man if were not careful, they feel bigger and unstoppable with the gun by there side. I’m not against guns, like I said in a prior post, I’m a duck hunter, I enjoy hunting, but your not going to see me with a side arm walking around town, or with a gun in my pulpit either. People say Jesus is my protection, how can he be our protection if were already to take matters into our own hands. Like I said, I’m bringing another side to the argument, you can do what you feel to do. Yet, as the church we cannot do the “liberties” of this world and expect the Lord to help us.

Also with the scripture you brought up, lets not forget to make sure scripture interprets scripture...

Matthew 26:52
[52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

[Tithesmeister]

I do remember. I’m not sure your point?

Luke 22:36
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You’ll, have to explain your thoughts on what you believe this scripture is saying. Are you of the camp that says we need to have our guns ready to kill those that come against us. Guns bring a spirit upon a man if were not careful, they feel bigger and unstoppable with the gun by there side. I’m not against guns, like I said in a prior post, I’m a duck hunter, I enjoy hunting, but your not going to see me with a side arm walking around town, or with a gun in my pulpit either. People say Jesus is my protection, how can he be our protection if were already to take matters into our own hands. Like I said, I’m bringing another side to the argument, you can do what you feel to do. Yet, as the church we cannot do the “liberties” of this world and expect the Lord to help us.

Also with the scripture you brought up, lets not forget to make sure scripture interprets scripture...

Matthew 26:52
[52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

My point is that the sword was a weapon to defend yourself or for offense. Yet Jesus told them to buy one.

You said that we say God is our protector, but we also say that God is our provider. Yet, in spite of our saying this, I have heard of people that profess to be Christian, (allegedly pastors even) that will actually take a shotgun duck hunting! Imagine the hypocrisy!

They should just take a basket for God to put all the ducks in. Yet, their faith will fail them and they will resort to shooting the ducks that God is providing them just before they tumble into their arms.

Scandalous!!!

[Nicodemus1968]

And how did it turn out when Peter chopped off the guys ear?

He was rebuked by the Lord, to put his sword away. Funny no one is saying its wrong for you to use a sword, or even a gun. Yet, people get upset when you point out that they want to use it for “self-defense”, Jesus was so correct, when he said those who LIVE by the sword will die by it.

[diakonos]

My point is that the sword was a weapon to defend yourself or for offense. Yet Jesus told them to buy one.

You said that we say God is our protector, but we also say that God is our provider. Yet, in spite of our saying this, I have heard of people that profess to be Christian, (allegedly pastors even) that will actually take a shotgun duck hunting! Imagine the hypocrisy!

They should just take a basket for God to put all the ducks in. Yet, their faith will fail them and they will resort to shooting the ducks that God is providing them just before they tumble into their arms.

Scandalous!!!

Don’t work, don’t eat... -the Bible

[Tithesmeister]

:thumbsupDon’t work, don’t eat... -the Bible:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Esaias]

He was rebuked by the Lord, to put his sword away. Funny no one is saying its wrong for you to use a sword, or even a gun. Yet, people get upset when you point out that they want to use it for “self-defense”, Jesus was so correct, when he said those who LIVE by the sword will die by it.

Every professional soldier from time immemorial up to around Vietnam understood that truism, that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. It's a maxim, not a statement of Divine disapproval of keeping and bearing arms in general.

Jesus told Peter to holster his weapon, He did not tell him to get rid of it or keep it in the safe only to be used for cutting paper or hunting. The problem was Peter was trying to interfere with Christ's mission, which required Him to be arrested, tried in a kangaroo court, and executed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Every professional soldier from time immemorial up to around Vietnam understood that truism, that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. It's a maxim, not a statement of Divine disapproval of keeping and bearing arms in general.

Jesus told Peter to holster his weapon, He did not tell him to get rid of it or keep it in the safe only to be used for cutting paper or hunting. The problem was Peter was trying to interfere with Christ's mission, which required Him to be arrested, tried in a kangaroo court, and executed.

Donald J Trump?

[Esaias]

Donald J Trump?

He's silent as usual when it comes to important stuff.

I just started this thread to point out things are moving along rather quickly according to several layers of agendas that will wind up having an impact on folks. If a person thinks food all comes from WalMart they may find themselves in trouble not too long from now. History is like a broken tape deck that speeds up and slows down unexpectedly.

[Evang.Benincasa]

He's silent as usual when it comes to important stuff.

I just started this thread to point out things are moving along rather quickly according to several layers of agendas that will wind up having an impact on folks. If a person thinks food all comes from WalMart they may find themselves in trouble not too long from now. History is like a broken tape deck that speeds up and slows down unexpectedly.

These are just my thoughts. The whole impeachment is a distraction. The Democrats have no one running, which is by design. The impeachment is to make the POTUS look like the underdog. So all will think Trump is getting bullied.
Meanwhile Rome burns, and by the time anyone figures it all out the trap will be spring. Both sides make out and the rank and file lose. What that loss will look like I have no idea yet.

[Nicodemus1968]

These are just my thoughts. The whole impeachment is a distraction. The Democrats have no one running, which is by design. The impeachment is to make the POTUS look like the underdog. So all will think Trump is getting bullied.
Meanwhile Rome burns, and by the time anyone figures it all out the trap will be spring. Both sides make out and the rank and file lose. What that loss will look like I have no idea yet.

I never though of that. I can totally see why you say that. It sure is interesting unfolding America’s layers.

[Originalist]

Virginia is a former sovereign republic whose proximity to Sodom on the Potomac (Washington. DC) makes it an easy target for ongoing Yankee reconstruction. The only hope for Virginia is to cede at least three counties to the District of Columbia, thus eliminating their influence in REAL Virginia. I saw today militias are forming to defend gun rights. This is going to get interesting.

[Esaias]

I think over 75 counties out 95 have now passed Resolves against the actions of the governor and the tyrranists. At least one county has implemented a procedure for training the county militia. The governor and company have threatened to use the National Guard and to forecibly remove county officials and sheriffs who have supported these Resolves. There is now a movement in Texas, Colorado, and I think another state (can't remember) to do the same thing. Several Texas and Colorado counties have passed similar Resolves recently.

We live in interesting times.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I think over 75 counties out 95 have now passed Resolves against the actions of the governor and the tyrranists. At least one county has implemented a procedure for training the county militia. The governor and company have threatened to use the National Guard and to forecibly remove county officials and sheriffs who have supported these Resolves. There is now a movement in Texas, Colorado, and I think another state (can't remember) to do the same thing. Several Texas and Colorado counties have passed similar Resolves recently.

We live in interesting times.

FBI shot themselves in the foot. The president is crying that there is an attemptive take over. All bread and circuses, dog and pony show, smoke and mirrors. Something way deeper is about to go down. Yet, the church has decided to have Xmas chorus in front of the Dagon tree at the local mall.

[Esaias]

fbi shot themselves in the foot. The president is crying that there is an attemptive take over. All bread and circuses, dog and pony show, smoke and mirrors. Something way deeper is about to go down. Yet, the church has decided to have xmas chorus in front of the dagon tree at the local mall.

^ This.

[coksiw]

This is an interesting topic. Let's go beyond that "buy a sword" verse and bring some patterns from other verses.

I see John the Baptist not telling soldiers to stop killing. I see Peter not telling Cornelius to stop killing. I see Paul even using a legion of soldiers to protect himself from the Jews, and also using a soldier analogy in the spiritual world.
I see Paul also saying that soldiers carry a sword to bring justice and we must submit to their authority.

I also see none of the Apostles or Christians, during their ministry after Pentecost, taking swords with them as they spread the Gospel. In the Old Testament, except from one instance where Samuel used a sword, the prophets didn't use to carry and use swords.

The two instances where you see the phrase "he who kills by the sword will be killed by the sword", Matthew 26:52 and Rev 13:10, are in the context of persecution. I think what the phrase really means is that when persecution comes against the saints, those that try to stop it with the sword will perish by the sword. When persecution comes, the principle I see is to flee, instead of resisting it by the sword.

All of this makes me think that the point is that if it is your job and authority in society to stop evil and bring justice by the sword, then you should use it rightfully: soldiers, officers, guards, etc.... But when you are ministering the Gospel, and bringing the word of God to the people, you should not be armed and suffer persecution if it comes.

Am I missing some passages of the Bible that go against these principles?

BTW, the verse about buying a sword has to be put in context:

[Luk 22:36-37 NKJV] 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take [it], and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

It is like if having swords in the group was to be used as an evidence against them as preparing a revolt against the authorities.

[coksiw]

Virginia is a former sovereign republic whose proximity to Sodom on the Potomac (Washington. DC) makes it an easy target for ongoing Yankee reconstruction. The only hope for Virginia is to cede at least three counties to the District of Columbia, thus eliminating their influence in REAL Virginia. I saw today militias are forming to defend gun rights. This is going to get interesting.

I need to read the news more often. I didn’t know about this.

[Esaias]

This is an interesting topic. Let's go beyond that "buy a sword" verse and bring some patterns from other verses.

I see John the Baptist not telling soldiers to stop killing. I see Peter not telling Cornelius to stop killing. I see Paul even using a legion of soldiers to protect himself from the Jews, and also using a soldier analogy in the spiritual world.
I see Paul also saying that soldiers carry a sword to bring justice and we must submit to their authority.

I also see none of the Apostles or Christians, during their ministry after Pentecost, taking swords with them as they spread the Gospel. In the Old Testament, except from one instance where Samuel used a sword, the prophets didn't use to carry and use swords.

The two instances where you see the phrase "he who kills by the sword will be killed by the sword", Matthew 26:52 and Rev 13:10, are in the context of persecution. I think what the phrase really means is that when persecution comes against the saints, those that try to stop it with the sword will perish by the sword. When persecution comes, the principle I see is to flee, instead of resisting it by the sword.

All of this makes me think that the point is that if it is your job and authority in society to stop evil and bring justice by the sword, then you should use it rightfully: soldiers, officers, guards, etc.... But when you are ministering the Gospel, and bringing the word of God to the people, you should not be armed and suffer persecution if it comes.

Am I missing some passages of the Bible that go against these principles?

BTW, the verse about buying a sword has to be put in context:

[Luk 22:36-37 NKJV] 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take [it], and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

It is like if having swords in the group was to be used as an evidence against them as preparing a revolt against the authorities.

The civil law of these united States identifies the militia of the several states as all able-bodied males 18 and up (cut off differs by state, in Texas it is 65) who are not public officials or federal officers or non citizens. By law the militia is responsible for suppressing insurrection, repelling invasion, and upholding law and order (maintaining the peace). The militia laws were established because under the Originel Intent of the American War of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution, a professional "standing army" was anathema to freedom and liberty and suitable only for empire and tyranny. So, if Christians are to abide by the laws of the country where they live, then in America that means doing your duty as a member and supporter of the local militia and local Constitutionally elected government. And that means standing against unlawful usurpation of authority by anyone, including elected officials if they overstep their lawful powers.

As for Bible characters, Joshua is said to have the Spirit that was upon Moses, and he certainly carried a sword. Several of the judges did as well, and if I am not mistaken they functioned as prophets. Abraham was a prophet and had his own private militia which he used to wage war against several governments in the matter of Lot, and which resulted in his famous encounter with Melchizedek.

Jesus didn't tell His disciples to buy swords to create a false scenario of insurrection. That would be the job of the spooks and kooks we all know and love so well.

[coksiw]

The civil law of these united States identifies the militia of the several states as all able-bodied males 18 and up (cut off differs by state, in Texas it is 65) who are not public officials or federal officers or non citizens. By law the militia is responsible for suppressing insurrection, repelling invasion, and upholding law and order (maintaining the peace). The militia laws were established because under the Originel Intent of the American War of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution, a professional "standing army" was anathema to freedom and liberty and suitable only for empire and tyranny. So, if Christians are to abide by the laws of the country where they live, then in America that means doing your duty as a member and supporter of the local militia and local Constitutionally elected government. And that means standing against unlawful usurpation of authority by anyone, including elected officials if they overstep their lawful powers.

As for Bible characters, Joshua is said to have the Spirit that was upon Moses, and he certainly carried a sword. Several of the judges did as well, and if I am not mistaken they functioned as prophets. Abraham was a prophet and had his own private militia which he used to wage war against several governments in the matter of Lot, and which resulted in his famous encounter with Melchizedek.

Jesus didn't tell His disciples to buy swords to create a false scenario of insurrection. That would be the job of the spooks and kooks we all know and love so well.

What is your explanation of:

37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

Do you think the reason for the sword Jesus gives is because of the "For the things concerning Me have an end.", meaning, this is about to end and you must protect yourself for what it is coming?

I always associated the sword thing with the "And He was numbered with the transgressors", but I'm curious to hear another possible interpretation.

Also, do you recall a specific prophet working as a messenger of the word of God carrying a sword? Abraham was a prophet but I don't recall him being sent by God to speak his word to people. The same for the judges. I guess it depends on the kind of mission you are sent to.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What is your explanation of:

37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

Do you think the reason for the sword Jesus gives is because of the "For the things concerning Me have an end.", meaning, this is about to end and you must protect yourself for what it is coming?

I always associated the sword thing with the "And He was numbered with the transgressors", but I'm curious to hear another possible interpretation.

Also, do you recall a specific prophet working as a messenger of the word of God carrying a sword? Abraham was a prophet but I don't recall him being sent by God to speak his word to people. The same for the judges. I guess it depends on the kind of mission you are sent to.

Genesis 14:14 Abraham went to battle to rescue Lot.

[Esaias]

What is your explanation of:

37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

Do you think the reason for the sword Jesus gives is because of the "For the things concerning Me have an end.", meaning, this is about to end and you must protect yourself for what it is coming?

I always associated the sword thing with the "And He was numbered with the transgressors", but I'm curious to hear another possible interpretation.

Also, do you recall a specific prophet working as a messenger of the word of God carrying a sword? Abraham was a prophet but I don't recall him being sent by God to speak his word to people. The same for the judges. I guess it depends on the kind of mission you are sent to.

He was prophesied to be (falsely accused of being) considered a transgressor. His disciples therefore would likely be (falsely) accused likewise. So it sounds to me like He was telling them "provide a basic means of defense lest you wind up all getting lynched." The things written concerning Him (His arrest, death, etc) had an end, a goal, a final predetermined outcome, which included His resurrection victory. If all His disciples were lynched along with Him, where would we all be now?

Peter attempted to interfere with Christ's arrest, but that was contrary to The Plan. This also threatened to result in the immediate death of not only Peter, but everyone else there as well. So he was told to put his sword up. Put it up, not get rid of it.

The new testament scriptures are not the entirety of the Word of God. So we should not expect EVERYTHING pertaining to righteousness, correction, reproof, and instruction that the man of God may be perfect, to be limited to the new testament writings only. And the old testament contains lessons (for our learning and admonition) that identify disarmament as a sign of conquest and - in the case of God's people - a sign of Divine judgment against sin.

[Esaias]

What is your explanation of:

37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

Do you think the reason for the sword Jesus gives is because of the "For the things concerning Me have an end.", meaning, this is about to end and you must protect yourself for what it is coming?

I always associated the sword thing with the "And He was numbered with the transgressors", but I'm curious to hear another possible interpretation.

Also, do you recall a specific prophet working as a messenger of the word of God carrying a sword? Abraham was a prophet but I don't recall him being sent by God to speak his word to people. The same for the judges. I guess it depends on the kind of mission you are sent to.

A prophet is, iin the most general sense, anyone sent by God on a missiin. More particularly, a prophet is someone who prophesies. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are called prophets because they had communications with God and were His representatives in this earth.

So where does that place Gideon?

Or Othniel?

And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
Judges:3:9

And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.
Judges:3:10

What about Ehud? Shamgar?

And let's not forget David, a man after God's own heart, prototype of the Messiah, who prophesied a huge chunk of the Psalms, who was given revelation (like Moses was) concerning the Temple and the updated Levitical worship to go along with it, who under Divine inspiration said this:

Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
Psalm:144:1

My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me.
Psalm:144:2

And this:

It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.
Psalm:18:32

He maketh my feet like hinds' feet, and setteth me upon my high places.
Psalm:18:33

He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.
Psalm:18:34

Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Psalm:18:35

Thou hast enlarged my steps under me, that my feet did not slip.
Psalm:18:36

I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.
Psalm:18:37

I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.
Psalm:18:38

For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.
Psalm:18:39

Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.
Psalm:18:40

They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.
Psalm:18:41

Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.
Psalm:18:42

Now, David was not allowed to build the Temple, in part because of his military activities. The builder of the temple would be his son, Solomon. But there are a lot deeper significances to all that than merely "swords bad, disarmament good." :thumbsup

[coksiw]

Esaias,

I definitely believe that the whole Scripture is the Word of God, inspired, and useful to training in righteousness. However, the NT superceeds the OT, in the sense that the new covenant is greater and the mission is not only different but also greater and with a different dimension.

The people of God during the Law was an actual nation, with borders, and everything that comes with it. The church of God is a spiritual nation spread through out many nations. The nation of Israel was founded, established, and constituted by God himself through Moses. A nation with borders needed to fight against flesh and blood. We are not that Israel, we can't compare USA to them. We are the Church of God inside this nation of USA. The Lord is not going to anoint anyone of us with the same anointing He gave David to fight. He might protect us while we do our duties as law enforcers, but we are not anointed for that job as David and the Judges were. The gifts of the Spirit does not include fighting against flesh and blood. We are filled by the Holy Spirit to walk right and to minister to other for salvation and edification.

I don't see examples in the NT of followers of Jesus organizing themselves to fight and resist persecution. Two swords were not enough for 12 disciples. I recognize that the argument I presented earlier that the OT prophets didn't carry sword was kind of week. I was thinking of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Elijah, Elisha, etc...

Would you fight against persecution with guns? For example, terrorist attacks against congregations, like mass shootings? That's something that it is becoming common.

I recognize also that defending against crime is another reason to have guns. The NT doesn't present example of Christians defending themselves against crime, or clear teachings about doing it. We do have some verses about authorized people to stop evil, but nothing about Christians doing it themselves. We do also have verses about not resisting evil in the Gospel and in the Epistle of James with a variety of interpretations to it.

I go back to my original idea that an organized societal effort to bring justice and peace, where Christians are also involved, is a good thing; and law enforcement will be part of the jobs. Other than that, we are not called to be a physical nation on our own, but to just live inside a nation, under its own laws.

[Ehud]

...

We do also have verses about not resisting evil in the Gospel and in the Epistle of James with a variety of interpretations to it.

...

May I ask what passage in James you are referring to? I did a quick search, but failed to find anything. I readily admit my search skills are not the greatest. Ha!

[coksiw]

May I ask what passage in James you are referring to? I did a quick search, but failed to find anything. I readily admit my search skills are not the greatest. Ha!

Jas 5:6 - Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you

[Ehud]

Jas 5:6 - Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you

Thank you!

[Esaias]

Every man to his tent, I guess? When they came for A, B, and C I did nothing, and when they came for me I got in the boxcar cause it was my duty?

Is that where we're at nowadays? My how things have changed.

[coksiw]

Every man to his tent, I guess? When they came for A, B, and C I did nothing, and when they came for me I got in the boxcar cause it was my duty?

Is that where we're at nowadays? My how things have changed.

It is a complicated topic brother. Taking somebody's life it is a serious subject. We better get it right with God because in a fight, if you are the one dying, it would be sad if you end up in hell for committing the last sin of your life.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Every man to his tent, I guess? When they came for A, B, and C I did nothing, and when they came for me I got in the boxcar cause it was my duty?

Is that where we're at nowadays? My how things have changed.

Exactly where we are at. Pretty sad, is it not?

[Esaias]

It is a complicated topic brother. Taking somebody's life it is a serious subject. We better get it right with God because in a fight, if you are the one dying, it would be sad if you end up in hell for committing the last sin of your life.

Better have all that worked out now than try to figure it out waiting in the queue for the boxcar ride.

[Esaias]

Exactly where we are at. Pretty sad, is it not?

I would hope families and church families are at least thinking and talking about how to operate in the upcoming New Normal. We're all gonna need each other to step up and man up and church up.

[Nicodemus1968]

It is a complicated topic brother. Taking somebody's life it is a serious subject. We better get it right with God because in a fight, if you are the one dying, it would be sad if you end up in hell for committing the last sin of your life.

The real question I think your trying to reach is; Is there a difference between killing and self defense?
From mans point of view there may be no difference, our emotions will allow us to believe we used self defense because... you fill in the blank. Yet, what does God think? Does he see self defense as the same as killing someone, think about it? The law was our school master that brought us to Christ, Paul told Romans I did not know what sin unless the law showed me. In the law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, it showed by nature we want revenge. It showed us the physical nature of war, how they destroyed the enemy by blood. Yet, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy it because it was the mind of God. Now, we understand Jesus told Pilate my kingdom is not of this world, Paul told the Roman church the kingdom of God is not meat, and drink but yet it’s peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. It’s not what you can see with your physical eye, but it’s what you can see in the spiritual. Your enemy is not the government that may one day take your guns, no sir the Bible says we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood but AGAINST spirits... there maybe none in this forum yet I know ministers and saints alike, that say “we need to arm ourselves against those that want to take away our 2nd amendment”, the Bible says “fear hath torment”, are you going to live in this place of “what if our church gets shot up?” A spirit will take advantage of that and next thing you know your arming yourself to defend. These people that shoot up churches, shopping centers, they’re driven by a spirit, you don’t fight a spirit with guns, you take authority over that spirit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The real question I think your trying to reach is; Is there a difference between killing and self defense?
From mans point of view there may be no difference, our emotions will allow us to believe we used self defense because... you fill in the blank. Yet, what does God think? Does he see self defense as the same as killing someone, think about it? The law was our school master that brought us to Christ, Paul told Romans I did not know what sin unless the law showed me. In the law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, it showed by nature we want revenge. It showed us the physical nature of war, how they destroyed the enemy by blood. Yet, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to destroy it because it was the mind of God. Now, we understand Jesus told Pilate my kingdom is not of this world, Paul told the Roman church the kingdom of God is not meat, and drink but yet it’s peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. It’s not what you can see with your physical eye, but it’s what you can see in the spiritual. Your enemy is not the government that may one day take your guns, no sir the Bible says we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood but AGAINST spirits... there maybe none in this forum yet I know ministers and saints alike, that say “we need to arm ourselves against those that want to take away our 2nd amendment”, the Bible says “fear hath torment”, are you going to live in this place of “what if our church gets shot up?” A spirit will take advantage of that and next thing you know your arming yourself to defend. These people that shoot up churches, shopping centers, they’re driven by a spirit, you don’t fight a spirit with guns, you take authority over that spirit.

Brother Juan Carlos Marulanda's abuelita told me a story years ago about her and another church sister. it was back in the 50s when the Apostolic message was first being preached in Colombia. They were crossing a farmers field and the farmer let loose his young bulls to mow down the two sisters. As the bulls were running up the the one sister held up her Bible and shouted Jesus!!!! All the bulls stopped. Sister Mariella in our church family was shot point blank in the chest during a robbery. Before the boy fired the gun she shouted JESUS loves you. You see when the soldiers came to Jesus they asked Him what they should do? Jesus didn't tell them to put away their swords, and do violence to no man. Doing violence to no man, didn't mean that Jesus wanted them to not do their job. Which their job primary point was to fight. Jesus was telling them not to use their position to extort money from people by roughing them up. Threatening to kill them if they didn't meet their demands Luke 3:14. They way soiliders made their money in ancient times was to get plunder through pillage. Abraham plundered his enemies and gave the tithing of the loot gained to Melchizedek. Yet, Jesus isn't just speaking of plunder, but of violent leg breaking extortion. Jesus NEVER tells them to put away their weapons and quit being soldiers. We know this because He stresses that they should be satisfied with their low pay from the army.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I would hope families and church families are at least thinking and talking about how to operate in the upcoming New Normal.

We can only hope and pray. People basically are all caught up in the culture. They work long hours, and go paycheck to paycheck. Everyone is super busy, and therefore live on excuses. Those excuses will drive them all the way to the boxcar. People marched onto those boxcars willingly. How many soldiers to citizens were there? Men get desperate when they see their families getting pushed around by some lackey with a rifle. They may get themselves shot, but they will do what they have to do. Prayer, well most of the religious are praying "lay me down to sleep prayers." getting tossed into a boxcar would be a blessing, a hard way to go. But, if a boxcar, and concentration camp doesn't get a righteous prayer life, nothing will. The impeachment reality show proved that everyone are pretty much willing participants. Ready to believe whatever garbage gets piped through the YouTubes. Bread and Circuses are the call of the day. In two days is the Catholic Mass and the masses will be clicking their ruby red slippers together chanting "there's no place like Rome, there's no place like Rome!" Good King Wenceslas is leading everyone to celebrate the Feast of Stephen December 26. People are actually taking the week off for Xmas? How do you fight the devil with that kind of baloney? Boxcars and a little bit of mayhem? I guess we just have to wait and see how the folks deal with it. Because right now they will skip the boxcar and walk straight into the concentration camp. Oh, there will be a few who will resist (you and me) but sadly the rest of the crew will be smoking mistletoe and snorting eggnog all the way to detention center.



We're all gonna need each other to step up and man up and church up.

Yep that is the honest truth.

But, it will be only a very small group.

Very small. If history teaches us anything, it points out the resistant few are the first ones to catch a bullet in the back of the head. As the situation starts to roll on there will be others who will get a revelation that they're no longer in Kansas anymore. They will hide among the rest of the huddle masses to survive and help others. But, that is what it usually takes to place a burning coal in some breeches. Ease in Zion, makes for BIG GOLDEN ANGEL statues on platforms. Starving preachers sucking on their wallets, usually makes for good ecclesiastical smelling salt under a sleeping nose.

[diakonos]

Now I want egg nog

[Nicodemus1968]

Now I want egg nog

:happydance You like that stuff?

[Amanah]

I listened to this message by Terry Shock last night.

He preaches that we need to pattern ourselves after Jesus, not each other.
He also talks about us needing to make our homes the center of our Christian life because we may not always have churches, tax exemptions, ect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSuwqapgkE

[coksiw]

I listened to this message by Terry Shock last night.

He preaches that we need to pattern ourselves after Jesus, not each other.
He also talks about us needing to make our homes the center of our Christian life because we may not always have churches, tax exemptions, ect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSuwqapgkE

Thanks for sharing, awesome teaching.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Things are getting real interesting in ole Virginny.

Watch close all the Kabuki.

You see, we are so much a drama culture with comic book views on life. That we are smoking so much mistletoe. So that not a shot will be fired. No, the Barbarians are not at the gate, they are running the show.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHd9PuiEHY&ab_channel=LibertyFellowshipMT

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo3_ie_Cr94&ab_channel=MrgunsngearBChannel

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.mediamatters.org/fake-news/white-nationalist-created-hoax-about-gun-confiscation-leading-calls-violence

[Evang.Benincasa]

The internet has taken the place of Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus. :heeheehee

[Esaias]

Don't forget what's happening in your front yard because you are too busy watching "world events" on the telescreen...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don't forget what's happening in your front yard because you are too busy watching "world events" on the telescreen...

We are having sewer brakes in downtown, homosexual mayor is in trouble over that. Crime around the neighborhood has helicopters busy during the night. There was some of the future hope of America vandalize the neighbor's car, and someone was mugged down the block. Other than that all is well. :)

[Nicodemus1968]

We are having sewer brakes in downtown, homosexual mayor is in trouble over that. Crime around the neighborhood has helicopters busy during the night. There was some of the future hope of America vandalize the neighbor's car, and someone was mugged down the block. Other than that all is well. :)

Farmer Bob had his prized bull rustled in the night by some hooligans. :heeheehee

[Esaias]

Farmer Bob had his prized bull rustled in the night by some hooligans. :heeheehee

Out here the neighbors will help you get your cattle back in your pasture or at least let you know if they are loose.

:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

Farmer Bob had his prized bull rustled in the night by some hooligans. :heeheehee

Around here they will eat Farmer Bob, his prized bull, and the blokes who rustled it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yet, all is quiet in Virginia. :)

[Esaias]

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen-Shot-2019-12-30-at-2.23.27-PM-768x567.jpg

[Nicodemus1968]

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Screen-Shot-2019-12-30-at-2.23.27-PM-768x567.jpg

That’s surprising.

[Evang.Benincasa]

That’s surprising.

I can see I’m in trouble.

[Esaias]

Governor declares state of emergency, bans 2nd amendment.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeWatson_VA/status/1217319638599684096

Mike Watson_Virginia
@MikeWatson_VA
Perhaps he should take a look at VA Code first: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB20

Del. Tony Wilt & I patroned this bill in 2012 so that no one could declare an emergency in an effort to prohibit citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Signed into law 3/1/2012
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Daily Press
@Daily_Press
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Virginia Gov. Northam to ban guns from Capitol grounds, officials say https://dailypress.com/government/virginia/vp-nw-virginia-weapon-ban-20200115-5n7ncb6ghjglrgdsq2z75oglau-story.html

[Evang.Benincasa]

Governor declares state of emergency, bans 2nd amendment.

Where do they go from here?

[Esaias]

Where do they go from here?

Interesting times we live in.

[Nicodemus1968]

Interesting times we live in.

Do you happen to know if the sheriff deputized the citizens?

[Esaias]

Do you happen to know if the sheriff deputized the citizens?

That I do not know. Sorry.

[diakonos]

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/politics/virginia-second-amendment-sanctuary-cities/65-885b5e9c-0454-4f6c-8bee-7c6785e0af08



The new gun safety proposals include universal background checks, re-instating a one gun per month law and a red flag law aimed at reducing the risk of someone in crisis hurting themselves or others.

This is what’s causing the commotion?

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/politics/virginia-second-amendment-sanctuary-cities/65-885b5e9c-0454-4f6c-8bee-7c6785e0af08

This is what’s causing the commotion?

The red flag law is not very clear.

[Esaias]

https://legiscan.com/WV/text/HB4168/2020

West Virginia is now moving to nullify ALL FIREARMS LAWS, past, present, and future..

[n david]

There's supposed to be a march on the Capitol in Richmond Jan 20th.

This appeared Jan 14th ...

"""WARRENTON – SEEKING ACTORS FOR ONGOING LIVE ROLEPLAYING PROJECT – CURRENT – PAID
NOTE: This is a casting for an actual roleplaying project for professional actors–not crisis actors for a false flag operation. Project takes place in the Warrenton area (more than 2 hours north of Richmond, VA).

“Hostile Environment Awareness Training (HEAT)”

Location: WARRENTON, VA

Rate: $250/day ($200 plus $50 for travel). Additional travel/lodging not provided.

Description: HEAT courses are designed to prepare NGO staff for operating in challenging international environments through in-person simulations. Actors take on varying roles (terrorist, IED victim, hostage, rescue team) throughout each workshop. The work can be intense (both physically and mentally) but also very rewarding."""

https://www.film.virginia.org/hotline/post/amissville-seeking-actors-for-ongoing-live-roleplaying-project-current-paid/

[n david]

https://legiscan.com/WV/text/HB4168/2020

West Virginia is now moving to nullify ALL FIREARMS LAWS, past, present, and future..

Had to read that twice ... at first I missed the LAWS and just read it as they were moving to take away all firearms!

[n david]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOc8j92X4AIk-6w?format=jpg&name=medium

Twitter post claims this is in VA.

Gov Blackface has declared a state of emergency due to the upcoming gun rights march.

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/01/15/ap-exclusive-northam-ban-guns-capitol-grounds/

Only one way into Capitol Square and anyone going to the grounds of the Capitol will have to pass through a metal detector.

"""More than 100 counties, cities and towns have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries and vowed to oppose any new “unconstitutional restrictions” on guns."""

[Evang.Benincasa]

There's supposed to be a march on the Capitol in Richmond Jan 20th.

This appeared Jan 14th ...

"""WARRENTON – SEEKING ACTORS FOR ONGOING LIVE ROLEPLAYING PROJECT – CURRENT – PAID
NOTE: This is a casting for an actual roleplaying project for professional actors–not crisis actors for a false flag operation. Project takes place in the Warrenton area (more than 2 hours north of Richmond, VA).

“Hostile Environment Awareness Training (HEAT)”

Location: WARRENTON, VA

Rate: $250/day ($200 plus $50 for travel). Additional travel/lodging not provided.

Description: HEAT courses are designed to prepare NGO staff for operating in challenging international environments through in-person simulations. Actors take on varying roles (terrorist, IED victim, hostage, rescue team) throughout each workshop. The work can be intense (both physically and mentally) but also very rewarding."""

https://www.film.virginia.org/hotline/post/amissville-seeking-actors-for-ongoing-live-roleplaying-project-current-paid/

https://airtable.com/shrXYoIm1AEXPoH7k :happydance

[n david]

Pro gun groups have filed emergency appeal to overturn Gov Blackface's total weapon ban for the march on Jan 20th.

"""A pair of gun rights groups on Friday filed an emergency appeal of a judge's ruling that upheld the governor of Virginia's ban on firearms at a pro-gun rally scheduled at the state's Capitol on Monday, The Associated Press reports.

The emergency appeal from Virginia Citizens Defense League and Gun Owners of America came after Richmond Circuit Judge Joi Taylor rejected the initial injunction filed by the groups.

In their appeal, the groups argue: “Without relief from this court, petitioners and thousands of other rally participants will be irreparably denied their right to bear arms."""

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/478733-gun-rights-group-files-emergency-appeal-on-weapons-ban-at-virginia-rally

[n david]

https://airtable.com/shrXYoIm1AEXPoH7k :happydance

$250 a day!

[Evang.Benincasa]

$250 a day!

People close to the event will do pretty good.

[Esaias]

Apparently the original ad was for "crisis actors" but it went viral on several sites, then the ad was edited to say not for Richmond and not for crisis actors lol.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Apparently the original ad was for "crisis actors" but it went viral on several sites, then the ad was edited to say not for Richmond and not for crisis actors lol.

We are living in interesting times. :nod

[Esaias]

Also, a local Antifa group has announced they are attending, IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT and in protest against the governor/legislature.

EDIT: Antifa reportedly now saying they aren't attending.

Lot's of people expect a potential start of the Big Igloo in Richmond. Maybe the antifa group saw the writing on the wall?

[Esaias]

We are living in interesting times. :nod

The Chinese proverb makes that a bit of a curse. :)

[Esaias]

Also, a local Antifa group has announced they are attending, IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT and in protest against the governor/legislature.

EDIT: Antifa reportedly now saying they aren't attending.

Lot's of people expect a potential start of the Big Igloo in Richmond. Maybe the antifa group saw the writing on the wall?

No, antifa WILL be attending. Most are skeptical of their claimed new-found solidarity with deplorables.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Chinese proverb makes that a bit of a curse. :)

I brought this up in the other thread. But the condition of some these days, secular and Christian may add to the problem. How many men have never picked up a gun? How many men never got into a physical fight or ever had to defend themselves? Not saying that the church has to become paramilitary. How many men were raised to "men" things? Chop a cord of wood? How about some kindling. Drive a nail straight? Paint a wall? Change oil on the lawn mower. I know that there are great guys who can do none of the above, and yet they are men, very much men. Because they were raised as men, by men. Godly men, teaching them about the things godly manly men did in the Bible.
We are heading to a place, where it may be pretty easy to get "some" men to climb onto a cattle box car. I hope I'm very wrong.

[Esaias]

In a sense, everything is on the line in this event:

If the 2nd Amendment protestors stay in the fenced "free speech area" and do nothing but flap jaws, then the claim the 2nd Amendment can be used to fight tyranny will be pretty much dead in the water.

If Antifa arrives and doesn't support the 2nd Ammend protests, any claim they make going forward that they support the working class is dead in the water.

If things get sporty and the NRA denounces it, they are dead in the water as obvious anti 2nd Amendment shills.

If things get sporty and the dems back off, or if some democrat politicians retire from politics violently and all sudden-like, the anti 2nd amendment program is dead in the water.

The second and third-plus level effects of this event are pretty significant. This is Bundy ranch 2.0 times 10000, kind of off the charts.

Who will blink first?

[Esaias]

We are heading to a place, where it may be pretty easy to get "some" men to climb onto a cattle box car. I hope I'm very wrong.

They will even wear their plaid flannel shirts and beards and some will proudly sport MAGA hats, unfortunately.

Too many males these days haven't had the benefit of raising cattle, horses, dogs, or something similar. Helps generate a different perspective on things.

[Evang.Benincasa]

They will even wear their plaid flannel shirts and beards and some will proudly sport MAGA hats, unfortunately.

Too many males these days haven't had the benefit of raising cattle, horses, dogs, or something similar. Helps generate a different perspective on things.

Yeah, it is crazy, how the big push is to make men not only more like women. But beyond!

[Nicodemus1968]

They will even wear their plaid flannel shirts and beards and some will proudly sport MAGA hats, unfortunately.

Too many males these days haven't had the benefit of raising cattle, horses, dogs, or something similar. Helps generate a different perspective on things.

It sure does. Totally agree:thumbsup

[n david]

Lot of pro 2A on Twitter saying they won't go after seeing the plans for the capital grounds. One entrance. Everyone contained in a tight square area. State Police bringing their armored bobcat thing. I'd stay away from the area.

[votivesoul]

Lot of pro 2A on Twitter saying they won't go after seeing the plans for the capital grounds. One entrance. Everyone contained in a tight square area. State Police bringing their armored bobcat thing. I'd stay away from the area.

Sounds like a killzone.

[Esaias]

Sounds like a killzone.

And what does that tell us about the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave?

[votivesoul]

And what does that tell us about the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave?

That all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

[Esaias]

That all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Bingo.

Lee Greenwood was not available for comment.

[Amanah]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/us/virginia-guns-trump.html

[n david]

Sounds like a killzone.
From the NYT article...

"""On Saturday, the area around the State Capitol was enclosed by a temporary chain-link fence, barricades and patrolled by groups of law enforcement officers."""

[Esaias]

US Navy conducting exercise on east coast testing GPS jamming, east coast GPS receivers expected to fail through the 24th.

Also, FBI has just declared all high end night vision property of US government via eminent domain. They are being seized from distributers RIGHT NOW, if you don't already have one you ain't getting one.

Also, FLIR just ended all sales to civilians/non governmental persons.

Imagine that, what a coinkydink.

[Esaias]

Edit: the night vision seizure appears to be a rumour but a company that sells NV has reportedly stated they just lost a shipment due to the seizure???? Disinfo everywhere...

[Evang.Benincasa]

US Navy conducting exercise on east coast testing GPS jamming, east coast GPS receivers expected to fail through the 24th.

Also, FBI has just declared all high end night vision property of US government via eminent domain. They are being seized from distributers RIGHT NOW, if you don't already have one you ain't getting one.

Also, FLIR just ended all sales to civilians/non governmental persons.

Imagine that, what a coinkydink.

What about FLIR for mechanical, electrical, and gas/oil contractors?

https://www.flir.com/applications/industrial/

[Evang.Benincasa]

Edit: the night vision seizure appears to be a rumour but a company that sells NV has reportedly stated they just lost a shipment due to the seizure???? Disinfo everywhere...

I didn't see this post. :)

[Esaias]

Edit: the night vision seizure appears to be a rumour but a company that sells NV has reportedly stated they just lost a shipment due to the seizure???? Disinfo everywhere...

I'm hearing reports that SEVERAL distributors have had their contracts cancelled due to this issue, it appears to be (to me) becoming less rumour and more probably correct.

If this is happening, it does not bode well AT ALL.

As for FLIR, I havent found more data but I'm not surprised. Notice, this is FLIR the company, not all thermal imagers (as brother Benincasa mentioned thermal is used A LOT in industry, not just hog hunting etc).

[coksiw]

As the rally goes, and I look into the News media for information, I see a lot of information manipulation.

Example:

- "people coming to the rally across the nation": not all news outlets have said that, in fact, because most of the people are from the county. They just want to give the impression that the multitude is large because of a national concentration, not a county event.

- Pictures and videos of only middle-aged white males. Again to give a false impression of racism. If you watch the videos of people walking to join the march in twitter from regular folks, you see women, black and white, and also black men, and even a small group of gays, for that matter. This nation majority is white, so I would expect them to be the majority in the event. Middle age? maybe people with families are the most interested in keeping their weapons? Mainly males? maybe because males are the ones that feel the duty to protect their families the most? It is just common sense.

The supposedly planned attack and arrests seem fabricated to justify the moves of the gov to declare a state of emergency. It may be true, but still hard to really trust it.

Wow.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

https://media.giphy.com/media/IbZjrzXZGJWTXlepdu/giphy.gif

First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[n david]

Thankfully it was a peaceful event. I read several updates and watched a few clips of the news stating that there wasn't a single arrest made and no violence. There were thousands who gathered in the square and all around the adjoining streets. I saw clips of several "militia" groups walking the streets with their guns. A couple dudes had .50 cal sniper rifles. I couldn't imagine either firing one. :toofunny Links below because the photos are way too big to add here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvnpU-X4AAMKQF?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOvQI1_WAAYV9dS?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Esaias]

Estimated 25,000-30,000 showed up.

The politicians soldiered on anyway.

Lee Greenwood is so proud.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/01/20/us/20VIRGINIA-GUN-RALLY-promo/20VIRGINIA-GUN-RALLY-promo-jumbo-v2.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

[n david]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/01/20/us/20virginia-gun-rally-promo/20virginia-gun-rally-promo-jumbo-v2.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

https://i.imgur.com/rBy7Xnl.jpg

[n david]

So after the march on the Capitol, the VA leg and Governor Blackface not only passed more gun laws anyway, but one of the VA legislators submitted a bill which would criminalize criticism of VA public officials.

""“If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor,” the legislation reads.""

""The legislation makes it clear that the above provision applies directly to “the Governor, Governor-elect, Lieutenant Governor, Lieutenant Governor-elect, Attorney General, or Attorney General-elect, a member or employee of the General Assembly, a justice of the Supreme Court of Virginia, or a judge of the Court of Appeals of Virginia,” which means this legislation effectively criminalizes dissent against public officials.""

Obviously this is anti-1A and if this passes, some court will overturn it as unconstitutional. Just shows how crazy the Dems are right now and how they want to silence any dissent or criticism.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Did they take everyone's guns away?

[jfrog]

Did they take everyone's guns away?

Not yet. They are going for death by 1,000 cuts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Not yet. They are going for death by 1,000 cuts.

Boy oh boy, all this fall of America as we know it stuff sure takes a lot of time.