Coronavirus contains HIV genes

[Esaias]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Abstract

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.

[Esaias]

China using AIDS treatment drugs for coronavirus:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-china-using-hiv-drugs-in-treatment-plan-for-patients

BEIJING (BLOOMBERG) - China is using AbbVie Inc's HIV drugs as an ad-hoc treatment for pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus while the global search for a cure continues.

[Esaias]

Coronavirus targets Asian males:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

Abstract

A novel coronavirus (2019-nCov) was identified in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China in December of 2019. This new coronavirus has resulted in thousands of cases of lethal disease in China, with additional patients being identified in a rapidly growing number internationally. 2019-nCov was reported to share the same receptor, Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), with SARS-Cov. Here based on the public database and the state-of-the-art single-cell RNA-Seq technique, we analyzed the ACE2 RNA expression profile in the normal human lungs. The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung. This study provides a biological background for the epidemic investigation of the 2019-nCov infection disease, and could be informative for future anti-ACE2 therapeutic strategy development.

[Esaias]

A Turk predicted a biological event in China prior to coronavirus outbreak?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmirYildizdan/status/1138545686100815873

(Translated as:

"America sent a plane full of biological weapons to China. Epidemics may begin in China soon.

And let them not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.")

Turkish altmedia: https://www.onaltiyildiz.com/?haber,%207658/cin-deki-coronavirusunu-ilk-kez-biz-duyurmustuk

(Translated as:

"January 27, 2020 12:28 tsi

We first announced coronavirus in China on June 11 2019

"Coronavirus, which has been spread to many countries from Wuhan, China, is on the world agenda.

We announced months ago where and by whom this outbreak would be done.

On June 11, 2019, we warned on Twitter that the outbreak in China was necessary. This information was known at the time, of course, and we were hesitant about whether to explain it. Then we decided to explain!

Coronavirus was built as a biological weapon and flown to China by the United States. Everything is known to the plane's tail number.

It's not right to write everything.

It's already written if necessary.

As we said there,

"Let them not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope."

Those who know know, I assure you!

The hope of earth and space is THE TURK!")

[Esaias]

Per billionaire Bill Gates, vaccines to be used for reducing the population (ie killing off undesirable people groups):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMl0ty6evhU&time_continue=2&feature=emb_logo

[Esaias]

Coronavirus is basically the common cold:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=corona+virus+common+cold&t=h_&ia=web

[Esaias]

2015 patented form of coronavirus:

https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

Coronavirus
Jul 23, 2015 - THE PIRBRIGHT INSTITUTE

The present invention provides a live, attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene encoding polyproteins comprising a mutation in one or more of non-structural protein(s) (nsp)-10, nsp-14, nsp-15 or nsp-16. The coronavirus may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject.

[Esaias]

So, here's a theory:

Common cold virus is genetically modified as tailor-made race specific bioweapon designed to kill Chinese/Asian males. Get's released in Wuhan, China (site of a level-4 Chinese bioweapons research lab) but does not quite perform as expected. It was designed to damage Chinese military capability including by crashing their economy due to export failures and quarantines etc. Chinese response inbound.

[votivesoul]

So, here's a theory:

Common cold virus is genetically modified as tailor-made race specific bioweapon designed to kill Chinese/Asian males. Get's released in Wuhan, China (site of a level-4 Chinese bioweapons research lab) but does not quite perform as expected. It was designed to damage Chinese military capability including by crashing their economy due to export failures and quarantines etc. Chinese response inbound.

My original hypothesis was that China was moving forward with a New Cultural Revolution through biological warfare, trapping masses of its (Christian???) citizenry in quarantines while the disease does all of the slaughtering off of the undesirables.

Send it around the world so no one looks too closely at the Mainland or how many millions end up dead because they are too busy keeping watch over their own shores.

[Esaias]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Abstract

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.

The article has been "withdrawn". Hmmm...

[n david]

I read China engineered it for an assassination attempt against the POTUS. Something went badly wrong and an outbreak occured there.

[aegsm76]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Abstract

We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.

E - comments on this article are very interesting. Some appear to debunk the original article.

[coksiw]

Biological weapons are the new nuclear weapons.

This is still appropriate: I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.

[Esaias]

E - comments on this article are very interesting. Some appear to debunk the original article.

Yes, I'm aware of the controversy surrounding the findings. But when all the surrounding events are put together, it clearly indicates something artificial is going on, on several levels.

[Esaias]

2010 paper on bat coronavirus including experimental use of HIV as a method of increasing infectibility:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6

[Esaias]

It looks, walks, acts, and quacks like an engineered bioweapon. The mortality rate is low (this virus is far less deadly that the common flu) but this low mortality rate seems to be due to early mutation of the virus.

Problem: what if it mutates again back to it's likely intended far more lethal form?

The Chinese response to this virus seems utterly disproportional to the reported actual effects. Meaning? The Chinese government are fully aware what this thing is and was meant to be, and are treating it for what it is: an underperforming but potentially catastrophic race-specific bioweapon targeting Asian males using a highly contagious common cold base (coronavirus) spliced with HIV derived properties of unknown long term possibly immune-system destroying effects.

As soon as they believe they know whodunit, the pupu platter is gonna be served up piping hot and fresh off the assembly line...

[aegsm76]

It looks, walks, acts, and quacks like an engineered bioweapon. The mortality rate is low (this virus is far less deadly that the common flu) but this low mortality rate seems to be due to early mutation of the virus.

Problem: what if it mutates again back to it's likely intended far more lethal form?

The Chinese response to this virus seems utterly disproportional to the reported actual effects. Meaning? The Chinese government are fully aware what this thing is and was meant to be, and are treating it for what it is: an underperforming but potentially catastrophic race-specific bioweapon targeting Asian males using a highly contagious common cold base (coronavirus) spliced with HIV derived properties of unknown long term possibly immune-system destroying effects.

As soon as they believe they know whodunit, the pupu platter is gonna be served up piping hot and fresh off the assembly line...

E - I do not have time to fully research this today, but I am curious as to your mortality comment. From what I remember reading, last week, the mortality rate of this virus was 2.7%, which put it at the Spanish Flu level.
The common flu is about 0.1% I believe.

[Evang.Benincasa]

E - I do not have time to fully research this today, but I am curious as to your mortality comment. From what I remember reading, last week, the mortality rate of this virus was 2.7%, which put it at the Spanish Flu level.
The common flu is about 0.1% I believe.

I feel better :)

[n david]

Someone here in AZ at ASU was diagnosed with it last week.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3lopzUAc6yVq0/giphy.gif

No, not really.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Someone here in AZ at ASU was diagnosed with it last week.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3lopzUAc6yVq0/giphy.gif

No, not really.

:heeheehee

[Esaias]

E - I do not have time to fully research this today, but I am curious as to your mortality comment. From what I remember reading, last week, the mortality rate of this virus was 2.7%, which put it at the Spanish Flu level.
The common flu is about 0.1% I believe.

I was reading some 25,000 people died from the flu last year. That's an average of about 2100 per month. How many have died from this thing?

And how many of those deaths have been non Chinese?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was reading some 25,000 people died from the flu last year. That's an average of about 2100 per month. How many have died from this thing?

And how many of those deaths have been non Chinese?

DNA is a funny thing. Engineered viruses which go after a certain group would have to go after the specific DNA. While I'm clueless about this subject it doesn't take rocket science, to see that certain disease attack certain groups. Like sickle cell anaemia which targets the descendants of the African continent, caucasians have been known to carry this blood trait as well. Again, I'm no hematologist, but group specific diseases which could be engineered to attack that one group might backfire. Like the Frankenstein monster which rises from the lab table to kill its creator.

[Amanah]

Republican Sen. Tom Cotton suggested that Chinese officials misled the public on the origins of the novel coronavirus from Wuhan, China, saying it may have originated in a "superlaboratory."

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-cotton-coronavirus-come-from-chinese-super-laboratory-2020-2

[Esaias]

Supposedly some 400,000,000 people are now on lock down in China, hospitals are shutting down because all the doctors are dead, the infected are being dragged to stadiums, neighborhoods are being burned by the government to sterilize the areas, a pic surfaced of an evacuation flight from China to US, its a military plane and the crew are wearing end of the world ghostbuster style hazmat suits rather than standard USGI MOPP gear. Meanwhile the UN and World Health Organization are pushing for unrestricted and unmonitored international travel even crying "dat's waycissss!" when people and governments suggest stopping all travelers from China.

Conclusion? It's a bioweapon outbreak and WHO is involved in wanting it spread. Problem? It's race specific for Chinese males.

Georgia Guidestones, anyone?

[Esaias]

So... has anybody here got any plans on dealing with an actual biological attack? Or just get on the train/bus to the government sponsored "happy safe place"?

[Pressing-On]

So... has anybody here got any plans on dealing with an actual biological attack? Or just get on the train/bus to the government sponsored "happy safe place"?

What do you want people to do? Because you sure like to stoke a lot of fear about almost everything.


"Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God." Psalm 20:7

[Amanah]

Other than basic disaster preparedness, I trust in the LORD for protection and deliverance

Psalm 91
King James Version
91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

[Pressing-On]

Excellent, Amanah!

[Esaias]

What do you want people to do? Because you sure like to stoke a lot of fear about almost everything.


"Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God." Psalm 20:7

Please, just put me on ignore.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Are there any cases of this in the United States or Europe?

[MawMaw]

Other than basic disaster preparedness, I trust in the LORD for protection and deliverance

Psalm 91
King James Version
91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

:thumbsup

[Esaias]

Are there any cases of this in the United States or Europe?

There are several cases of Wuhan Flu infection in the US and several European countries. No illnesses or deaths though as far as I know. I am also not sure if those cases involve non Chinese persons.

[Evang.Benincasa]

There are several cases of Wuhan Flu infection in the US and several European countries. No illnesses or deaths though as far as I know. I am also not sure if those cases involve non Chinese persons.

Is this like Legionnaires disease, Swine Flu, H5N1 Bird Flu, Spanish Flu?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_influenza

It is pretty interesting tracking all this outbreaks.

[Esaias]

Anfield_king
@Anfield_king
·
Feb 7
Another video of #China residents very happily going to admit themselves at the new state of the art hospital in #Wuhan. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Everything is under control. #coronavirus

https://www.twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1225674232719298560

[Esaias]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1224577703686238209

[Esaias]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226262057143676929

Coronavirus Pandemic Tracker Retweeted
Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
7h
There is an extreme shortage of protective suits and masks
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for healthcare workers at all Wuhan hospitals
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. Yet the doctors and nurses still work day in and day out. No wonder 41% infected cases acquired within a
��
. So brave of those healthcare workers. #coronavirus

...

Did you get that? 41% of infections acquired WITHIN A HOSPITAL???? So literally almost HALF of all people infected got it AT A HOSPITAL?

[Esaias]

Lot of speculation that the outbreak and response is a coverup for mass roundup of dissidents etc.

Kind of like how in the 30s and 40s there were lots of crazy rumours floating around about what was going on in Germany...

[n david]

Police making rounds

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1223881846196293632?s=19
https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1223840299023159296?s=19

[n david]

The new airline uniforms are 🔥

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1225438322882859008?s=09

[n david]

What in the world???

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1226151481792794624?s=19

[Esaias]

1. It's a coverup as China rounds up dissidents.

2. It's a biological attack against China.

3. All this info and video coming out of China is fake/misattributed.

Conclusion? You and I have NO IDEA what's going on over there. Kind of like 1984.

[votivesoul]

A sampling of editorials from the Middle East, with source footnotes at the bottom, translated into English:

https://www.memri.org/reports/arab-writers-coronavirus-part-biological-warfare-waged-us-against-china

[Evang.Benincasa]

Police making rounds

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1223881846196293632?s=19
https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1223840299023159296?s=19


Thank God that can never happen here. :faint

[Evang.Benincasa]

What in the world???

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1226151481792794624?s=19

See how nice the Chinese government is? Unlike the United States who spray that stuff way up in the atmosphere. The Chinese get right to where it is the most needed on the ground. :thumbsup

[Freeindeed]

"The real reason behind the viral spread, we suggested, was that a weaponized version of the coronavirus (one which may have originally been obtained from Canada), was released by Wuhan’s Institute of Virology (presumably accidentally ), China’s only top, level-4 biohazard lab, which was studying “the world’s most dangerous pathogens."

The White House has good reason to question the official story as expert virologist Dr. James Lyons-Weiler of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge, showed and explained how the coronavirus’ genetic sequence – which has been publicly released by China – contains a unique “middle fragment” encoding a SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) spike protein that appears, according to his genomic analysis, to have been inserted into the 2019-nCoV virus using “pShuttle” technology. This technique can only be done in a lab, as it has never occurred naturally in nature.

“This isn’t a ‘conspiracy theory’, it is a scientific, medical theory,” says Del Bigtree, the Emmy-winning producer and founder of non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN).

Wuhan epicenter… Only P4 facility in China… A lab investigating bats infected with genetically engineered Coronavirus… Coronavirus infected Bats… Chimeric bio-engineered viruses…. and that is probably why The White House is now asking authorities to investigate the source of the disease.

[Freeindeed]

1. It's a coverup as China rounds up dissidents.

2. It's a biological attack against China.

3. All this info and video coming out of China is fake/misattributed.

Conclusion? You and I have NO IDEA what's going on over there. Kind of like 1984.

Our media is covering up what is really happening in China. As a society, we are lulled to complacency and distracted by the things of this world that we don't see what is really going on around us.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-06-cremation-vans-china-orders-door-to-door-mass-roundups-quarantine-prison-camps.html

[Evang.Benincasa]

Stock up on Bio Scarfs and organic turmeric!

The book World War Z predicted all of this!

Here is what you may be hearing over the pulpits in a church near you.

Brother Irvin Baxter Jr will be having new material soon.

https://www.jpost.com/judaism/Secret-Bible-codes-allegedly-predict-worldwide-coronavirus-outbreak-616048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKqHwOzk3iA&ab_channel=TheChristianLife

Good grief. :kickcan

[diakonos]

Never seen someone so cheerful over pestilence:lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

I believe that there is something else in the works. Watch for any new laws, or one already in place getting modified. With all the distractions one can get a wee bit too focused on the bug on the eschatological doomsday leaf. I goof on this stuff as much as the next guy. But sberity should be the salt on all of this death watch. Like I have posted before I was raised by two parents at different extremes of this spectrum. One, my father, was always preparing for a future fall of the world around us. Basement filled with supplies and a water system to store water. Filled with ammunition. Yet, my mother viewed it as building one's elaborate tomb. That either you survived or died, the stockpiled hole in the ground would be your final resting place. Whoever found out that you had all those supplies would be shopping at your location, but wouldn't be going there alone. No, they would enlist one and all of the huddled masses to come and assist them in pillaging all you have. My mom often said she would be leading the charge. We have been ruled and governed by the wealthy elite since the rise of the first empire. The rank and file rule nothing, but we are the pitchers not the catchers in the grand scheme of things

[Esaias]

A glimpse of how a totalitarian communist regime responds to the situation (thankfully nothing like this could happen in America, right? Lee Greenwood told me so...):

https://www.twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal

[Pressing-On]

"Of the approximately 327,000,000 people in the U.S., approximately 326,999,995 do not have the coronavirus"

Just sayin’

Carry on...

[Freeindeed]

A glimpse of how a totalitarian communist regime responds to the situation (thankfully nothing like this could happen in America, right? Lee Greenwood told me so...):

https://www.twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal

Lee may want to read the following:

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

[Freeindeed]

Supposedly some 400,000,000 people are now on lock down in China, hospitals are shutting down because all the doctors are dead, the infected are being dragged to stadiums, neighborhoods are being burned by the government to sterilize the areas, a pic surfaced of an evacuation flight from China to US, its a military plane and the crew are wearing end of the world ghostbuster style hazmat suits rather than standard USGI MOPP gear. Meanwhile the UN and World Health Organization are pushing for unrestricted and unmonitored international travel even crying "dat's waycissss!" when people and governments suggest stopping all travelers from China.

Conclusion? It's a bioweapon outbreak and WHO is involved in wanting it spread. Problem? It's race specific for Chinese males.

Georgia Guidestones, anyone?

Not too sure about it being specifically for Chinese males...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/09/britain-facing-major-outbreak-of-coronavirus

[Esaias]

Not too sure about it being specifically for Chinese males...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/09/britain-facing-major-outbreak-of-coronavirus

Yes, see the first page. A study was published showing the virus attacks a specific lung cell found 5x more often in East Asian/Chinese males. Doesn't mean ONLY Chinese males can die from it (I believe a Japanese male recently died from it) but its attack vector seems ethnocentric. That's on top of the four HIV insertion points also discovered in the virus by another team of scientists.

But really, who knows? We're not in the loop, all we get are MiniTrue reports and internet posts and crazy videos of who knows what?

[Esaias]

"Of the approximately 327,000,000 people in the U.S., approximately 326,999,995 do not have the coronavirus"

Just sayin’

Carry on...

Nobody HERE is claiming Wuhan Flu is a threat to anyone but Chinese people, mostly in China. The issue is whether or not China determines this was a biological attack. If they do, they will have no choice but to retaliate in kind. It would be no different than if someone nuked Beijing.

[KeptByTheWord]

Nobody HERE is claiming Wuhan Flu is a threat to anyone but Chinese people, mostly in China. The issue is whether or not China determines this was a biological attack. If they do, they will have no choice but to retaliate in kind. It would be no different than if someone nuked Beijing.

Who knows what truth is anymore? Videos, pictures, information can all be edited and used deceitfully.

I'm with Pressing On. My hope is in the Lord. We know that the enemy's main objective is to paralyze with fear. There is a lot of fear being spread with this virus.

[diakonos]

Who knows what truth is anymore? Videos, pictures, information can all be edited and used deceitfully.

I'm with Pressing On. My hope is in the Lord. We know that the enemy's main objective is to paralyze with fear. There is a lot of fear being spread with this virus.

It wasn’t but a few years ago that there was a video of a flying dragon making rounds. PEOPLE BELIEVED IT WAS REAL :tissue

[diakonos]

It wasn’t but a few years ago that there was a video of a flying dragon making rounds. PEOPLE BELIEVED IT WAS REAL :tissue

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/bizarre-footage-huge-dragon-flying-9084577

[Esaias]

Apparently, Wuhan Flu is about 70% SARS. Which itself is most likely a bioweapon (also targeted at Oriental persons).

The enemy's main objective is not "to paralyze with fear". That's just a means to an end. The enemy's objective is to steal, kill, and destroy. Some are paralysed with fear and indecision and do nothing and get hit by the truck bearing down on them. Others have been taught to bury their head in the sand or put on Ju Junta 2000 Peril Sensitive Sunglasses so they can't see the truck bearing down on them with the same end result.

The way some folks talk keeping a fire extinguisher in the house, learning CPR, or locking your door at night are symptoms of being "paralysed with fear". :rolleyes: But in actuality, implying that people who pay attention to things and who might be taking precautions are in reality "paralysed by fear" and possibly outside the will of God is really no different than what the ten spies did in discouraging Israel from taking action, just in a sort of reverse manner. Thankfully, such people weren't around to successfully discourage Noah as he was hammering nails. :)

[n david]

Stock up on Bio Scarfs and organic turmeric!

The book World War Z predicted all of this!

Here is what you may be hearing over the pulpits in a church near you.

Brother Irvin Baxter Jr will be having new material soon.

https://www.jpost.com/judaism/Secret-Bible-codes-allegedly-predict-worldwide-coronavirus-outbreak-616048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKqHwOzk3iA&ab_channel=TheChristianLife

Good grief. :kickcan
We have a minister visiting from Canada for the winter and last night, he was asked to open the service with a scripture and prayer ... he led with Matthew 24:7 and started talking about the virus and how it's fulfillment of scripture.

Great start to a Sunday evening service!

[n david]

Who knows what truth is anymore? Videos, pictures, information can all be edited and used deceitfully.
This is true. I got sucked into twitterverse Saturday night and spent too much time before bed watching what appears to be just awful things happening in China. But who knows if it's real or what is really happening there.

My hope is in the Lord.
Amen

[n david]

This morning I was listening to the local news station and heard an interview they did with an American surgeon who is currently stuck in quarantine with her husband on the cruise ship docked in Japan. Allegedly there are approx 3700 on this ship and nearly 200 have been diagnosed with the disease.

This lady was completely calm and even joked a few times about their situation. She stated that they've been locked in their cabin and aren't allowed to go anywhere, though they can access their small balcony. She said that they have been told quarantine is supposed to last until at least Feb 19th and laughed when one of the radio hosts told her "Happy Valentine's Day."

[Freeindeed]

Nobody HERE is claiming Wuhan Flu is a threat to anyone but Chinese people, mostly in China. The issue is whether or not China determines this was a biological attack. If they do, they will have no choice but to retaliate in kind. It would be no different than if someone nuked Beijing.

I think the Chinese know where this virus originated. I don't think it's a mere coincidence that a Biosafety Level 4 Lab is located in Wuhan.

http://www.shadolsonshow.com/2020/01/24/breaking-chinese-bioweapons-lab-in-wuhan-blamed-for-coronavirus-outbreak/

There could be a lab in your city. Makes one wonder if something like what is happening in Wuhan could happen here.

https://www.hpac.com/iaq-ventilation/article/20925827/biosafety-level-4-labs-up-close-and-personal

[n david]

Duct tape and plastic sheeting should work

[Esaias]

Oracle seems to indicate that China's Great Firewall is working, and internet traffic (outgoing) is constant but really choppy - which means the only people posting stuff from inside China to the wider internet are almost certainly CCP employees working round the clock. What we're seeing is what they want everyone to see.

Also, I understand it's the Chinese New Year holiday season, and production pretty much comes to a stop this time of year anyway. Which means this "outbreak" happened at literally the best possible time. If production begins again as usual (starting mid-late Feb) then it would be almost a guarantee there was no viral outbreak. If there are little or no deaths outside China (watch the quarantined cruise ship, for example) it would practically seal the deal.

It's looking like the whole thing may very well be a coverup for a roundup and disposal of dissidents. Anyone seen Xi lately?

[Esaias]

Duct tape and plastic sheeting should work

:spit

I remember that...

[Freeindeed]

Oracle seems to indicate that China's Great Firewall is working, and internet traffic (outgoing) is constant but really choppy - which means the only people posting stuff from inside China to the wider internet are almost certainly CCP employees working round the clock. What we're seeing is what they want everyone to see.

Also, I understand it's the Chinese New Year holiday season, and production pretty much comes to a stop this time of year anyway. Which means this "outbreak" happened at literally the best possible time. If production begins again as usual (starting mid-late Feb) then it would be almost a guarantee there was no viral outbreak. If there are little or no deaths outside China (watch the quarantined cruise ship, for example) it would practically seal the deal.

It's looking like the whole thing may very well be a coverup for a roundup and disposal of dissidents. Anyone seen Xi lately?

That is an interesting theory. Xi was photographed in Beijing recently but he avoided going to Wuhan. He sent his second in command instead.

[n david]

It's looking like the whole thing may very well be a coverup for a roundup and disposal of dissidents. Anyone seen Xi lately?
This is something I've seen suggested in some tweets and a few articles. How do you explain those outside of China who have allegedly been diagnosed with this virus? I could believe this if there weren't other cases outside of China.

[n david]

:spit

I remember that...

Would be great to see the reaction if Trump tweeted this again. :toofunny

[Esaias]

This is something I've seen suggested in some tweets and a few articles. How do you explain those outside of China who have allegedly been diagnosed with this virus? I could believe this if there weren't other cases outside of China.

Well, it's a coronavirus (aka a cold). I'm saying it may not be a genuine end of the world plague of biblical proportions, cats and dogs living together, etc.

[Esaias]

After appearing in public yesterday for the first time since the outbreak kicked into high gear, President Xi said Tuesday that China will be "more prosperous" after the outbreak (despite its economy-crushing blowback). It's the latest sign that Beijing is growing desperate to convince the public that China's slowing economy can weather the outbreak without a severe downturn.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/13-us-virus-case-confirmed-san-diego-china-fires-2-top-health-officials-over-botched

[Esaias]

THINK THE UNTHINKABLE: China Faced A Domestic Disaster Months Ago If Something Wasn't Done...

In typical research on the economic health of nations, their political situations and possible military options I noticed a few months ago that China factories were starting to cut back. In addition to this downturn in China, due to the global slow down, I heard a comment made by a official that China needed to provide millions of new jobs every year, for the fresh new workers pouring in from the countryside. This meant that not only did they have to get their factories started for those being laid off, they needed to provide tens of millions of additional jobs each year, or else they would face a human catastrophe.

...


With the recent outbreak of a new flu virus, a germ weapon created in a bio-lab, it requires a person to ask themselves who benefits? As I saw video after video of Chinese police hauling healthy people off, never to be seen again. I had to ask myself why? In a recent video a man, a man over 50 mind you, gets a knock at the door, and he asked the police why they are there. They tell him they are concerned about his health. He says, I am fine, I'm not sick. They respond, but we need to check for sure, open the door. He is talking to them through a type of screen door. They can see he is healthy, and able to talk with him in full strength. Then they break the door down and forcibly take him away. Why?

Consider the unthinkable for a moment. Consider that the Chinese communist government realized they had too many people that weren't working. And, consider the fact that the global economy was faltering and not expected to reverse its course anytime soon. The Communist leadership study the problem and determine that the only way they can function efficiently for the future is to get rid of a few million retired people so they can employ the younger Chinese worker. This solves several problems - one being the reduction of retirement benefits going out to so called "useless eaters'. And, it provides jobs, reduces food shortages and limits those that have time on their hands to protest against a totalitarian government. The communist leaders tell themselves that if they trim the fat, get rid of the extra population they don't need, they can continue running a well oiled machine of factories to compete in the future. To explore that possible mindset lets look at the history, behavior and benefits that would prove or disprove that point:

•Has this government at any time in the past killed off millions of its own people to maintain its power? Yes.

•Has this government ever run prison camps against dissidents and killed them on a wholesale basis? Yes.

•Has this government exercised human rights abuses, exercised bias against religious groups? Yes.

•Has this government operated a abortion campaign to kill off citizens? Yes.

•Has this government used prisoners to sell their organs for profit? Yes.

•Has this government pursued weapons of mass destruction and shared them with other communist nations? Yes.

•Has this government carried on a massive spy campaign against free nations and stolen biological weapons? Yes.

•Has this government been gathering up citizens without charges and those citizens go missing? Yes.

•Has this government lied to the public and the rest of the world about the true death numbers on the Coronavirus outbreak? Yes.

•Has this government shoved sick people into the same large rooms and simply let them die without medical help? Yes.

•Has this government been burning dead bodies for several weeks? Yes.

•Has this government sent their own citizens to western nations to steal the Coronavirus and bring it back to Wuhan, where the outbreak took place? Yes.

It looks like by the evidence, that it is very possible that the Chinese leaders decided to pull the plug on their own population, slim their ranks, and pretend it was only an epidemic that killed off people.

After all, dead men tell no tales.

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=140446

[KeptByTheWord]

This is true. I got sucked into twitterverse Saturday night and spent too much time before bed watching what appears to be just awful things happening in China. But who knows if it's real or what is really happening there.


Amen

:thumbsup

[KeptByTheWord]

Apparently, Wuhan Flu is about 70% SARS. Which itself is most likely a bioweapon (also targeted at Oriental persons).

The enemy's main objective is not "to paralyze with fear". That's just a means to an end. The enemy's objective is to steal, kill, and destroy. Some are paralysed with fear and indecision and do nothing and get hit by the truck bearing down on them. Others have been taught to bury their head in the sand or put on Ju Junta 2000 Peril Sensitive Sunglasses so they can't see the truck bearing down on them with the same end result.

The way some folks talk keeping a fire extinguisher in the house, learning CPR, or locking your door at night are symptoms of being "paralysed with fear". :rolleyes: But in actuality, implying that people who pay attention to things and who might be taking precautions are in reality "paralysed by fear" and possibly outside the will of God is really no different than what the ten spies did in discouraging Israel from taking action, just in a sort of reverse manner. Thankfully, such people weren't around to successfully discourage Noah as he was hammering nails. :)

I agree, burying your head in the sand is not a good idea. But there is an overwhelming sense of fear that is not healthy either. Either scenario is not good.

Simply put, it's wise to be aware, it's wise to not fall into the fear trap, and it's wise to trust in the Lord above all. :thumbsup

You mentioned Noah. Noah was on a mission given to him from the Lord. How would we even know nowadays if we had a Noah in our midst? Those people in that day thought he was crazy. What would the scenario of Noah look like to us today?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Maybe [you] is a Noah?

[n david]

Maybe [you] is a Noah?

:happydance

[n david]

Yesterday the WHO reported breaking news -- it has renamed the Coronavirus "COVID-19" as a way to remove the stigma from China and the region. The DG of the WHO also said a vaccine is being pursued and should be available in 18 months.

This is odd, because there was a report just a few days ago in which a man from Washington state, diagnosed with Coronavirus, was given an experimental vaccine and after a few days was released as "cured."

A Dr Diaz who was interviewed even mentioned that China was going to conduct trials of the vaccine.

But WHO says there's none and won't be any for 18 months.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/breaking-washington-doctors-successfully-treat-coronavirus-patient-with-experimental-anti-viral-medication-significantly-improved-in-hours-video/

"""Dr. George Diaz, a section chief for infectious diseases at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett joined Arthel Neville on FOX News on Sunday morning to discuss the successful treatment of the center’s coronavirus patient.

Dr. George Diaz: About a week into his course he got worse developed pneumonia. At that point given the reports we had gotten out of China… At that point we elected to give him… the experimental Remdesivir, antiviral medication. And within 24 hours he improved significantly. This was quite encouraging and he improved and thereafter remained without fever and felt much better. Over the next few days he improved to where we thought he could be discharged at home under the care of the local health district.

Arthel Neville: And you said you used, I believe an experimental anti-viral medication, that you gave this patient. Can you apply this treatment to ALL people infected with the coronavirus or does it depend on the stage of their infection?

Dr. George Diaz: Yes, at this point the CDC has been working with the authorities in China and have recently opened a large clinical trial of Chinese patients looking at those with severe disease as well as those with mild to moderate disease. We are very much looking forward to the trials."""

[n david]

FoxNews reported 200 in GA are "self-monitoring" for symptoms after returning from China. None visited Wuhon or the Hubei province where the alleged outbreak is. None so far have shown any symptoms of the disease. They're technically not being quarantined, but are being "isolated" in their homes for 14 days.

Meanwhile, China reported another 97 died allegedly from the disease overnight. The previous night over 100 were reported to have died.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nearly-200-georgia-residents-monitored-for-coronavirus-china-reports-97-new-deaths-on-wednesday

[Originalist]

Maybe [you] is a Noah?

Oh is this the thing that causes all members to their name in your post?

[n david]

American passenger from the cruise ship docked in Japan who was diagnosed with the Coronavirus.

Never knew she had Coronavirus. Said she had no symptoms other than a slight cough.

Dr's monitoring her temp, bp and breathing. Nothing much else.

But thousands allegedly have died in China from this disease...

Weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAafDOqfN3M

[Evang.Benincasa]

Oh is this the thing that causes all members to their name in your post?

https://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Macaulay-Culkin-Throat-Slash.gif

[Esaias]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6496&stc=1&d=1581723515

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6496&stc=1&d=1581723515

Kung Flu?

Your Kung Flu is very good?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/62/5c/a8625c96302ddadad5ee14a3de3dafd7.gif

[Esaias]

Kung Flu?

Your Kung Flu is very good?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/62/5c/a8625c96302ddadad5ee14a3de3dafd7.gif

Ah, so, grasshoppah have wuhan sniffle? Dragon flu? Veeeeeeery bad, no egg roll for Hong Kong protestors!

Seriously though I'm starting to think the whole thing stinks from top to bottom, front to back, start to finish.

[n david]

Good ole Jimmy Bakker

https://twitter.com/Anfield_king/status/1228708133108736002?s=19

[n david]

https://twitter.com/DeanJJRiley/status/1228311134123458560?s=19

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://twitter.com/DeanJJRiley/status/1228311134123458560?s=19

Eating snakes and bats for lunch!

:lol

[Esaias]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/28/harvard-professor-charles-lieber-accused-lying-work-china/4598181002/

Kristine Phillips | USA TODAY Updated 3:45 p.m. CST Jan. 28, 2020

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department charged a Harvard University professor with lying about money he received from the Chinese government, part of the U.S. government's effort to prosecute theft of American trade secrets.

Charles Lieber, chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard, was arrested Tuesday on accusations that he made a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement about work he did for a program run by the Chinese government that seeks to lure American talent to China.

Lieber was paid $50,000 a month and up to $158,000 in living expenses for his work, which involved cultivating young teachers and students, according to court documents. He also received more than $1.5 million to create a research lab at the Wuhan University of Technology in China.

[Esaias]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/12/31/zaosong-zheng-china-cancer-research-smuggling-charge-boston-beth-israel-deaconess-medical-center/

Medical Student Charged With Trying To Smuggle Cancer Research From Boston To China
December 31, 2019 at 9:58 am

Zaosong Zheng, 29, who last year earned a visa sponsored by Harvard University to study in the U.S., appeared Monday in U.S. District Court in Boston.

Magistrate Judge David Hennessy ruled that evidence suggested Zheng had tried to smuggle vials of research specimens in a sock in his suitcase bound for China and granted the prosecution’s request to hold him without bail.

He was arrested Dec. 10 at Boston’s Logan Airport on a charge of making false statements.

Zheng stole the materials from his lab at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, authorities allege.

[Esaias]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/12/31/zaosong-zheng-china-cancer-research-smuggling-charge-boston-beth-israel-deaconess-medical-center/

Medical Student Charged With Trying To Smuggle Cancer Research From Boston To China
December 31, 2019 at 9:58 am

Zaosong Zheng, 29, who last year earned a visa sponsored by Harvard University to study in the U.S., appeared Monday in U.S. District Court in Boston.

Magistrate Judge David Hennessy ruled that evidence suggested Zheng had tried to smuggle vials of research specimens in a sock in his suitcase bound for China and granted the prosecution’s request to hold him without bail.

He was arrested Dec. 10 at Boston’s Logan Airport on a charge of making false statements.

Zheng stole the materials from his lab at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, authorities allege.

This guy was one of the two Chinese nationals arrested with connections to Charles Lieber, mentioned earlier.

[Amanah]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/02/21/585336506/doctors-in-china-lead-race-to-treat-cancer-by-editing-genes

"China is starting to pull ahead of other parts of the world — maybe for the time — in regards to biomedicine," says Hallam Stevens, an anthropologist at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore who studies Chinese bioscience. "They've been really investing heavily in it over the last couple of decades and it's starting to pay off in a big way."

"China sees biomedicine as one way it can compete with the West and show off its technological prowess and scientific chops in the 21st century," Stevens says. "It's also something that's going to be critical for keeping China's population healthy in the 21st century."

"China's like the Wild West," says Dr. Carl June, a University of Pennsylvania scientist involved in the U.S. study of CRISPR to treat cancer that's finally starting after nearly two years of much more intense review than Wu's study in China.

"China has made this a very high priority — a national priority to develop this," June says. "There's some very high-quality research in China, and then there are others that are not high quality."

June doesn't have any specific concerns about Wu's study and doesn't think the U.S. should relax its safeguards to protect patients. But he worries the U.S. is falling behind like it did at the beginning of the space race.

[Amanah]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/

[Evang.Benincasa]

Anyone know anyone who died from the coronavirus

[Tithesmeister]

Anyone know anyone who died from the coronavirus

I don’t. I considered the information. I decided that I shouldn’t panic. I feel pretty good about my decision.

I think the unknown factor is what scares people. We always have the flu. It kills thousands a year. People generally don’t panic.

Do you realize how many times, “fear not, neither be afraid” is repeated throughout the Bible?

Me neither.

[Nicodemus1968]

Anyone know anyone who died from the coronavirus
Just the common cold.

[votivesoul]

It's a tit for tat. New trade policies after months of sanctions have hurt China's economy, China released virus and panics the whole world, US stock markets tank, and all financial gains of the year are wiped out. Leveling the play-field, and all that.

As summarized humorously and predicted back in 2007:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLHueWyz4X4

[Amanah]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-warns-men-about-facial-hair-dangers-amid-coronavirus-fears

Men may need to hack off their muttonchops, void their Van Dykes or pluck their ducktails if they plan on using a respirator, according to information from the CDC about how facial hair can interact with the devices.

A graphic released by the agency shows the fashionable facial-hair-wearer which styles will conflict with potentially life-saving respirators as the US braces for the quickly spreading coronavirus to emerge state-side.

Handlebar, walrus, and Zorro mustaches are fine, but the CDC says folks may need to lose their Fu Manchus, Dalis, and Englishes — because they could prevent respirators from making a seal on wearers’ faces.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6497&stc=1&d=1582802059

[TakingDominion]

It's a conspiracy by the legalist, apostolic community to get us enlightened, beard-wearing prophets of God to shave. I for one will not be compromising! You're gonna have to pluck it off my cold, dead body.


Just being facetious people.

[Apostolic1ness]

So the steep drop on wall street goes further and further down. Get ready to invest, as soon as there are talks of a cure or high percentage of containment the DOW S&P 500 etc will shoot up so fast it may make your head spin and cause new investors to become overnight cabillionaires. then there will be a sell off and return to normal pre corona levels.

maybe......

[jediwill83]

It's a conspiracy by the legalist, apostolic community to get us enlightened, beard-wearing prophets of God to shave. I for one will not be compromising! You're gonna have to pluck it off my cold, dead body.


Just being facetious people.


If my cpap fits and keeps a seal that respirator will be just fine. 😁

[n david]

It's been good knowing you all. I've enjoyed all the conversations, debates, arguments, etc on AFF.

Found out today that my supervisor attends church with a couple who was in Wuhan on missions trip when the outbreak began. They were able to fly out of China and spent a couple weeks in quarantine in Nebraska. They just arrived back in Arizona last week.

If you don't hear from me in a couple week, assume I've probably been exposed and am locked in quarantine somewhere.

Of all the supervisors and all the mormon missionaries in the world and these cats had to be here...

:kickcan










:heeheehee

[n david]

Just read on CNN --

"""38% of Americans wouldn't buy Corona "under any circumstances" because of the [Coronavirus] outbreak"""

The same poll claims """16 percent of beer drinking Americans were confused about whether Corona beer is related to the coronavirus."""

God bless America

Yeah, that Corona virus was caused by Corona Beer company using polluted Mexican water in their beer...

:lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Just read on CNN --

"""38% of Americans wouldn't buy Corona "under any circumstances" because of the [Coronavirus] outbreak"""

The same poll claims """16 percent of beer drinking Americans were confused about whether Corona beer is related to the coronavirus."""

God bless America

Yeah, that Corona virus was caused by Corona Beer company using polluted Mexican water in their beer...

:lol

https://media1.tenor.com/images/236a1b64bc8040823f08790702b96897/tenor.gif?itemid=5784650

[n david]

Headline:
Christians Finally Vindicated As Sidehugs Found To Protect Against Coronavirus

https://babylonbee.com/news/christians-get-last-laugh-as-sidehugs-found-to-slow-spread-of-coronavirus

[coksiw]

Just read on CNN --

"""38% of Americans wouldn't buy Corona "under any circumstances" because of the [Coronavirus] outbreak"""

The same poll claims """16 percent of beer drinking Americans were confused about whether Corona beer is related to the coronavirus."""

God bless America

Yeah, that Corona virus was caused by Corona Beer company using polluted Mexican water in their beer...

:lol

There was a viral post on social media about a conspiracy theory that Lysol created the Coronavirus.... because the Lysol bottle has said for years that it is good against the Human coronavirus, so they knew.

The level of ignorance is beyond comprehension. There is no hope.

[KeptByTheWord]

Things are reaching a bit of a hysteria point where I live. Store shelves are empty of any antibacterial cleaning agents. People are being told to stay home from hospitals/ER/urgent care facilities if they have a cough unless they are in urgent condition. Hospitals are setting up outdoor triage tents outside their facilties. Whether this is abundance of precaution, or real concern it is hard to know. Meanwhile... we are continuing on with life as usual.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Things are reaching a bit of a hysteria point where I live. Store shelves are empty of any antibacterial cleaning agents. People are being told to stay home from hospitals/ER/urgent care facilities if they have a cough unless they are in urgent condition. Hospitals are setting up outdoor triage tents outside their facilties. Whether this is abundance of precaution, or real concern it is hard to know. Meanwhile... we are continuing on with life as usual.

Wow, people in Fort Lauderdale must not care.
Nothing like that is happening down here.

[diakonos]

Remember Ebola.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Remember Ebola.

:highfive

[coksiw]

Things are reaching a bit of a hysteria point where I live. Store shelves are empty of any antibacterial cleaning agents. People are being told to stay home from hospitals/ER/urgent care facilities if they have a cough unless they are in urgent condition. Hospitals are setting up outdoor triage tents outside their facilties. Whether this is abundance of precaution, or real concern it is hard to know. Meanwhile... we are continuing on with life as usual.

The threat is not exaggerated. It is starting to look a lot like the Spanish flu.
I don't think people shouldn't panic but they shouldn't play it down either.
We just need to be realistic and also trust the Lord that he can do a miracle to keep you away from its effects.

Here: https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-MAP/0100B59S39E/index.html

Out of 93,075 cases as of today globally:
There are 39,472 cases that we don't know the outcome yet.
There are 53,603 cases that we do know the outcome: 3,204 died, the rest made it through.
That's roughly 6% global death rate.
If you go outside China:
* Italy: 160 recovered, 79 died = 33% death rate (seems like a low quantity to be stats significant, though)
* South Korean: 41 recovered, 32 died = 41% death rate (too small quantity to be stats significant yet)
* Iran: 291 recovered, 77 died = 20% death rate

All those numbers, especially the ones outside china, would make it more clear in one month.

The Spanish flu had a death rate of 5%-35% depending on the area, and it ability to transmit was brutal, like this one.

The common flu has a death rate of less than 1%.

[Pressing-On]

Per CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/abo...
CDC Estimates: Oct 1, 2019 through Feb 20, 2020 18,000 to 46,000 flu deaths (since flu reporting to the CDC is voluntary, these stats are estimates)

[coksiw]

Per CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/abo...
CDC Estimates: Oct 1, 2019 through Feb 20, 2020 18,000 to 46,000 flu deaths (since flu reporting to the CDC is voluntary, these stats are estimates)

That shows you right there that even though the death rate of the common flu is less than 1%, the transmissibility is so high that actual deaths count seem high.
CoVid-19 is as contagious as the common flu, but with much higher death rate.

Sorry guys I don't want to scare you but this can be one of those in our life time. Just be prepared before the Groceries stores are empty and the prices are jacked up.

[n david]

Coronavirus in the US
Total cases: 80
Total deaths: 9
States reporting cases: 13

[KeptByTheWord]

The threat is not exaggerated. It is starting to look a lot like the Spanish flu.
I don't think people shouldn't panic but they shouldn't play it down either.
We just need to be realistic and also trust the Lord that he can do a miracle to keep you away from its effects.

Here: https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-MAP/0100B59S39E/index.html

Out of 93,075 cases as of today globally:
There are 39,472 cases that we don't know the outcome yet.
There are 53,603 cases that we do know the outcome: 3,204 died, the rest made it through.
That's roughly 6% global death rate.
If you go outside China:
* Italy: 160 recovered, 79 died = 33% death rate (seems like a low quantity to be stats significant, though)
* South Korean: 41 recovered, 32 died = 41% death rate (too small quantity to be stats significant yet)
* Iran: 291 recovered, 77 died = 20% death rate

All those numbers, especially the ones outside china, would make it more clear in one month.

The Spanish flu had a death rate of 5%-35% depending on the area, and it ability to transmit was brutal, like this one.

The common flu has a death rate of less than 1%.

Thank you for sharing those numbers and stats. Apparently that is the major concern with this virus, is the fact that it is so contagious, and it affects everyone differently, making it hard to spot symptoms early. Every person in this area who has gotten the virus has had strange symptoms not following the typical flu course. A high school student now has it, and several school districts are shuttered. The student had a fever, stayed home, got better, went back to school, then got worse, and that is when he was tested positive. So its unpredictable nature, and also the fact that many who have tested clear of the virus, later test positive.

[coksiw]

Stuck up on groceries, businesses are already being affected at a large scale:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-snarls-trans-pacific-shipping-and-ripples-through-u-s-business-11583432172?mod=hp_lead_pos3

[hometown guy]

I saw an article on yahoo that said something like “ Seattle like a ghost town due to cronavirus “. I texted my brother because he was at a work convention earlier this week and now he is sight seeing. He said it’s all hype they were having difficulty finding parking spots it was so busy in the area lol.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Fort Lauderdale is all chill. Buisness as usual, everyone happy. No one is Coronavirus minded, just Corona and lime minded. Spring Break, Bike Week, NASCAR in Miami, these people would be partying right in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse.

[Esaias]

Coronavirus Wuhan Flu may in fact be good old fashioned tuberculosis:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/bill-sardi/trump-halts-cdc-fearmongering-but-why-are-antibiotics-not-anti-virals-quelling-the-covid-19-coronavirus-is-it-really-a-virus/

[coksiw]

Fort Lauderdale is all chill. Buisness as usual, everyone happy. No one is Coronavirus minded, just Corona and lime minded. Spring Break, Bike Week, NASCAR in Miami, these people would be partying right in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse.

I bet Corona sales are soaring

[diakonos]

I bet Corona sales are soaring

Dropped around the nation. People believe the virus is linked to the beer.

[coksiw]

Dropped around the nation. People believe the virus is linked to the beer.

No way. People are more educated than that.

[diakonos]

No way. People are more educated than that.

I don’t believe that they are. :lol

Anyway, that’s what was reported on the local radio station. I don’t care enough to research.

[Evang.Benincasa]

No way. People are more educated than that.

Seriously? :lol

[diakonos]

Seriously? :lol

I know,right? :lol

[coksiw]

Seriously? :lol

I was told once that I needed to use emojis to help people when I am being sarcastic, but I still don’t use it because it is funny to see them thinking I am serious.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was told once that I needed to use emojis to help people when I am being sarcastic, but I still don’t use it because it is funny to see them thinking I am serious.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ok-sure-gif-11.gif

[coksiw]

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ok-sure-gif-11.gif

:thumbsup

[n david]

Why the run on TP? My supervisor told me two different Costco stores were sold out of TP because people were filling up flat carts with it and water.

Is there an outbreak of dysentery that I didn't know about?

I read a couple weeks ago that a gang in South Korea stole pallets of TP.

I read a news article from Australia that stores are beginning to limit sales of TP because people are stockpiling it.

Craziness!

I blame the media. I was on lunch break and watched a clip from the Today Show. They had Dr. Oz teaching how to properly wash your hands, some other Dr on how to properly use hand sanitizer; they had a Today Show host showing what disinfectants and cleaning supplies to purchase and another host showing what foods to stock for at least a 2-week supply.

Craziness!

[n david]

One of the higher-ups in my agency just told me that she recently flew back from the west coast and had a short layover in Seattle, Washington. She was in the airport for about 45 minutes, switching gates. A couple days ago she asked her mother if she could help with her kids a few days during spring break.

Her mother says she saw on the news that a guy from North Carolina got the coronavirus from when he was in the Seattle, WA airport. Her mom is convinced that her daughter now has the virus and says she doesn't want them to come over until after at least 3 weeks.

[diakonos]

I remember a layover in LAX back in 2003. I used a bathroom that didn’t have running water. No out of order sign. So, I didn’t wash my hands. The next morning I woke covered in red bumps. All over my legs and torso.

[Esaias]

Why the run on TP? My supervisor told me two different Costco stores were sold out of TP because people were filling up flat carts with it and water.

Is there an outbreak of dysentery that I didn't know about?

I read a couple weeks ago that a gang in South Korea stole pallets of TP.

I read a news article from Australia that stores are beginning to limit sales of TP because people are stockpiling it.

Craziness!

I blame the media. I was on lunch break and watched a clip from the Today Show. They had Dr. Oz teaching how to properly wash your hands, some other Dr on how to properly use hand sanitizer; they had a Today Show host showing what disinfectants and cleaning supplies to purchase and another host showing what foods to stock for at least a 2-week supply.

Craziness!

Two things at work here simultaneously:

1. If there is a mandatory quarantine in your area you may be stuck at home for up to a month or two or longer with no resupply, so stock up in case.

2. Others are stocking up so the shelves are emptying, so get it while you can because in a week or two it may be all gone.

A closed feedback loop.

[Esaias]

S Korea reporting actual mortality rate less than 1%. They have the highest test rate so their numbers make more sense to me.

Reporting in the US is a total joke and might as well be nonexistent.

There is a 5G component to all this as well, and the push for vaccines. Not to mention the outliers of China, Iran, and Italy.

China is the #1 place to die from TB. Iran is a target and they have a disproportionate number of government leaders infected. Italy? Remember last year I reported how they discovered the MMR vaccine had no actual vaccine but did have a complete human genome in it? So Italy was about to say no to vaccines and well that's been taken care of now....

[n david]

I remember a layover in LAX back in 2003. I used a bathroom that didn’t have running water. No out of order sign. So, I didn’t wash my hands. The next morning I woke covered in red bumps. All over my legs and torso.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ozmcaOBoLSY2k/giphy.gif

[diakonos]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ozmcaOBoLSY2k/giphy.gif

WHat?

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ozmcaOBoLSY2k/giphy.gif

Yes, I know have to wash that picture out of my brain with gasoline and a blow torch.

[coksiw]

S Korea reporting actual mortality rate less than 1%. They have the highest test rate so their numbers make more sense to me.

Reporting in the US is a total joke and might as well be nonexistent.

There is a 5G component to all this as well, and the push for vaccines. Not to mention the outliers of China, Iran, and Italy.

China is the #1 place to die from TB. Iran is a target and they have a disproportionate number of government leaders infected. Italy? Remember last year I reported how they discovered the MMR vaccine had no actual vaccine but did have a complete human genome in it? So Italy was about to say no to vaccines and well that's been taken care of now....

Those mortality rate numbers are meant to keep people calm.

These are the hard numbers: 16% of people that get the virus with symptoms do have at least serious illness. 95% of the people with the serious illness die, and 99% of people with the critical illness die.
The death rate is around 15%.

A more accurate rate is the outcome:

died / (recovered + died)

The pending cases are not relevant to the death rate, but somehow, the media and govt includes them to water down the actual rate.

Now, I know that outcome rate is not perfect because of the timing of infection but it is more accurate than died / total sick.

S Korea:

Cases=6,593; Recovered=135; Died=42.
Rate looking only to the outcome: 42/(135+42) = 23%.

The weakness in this method is that the numbers are not large enough to be significant. The global rate, which has larger numbers is ~5%

I would say the best rate so far is 15%, based on probability of making it after getting into a serious condition.

[diakonos]

Ok, so I realized that I didn’t catch a case at LAX. When I walked through the carpet and looked down at my white socks they were covered in black dots. Turns out my friend’s home was infested with FLEAS.

[Esaias]

Those mortality rate numbers are meant to keep people calm.

These are the hard numbers: 16% of people that get the virus with symptoms do have at least serious illness. 95% of the people with the serious illness die, and 99% of people with the critical illness die.
The death rate is around 15%.

A more accurate rate is the outcome:

died / (recovered + died)

The pending cases are not relevant to the death rate, but somehow, the media and govt includes them to water down the actual rate.

Now, I know that outcome rate is not perfect because of the timing of infection but it is more accurate than died / total sick.

S Korea:

Cases=6,593; Recovered=135; Died=42.
Rate looking only to the outcome: 42/(135+42) = 23%.

The weakness in this method is that the numbers are not large enough to be significant. The global rate, which has larger numbers is ~5%

I would say the best rate so far is 15%, based on probability of making it after getting into a serious condition.

Those types of numbers are based on incomplete and manipulated datasets. As I said, S Korea has tested more people, and therefore they have a higher number of "confirmed infections". When that is taken into account, the fatality rate is less than 1%, on par with a severe influenza epidemic.

The high double-digit fatality rate numbers are based on small sample size: the only people tested outside of S Korea are those presenting to hospital with serious symptoms plus a few "contacts" thrown in. Plus people are comparing recovered to fatal cases while wholly ignoring TOTAL cases (the 99% who get it and never even notice it or who self-treat and get better, never presenting to hospital). The sample size is therefore naturally biased to high mortality. If for example we only counted flu patients who go to hospital, the death rate from flu would scare the bandwidth out of your ISP. But if you add in all the people who get flu and have mild or even no symptoms at all, the death rate drops below 1%. This is also true of Covid19, and is seen from the data in S Korea.

The cruise ships are another indicator. Several passengers test positive, the whole ship is on quarantine, and at the end less than 50% of passemgers are positive (indicating the infection rate is actually lower than was originally thought as a quarantined ship is like a prison where illness spreads like wildfire). Then, how many of the cruise ship passengers have died? If 16% of the cruise ship passengers were dead or dying I think it would be all over the internet.

An infectious disease with a literal 16% mortality demands immediate martial law lockdown that would make even China blush. So either all western governments are intentionally genociding their own populations and wiping themselves out, OR they realise this outbreak is not what the internet and media fear mongers are saying it is. Either that or the governments, CDC, and Pentagon are dumb as rocks and internet "experts" and tv newscasters know more than they do. Options 1 and 2 are far more plausible than option 3. Option 1 if true means each of us must self quarantine immediately for 2-6 months minimum in order to survive, and then it's Mad Max survival of the fittest. Option 2 is the only one of those 3 that makes sense of all real data that is available.

And all that assumes this is even a thing. The test used is the one developed for HIV, and the Nobel prize winning developer of that test said it is useless for determing infections. The CDC and others are supposedly testing using the internet-published coronavirus gene sequence, provided by the Communist Party of China. Instead of having actual samples of the virus on hand to test against.

Whatever and however things turn out, don't get on the CDC-FEMA bus and don't take the "cure-shot" that Bill Gates is going to be offering shortly. :thumbsup

[Amanah]

Get Ready for COVID-19 Now
Consult with your health care provider for more information about monitoring your health for symptoms suggestive of COVID-19.

Have supplies on hand
Contact your healthcare provider to ask about obtaining extra necessary medications to have on hand in case there is an outbreak of COVID-19 in your community and you need to stay home for a prolonged period of time.
If you cannot get extra medications, consider using mail-order for medications.
Be sure you have over-the-counter medicines and medical supplies (tissues, etc.) to treat fever and other symptoms. Most people will be able to recover from COVID-19 at home.

Have enough household items and groceries on hand so that you will be prepared to stay at home for a period of time.
Avoid close contact with people who are sick
If COVID-19 is spreading in your community, take extra measures to put distance between yourself and other people
Stay home as much as possible.
Consider ways of getting food brought to your house through family, social, or commercial networks
Avoid crowds, especially in poorly ventilated spaces


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html?fbclid=IwAR1yiRgfbue1_QBFCevW4d 8VOAh2Skt3jGjyk844jVDOTocOGhciXv9dE10

[Esaias]

Published on Jun 18, 2010
In January 2010, Project Camelot received 11 pages of information from an insider who was physically present at a meeting of Senior Masons in the City of London in 2005. What was discussed is chilling to the bone.



What our source reports is this:



* There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.



* It is planned to begin with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into fear and chaos - all carefully engineered.



* The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.



* During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, "China will catch a cold". Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.



* This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the "real" war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.



This horrific scenario has been planned for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse - as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-planned financial collapse of October 2008.



As if all this were not enough, our source speculates this is all set against the backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" - the same kind of event as was experienced by our ancestors approximately 11,500 years ago. If this event occurs - not necessarily expected in 2012, but sometime in the next decade - it would destroy civilization as we know it, dwarfing even the effects of a nuclear war.



I asked the question to our source: If there's an expected catastrophe, then why initiate a Third World War? His answer, for the first time to me, made terrible sense.



The real goal, he explained, is to set up the post-catastrophic world. To ensure that this "New World" [note the term] is the one the controllers want, totalitarian control structures need to be in place when the catastrophe occurs - with an excuse that the populace will accept and demand them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWM51mTY_c

[n david]

meeting of Senior Masons in the City of London in 2005.

initiated within the next 18-24 months.

It appears the timeline is off.... Just a bit.

[TakingDominion]

it appears the timeline is off.... Just a bit.

l o l

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Arnold Strongman Compition was locked out to spectators!!!!
Because of the Coronavirus?????

What a scam!

State of Ohio made sure the Strongman competition was off limits to the general public. Boy, oh boy, thank you Ohio for protecting NO ONE!!!! From NOTHING!!!

What a joke, a bunch of government manipulation beyond belief. Meanwhile you can still breach all borders. Mexico, Florida, and Canada. Good job!!! I feel so safe! :happydance

[Evang.Benincasa]

Published on Jun 18, 2010
In January 2010, Project Camelot received 11 pages of information from an insider who was physically present at a meeting of Senior Masons in the City of London in 2005. What was discussed is chilling to the bone.



What our source reports is this:



* There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.



* It is planned to begin with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into fear and chaos - all carefully engineered.



* The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.



* During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, "China will catch a cold". Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.



* This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the "real" war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.



This horrific scenario has been planned for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse - as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-planned financial collapse of October 2008.



As if all this were not enough, our source speculates this is all set against the backdrop of a coming "geophysical event" - the same kind of event as was experienced by our ancestors approximately 11,500 years ago. If this event occurs - not necessarily expected in 2012, but sometime in the next decade - it would destroy civilization as we know it, dwarfing even the effects of a nuclear war.



I asked the question to our source: If there's an expected catastrophe, then why initiate a Third World War? His answer, for the first time to me, made terrible sense.



The real goal, he explained, is to set up the post-catastrophic world. To ensure that this "New World" [note the term] is the one the controllers want, totalitarian control structures need to be in place when the catastrophe occurs - with an excuse that the populace will accept and demand them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWM51mTY_c



The current plan is NOT on track, and probably WON’T work?????

But I need to know about it ANYWAY???

[Tithesmeister]

Jim Bakker is drawing the ire of the New York AG for selling a “cure” for coronavirus. https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-televangelist-jim-bakker-silver-solution-coronavirus

[Esaias]

It appears the timeline is off.... Just a bit.

Orwell's timeline was off just a bit too...

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have been going back and forth with the brethren here in Fort Lauderdale concerning the dreddeded coronavirus. My neighbor came across the street and tried to convince me to take his extra bottle of Listerine. Also instruction on how to wash my hands with a mixture of Listerine and gojo. Another friend of mine was telling me that they will be quranitining off the City of Fort Lauderdale. I said "I would like to see them try" Hardee har har. It would be easier for Donald trump to have a pizza party with members of ISIS then to tell the people of Broward County to all stay home until the local government tells them to go outside again. No way Jose, will that ever work. These people got places to go, and no bat eating Wu Tang Clan Shaw Bro's Kung Fu movie goers are going to keep the people of Broward home in homes with visqueen and ducted taped windows.

[Pressing-On]

Orwell's timeline was off just a bit too...

Esaias, You may have addressed this, but have you come across information on any concrete plans we have for changing our drug dependency on China? I am not seeing anything written on the subject.

And one time you posted a link where it is possible to obtain Vitamin C that isn’t made in China. Can you post that link again? I didn’t realize that China was largely producing our Vitamin C.

[Esaias]

Esaias, You may have addressed this, but have you come across information on any concrete plans we have for changing our drug dependency on China? I am not seeing anything written on the subject.

And one time you posted a link where it is possible to obtain Vitamin C that isn’t made in China. Can you post that link again? I didn’t realize that China was largely producing our Vitamin C.

There's a lot floating around on the net about that right now, with lots of assurances that the med supply wont be affected by the China Disruption. But, before this whole episode began, I had learned a LOT of meds as well as vitamins are sourced from China. A lot of vitamin c from China is actually GMO synthesised vitamin c, if I remember correctly. Ewww.

Here's vitamin c sourced from Scotland and non GMO: https://www.dsm.com/products/quali-c/en_US/homepage.html

"With our plant in the green hills of Scotland, we are the only western vitamin C manufacturer and we offer the world's premium range of pure vitamin C forms."

Here's a source: https://inteligentvitaminc.com/cart/index.php?main_page=down_for_maintenance

Edit: Down for maintenance due to a shortage (ie everyone is buying it up)

[Esaias]

Several different sources of Scotland "Quali-C" vitamin c I checked are out of stock or on backorder due to the demand (China is using Vitamin c to treat covid19 patients). This one claims it will be back online on the 10th: https://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/products/quicksilver-scientific-liposomal-vitamin-c-quali-c/

[Esaias]

There's a lot floating around on the net about that right now, with lots of assurances that the med supply wont be affected by the China Disruption. But, before this whole episode began, I had learned a LOT of meds as well as vitamins are sourced from China. A lot of vitamin c from China is actually GMO synthesised vitamin c, if I remember correctly. Ewww.

Here's vitamin c sourced from Scotland and non GMO: https://www.dsm.com/products/quali-c/en_US/homepage.html

"With our plant in the green hills of Scotland, we are the only western vitamin C manufacturer and we offer the world's premium range of pure vitamin C forms."

Here's a source: https://inteligentvitaminc.com/cart/index.php?main_page=down_for_maintenance

Edit: Down for maintenance due to a shortage (ie everyone is buying it up)

Just checked again, they are now taking orders but rationing (1 per order).

[Esaias]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eGpTySUzYvc/UM6P5IY5P7I/AAAAAAAAEYE/BO33vE8CGrg/s640/Ronald-Reagan-Quote.jpg

[Esaias]

A side note: When we read about this or that scientific study being published etc etc, we need to question a few things and notice a few things.

Here's an example: the following paper was published providing a history of alternative scientific explanations for AIDS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172096/

If you go there you will see a big "RETRACTION" notice recently put up. The retraction itself is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830318/?report=reader

Notice the following:

"In 2014, Frontiers in Public Health published an article by Dr. Patricia Goodson, Texas A&M University: “Questioning the HIV-AIDS hypothesis: 30 years of dissent”.

The article was submitted under our “Hypothesis and Theory” article-type and purported to review “the most salient questions raised, alongside theories proposing non-viral causes for AIDS.” The utility of the article as a historical summary of dissenting theories of AIDS was recognized by the reviewers and editors, who accepted the article for publication. Within days, several formal complaints were received by our office, and, in accordance with our complaints protocol, we submitted these to a group of Editors-in-Chief for their expert opinion. Based on their advice, Frontiers took three actions:

The article-type was changed to “Opinion” to better reflect the subjectivity of the subject matter and to clarify to the scientific community and broader readership that the work was not one of empirical basis.

Most importantly, several invited critical commentaries were published and linked directly to the published opinion article. These commentaries situated the original paper within the context of unsupported, fringe theories on HIV-AIDS. They were intended to ensure that all readers understand that the causal link between HIV and AIDS cannot be called into question.

Frontiers published a statement to clarify our decision concerning the above two points.

At the time, Frontiers intended that by classifying the publication as an “Opinion” with the critical commentaries would offset the potential risk that AIDS denialists would misrepresent the publication as scientific evidence to support their discredited claims. These efforts proved to be both misguided and ineffectual. The critical commentaries went largely unheeded while the original paper continued to attract attention. Since publication in September 2014, the paper has generated more than 91,800 views and continues to be shared on social media. By contrast, the two critical commentaries have generated less than 19,000 views between them.

In September 2018, Frontiers appointed a new Field Chief Editor to Frontiers in Public Health, Dr. Paolo Vineis of Imperial College, London. Since then, we have received new complaints, and we reopened the evaluation of the publication of Dr. Goodson's article. Our conclusion today is that the continued attention that this article garners of which almost none consider the necessary context provided in the critical commentaries itself presents a potential public health risk by lending credibility to refuted claims that place doubt on the HIV causation of AIDS. For these reasons, the editorial office of Frontiers and Field Chief Editor of Frontiers in Public Health retract this article. The author disagrees with the retraction."

In other words, some people didn't like the original paper, complained, and the publisher bowed to pressure and tried to "correct the record" ie steer the readers' opinions toward the publisher's bias. Nobody really cared about their attempt to tell people what to think of the article so they issued a full blown retraction. How's that for scientific objectivity?

Remember: "They were intended to ensure that all readers understand that the causal link between HIV and AIDS cannot be called into question."

A scientific claim "cannot be called into question." Science has been replaced with a religion of "scientism" with UNQUESTIONABLE DOGMAS. Absolute proof that the medical establishment demands UNTHINKING BLIND OBEDIENCE. Which is good solid evidence they are run by LIARS AND SCAMMERS. Classic cult behaviour.

[Amanah]

Fox news and the republican party keep repeating the mantra, "wash your hands and calm down, there is nothing to see here," while school campuses are closing, businesses are asking their people to work from home and Italy has 16 Million people under quarantine. Something isn't adding up.

Judge Jeanine slams media's coronavirus coverage: It's 'doomsday reporting'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-jeanine-pirro-slams-medias-coronavirus-coverage

Microsoft, Amazon and other tech firms urge employees to work from home to slow spread of coronavirus
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/some-seattle-tech-companies-tell-employees-to-work-from-home-to-slow-spread-of-coronavirus/

16 Million people in Italy under quarantine
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-italy-millions-lockdown-formula-1-princess-1491090

Colleges close classrooms
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/us/coronavirus-college-campus-closings.html

[n david]

Miracle: Coronavirus Passes Over Houses With Chick-Fil-A Sauce Smeared On Door Posts!!

https://babylonbee.com/news/coronavirus-passes-over-houses-with-cfa-sauce

[Evang.Benincasa]

Fox news and the republican party keep repeating the mantra, "wash your hands and calm down, there is nothing to see here," while school campuses are closing, businesses are asking their people to work from home and Italy has 16 Million people under quarantine. Something isn't adding up.

Judge Jeanine slams media's coronavirus coverage: It's 'doomsday reporting'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-jeanine-pirro-slams-medias-coronavirus-coverage

Microsoft, Amazon and other tech firms urge employees to work from home to slow spread of coronavirus
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/some-seattle-tech-companies-tell-employees-to-work-from-home-to-slow-spread-of-coronavirus/

16 Million people in Italy under quarantine
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-italy-millions-lockdown-formula-1-princess-1491090

Colleges close classrooms
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/us/coronavirus-college-campus-closings.html

https://media.tenor.com/images/99bf96284fb7e3c354b274e849ca822e/tenor.gif

[Evang.Benincasa]

Make sure you wash your hands!!!


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SickHonestConch-small.gif

[diakonos]

Make sure you wash your hands!!!


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SickHonestConch-small.gif

Is that when they went for Elian Gonzalez?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Is that when they went for Elian Gonzalez?

No, but Elian is happy waiting on long lines for toilet paper.

https://media.nbcmiami.com/2019/09/edt-AP100405138767.jpg?resize=850%2C478

[diakonos]

No, but Elian is happy waiting on long lines for toilet paper.

https://media.nbcmiami.com/2019/09/edt-AP100405138767.jpg?resize=850%2C478

Yeah, he became Fidel Castro’s golden boy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yeah, he became Fidel Castro’s golden boy.

Communism failed.

[diakonos]

Communism failed.


But they have an excellent education system.



https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/b3/27/bfb3278ed39da56605560ce6f591b8a7.jpg

[Esaias]

The mainstream media, state and national health officials, the alternative media, are all reporting on this Event. Multiple contradictory conclusions and projections and proposed courses of action are being put forward by everyone under the sun.

Question: where is everybody getting their data from? Is there A source for all the data that's driving all the various paradigms? Is that source actually credible? Enquiring minds want to know...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where are the protesters? Do they still have their organs?

[n david]

Cruz and others in self imposed quarantine after interactions with someone at CPAC who had the virus.

The past couple weeks there were libs "joking" about getting the virus and deliberately going to a Trump rally to try and get Trump supporters, even Trump himself, sick.

The news report started this person was tested and confirmed positive with the virus before the conference. That means the person knew and went anyway. This was deliberate.

[coksiw]

The news report started this person was tested and confirmed positive with the virus before the conference. That means the person knew and went anyway. This was deliberate.

Wow, that was evil if it was intentional.

[coksiw]

https://www.wsj.com/video/china-deploys-drones-citizens-and-big-data-to-tackle-coronavirus/40590C07-FB56-46CE-8C25-72471A5ECD39.html?mod=trending_now_video_2

:/

[n david]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89252519_10216933834199257_4198828382974115840_n.j pg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQlbadMhzOFKncK6y-n3xzOsmXiOK9McqWFyxlIQETHuP1-y4ZzbE4nd8GrMo7qdHEg&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=4360a6a1274cc853bc461be82b4682ce&oe=5E8DFFB2

[Evang.Benincasa]

Does anyone know if anyone had the coronavirus at BOTT?

[n david]

Other CPAC attendees who were in contact with infected person:

- Rep Louie Gohmert;
- Ronna McDaniel
- Michael Knowles
- Kay James
- KellyAnne Conway
- Betsy Devos
- Rep Matt Gaetz
- Diamond/Silk

[n david]

Does anyone know if anyone had the coronavirus at BOTT?
It wasn't a physical virus at BOTT -- the demonic hounds of hell were unleashed because of a woman's testimony.

See what happens when you let a woman preach/speak?!? :heeheehee

[diakonos]

Does anyone know if anyone had the coronavirus at BOTT?

:lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

It wasn't a physical virus at BOTT -- the demonic hounds of hell were unleashed because of a woman's testimony.

See what happens when you let a woman preach/speak?!? :heeheehee

Was the woman struggling with a coronavirus spirit?

[diakonos]

See what happens when you let a woman preach/speak?!? :heeheehee

Well..,

[n david]

Add Rep. Doug Collins to the self-imposed quarantine due to the CPAC exposure.

[Esaias]

Iran's Presidentwhateveryoucallit publicly announced coronavirus is a bioweapon, requests a response from the UN, and even mentioned HAARP...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1237072414841937920?s=20

[Praxeas]

So... has anybody here got any plans on dealing with an actual biological attack? Or just get on the train/bus to the government sponsored "happy safe place"?

Buy toilet paper?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Iran's Presidentwhateveryoucallit publicly announced coronavirus is a bioweapon, requests a response from the UN, and even mentioned HAARP...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1237072414841937920?s=20

We had a huge discussion yesterday at a resturant. Had people get up from their tables and join into our discussion. By the end we had about 25 people move over to where we were sitting. All talking about weaponized viruses and not just harp. But 5G. How from the Keys to Jacksonville we have cell towers and how (whoever) can dial in these antennas to activate these viruses? But my main point to all of these good folks were, who benefits? Everything in the human experience is about gains and losses. Who wins, and who loses. So, who stands to gain? I can see a virus unleashed against American flag waving Chinamen in Hong Kong. I can see whose to gain there. Iran, I can see how there are folks who would gain by turning that country into a ghost town with some Zombie activating disease. But, the United States? Italy? What about Russia? How is the Bat eaters virus effecting the Kremlin? Tin foil hat wearers want to know.

[Barb]

It wasn't a physical virus at BOTT -- the demonic hounds of hell were unleashed because of a woman's testimony.

See what happens when you let a woman preach/speak?!? :heeheehee

Oh my stars!!! :foottap

[Esaias]

We had a huge discussion yesterday at a resturant. Had people get up from their tables and join into our discussion. By the end we had about 25 people move over to where we were sitting. All talking about weaponized viruses and not just harp. But 5G. How from the Keys to Jacksonville we have cell towers and how (whoever) can dial in these antennas to activate these viruses? But my main point to all of these good folks were, who benefits? Everything in the human experience is about gains and losses. Who wins, and who loses. So, who stands to gain? I can see a virus unleashed against American flag waving Chinamen in Hong Kong. I can see whose to gain there. Iran, I can see how there are folks who would gain by turning that country into a ghost town with some Zombie activating disease. But, the United States? Italy? What about Russia? How is the Bat eaters virus effecting the Kremlin? Tin foil hat wearers want to know.

Russia is apparently not really infected at all. Funny bout that.

The Wuhan Flu has resulted in the largest stock market crash in US history (so I hear) which means the Big Boys just wiped out billions from the economy while positioning themselves to buy cheap (happens every crash). Billions of $$$$ are going into "vaccine research". If enough people get scared a mandatory vaccine will be largely accepted and vaccine truthers will be potentially criminalised if not forcibly quarantined. Panic buyers make businesses lots of money. Like every "health emergency" Big Medical makes tons of money and tons of government slop to go around.

People are getting ready (and willing) for more Big Brother, surveillance, quarantines, etc to save us all from Black Death 2.0. Global economic disruption and World Health Organization telling everyone to dump cash because it spreads the DevilFlu, so another push towards cashless digital currency control.

On the plus side maybe more people will wake up to the national security threat posed by our reliance on Chinese-made meds and products.

Never let a crisis go to waste, and make one up if you need to, etc.

[Nicodemus1968]

It wasn't a physical virus at BOTT -- the demonic hounds of hell were unleashed because of a woman's testimony.

See what happens when you let a woman preach/speak?!? :heeheehee

I’m glad to read your starting to believe in the spirit realm.

[diakonos]

I’m glad to read your starting to believe in the spirit realm.

Oh my heck

[Esaias]

New SARS-like virus can jump directly from bats to humans, no treatment available
Date:
November 10, 2015
Source:
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Journal Reference:

Vineet D Menachery, Boyd L Yount, Kari Debbink, Sudhakar Agnihothram, Lisa E Gralinski, Jessica A Plante, Rachel L Graham, Trevor Scobey, Xing-Yi Ge, Eric F Donaldson, Scott H Randell, Antonio Lanzavecchia, Wayne A Marasco, Zhengli-Li Shi, Ralph S Baric. A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. Nature Medicine, 2015; DOI: 10.1038/nm.3985

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm

[Esaias]

Zheng-Li Shi, one of the reaerchers listed above:

"Shi Zhengli (simplified Chinese: 石正丽; traditional Chinese: 石正麗; born 26 May 1964) is a Chinese virologist and writer. She is a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which is part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). Shi and her colleague Cui Jie found that the SARS virus originated in bats."

https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli

[Esaias]

"Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. "

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

[Esaias]

In other words, some scientists in the USA (including a Chinese virologist working with a Wuhan biolab) intentionally engineered a bat virus to be SARS-on-steroids with no cure or vaccine, in 2015.

Now we have exactly that (supposedly) that broke out in Wuhan and is spreading globally. Per existing data, 100% of earth's population will be infected with this virus by May-July.

Taiwan has one of their virologists claiming they have evidence the Wuhan coronavirus originated in the US, and that it has likely been circulating in the US from at least last year, with many deaths blamed on "e-cigarettes" ie vaping and others buried in flu-pneumonia statistics.

Hmmm...

[shag]

In other words, some scientists in the USA (including a Chinese virologist working with a Wuhan biolab) intentionally engineered a bat virus to be SARS-on-steroids with no cure or vaccine, in 2015.

Now we have exactly that (supposedly) that broke out in Wuhan and is spreading globally. Per existing data, 100% of earth's population will be infected with this virus by May-July.

Taiwan has one of their virologists claiming they have evidence the Wuhan coronavirus originated in the US, and that it has likely been circulating in the US from at least last year, with many deaths blamed on "e-cigarettes" ie vaping and others buried in flu-pneumonia statistics.

Hmmm...

How do you think this CV will all play out?

[Esaias]

How do you think this CV will all play out?

I have no certain ideas. I honestly don't trust ANY of the so-called data, narrative, storyline, etc. I'm not in the inner circle of anyone who would know what's really going on.

I know a few things, though:

Media ALWAYS lies, incessantly, nonstop, about EVERY.SINGLE.THING.

Governments? Ditto.

CDC, FDA, and WHO are dangerous lying pathogenic corrupted mafia-like organisations which couldn't be trusted to supply a sterile q-tip much less handle anybody's health and well being.

Society's cures/solutions are almost ALWAYS worse than what they are claiming to cure/solve. Don't go to any camps and don't take any shots, no matter how bad "they" tell you it "is". jmo.

[votivesoul]

If you need to stock up on TP from your local Walmart, as I recently had to do, because people are more interested in wiping themselves than eating, apparently, go to the automotive department, in the RV supply aisle. Good chance there is toilet paper there, as there is at my Walmart where I am the department manager. It's rapid dissolving, good for septics. My store manager was able to order a pallet's worth since it comes through a different supply chain.

And if you worry you can't get any disinfecting wipes, here's what you do:

Get some lemon juice and some tea-tree oil and you can make your own, by adding them to some baby wipes.

To make a hand-sanitizer, just get some aloe vera gel and some isopropyl alcohol.

[Esaias]

Mar 06, 2020, 18:16ET

AUSTIN, TX (March 5, 2010) -- In a federal lawsuit filed by the non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), the Center for Disease Control (CDC) has conceded it has no scientific studies to back up its long-declared assertion that vaccines given to babies do not cause autism.

https://www.icandecide.org/ican_press/cdc-concedes-in-federal-court-it-does-not-have-studies-to-support-its-claim-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

[KeptByTheWord]

New research from the University of Southampton has found that copper can effectively help to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, which are linked to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm

[KeptByTheWord]

Copper can effectively help to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, which are linked to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), new research shows. Animal coronaviruses that 'host jump' to humans, such as SARS and MERS, result in severe infections with high mortality. Researchers found that a closely-related human coronavirus - 229E - can remain infectious on common surface materials for several days, but is rapidly destroyed on copper. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm


So if this is the case, why is the government not offering copper as an alternative for fighting this virus?

Here is a great option, a copper e-cloth.... https://www.thelaundress.com/copper-cloth.html

[KeptByTheWord]

However, rapid inactivation, irreversible destruction of viral RNA, and massive structural damage were observed in coronavirus exposed to copper and copper alloy surfaces. Incorporation of copper alloy surfaces in conjunction with effective cleaning regimens and good clinical practice could help to control transmission of respiratory coronaviruses, including MERS and SARS. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283685229_Human_Coronavirus_229E_Remains_Infectiou s_on_Common_Touch_Surface_Materials

[n david]

The NCAA just announced that the "March Madness" Men's Basketball tournament will be limited to essential personnel and family only. No public fans will be allowed to the games.

Tonight, an NBA game between Golden State and Brooklyn will be played in an empty arena with only essential personnel allowed.

POTUS is addressing the nation at 9PM EST/6PM PST.

[n david]

My state agency has a quarterly meeting where there are typically a few hundred in attendance. They're allowing people to call-in this time instead of attending in person. I'll be teleconferencing. Wish I could every time. I hate dealing with morning rush hour traffic going downtown.

[n david]

The Big Ten Conference has announced that beginning tomorrow, it is limiting winter/spring sports attendance to players, coaches essential personnel and immediate family of players. Michigan has cancelled its spring football game. I'm sure other schools will follow suit.

[n david]

AZ Gov declared a public health emergency within the past hour.

[Esaias]

What is the point of a big sports event if there's literally no audience? Hopefully the overbloated Sports Industrial Complex will collapse and be done with.

[Esaias]

The test being used in the US and I believe in Europe is the PCR test. Kary Mullins, Nobel prizewinner who developed the test, has been on record for DECADES saying the test CANNOT BE USED TO DETERMINE INFECTION, but only that a person MAY HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY EXPOSED to some particular virus.

Then there's the fact that many virologists believe viruses are NOT foreign pathogens at all but native cellular responses to various conditions (including disease).

China uses CT scans of the lungs to diagnose patients.

All the outbreaks seem clustered around recent 5G rollouts. Apparently 5G emf radiation produces flu-like symptoms along with dry cough, suppresses immune function, and can severely exacerbate underlying conditions and existing illness.

Epstein didn't kill himself, either.

[Esaias]

Primarily Jewish community in New York under quarantine (New Rochelle). Keeping stuff from getting out? Or from getting in?

[Esaias]

Copper can effectively help to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, which are linked to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), new research shows. Animal coronaviruses that 'host jump' to humans, such as SARS and MERS, result in severe infections with high mortality. Researchers found that a closely-related human coronavirus - 229E - can remain infectious on common surface materials for several days, but is rapidly destroyed on copper. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm


So if this is the case, why is the government not offering copper as an alternative for fighting this virus?

Here is a great option, a copper e-cloth.... https://www.thelaundress.com/copper-cloth.html

Thank you for the article. Fascinating! :thumbsup

[Truthseeker]

The coronavirus hype is getting nuts

[TakingDominion]

What is the point of a big sports event if there's literally no audience? Hopefully the overbloated Sports Industrial Complex will collapse and be done with.

Yeeeaahhh... That ain't happening anytime soon...

[Esaias]

Yeeeaahhh... That ain't happening anytime soon...

Well apparently the NBA has been suspended until ?

[n david]

Well apparently the NBA has been suspended until ?

Remember before the start of the season last year, the NBA sticks up for China during the HK protests....

And look how China repays them... Wuhan suspended their season!

[Esaias]

Trump cancels flights to/from Europe (except UK???), a lot of people saying he seemed a bit ill during his address.

Tom Hanks and wife say they are coronavirus positive (is he this generation's Liberace?)...

Denver International had 1-2 hour no fly zone over it, people speculating Continuity of Government operations underway (key persons/elite headed to the bunkers).

US blames Iran for attack in Iraq that kills 2 US servicemembers and tensions escalating.

Anybody remember that plane awhile back that disappeared over the ocean, some Malaysian flight with all the virologists and scientists on board?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Wakanda King T'Challa, has ordered that their force field shields be placed back up. He has also instructed that all non Wakanians be escorted out of the country. Shipments of Vibranium have been halted due to the coronavirus. Still coronavirus is morphing into yet another strain of the virus. Meanwhile Doctor's Hank Pym, and Stephen Strange have found out (through the viruses HIV signature) that the virus was developed somewhere in North Carolina. It was then taken from Wakanda to be sold to the Chinese during a weapons deal with weapons dealer, Ulysses Smeagol Klaw. Rush Limbaugh special agent and part time radio entertainer. Has brought forth breaking news that the virus is the equivalent as having a mild case of radiation poisoning. Meanwhile in Broward County Florida, five unknown people have contracted the coronavirus. These five people are thought to be employees of a Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria located in Chevy Chase Maryland. It was also leaked to the proper authorities that Hillary Clinton knows these five people and that she had obtained them visas. They originator from Wakanda. They were personally identified by one Steve Urkel, who surprisingly is related to Wakandan King T'Challa. A preacher who will remain nameless at this time, plans on bringing all this information forward when he preaches a revival in Belleview Florida, at an undisclosed church. A side note to all of this is that Wakandan King T'Challa will be shipping a hand cleanser, toilet paper, and soap which is endued with the essence of the heart-shaped herb. Governor Rich DeSantis of Florida will be the first to use the essence of the heart-shaped herb toilet paper.

[n david]

Trump cancels flights to/from Europe (except UK???), a lot of people saying he seemed a bit ill during his address.
I watched Trump's address. He seemed normal to me.

I have watched a few of VP Pence's pressers with the Wuhan Virus task force; and I've read and watched Trump's comments and address last night.

There's not much else this administration can do and yet libs and CNN/MSNBC especially continue to bash Trump and are doing everything they can to spread panic, fear and foment division.

They're happy the stock market has tanked and the virus is spreading.

Anybody remember that plane awhile back that disappeared over the ocean, some Malaysian flight with all the virologists and scientists on board?
I don't believe it. Lot of conspiracy theories out there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503469

[n david]

This broke yesterday afternoon:

"""Governor Gavin Newsom announced that California public health officials this evening issued an updated policy on gatherings to protect public health and slow the spread of COVID-19. The state’s public health experts have determined that gatherings should be postponed or canceled across the state until at least the end of March. Non-essential gatherings must be limited to no more than 250 people, while smaller events can proceed only if the organizers can implement social distancing of 6 feet per person. Gatherings of individuals who are at higher risk for severe illness from COVID-19 should be limited to no more than 10 people, while also following social distancing guidelines."""

"""The state’s updated policy defines a “gathering” as any event or convening that brings together people in a single room or single space at the same time, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, cafeteria, or any other indoor or outdoor space.

This guidance applies to all non-essential professional, social and community gatherings regardless of their sponsor."""

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/03/11/california-public-health-experts-mass-gatherings-should-be-postponed-or-canceled-statewide-to-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/

Below is the link to the official policy guidance. I do not see anything about Churches or Synagogues, Mosques, etc.

"""The California Department of Public Health finds the following:
• Large gatherings that include 250 people or more should be postponed or canceled.
o This includes gatherings such as concerts, conferences, and professional, college, and school sporting events.
• Smaller gatherings held in venues that do not allow social distancing of six feet per person should be postponed or canceled.
o This includes gatherings in crowded auditoriums, rooms or other venues.
• Gatherings of individuals who are at higher risk for severe illness from COVID-19 should be limited to no more than 10 people.
o This includes gatherings such as those at retirement facilities, assisted living facilities, developmental homes, and support groups for people with health conditions.
• A “gathering” is any event or convening that brings together people in a single room or single space at the same time, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, cafeteria, or any other indoor or outdoor space.

This applies to all non-essential professional, social, and community gatherings regardless of their sponsor. Gatherings that do not meet the aforementioned criteria should only be conducted when they are essential—that is, if the activity is essential and could not be postponed or achieved without gathering, meaning that some other means of communication could not be used to conduct the essential function"""

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/Gathering_Guidance_03.11.20.pdf

[n david]

AZ Gov declared a public health emergency within the past hour.

My state agency has a quarterly meeting where there are typically a few hundred in attendance. They're allowing people to call-in this time instead of attending in person. I'll be teleconferencing. Wish I could every time. I hate dealing with morning rush hour traffic going downtown.

Due to the Gov's public health emergency declaration, my agency's quarterly meeting has now been changed to a teleconference. Fine with me! :thumbsup

[Esaias]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xewturTGY6E

[Amanah]

Cristina Higgins
March 10 at 6:27 PM ·

I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here.
I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance,
today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion.
And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.
If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”
There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU –
and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.
When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.”
Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.
Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down,
the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care.
What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war.
This will only get worse. There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days.
What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients
– 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings,
stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities –
there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.
Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.
Please share.
https://www.facebook.com/cristina.higgins.7/posts/10157623212885189

***************

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is currently in Italy with his wife, told “America’s Newsroom” Thursday that “Italy itself did not do what President Trump’s trying to do” to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
Gingrich, whose wife Callista serves as U.S. ambassador to the Holy See, spoke the morning after Trump announced that he will enact a 30-day ban on all travel to and from Europe, excluding the United Kingdom, in an effort to slow the virus' spread. Trump also urged Americans to listen to directives from their local officials, including bans on mass gatherings and social distancing protocols.
On Thursday Italy reported more than 12,400 cases, a 22.7 percent increase from the day before, according to information obtained by Fox News.
“Italy did not get ahead of this crisis,” Gingrich said on Thursday. “It allowed it to spread in a way that is really frightening.”

On Wednesday, one day after unprecedented travel and social restrictions in Italy took effect, the country’s premier said all stores, except pharmacies and grocery stores, are being closed nationwide in response to the outbreak.
Gas stations were not included in the order mandating which businesses will be forced to close and on Wednesday Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced no new restrictions on using public transportation. People in Italy are allowed to travel for work, medical appointments or to care for family members in need.
“Northern Italy has thousands of cases and, in fact, there are several hospitals that are refusing to treat elderly citizens because they don't have enough intensive care units and they don't have enough ventilators and so they’ve literally begun to triage and said, 'Look, if you’re above a certain age or you have a certain health condition, we’re just not going to treat you,'” Gingrich said on Thursday.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/newt-gingrich-italy-coronavirus-outbreak-trump

[Esaias]

So many random people on the internet telling everybody "what's really going on" and all of them suggesting we do what statist control freaks would love for us to do. So yeah, Christina Who?

(Nothing personal against you, sister, it's just we need to really question the info being fed to us and by whom.)

[Tithesmeister]

So many random people on the internet telling everybody "what's really going on" and all of them suggesting we do what statist control freaks would love for us to do. So yeah, Christina Who?

(Nothing personal against you, sister, it's just we need to really question the info being fed to us and by whom.)

:thumbsup
You can make the best of decisions, based on poor information, and it is a bad decision. Your decisions are only as good as the information that you base them on.

[Esaias]

:thumbsup
You can make the best of decisions, based on poor information, and it is a bad decision. Your decisions are only as good as the information that you base them on.

This.

And what are the sources of all the info we're getting? Are they reliable? Do they have a thoroughly documented proven history of lying and deceiving?

Like I've said, the MAIN issue is the Official Response to whatever they're telling us is going on more than what's "happening".

[Amanah]

In Italy, according to the eyewitness accounts I posted above, the healthcare system is collapsing.
They are having to do triage and are not treating the elderly because they can not treat everyone.

I told my husband, I had a dream that our healthcare system collapsed, the national guard was called out, and we elected a communist for president.

[n david]

Maternity wards are going to be PACKED OUT in 9 or 10 months with all these sports cancelling/suspending seasons....

We figured out that if stores are sold out of TP, don't worry, you can just walk in to any store bathroom and get a roll for free! It'll take a few minutes to unroll it from the dispenser ... but it's there!

[Esaias]

Speaking of random anecdotes...

A friend of our family who is National Guard (74D) said he's heard literally nothing except what's on the news. Either he's under strict orders not to tip off anybody he cares about, or he's being kept in the dark, or... there's not actually anything extraordinary going on (at the moment, anyway).

[n david]

There's some good news -- WA, OH, MD, KY and PA have all ordered public schools to close temporarily.

[diakonos]

There's some good news -- WA, OH, MD, KY and PA have all ordered public schools to close temporarily.

That’s good news?

[n david]

That’s good news?
Somewhat. It would be better news if public schools were just shut down, not just temporarily.

[Esaias]

Somewhat. It would be better news if public schools were just shut down, not just temporarily.

:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

Due to the Gov's public health emergency declaration, my agency's quarterly meeting has now been changed to a teleconference. Fine with me! :thumbsup

I hear that the Avengers will no longer be meeting at their headquarters, due to the small area of the meeting room. Batman will no longer allow school field trips to the Batcave. The Daily Planet is reporting that the Antichrist "Donald J Trump" will be stopping flights from Europe, Wakanda, Atlantis, and Asgard, to Dogpatch USA. Abner Yokum, will be appointed by the POTUS to direct all health service jobs to the wimmenfolk. Since they are best suited to that kind of labor. Mammy Yokum was appointed to figure out how to help all those who are now in peril of losing their income down in Broward County Florida due to the entire cruise ship industry has been stopped. Lois Lane has put together a interesting article on how 5G causes the virus to bloom, and spread faster over in Italy and Iran. A Possum by the name of Pogo had his morning talk show canceled because he stated "we have met the enemy and he is us" Alluding to the sudden hysteria is being perpetrated by media disinformation. This caused him to lose his top sponsor. Rock'em Sock'em Robots. An individual by the name of Gumby, was interviewed by Brenda Starr from his Miami China Fish Export company because he claimed the coronavirus was a distraction by big government, and big pharma? But the interview was somehow lost?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Somewhat. It would be better news if public schools were just shut down, not just temporarily.

I hear Charlie Brown, Peter Parker, and Archie Andrews, are no longer going to attend school until the cafeteria stops serving bat, snake, and cat meat.

[Tithesmeister]

I hear Charlie Brown, Peter Parker, and Archie Andrews, are no longer going to attend school until the cafeteria stops serving bat, snake, and cat meat.
As long as there’s food being served Jughead will be there.

[Evang.Benincasa]

As long as there’s food being served Jughead will be there.

Jughead is Iranian black ops.

[Tithesmeister]

Jughead is Iranian black ops.

What is your opinion of Sadie Hawkins?

[Evang.Benincasa]

What is your opinion of Sadie Hawkins?

She was actually disfigured by the coronavirus at its second to third stages. Since Dogpatch doesn't use toilet paper, or wash their hands. Mammy Yokum has straightened it all out since then. Making sure all hotels, restaurants, and varmint roadside eateries have employees wash their hands and feet with Lysol.

[Tithesmeister]

She was actually disfigured by the coronavirus at its second to third stages. Since Dogpatch doesn't use toilet paper, or wash their hands. Mammy Yokum has straightened it all out since then. Making sure all hotels, restaurants, and varmint roadside eateries have employees wash their hands and feet with Lysol.
:heeheehee
She was a looker though, in her day.

[Evang.Benincasa]

:heeheehee
She was a looker though, in her day.

She had a face like a foot.

[Nicodemus1968]

She had a face like a foot.

:heeheehee

[Tithesmeister]

She had a face like a foot.

:heeheehee

Yeah, but such a sweeeet personality.

[n david]

Jentezen Franklin announced that Free Chapel will be closing its campuses to the public this weekend and only broadcasting online.

I've read on FB that some churches in Dallas are doing the same.

I haven't heard of any A/P churches cancelling or postponing services yet.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Jentezen Franklin announced that Free Chapel will be closing its campuses to the public this weekend and only broadcasting online.

I've read on FB that some churches in Dallas are doing the same.

I haven't heard of any A/P churches cancelling or postponing services yet.

Also Jack Sparrow will not be sailing anywhere near Ching Shih's pirate vessel.
Edward Teach, as well as Hector Barbossa well not be allowed to dock at Port Everglades, until the Coast Guard clears their vessels for the coronavirus.

[Whoop Harted]

Some good is coming out of this.....

I heard tell that every mormon church in the world is canceling services and only doing them on line!!!

[Whoop Harted]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mormon-church-cancels-services-world-wide-amid-coronavirus-crisis-11584054479

[KeptByTheWord]

We just received the census in the mail today. I wonder how the virus is going to affect the census takers as they have to go home to home to gather information. Has there ever been a global pandemic in a census taking year?

[KeptByTheWord]

There's some good news -- WA, OH, MD, KY and PA have all ordered public schools to close temporarily.

Not sure where you got your information, but in WA, only Seattle-area public schools are closed.

https://www.kxly.com/i/inslee-orders-all-greater-seattle-area-schools-to-close/

[Barb]

I have some comments and questions for the elders/pastors among us…

As of 11:00 pm last evening our governor here in Michigan has ordered all schools to close until April 3rd for the safety of all. Dr. Fauci said on GMA moments ago that while this doesn’t seem to be effecting children if exposed to Covid-19 it could be carried to grandma or whoever… he also said that before this thing is contained it could be up to another 8 weeks at the least.

So here is where I am going… my pastor’s wife told me last night the pastor in Spain (can’t think of his name) has canceled services for a time because of the virus. Others of us may have to do the same. I know in caring for my 89 year old mother we may just do SS and not the 11 am service due to our church running over 2,000…

I think these things are appropriate measures, however… this was posted by someone last night, “We’re about to see who the real Apostolics are in America. The early church would’ve went to prison before they shut down worship.”

Because I didn’t want to confront an elder online I didn’t respond, but can y’all help me here?

Didn’t the 1st Church in the beginning worship from house to house? And if the state or feds want to limit spreading this is it wrong to ask us to limit the size or even to suspend meetings for a time? And isn’t doing the above and closing all houses of worship on a permanent level two different things?

For the record: NO ONE can shut down my worship!!! My worship is not based on where I am or if my pastor is preaching!!! While we should forsake not the assembling of ourselves, I don't believe I’m not going to yon lower regions if required to make temporary adjustments. If that is what people think then we have a lot of religiosity and lack a personal relationship with God.

We are SO spoiled! America has no real conception of the things third-world endure on a daily basis. So our store shelves are bare… how many of us have to walk miles for a jug of water, carrying it home on our heads? We may have to endure hardship, but it is my prayer that the Church can set the example of enduring this with some dignity.

Sorry for the long post… one more point regarding church services, Bro. Bernard sent out this letter in part, “…we will follow the recommendations or instructions of governmental and health officials. The appropriate district board or ministry committee will make any decision to postpone or cancel a meeting. Local churches may need to consider options for small group meetings, online services, and electronic contributions.”

What say ye?

[n david]

Not sure where you got your information, but in WA, only Seattle-area public schools are closed.

https://www.kxly.com/i/inslee-orders-all-greater-seattle-area-schools-to-close/

Headline on Twitter didn't give full story. Gov Inslee ordered closures in 3 counties: King, Pierce and Snohomish counties closed until April 24th. It's not just Seattle area public schools.

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/inslee-orders-all-private-public-k-12-schools-in-king-pierce-snohomish-counties-to-close-through-april-24/

[Nicodemus1968]

I have some comments and questions for the elders/pastors among us…

As of 11:00 pm last evening our governor here in Michigan has ordered all schools to close until April 3rd for the safety of all. Dr. Fauci said on GMA moments ago that while this doesn’t seem to be effecting children if exposed to Covid-19 it could be carried to grandma or whoever… he also said that before this thing is contained it could be up to another 8 weeks at the least.

So here is where I am going… my pastor’s wife told me last night the pastor in Spain (can’t think of his name) has canceled services for a time because of the virus. Others of us may have to do the same. I know in caring for my 89 year old mother we may just do SS and not the 11 am service due to our church running over 2,000…

I think these things are appropriate measures, however… this was posted by someone last night, “We’re about to see who the real Apostolics are in America. The early church would’ve went to prison before they shut down worship.”

Because I didn’t want to confront an elder online I didn’t respond, but can y’all help me here?

Didn’t the 1st Church in the beginning worship from house to house? And if the state or feds want to limit spreading this is it wrong to ask us to limit the size or even to suspend meetings for a time? And isn’t doing the above and closing all houses of worship on a permanent level two different things?

For the record: NO ONE can shut down my worship!!! My worship is not based on where I am or if my pastor is preaching!!! While we should forsake not the assembling of ourselves, I don't believe I’m not going to yon lower regions if required to make temporary adjustments. If that is what people think then we have a lot of religiosity and lack a personal relationship with God.

We are SO spoiled! America has no real conception of the things third-world endure on a daily basis. So our store shelves are bare… how many of us have to walk miles for a jug of water, carrying it home on our heads? We may have to endure hardship, but it is my prayer that the Church can set the example of enduring this with some dignity.

Sorry for the long post… one more point regarding church services, Bro. Bernard sent out this letter in part, “…we will follow the recommendations or instructions of governmental and health officials. The appropriate district board or ministry committee will make any decision to postpone or cancel a meeting. Local churches may need to consider options for small group meetings, online services, and electronic contributions.”

What say ye?

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

You mean to tell me you believe sicknesses and diseases are contagious?

Just by the media speaking this sickness out there and building it bigger than what it is, look how everyone is reacting! Tom Hanks and his Wife tested positive, and they’re taking selfies together! NBA stars tested positive and there doing fine being quarantined. Media speaks fear and loom what happens, it’s like the end of the world. Stores are empty with bath supplies, water etc. I thought Your words don’t matter.....

[n david]

POA just posted a statement on FB 20 minutes ago:

A message from our pastors to the POA church family:

Gathering with the church is vitally important to the believer. Because of this, we will not be canceling any of our services at this time. In the event a state or federal agency issues a directive closing public events, we will comply.

Following are our suggested guidelines, some of them from Governor John Bel Edwards’ website:

▪️If you are showing symptoms that are common with the coronavirus (a fever with coughing and shortness of breath), first seek medical attention. If you have these symptoms – or other flu symptoms – please stay home and watch the service online via Facebook, YouTube, or LiveStream.

▪️Remember our standing policy in Wonderland ChildCare and POA Kids is that children must be fever free for 24 hours before being admitted into these areas.

▪️We encourage you to wash your hands frequently. (We are providing hand sanitizer in highly visible places throughout our campus buildings, requesting everyone use these products frequently while on our campus.)

▪️Refrain from simple actions such as shaking hands and then touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with unwashed hands.

▪️Cover coughs and sneezes with a tissue.

With the heightened awareness and public concerns regarding the spread of the coronavirus (COVID-19) we want to assure you we are carefully monitoring this situation at POA. We are taking a proactive approach to ensure our environments are clean and safe, and that your health and well-being is our top priority. Our already thorough cleaning procedures have been enhanced across campus – including RUSH/POA Kids, the Family Life Center and the POA Events Center.

Again, if you, your children, or any member of your household is ill, please stay home and watch our services online at poa.church.

Even if you are not officially diagnosed with COVID-19 (Corona Virus) or one of the regular flu viruses, please take care of yourself – and respect your church family – by staying home.

If you are unable to attend any of our gatherings due to sickness, please continue to honor the Lord in your giving by making your financial contributions online at www.poa.church or by mailing your tithes and offerings to the church:

The Pentecostals of Alexandria
Attn: Pastor Gary Maxwell
PO Box 8838
Alexandria, LA 71306

We cannot live in fear. God is – always has been and always will be – faithful. His Word is true. So, we will pray for the sick. We will look for opportunities to share the gospel with others. We find peace and rest in Him – the almighty, all powerful God of the universe who created us – formed us – and redeemed us.

“But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
and he that formed thee, O Israel,
Fear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name;
thou art mine.”
(Isaiah 43:1)

[Barb]

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

You mean to tell me you believe sicknesses and diseases are contagious?

Just by the media speaking this sickness out there and building it bigger than what it is, look how everyone is reacting! Tom Hanks and his Wife tested positive, and they’re taking selfies together! NBA stars tested positive and there doing fine being quarantined. Media speaks fear and loom what happens, it’s like the end of the world. Stores are empty with bath supplies, water etc. I thought Your words don’t matter.....

You mean to tell me sickness is NOT contagious?! Okay... say youre in an airport and a stranger sneezes in your face... you're just going to go about your business without concern? NOT WORRY, but concern. Let's say someone in church service next to you has a hacking cough and doesn't cough into their arm, you're not going to be concerned?

Concern and taking precautions over something we know next to nothing about is wisdom, at least to me. I am not operating in FEAR or PANIC, but I am concerned to protect my mother who is knocking on 90... :)

I thought I was making a positive post, and asking for the opinion of pastors re the remark online about seeing who the real Apostolics are... my worship is not hindered because of a momentary inconvenience.

[n david]

You mean to tell me you believe sicknesses and diseases are contagious?
Is this a rhetorical question?

Because the answer is

https://media0.giphy.com/media/aVtdz7iNVPI1W/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a873a75cc59ee3632af09d17216e4 7824df239b65&rid=giphy.gif

[shag]

Looking like Hello housechurch,
Goodbye tithing requirement.

[Tithesmeister]

Looking like Hello housechurch,
Goodbye tithing requirement.

The LORD works in mysterious ways!

[shag]

.

[Barb]

As I was out and about a few moments ago it occurred to me to clarify my thoughts…

Everyone must follow the beat of their own drummer here. My experiences in that last year or so have given me pause when it comes to the care of my mother, and me as well…

I am 6 years in remission from Stage Three cancer, praise the Lord! But without going into too much info here the treatment and after effects lead me to have to make certain changes in my life… As for my precious mother, she was in the hospital 12 times in 2019!!! So if I take extra precautions with us both it is for a reason…

What I totally reject is this notion posted on FB that this crisis will determine the real Apostolic from the ‘kindacostal crowd’… I resent the implication that was made. I don’t know what any of you are facing in life, and even if you post here I still don’t have a clue. So it would behoove us all to do what we feel is best in this.

Anyway… thanks for letting me vent here a little. Lol Stay safe, and be encouraged… God’s got this!!!

[Sister Alvear]

I say use common sense...

[Barb]

I say use common sense...

:yourock