Will drinking beer send you to hell?

[hometown guy]

Yup it will...

[hometown guy]

Wine too.... I wouldn’t even drink it for communion.

[diakonos]

Yeah, the Apostles must be on fire right now.

[Nicodemus1968]

How about for the crowd that says show me in the Bible where it says “I can’t drink beer?”

[Michael The Disciple]

Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

[Michael The Disciple]

Wine too.... I wouldn’t even drink it for communion.

Jesus both made and drank wine. Will one go to Hell for not taking communion might be a good question.

[Nicodemus1968]

Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

What about a non alcoholic drink? Like O’doul’s?

[n david]

Not unless you get drunk. But then, why even get that close to something which could lead to sin?

1 Corinthians 8:9-13 is applicable to this topic.

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

[coksiw]

Getting drunk is the sin, drinking wine or beer is a holiness issue.
I also think drinking strong drink is just wrong.

[Nicodemus1968]

Not unless you get drunk. But then, why even get that close to something which could lead to sin?

1 Corinthians 8:9-13 is applicable to this topic.

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Exactly! What about,

Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.

1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

They may have drunk wine back then for their infirmities, does that mean its ok today? It’s not about getting drunk, or drinking non-alcoholic, or show where I’m sinning.

Acts 15:28
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Like one evangelist from Canada testified,
“I was called upon in church to testify, and I said, I want to know what Holy Ghost y’all have? I understand you went down to the beach in your underwear, my Holy Ghost wont let me go to the beach in my underwear. Why would my Holy Ghost not allow me to, and your Holy Ghost allows you to? He said, I was not allowed to testify in that church ever again!”

Does it seem good to the Holy Ghost...

[jediwill83]

So Jesus was creating a stumbling block by making MORE wine at the marriage of Cana after they had already drunk so much already? We already know He made the "good stuff". Not making a pro or con argument folks...just looking at whats there in scripture and wondering how you are getting some of your conclusions that etoh=instant hellfire.

[Truthseeker]

We know they drank alcoholic wine. That's why Paul said to not drink in excess.

[Truthseeker]

Wigglesworth was asked by a new convert he if had to stop smoking and drinking now that he was saved. The answer given was smoke and drink as much as you want ,if you can. That would trigger some today, but I understand his point.

[Evang.Benincasa]

How about dipping Copenhagen snuff?

[Truthseeker]

How about for the crowd that says show me in the Bible where it says “I can’t drink beer?”

You tell them its not in the bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

How about food to excess?

[jediwill83]

How about food to excess?




That...that has been my struggle. There are alot of factors as to why but yeah...thats my major struggle.

[coksiw]

How about food to excess?

Oh oh

[coksiw]

I read once that the wine done following the old time methods contains way less alcohol than the modern wine. Apparently, you could drink a good amount of wine back then and not get drunk. Not to say that before the wine fermented, it was also called "wine", hence the term new wine and old wine.
Modern wine is dangerously close to strong drinks.

[Isa 5:22 NASB] 22 Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,

[Truthseeker]

Wasn't the Corinthian church getting drunk at communion?

[jediwill83]

I read once that the wine done following the old time methods contains way less alcohol than the modern wine. Apparently, you could drink a good amount of wine back then and not get drunk. Not to say that before the wine fermented, it was also called "wine", hence the term new wine and old wine.
Modern wine is dangerously close to strong drinks.

[Isa 5:22 NASB] 22 Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,


Deuteronomy 14:26
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,




Well according to this, strong drink is perfectly acceptable...and also a part of those tithes and OFFERINGS God demands we take part in and not rob Him over in Malachi 3:8

[Tithesmeister]

There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithed wine. At their festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

[hometown guy]

Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

What’s your definition of drunk?

[Nicodemus1968]

There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithed wine. At their festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

This definitely not your grandparents AFF. :heeheehee

[hometown guy]

There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithes wine. At there festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

[Nicodemus1968]

Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

Does the Bible say there is a hell?

[hometown guy]

Wasn't the Corinthian church getting drunk at communion?

Maybe.... and fornicating... go figure

[Tithesmeister]

Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

[Truthseeker]

Maybe.... and fornicating... go figure

Ever notice Paul response about getting drunk? "You have houses to drink in" 😳

[n david]

My father told a story many times about a man who was looking to hire a chauffeur. He lived in the mountain where the roads twisted around and there were precipices all along the way into town.

He interviewed several men and asked each one how close they believed they could get to the edge of the precipice without going over. A few boasted how they could get within a foot of the edge. One claimed he could get mere inches from the edge without going over.

The last man he interviewed responding by saying he had too much respect to the danger and because of that, he would stay as far as he could from the edge. He was the one the man hired.

Point is this, alcohol is not to be messed with. Some may be able to control it, but many aren't able to do so. It's the leading cause of car accidents and car accident deaths.

Unlike even smoking or gluttony, this vice affects others besides the person drinking. It's a major cause for domestic violence and physical abuse.

I won't say a person is going to hell for drinking, though the Bible does say drunkenness is a sin. But I will point to these other factors and warn against drinking.

I've seen the results firsthand. I've witnessed a drunk driver run a red light and slam into a car. The victim was dead on impact, the drunk staggered and walked away, with barely a scratch. I've witnessed the one who claimed they only drink a glass of wine for dinner only to progress to a bottle then to hard liquor.

As for me, I won't touch it.

"Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?"

Don't do these things and then wonder why the consequences.

[Truthseeker]

I cringe a bit when I hear stuff like "will it send me to hell?" "I am not going to do that, I don't want to go to hell"

Comes off as carnal and spiritually immature.

[hometown guy]

I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

oh gotcha lol didn’t catch the humor I thought you pulling the “ chapter and verse “ card.

[Truthseeker]

Does the Bible say there is a hell?

Not like most teach it.

[n david]

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

[hometown guy]

I cringe a bit when I hear stuff like "will it send me to hell?" "I am not going to do that, I don't want to go to hell"

Comes off as carnal and spiritually immature.

That’s interesting. I think that’s a whole lot more spiritual then half the stuff on this forum.

[hometown guy]

This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

I do too..... Buzz driving is drunk driving. I see that sign all over California ... so maybe they can get buzzed and think they are still ok??

[Tithesmeister]

I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

It wasn’t meant to be an argument. I intended it as a joke. Sorry if it irritated you.

[coksiw]

Deuteronomy 14:26
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,




Well according to this, strong drink is perfectly acceptable...and also a part of those tithes and OFFERINGS God demands we take part in and not rob Him over in Malachi 3:8

Here are the requirements for the priests when they had to minister in his presence.

[Lev 10:8-10 NKJV] 8 Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. [It shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean,

[n david]

It wasn’t meant to be an argument. I intended it as a joke. Sorry if it irritated you.

:thumbsup

I've had people use it as an argument.

[hometown guy]

Here are the requirements for the priests when they had to minister in his presence.

[Lev 10:8-10 NKJV] 8 Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. [It shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean,

Good points. Like jewelry......

[hometown guy]

:thumbsup

I've had people use it as an argument.

Yah I have too thats why I thought he was serious lol.

[coksiw]

There you go, they had wine.
Why would they drink it? To avoid bad water, or to get "happy".

If I were in that position, I would definitely drink some wine and even look for "new" wine to not have "fun" but to have access to healthier liquids than the bad water.

Do I need wine to get "happy" and have some fun?
[Eph 5:18 NKJV] 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

So, since we have the blessing to have good water and even juices, why would you want to drink wine to have "fun"? If because of health, are you sure you don't have other alternative?

[Tithesmeister]

This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

It’s probably worth noting that the consequences of drunkenness, in this age, may be more severe than in the Bible times. As nDavid points out, in the Bible times, if you were sober enough to get on your camel, he might take you home. These days, you may take innocent life. It’s something to think about.

[hometown guy]

There you go, they had wine.
Why would they drink it? To avoid bad water, or to get "happy".

If I were in that position, I would definitely drink some wine and even look for "new" wine to not have "fun" but to have access to healthier liquids than the bad water.

Do I need wine to get "happy" and have some fun?
[Eph 5:18 NKJV] 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

So, since we have the blessing to have good water and even juices, why would you want to drink wine to have "fun"? If because of health, are you sure you don't have other alternative?

Excellent post.

[jediwill83]

Here are the requirements for the priests when they had to minister in his presence.

[Lev 10:8-10 NKJV] 8 Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. [It shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean,




When you go into the tabernacle of meeting.....

[Truthseeker]

There you go, they had wine.
Why would they drink it? To avoid bad water, or to get "happy".

If I were in that position, I would definitely drink some wine and even look for "new" wine to not have "fun" but to have access to healthier liquids than the bad water.

Do I need wine to get "happy" and have some fun?
[Eph 5:18 NKJV] 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

So, since we have the blessing to have good water and even juices, why would you want to drink wine to have "fun"? If because of health, are you sure you don't have other alternative?


Where is it prohibited to drink wine to be happy?

Looks like David didn't think so.


And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Psalms 104:15 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/psa.104.15.KJV

[Truthseeker]

When you go into the tabernacle of meeting.....

Right, why didn't he just say dont drink at all? Hmmmm???

[Truthseeker]

The interesting thing is that some church people push mental health treatment and drugs, but would judge a saint for having a glass of wine. Huh???

[coksiw]

When you go into the tabernacle of meeting.....

Isn't that what I said? "minister in his presence".

Anyways, see the argument our Lord and God presented. I see an "ideal will for us" in that statement.

[Ehud]

I'm so confused by this thread. Are we answering the question about drinking beer sending folks to hell? Or are we answering a question about best practices?

[Tithesmeister]

I’ve done very little drinking in my life. What drinking I did was many years ago. I have no experience being drunk. I tasted beer one time and thought it tasted awful. And, it seems to me that in many cases, it is the innocent that suffer. The wives and children etc.. So I’m not taking up for alcohol, but in the spirit of the original post, I’ll quote this . . .

Judg.9

[13] And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

And . . .

Pss.4

[7] Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased.

I can’t in good conscience condemn what scripture allows, but I don’t drink, and I would be disappointed if my children did.

[jediwill83]

Where is it prohibited to drink wine to be happy?

Looks like David didn't think so.


And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Psalms 104:15 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/psa.104.15.KJV




Nope...cant be happy unless Jesus is directly involved...thems the rules...anything else is carnality...thats why church folks are so serious bout praying over their food because the way some of us eat, that prayer is the Godliest event at that meal.


If praying over my food sanctifies it no matter what I eat and how much, could the same be said of other substances? Or just cause we pray over it does it mean God approves and blesses no matter what?

[Tithesmeister]

The interesting thing is that some church people push mental health treatment and drugs, but would judge a saint for having a glass of wine. Huh???

I actually mentioned wine in the depression thread, and it drew no response.

[coksiw]

Where is it prohibited to drink wine to be happy?

Looks like David didn't think so.


And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Psalms 104:15 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/psa.104.15.KJV

[Pro 23:29-32 NKJV] 29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaints? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? 30 Those who linger long at the wine, Those who go in search of mixed wine. 31 Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, [When] it swirls around smoothly; 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, And stings like a viper.

[Pro 31:4-7 NKJV] 4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [It is] not for kings to drink wine, Nor for princes intoxicating drink; 5 Lest they drink and forget the law, And pervert the justice of all the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart. 7 Let him drink and forget his poverty, And remember his misery no more.


The standard to not drinking wine is a tradition, a good tradition, we teach, because through out the bible, even though it doesn't condemn it, it does discourage it.

[hometown guy]

On a non religious stand point I’d rather see people smoking weed than drinking..... you don’t hear about a guy smoking weed and going home and beating his wife... or a guy in jail that says I was high on weed and killed the man but don’t remember it....... I think they will both send you to the same place but alcohol is destructive.

[n david]

When you go into the tabernacle of meeting.....
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

[coksiw]

I'm so confused by this thread. Are we answering the question about drinking beer sending folks to hell? Or are we answering a question about best practices?

That's how AFF runs :heeheehee

[hometown guy]

Funny how you all will go to the Old Testament to prove drinking is ok and then we can change the subject to tithes and you will say it’a abolished since it was in the Old Testament.

[coksiw]

Funny how you all will go to the Old Testament to prove drinking is ok and then we can change the subject to tithes and you will say it’a abolished since it was in the Old Testament.

Oh no, don't let the thread change topics, let's keep the fun.

[hometown guy]

Oh no, don't let the thread change topics, let's keep the fun.

Hahahah!

[Truthseeker]

[Pro 23:29-32 NKJV] 29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaints? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? 30 Those who linger long at the wine, Those who go in search of mixed wine. 31 Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, [When] it swirls around smoothly; 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, And stings like a viper.

[Pro 31:4-7 NKJV] 4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [It is] not for kings to drink wine, Nor for princes intoxicating drink; 5 Lest they drink and forget the law, And pervert the justice of all the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart. 7 Let him drink and forget his poverty, And remember his misery no more.


The standard to not drinking wine is a tradition, a good tradition, we teach, because through out the bible, even though it doesn't condemn it, it does discourage it.


So if one is depressed "bitter of heart" he is allowed to drink wine so he won't rmember his misery no more? Got it!

The bible in a lot of places speak positive of wine, when it speaks negative usually warning against abuse of it or letting it control ones life/judgement..

[coksiw]

So to answer the question:

Will beer (or wine or tequila) send you hell (clarifying, Gehenna, judgement).
My answer is ... very likely; but not because of one sip, but because of your sins that most likely will follow over time of drinking it.

[Truthseeker]

Look ya all, the bible records the first antidepressant.

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6..-‬7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/pro.31.6-7.KJV

[coksiw]

So if one is depressed "bitter of heart" he is allowed to drink wine so he won't rmember his misery no more? Got it!

The bible in a lot of places speak positive of wine, when it speaks nega6ot usually warning against abuse of it or letting it control ones life/judgement..

Man I thought you were going to focus on the "Lest they drink and forget the law, And pervert the justice of all the afflicted" part, lol.

I clearly see the theme in the entire bible of discouraging it to prevent losing your judgement of holy vs unholy, and right from wrong.

[coksiw]

Look ya all, the bible records the first antidepressant.

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6..-‬7 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/pro.31.6-7.KJV

Our logic is going to take us very far in this thread. Let's see where it takes us... :popcorn2

[Truthseeker]

Man I thought you were going to focus on the "Lest they drink and forget the law, And pervert the justice of all the afflicted" part, lol.

I clearly see the theme in the entire bible of discouraging it to prevent losing your judgement of holy vs unholy, and right from wrong.

Right, that's why Paul said to not drink in excess to the point of not being sober.

[Truthseeker]

Today, some refer depressed saints to get pysch drugs. Proverbs says give wine to them of a heavy heart. Why do pysch drugs get a pass while wine is condemned, even though proverbs says give wine for a heavy heart?

[Truthseeker]

It's been said the Corinthian church was getting drunk at communion. Here is the text:

For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1 Corinthians 11:21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.11.21.KJV





Does anyone see it as something else besides getting drunk?

[coksiw]

Today, some refer depressed saints to get pysch drugs. Proverbs says give wine to them of a heavy heart. Why do pysch drugs get a pass while wine is condemned, even though proverbs says give wine for a heavy heart?

Well, from the medial standpoint, people on medical drugs tend to be able to function: see single, drive, work, pay bills, have some judgement.

[Truthseeker]

Well, from the medial standpoint, people on medical drugs tend to be able to function: see single, drive, work, pay bills, have some judgement.



Not those who abuse it. Brings a lot of havoc to their lives.. Prescription drug abuse is a huge problem.

[Tithesmeister]

Funny how you all will go to the Old Testament to prove drinking is ok and then we can change the subject to tithes and you will say it’a abolished since it was in the Old Testament.

1Tim.5

[23] Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

How’s that? Feeling better now?

[coksiw]

Not those who abuse it. Brings a lot of havoc to their lives.. Prescription drug abuse is a huge problem.

That’s true.

Alright, convinced, let’s drink pues!! :shockamoo

[hometown guy]

1Tim.5

[23] Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

How’s that? Feeling better now?

Yup I take medicine that contain alcohol in it too when I’m sick but I don’t go by By Budweiser when I’m sick.

[Pooky]

But why would anyone want to drink alcohol? To change the way you feel,usually.
Don’t begin to tell me it tastes good People drink it to change the way they feel.

[Nicodemus1968]

The interesting thing is that some church people push mental health treatment and drugs, but would judge a saint for having a glass of wine. Huh???

Friend that is more true than maybe you and I realize.....

[coksiw]

But why would anyone want to drink alcohol? To change the way you feel,usually.
Don’t begin to tell me it tastes good People drink it to change the way they feel.

I used to drink daily, for fun. I don’t think you know. It is like when my wife tells me “I don’t understand why you drink coffee, it doesn’t taste good”. Mind you, I quit drinking coffee a long ago, but because I love the smell and the taste, I drink decaf daily, twice.

[Truthseeker]

[QUOTE=Pooky;1581447]But why would anyone want to drink alcohol? To change the way you feel,usually.
Don’t begin to tell me it tastes good People drink it to change the way they feel.[/QUOTE


You mean like this?

And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Psalms 104:15 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/psa.104.15.KJV

[Pooky]

Oh I definitely know that it can be “fun” . It also leads many to terrible, terrible outcomes. Most violent crime is directly related to it. I suggest some of you watch some addiction videos on you tube. It’s one of the worst drugs there is.

[coksiw]

Oh I definitely know that it can be “fun” . It also leads many to terrible, terrible outcomes. Most violent crime is directly related to it. I suggest some of you watch some addiction videos on you tube. It’s one of the worst drugs there is.

I am saying that I liked it, and no, it wasn’t to change my behavior.
I don’t think I need to watch nothing bro, I preach against it.

[Pooky]

Why did you like it? And I’m not a bro☺️

[coksiw]

Why did you like it? And I’m not a bro☺️

It is because you are a sister or because you don't like the abbreviation "bro"?
I don't know if I should describe why I like it. I don't want to be a temptation to some here by bringing memories :heeheehee

[Truthseeker]

That’s true.

Alright, convinced, let’s drink pues!! :shockamoo

Bottoms up!!

[Truthseeker]

Oh I definitely know that it can be “fun” . It also leads many to terrible, terrible outcomes. Most violent crime is directly related to it. I suggest some of you watch some addiction videos on you tube. It’s one of the worst drugs there is.



I don't think any here would disagree with alcohol addiction is destructive. That's why Paul said to not drink in excess.

[Michael The Disciple]

I do not advocate drinking beer or wine. I would hope Christians would not do it. And yet if they did and they did not get drunk I could not say they were sinning.

I started drinking at 14. I was an abuser. I know where it CAN lead. Yet I see no prohibition against it as several here have shown.

[n david]

No prohibition against wine/beer/liquor
No prohibition against smoking
No prohibition against crack
No prohibition against marijuana
No prohibition against heroin

But don't eat too much.

[Tithesmeister]

No prohibition against wine/beer/liquor
No prohibition against smoking
No prohibition against crack
No prohibition against marijuana
No prohibition against heroin

But don't eat too much.

Exod.23

[14] Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
[15] Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)
[16] And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

:happydance:happydance:happydance

[Pooky]

It is because you are a sister or because you don't like the abbreviation "bro"?
I don't know if I should describe why I like it. I don't want to be a temptation to some here by bringing memories :heeheehee

Ha I am a sister. I appreciate why you would not want to describe it. Just trying to determine if you could see that it changed the way you felt. To me, I don’t think we should use alcohol to change the way we feel.

[diakonos]

So much drama in this thread

[consapente89]

Funny how you all will go to the Old Testament to prove drinking is ok and then we can change the subject to tithes and you will say it’a abolished since it was in the Old Testament.

:highfive

[Tithesmeister]

Funny how you all will go to the Old Testament to prove drinking is ok and then we can change the subject to tithes and you will say it’a abolished since it was in the Old Testament.

:highfive

You know, if either of you have evidence that the New Testament Church ever received tithes from its members, or if you could provide evidence of Christians rendering tithe to the New Testament Church, you would be welcome to post the evidence, over in the “Crux of the Pro-tithe Argument” thread.

Just a reminder, that if you have any scriptural evidence that being a pastor entitled anyone to a tithe, in the entire Bible, that evidence would be nice to have there as well.

Or . . .

You could just pretend that there is such evidence.

[Evang.Benincasa]

How about dipping Copenhagen snuff?

What about dip?

[Tithesmeister]

What about dip?

I prefer guacamole.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I prefer guacamole.

I mean Just a pinch between the cheek n gum.
Or a big wad of it in your front bottom lip.
Red Man pouch in the back pocket, does Jesus care if you are dipping and spitting?

[Tithesmeister]

I mean Just a pinch between the cheek n gum.
Or a big wad of it in your front bottom lip.
Red Man pouch in the back pocket, does Jesus care if you are dipping and spitting?

That’s a tough question. It seems that the mother Church made decisions that were healthy ones concerning some issues. I have never been a drinker, smoker or dipper, so I could probably pretend to be sanctimonious (on these issues). I certainly don’t regret having never developed these habits.

However, the fact that I didn’t have these habits, didn’t grant me salvation. I was still a sinner. And I know people who struggled with these addictions. The struggle was real. Some were miraculously delivered from them on receiving the Holy Ghost. Others, for whatever reason, that I will not speculate about, were delivered from addiction years later.

My father told me that his father was addicted to smokeless tobacco, so severely that he went to bed with it in his mouth. It was before I came along, but he was such a clean neat person when I came to know him, that I could scarcely picture him in that condition. Smokeless is highly addictive to some people. And it does cause oral cancer and other serious health concerns.

However, it may be best not to condemn someone to hell for addiction. Sometimes we can condemn someone whom God needs a little time to work on.

Maybe.

[Tithesmeister]

Well,

This is interesting.

https://news.yahoo.com/she-didnt-drink-her-urine-160818366.html?soc_src=newsroom&soc_trk=com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard&.tsrc=newsroom

[Truthseeker]

Isn't it interesting that Paul considered those that stumble at about drinking wine as weak in faith? He instructed to not eat meat or drink wine if it caused a weak brother to stumble. Some today would consider win drinkers weak Christians, but for Paul it was the opposite. ��

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Romans 14:21 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rom.14.21.KJV

[Amanah]

do addictions of any sort send you to hell?

[Truthseeker]

do addictions of any sort send you to hell?

If you mean a burning place the people are endlessly tortured my answer would be no.

[n david]

do addictions of any sort send you to hell?

If you mean a burning place the people are endlessly tortured my answer would be no.

I would disagree. There are addictions which are absolutely labeled as sin which will cause a person to be lost.

[Tithesmeister]

do addictions of any sort send you to hell?

If you mean a burning place the people are endlessly tortured my answer would be no.

I would disagree. There are addictions which are absolutely labeled as sin which will cause a person to be lost.

I agree with you nDavid. But the Sister’s question was do “addictions of any sort” send you to hell. I would say no to that.

Coffee? It IS addictive.

[Nicodemus1968]

do addictions of any sort send you to hell?

My assumption is that you and myself are in the same chain of thought.

We’re (or they are) having a discussion about weather drinking beer will send you to hell? Like all discussions the topic of beer will eventually lead to another topic, and that would be, eating too much, wine, dip etc...

This is my thought on the matter. I wonder if you ask this question to a sinner that is familiar with addictions, what his response would be? I’m working with a young man right now from the jail ministry that has been addicted to meth for over 9 years. As of right now he has been clean for almost 3 months, this is the longest he has been clean from that drug for over 9 years! Where did it all start? It all began by smoking a single cigarette! Contrary to popular belief one addiction will lead to another! Heard a young lady say, “I’m no longer on crack, I just started smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day”, and I’m not exaggerating.

Will drinking a beer send me to hell? My question to you is, why would you want to? In my experience there is always a reasons for a question, some may want to justify what there doing, some are curious. I counsel this way, and you take it for what its worth. I believe in open doors, and allowing yourself to drink a beer, or smoke a cigarette will lead to other sins. There are those that may drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, etc. they may not be addicted to that drug, but that opened a door to “other” sins. Ive talked to them in the jail, out of the jail, in the church, out of the church and they all tell me the same thing, I never thought it would lead here! The Bible says,

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

We’re not to just pray that we enter not it into temptation, we’re suppose to watch as well. We should understand if we do this, were is this going to lead, what other doors are going to open because of this. The Bible doesn’t have to say if this is wrong, this is right,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Someone will say, well the Bible doesn’t tell me this is wrong, so I guess I can do it? Do you really want to live like that? Was the Bible written to you, or for you? Jesus said I will lead you into all truth. We get into trouble because we stop counseling with our God. We no longer ask him, if this is good for us. Then we find ourselves in sin, and wondering how we got here. If we would allow the spirit to teach us and minister to us we would not be in the position we find ourselves in at times.

[Nicodemus1968]

I agree with you nDavid. But the Sister’s question was do “addictions of any sort” send you to hell. I would say no to that.

Coffee? It IS addictive.

Coffee is not an addiction, caffeine in an addictive.

ad·dic·tion
/əˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: addiction; plural noun: addictions
the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.

If your addicted to caffeine, its wrong. We as the church should have no chains on us!

[Amanah]

Does this verse apply?

Corinthians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

[Michael The Disciple]

My assumption is that you and myself are in the same chain of thought.

We’re (or they are) having a discussion about weather drinking beer will send you to hell? Like all discussions the topic of beer will eventually lead to another topic, and that would be, eating too much, wine, dip etc...

This is my thought on the matter. I wonder if you ask this question to a sinner that is familiar with addictions, what his response would be? I’m working with a young man right now from the jail ministry that has been addicted to meth for over 9 years. As of right now he has been clean for almost 3 months, this is the longest he has been clean from that drug for over 9 years! Where did it all start? It all began by smoking a single cigarette! Contrary to popular belief one addiction will lead to another! Heard a young lady say, “I’m no longer on crack, I just started smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day”, and I’m not exaggerating.

Will drinking a beer send me to hell? My question to you is, why would you want to? In my experience there is always a reasons for a question, some may want to justify what there doing, some are curious. I counsel this way, and you take it for what its worth. I believe in open doors, and allowing yourself to drink a beer, or smoke a cigarette will lead to other sins. There are those that may drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, etc. they may not be addicted to that drug, but that opened a door to “other” sins. Ive talked to them in the jail, out of the jail, in the church, out of the church and they all tell me the same thing, I never thought it would lead here! The Bible says,

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

We’re not to just pray that we enter not it into temptation, we’re suppose to watch as well. We should understand if we do this, were is this going to lead, what other doors are going to open because of this. The Bible doesn’t have to say if this is wrong, this is right,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Someone will say, well the Bible doesn’t tell me this is wrong, so I guess I can do it? Do you really want to live like that? Was the Bible written to you, or for you? Jesus said I will lead you into all truth. We get into trouble because we stop counseling with our God. We no longer ask him, if this is good for us. Then we find ourselves in sin, and wondering how we got here. If we would allow the spirit to teach us and minister to us we would not be in the position we find ourselves in at times.

So then WILL drinking beer altho you dont get drunk send you to Hell? Is that your conclusion?

[Amanah]

The Top 15 Most Dangerous Drugs
Drug overdoses are now the leading cause of accidental death in the United States. In fact, more Americans die of drug overdoses than in car accidents each year. In light of these staggering statistics, 24/7 Wall St. recently conducted a new study that reviewed and categorized 25 of the most dangerous drugs and drug mixtures. Researchers took into account side effects and death rates tracked by the federal government, as well as potential risk of drug combinations measured by medical information organizations and web sources such as MedScape, WebMD, and the American Medical Association.
The substances on this list span well-known prescription medications, infamous street drugs, and lethal combinations of both. Many of these drugs are generally considered to be safe when taken on their own and under the correct conditions. However, all drugs can be fatal when too much is taken or combined inappropriately with other substances.
Here are the top 15:

1. Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
Common names for Acetaminophen include Tylenol, Mapap, and Feverall. This drug is regularly used for pain relief and is considered to be the most dangerous on this list due its potential to cause liver damage and toxicity. Acetaminophen is the nation’s leading cause of acute liver failure, according to data from an ongoing study funded by the National Institutes for Health. Analysis of national mortality files shows about 450 deaths occur each year from acetaminophen-associated overdoses; 100 of these are unintentional. Analysis of national databases also show that Acetaminophen-related overdoses account for about 50,000 emergency room visits and 25,000 hospitalizations yearly.

2. Alcohol
Alcohol includes all types of beer, wine, and malt liquor. Alcohol ranks second on this list due to the extensive health problems and injuries associated with use. An estimated 88,000 people die from alcohol-related causes annually. In addition to causing health issues such as cancer, liver damage, hypertension, heart disease, and fetal damage, alcohol abuse increases the risk of injuries, suicide, violence, and motor accidents. Due to these factors, excessive alcohol consumption is the third-leading cause of death in the United States.

3. Benzodiazepines
Benzodiazepines, sometimes called “benzos,” are anti-anxiety medications that include Xanax, Valium, and Klonopin. Benzodiazepine drugs rank high on this list due to the high prescription rate and increased risk of deadly respiratory depression that occurs when taking the medications. The risk of experiencing negative side effects is significantly heightened when combined with other drugs, particularly barbiturates, opioids, and alcohol. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), benzos were involved in 31% of all overdose deaths during the year 2017.

4. Anticoagulants
Common anticoagulants include Warfarin, Xarelto, and Heparin. These medicines are used to prevent blood clots in patients that are deemed at-risk for clotting. Anticoagulants rank fourth on this list due to the serious health conditions that can result from use, such as strokes, transient ischemic attacks (TIAs), heart attacks, deep vein thrombosis (DVT), and pulmonary embolism. When combined with Aspirin and other blood-thinning drugs, anticoagulants can also cause fatal internal and/or external bleeding.

5. Antidepressants
Common antidepressants include Cymbalta, Wellbutrin, Prozac, and Zoloft. Antidepressant drugs are commonly used to treat major depression and mood disorders, but are also occasionally prescribed for attention deficient hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD), and anxiety disorders. These drugs are high on this list due to the adverse health effects long-term use can have on consumers. Those taking antidepressants have a 33% higher risk of dying prematurely than people who are not taking the drugs. Additionally, antidepressant users are 14% more likely to have an adverse cardiovascular event, such as a stroke or heart attack.

6. Anti-Hypertensives
Anti-hypertensives are a class of drugs that are used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure), such as Hytrin, Cardura, and Minipress. These drugs have been linked to cardiovascular issues, acute renal failure, prostate cancer, and new-onset diabetes in consumers – all of which can result in death. When combined with NSAIDs or diuretics, the possibility of experiencing these health risks is amplified and can lead to fatality.

7. Bromocriptine
Bromocriptine, also known as Parlodel, is used to treat symptoms of Parkinson’s disease and hyperprolactinemia (high levels of a natural substance called prolactin in the body) including lack of menstrual periods, milky discharge from the nipples, infertility, and hypogonadism. Bromocriptine ranks seventh on this list due to the potential severe health side effects that can occur in patients, such as lethal circulatory collapse. Systematic hypotension has also been documented in about 33% of people taking the medication. Additionally, the drug has been associated with somnolence, and episodes of sudden sleep onset, which has resulted in dangerous encounters and motor vehicle accidents.

8. Clarithromycin
Clarithromycin, also known as Biaxin, is an antibiotic used to treat certain bacterial infections such as pneumonia and bronchitis. The FDA is currently advising caution before prescribing Clarithromycin due the increased risk of fatal heart complications that can occur years later. In fact, consumers are at a 27% increased risk for cardiovascular death if they have taken Clarithromycin at some point in their lives. It is unclear why this medication causes such effects, but the risk of experiencing them is amplified when the drug is combined with calcium channel blockers, such as Lipitor.

9. Clozapine
Clozapine is an antipsychotic medication used to treat schizophrenia. It can also lower the risk of suicidal behavior in patients with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. Clozapine breaks the top ten in this list due to the negative cardiovascular effects that can occur, including myocarditis and cardiomyopathy. The risk of experiencing these effects is significantly increased when combined with other central nervous system depressants, such as alcohol. Clozapine has also been documented as causing gastrointestinal hypomotility or “slow gut,” which can result in severe constipation, bowel obstruction, and even death.

10. Cocaine
Cocaine, also known as “blow,” “coke,” and “crack,” is a strong stimulant that is used as a recreational drug. Cocaine comes in at number ten on this list due to the long-term health risks that can occur from use, including heart disease, hypertension, organ failure, respiratory distress, stroke, unhealthy weight loss, and seizures. According to the CDC, cocaine deaths have been rising in recent years and show no sign of slowing down. In the year 2017, around 14,000 cocaine-related overdose deaths occurred in the U.S. alone. Researchers found that nearly three-quarters of these deaths involving the drug were among people who had also taken opioids.

11. Colchicine
Colchicine is a medication used to treat and prevent gout attacks, as well as some other inflammatory conditions. Colchicine is considered a high-risk medicine by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) due to its ability to cause significant toxicity and death. The drug has a very narrow therapeutic index, which means that the range between therapeutic and toxic doses is small, and is some cases it can overlap. Fatal overdose has been documented as resulting from as little a dose as 0.5 mg/kg. The risk of overdose is significantly increased when colchicine is combined with strong CYP3A4 inhibitors – a mixture that usually results in death.

12. Cough Medicines
Common cough medicines include NyQuil, Robitussin, and Theraflu. These medications are used to relieve cough caused by the common cold, bronchitis, and other breathing illnesses. Cough medicines come in at number twelve on this list due to the high risk of abuse and multiple adverse effects that can occur in consumers. The main ingredient in cough medicines is dextromethorphan (DXM) which can create intoxication, hallucinations, and dissociation in large doses. Overdose can occur when too much is taken and result in severe sedation and fatal respiratory depression. Hypoxia has also been documented as occurring, which can have short- and long-term mental effects on the nervous system, including coma, permanent brain, damage and death. These medicines are often misused in combination with other drugs, such as alcohol and marijuana, which can additionally increase the risk of deadly overdose.

13. Digoxin
Digoxin, also known as Lanoxin, is a medication used to treat various heart conditions, including congestive heart failure and arterial fibrillation (AFib). Ironically, new research suggests that for people who have atrial fibrillation, taking the drug may increase the risk of dying by more than 20%. Digoxin has also been linked to nausea, vomiting, and severe gastrointestinal issues such as constipation and perianal infections. These negative side effects are more likely to occur when the medication is combined the anti-arrhythmic agent Quinidine, which can also result in overdose and death.

14. Heroin
Heroin is an illicit recreational opioid drug made from morphine; a natural substance taken from the seed pod of the various opium poppy plants. Typically injected or snorted, the drug is available as either a white or brown powder, or a black sticky substance known as black tar heroin. Heroin comes in at fourteen on this list due to the high prevalence of use and serious health complications it causes in users, including: collapsed veins for people who inject the drug, damaged tissue inside the nose for people who sniff or snort it, infection of the heart lining, lung complications, gastrointestinal abscesses, and kidney disease. According to the CDC, the number of heroin users has more than doubled over the past five years and approximately 80% of new users are coming to heroin after having abused prescription opioids. In 2016, opioid overdoses, including those related to heroin, accounted for more than 42,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.

15. Semi-Synthetic Opioids
Common semi-synthetic opioids include Percocet, Vicodin, and OxyContin. These medications are generally used to treat moderate to severe pain, although some can be prescribed for coughing and diarrhea. These drugs are highly addictive and present a high risk of misuse. Semi-synthetic opioid misuse can cause slowed breathing, which often results in hypoxia, a condition that results when too little oxygen reaches the brain. Hypoxia can induce coma, permanent brain damage, and even death. Opioids are also often combined with other drugs to increase intoxication, including cocaine and alcohol, which significantly raises the risk of fatal overdose. America is currently undergoing an opioid epidemic due to the prevalence and high overdose rate of opioid drugs, making this the final most dangerous category of drug on the countdown.

https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2019/08/15-most-dangerous-drugs/

[Nicodemus1968]

Does this verse apply?

Corinthians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Absolutely that verse applies.

[hometown guy]

So then WILL drinking beer altho you dont get drunk send you to Hell? Is that your conclusion?

How will you know when you are drunk? Is it the 1st drink the 5th drink the 10th drink? 1 beer? 3 beers??? I have met plenty of people that drink and say they aren’t drunk but think they are who decides where the line is for drunk? Is being “ buzzed “ being drunk?

[Tithesmeister]

Coffee is not an addiction, caffeine in an addictive.

ad·dic·tion
/əˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: addiction; plural noun: addictions
the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.

If your addicted to caffeine, its wrong. We as the church should have no chains on us!

:thumbsup

1Cor.16

[15] I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

Maybe this addiction would be okay?

[diakonos]

The fruit of the Spirit is self control... until they set that chocolate cake in front of you.

[jediwill83]

The fruit of the Spirit is self control... until they set that chocolate cake in front of you.


But what if Jesus was blessing me with that cake?




1 Kings 19:6-7 King James Version (KJV)

6 And he looked, and, behold, there was a cake baken on the coals, and a cruse of water at his head. And he did eat and drink, and laid him down again.
7 And the angel of the Lord came again the second time, and touched him, and said, Arise and eat; because the journey is too great for thee.


😂😂😂

[hometown guy]

The fruit of the Spirit is self control... until they set that chocolate cake in front of you.

I can resist ANYTHING!.... except temptation :happydance

[Truthseeker]

I would disagree. There are addictions which are absolutely labeled as sin which will cause a person to be lost.

Define what lost is. If you mean being tortured endlessly in a burning hell then I would disagree.

[n david]

Define what lost is. If you mean being tortured endlessly in a burning hell then I would disagree.

Disagree in there being a place of endless torture, or that one would go there?

[n david]

How will you know when you are drunk? Is it the 1st drink the 5th drink the 10th drink? 1 beer? 3 beers??? I have met plenty of people that drink and say they aren’t drunk but think they are who decides where the line is for drunk? Is being “ buzzed “ being drunk?
Buzzed is drunk. People will argue. People are wrong.

[Michael The Disciple]

Buzzed is drunk. People will argue. People are wrong.

There is a difference in being drunk and not being drunk. Jesus drank wine. He didnt get drunk. They accused him of being a "winebibber".

The drunkard will be cast into the flames of Hell and be destroyed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

That’s a tough question. It seems that the mother Church made decisions that were healthy ones concerning some issues. I have never been a drinker, smoker or dipper, so I could probably pretend to be sanctimonious (on these issues). I certainly don’t regret having never developed these habits.

However, the fact that I didn’t have these habits, didn’t grant me salvation. I was still a sinner. And I know people who struggled with these addictions. The struggle was real. Some were miraculously delivered from them on receiving the Holy Ghost. Others, for whatever reason, that I will not speculate about, were delivered from addiction years later.

My father told me that his father was addicted to smokeless tobacco, so severely that he went to bed with it in his mouth. It was before I came along, but he was such a clean neat person when I came to know him, that I could scarcely picture him in that condition. Smokeless is highly addictive to some people. And it does cause oral cancer and other serious health concerns.

However, it may be best not to condemn someone to hell for addiction. Sometimes we can condemn someone whom God needs a little time to work on.

Maybe.

So if you are addicted to something then its all good. I see. ;)

[Evang.Benincasa]

There is a difference in being drunk and not being drunk. Jesus drank wine. He didnt get drunk. They accused him of being a "winebibber".

The drunkard will be cast into the flames of Hell and be destroyed.

How about the overeater?

[Pooky]

Like I asked 4 pages ago. Why would you want to drink alcohol? Never really got an answer from anyone.

[Tithesmeister]

Like I asked 4 pages ago. Why would you want to drink alcohol? Never really got an answer from anyone.

Because the Bible says to?

[Tithesmeister]

So if you are addicted to something then its all good. I see. ;)

How about the overeater?

I’m addicted to bacon too. Sometimes I can just feel my cholesterol tanking, and I have to get a fix. Ice cream too. :icecream

[coksiw]

I’m addicted to bacon too. Sometimes I can just feel my cholesterol tanking, and I have to get a fix. Ice cream too. :icecream


—Hello, my name is Tithemeister
— Hiiii Tiiiithemeeeeister

Baconaholic Anonymous.

[diakonos]

Prohibiting something that God allows... sounds like a Pharisee :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

I’m addicted to bacon too. Sometimes I can just feel my cholesterol tanking, and I have to get a fix. Ice cream too. :icecream

I no longer eat bacon like I once did.

[hometown guy]

How will you know when you are drunk? Is it the 1st drink the 5th drink the 10th drink? 1 beer? 3 beers??? I have met plenty of people that drink and say they aren’t drunk but think they are who decides where the line is for drunk? Is being “ buzzed “ being drunk?

There is a difference in being drunk and not being drunk. Jesus drank wine. He didnt get drunk. They accused him of being a "winebibber".

The drunkard will be cast into the flames of Hell and be destroyed.

So why don’t you answer my question if that’s the case?

[Tithesmeister]

So why don’t you answer my question if that’s the case?

I’m going to take a “shot” at this. I probably shouldn’t, because I have zero experience being drunk. But it has occurred to me that a person should be held to the same standard, whether they are drunk or not. Maybe it shouldn’t be a matter of how much you’ve had to drink. But that you are responsible for your actions no matter how much you’ve consumed. If you’re talking about driving or salvation. The responsibility is on the drinker. It should be a “sobering” thought.

[Tithesmeister]

I no longer eat bacon like I once did.

Me either. It’s just not as much fun with my wife being concerned for my health. When tomatoes are in season? I just gotta have BLTs though.

[Nicodemus1968]

Adultery
Fornication
Lying
Hatred
Murder
Bitterness
Jealousy
Deceit

How can these works of the flesh put you into sin?

[Nicodemus1968]

Me either. It’s just not as much fun with my wife being concerned for my health. When tomatoes are in season? I just gotta have BLTs though.

Go Keto, then you can have bacon. Teach your body to use fat as an energy instead of glucose.

[jediwill83]

I’m going to take a “shot” at this. I probably shouldn’t, because I have zero experience being drunk. But it has occurred to me that a person should be held to the same standard, whether they are drunk or not. Maybe it shouldn’t be a matter of how much you’ve had to drink. But that you are responsible for your actions no matter how much you’ve consumed. If you’re talking about driving or salvation. The responsibility is on the drinker. It should be a “sobering” thought.


This....very much this. I ferry drunk people quite regularly...from my simple observation and personal experience dealing with alcohol...alcohol simply removes the mask to reveal whats beneath.


If you're a jerk drunk...you're a jerk sober, just better at wearing the mask.


Ive actually had conversations with people who were drunk in my vehicle and have used that point...you could hear the gears turning as they mulled it over.


Whole point is that you're responsible for your actions no matter what.



Drunk VS Sober is no excuse


Bad behavior is just people who have surrendered any feelings of responsibility of their actions.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Go Keto, then you can have bacon. Teach your body to use fat as an energy instead of glucose.

Just eat food, forget keto, or anything else. Eat food and exercise.

[Michael The Disciple]

So why don’t you answer my question if that’s the case?

Being drunk is different than not being drunk. Committing fornication is not the same as not committing fornication. One does not have to do it and find out what its like. God condemns being drunk and committing fornication.

I do not advocate for drinking beer or wine. I would prefer people would not. Yet who am I that I would forbid it in total when Jesus himself did it? Matt 12:19

The prophet Daniel did? Dan. 10:3

Nonetheless when I was coming off my life of drunkeness and partying I immediately cut down to 2 beers. After a few times of that the 2 started getting to me. I cut down to 1. That did not last long as I felt it would be a better witness to drop it altogether. That was 1974. I have not desired it since that day.

Beer tastes bad. Other things taste much better. If I were very thirsty and had nothing else to drink I would drink it but for me in "excess" would be more than one.

For some one might be to much. Drink water, fruit juice, pop, ect if its available.You will be better off!

[Michael The Disciple]

I was discussing this with my first Apostolic Pastor back in 1982. He remarked the Evangelists that came through at times got a funny look on their face when they saw his jug of wine in his refrigerator which he said he kept for his stomachs sake.

[Nicodemus1968]

Being drunk is different than not being drunk. Committing fornication is not the same as not committing fornication. One does not have to do it and find out what its like. God condemns being drunk and committing fornication.

I do not advocate for drinking beer or wine. I would prefer people would not. Yet who am I that I would forbid it in total when Jesus himself did it? Matt 12:19

The prophet Daniel did? Dan. 10:3

Nonetheless when I was coming off my life of drunkeness and partying I immediately cut down to 2 beers. After a few times of that the 2 started getting to me. I cut down to 1. That did not last long as I felt it would be a better witness to drop it altogether. That was 1974. I have not desired it since that day.

Beer tastes bad. Other things taste much better. If I were very thirsty and had nothing else to drink I would drink it but for me in "excess" would be more than one.

For some one might be to much. Drink water, fruit juice, pop, ect if its available.You will be better off!

Lusting after a women is guilty of Adultery without ever committing a physical act. Hating your brother the Bible says is Murder. Would you agree that could be the same with other sins?

What Defiles a man?

If you want something for your stomach why not drink grape juice? Better yet, go and get the fresh grape and squeeze them from the vine, don’t drink it cold, drink it warm. Your body is able to absorb the nutrients better when it’s warm rather than cold. Why go down the road of alcohol? Do we want to see how close to the edge we can get? “They did it in the Bible days” yah, so! Where did they use the bathroom? If your going to use that line for one thing you might as well use it for everything. It’s sad how people want to use the word of God that’s intended for life, and destroy themselves.

[Pooky]

Lusting after a women is guilty of Adultery without ever committing a physical act. Hating your brother the Bible says is Murder. Would you agree that could be the same with other sins?

What Defiles a man?

If you want something for your stomach why not drink grape juice? Better yet, go and get the fresh grape and squeeze them from the vine, don’t drink it cold, drink it warm. Your body is able to absorb the nutrients better when it’s warm rather than cold. Why go down the road of alcohol? Do we want to see how close to the edge we can get? “They did it in the Bible days” yah, so! Where did they use the bathroom? If your going to use that line for one thing you might as well use it for everything. It’s sad how people want to use the word of God that’s intended for life, and destroy themselves.

Exactly

[Truthseeker]

Lusting after a women is guilty of Adultery without ever committing a physical act. Hating your brother the Bible says is Murder. Would you agree that could be the same with other sins?

What Defiles a man?

If you want something for your stomach why not drink grape juice? Better yet, go and get the fresh grape and squeeze them from the vine, don’t drink it cold, drink it warm. Your body is able to absorb the nutrients better when it’s warm rather than cold. Why go down the road of alcohol? Do we want to see how close to the edge we can get? “They did it in the Bible days” yah, so! Where did they use the bathroom? If your going to use that line for one thing you might as well use it for everything. It’s sad how people want to use the word of God that’s intended for life, and destroy themselves.



They didn't just drink wine for their stomach though. Excess or abuse is the issue.

[Apostolic1ness]

Jesus both made and drank wine. Will one go to Hell for not taking communion might be a good question.

so one MUST use wine for communion?

[Michael The Disciple]

so one MUST use wine for communion?

Did the Apostles? Are WE Apostolic? What does that mean?

[Michael The Disciple]

Why go down the road of alcohol? Do we want to see how close to the edge we can get?

Tell it to Jesus.

Matt 11:18-19

18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Tell it to Daniel the prophet.

Daniel 10:3

3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

[Michael The Disciple]

Hometown Guy,

So what do YOU think? If someone drinks a beer or a cup of wine ARE they going to Hell?

[Apostolic1ness]

Did the Apostles? Are WE Apostolic? What does that mean?

it doesn't mean anything.
if it did we might want the recipe for the unleavened bread they ate.

[diakonos]

This is funny. All these people coming against something that God allows. Guess y’all know better than Jesus.

This wouldn’t even be an issue in the States if it weren’t for the prohibition era.

[Truthseeker]

Hometown Guy,

So what do YOU think? If someone drinks a beer or a cup of wine ARE they going to Hell?

I think he already said yes.

[Nicodemus1968]

it doesn't mean anything.
if it did we might want the recipe for the unleavened bread they ate.

This is funny. All these people coming against something that God allows. Guess y’all know better than Jesus.

This wouldn’t even be an issue in the States if it weren’t for the prohibition era.

Then go ahead and drink wine at weddings, drink while you have infirmities, drink wine after your dinner daily because after all it’s good for your heart. Don’t just post about it, live it!

This wouldn’t even be an issue in the States if it weren’t for the prohibition era.

Are you sure?

[hometown guy]

Being drunk is different than not being drunk. Committing fornication is not the same as not committing fornication. One does not have to do it and find out what its like. God condemns being drunk and committing fornication.

I do not advocate for drinking beer or wine. I would prefer people would not. Yet who am I that I would forbid it in total when Jesus himself did it? Matt 12:19

The prophet Daniel did? Dan. 10:3

Nonetheless when I was coming off my life of drunkeness and partying I immediately cut down to 2 beers. After a few times of that the 2 started getting to me. I cut down to 1. That did not last long as I felt it would be a better witness to drop it altogether. That was 1974. I have not desired it since that day.

Beer tastes bad. Other things taste much better. If I were very thirsty and had nothing else to drink I would drink it but for me in "excess" would be more than one.

For some one might be to much. Drink water, fruit juice, pop, ect if its available.You will be better off!

So basically you are say that 1 might be to much for some so they will have to sin to find that out right? 3 might be ok for some? But others will go to hell for one?!

[Tithesmeister]

Just eat food, forget keto, or anything else. Eat food and exercise.

Brother, I think I’ll follow your advice. The eating food part in particular.

Isn’t eating exercise enough?

[Michael The Disciple]

So basically you are say that 1 might be to much for some so they will have to sin to find that out right? 3 might be ok for some? But others will go to hell for one?!

I said IF.....I were thirsty, meaning I had nothing else to drink I would have no problem drinking a beer. I also said I do NOT advocate drinking.

It was YOU as I recall pushing to find out what drunk means. You demanded an answer. I gave you my best.

So....was Jesus in sin for drinking wine? Daniel? Timothy?

[hometown guy]

I said IF.....I were thirsty, meaning I had nothing else to drink I would have no problem drinking a beer. I also said I do NOT advocate drinking.

It was YOU as I recall pushing to find out what drunk means. You demanded an answer. I gave you my best.

So....was Jesus in sin for drinking wine? Daniel? Timothy?

Well if it’s ok to drink and like you said our tolerances are all different somewhere you will have to cross the line right?? I don’t think Jesus, Paul or Timothy were grabbing a corona or Chardonnay from the fridge.

[diakonos]

Then go ahead and drink wine at weddings, drink while you have infirmities, drink wine after your dinner daily because after all it’s good for your heart. Don’t just post about it, live it!

This wouldn’t even be an issue in the States if it weren’t for the prohibition era.

Are you sure?

How do you know that I don’t? :lol

[diakonos]

I said IF.....I were thirsty, meaning I had nothing else to drink I would have no problem drinking a beer. I also said I do NOT advocate drinking.

It was YOU as I recall pushing to find out what drunk means. You demanded an answer. I gave you my best.

So....was Jesus in sin for drinking wine? Daniel? Timothy?

The beer would make it worse.

[Michael The Disciple]

The beer would make it worse.

Or might save your life.

[Michael The Disciple]

Well if it’s ok to drink and like you said our tolerances are all different somewhere you will have to cross the line right?? I don’t think Jesus, Paul or Timothy were grabbing a corona or Chardonnay from the fridge.

I dont know what corona or Chardonnay are. But I can be pretty sure they drank wine from the record of the Bible. I can also be pretty sure they did not get drunk.:highfive

[hometown guy]

I dont know what corona or Chardonnay are. But I can be pretty sure they drank wine from the record of the Bible. I can also be pretty sure they did not get drunk.:highfive

Really... so are you saying every time the Bible in Hebrew or greek translates the “drink” into “ wine “ it’s talking about our kind of alcoholic beverages we have today?

[Michael The Disciple]

Really... so are you saying every time the Bible in Hebrew or greek translates the “drink” into “ wine “ it’s talking about our kind of alcoholic beverages we have today?

What was the insult Jesus referred to when he said they called him a "winebibber"?

If drinking wine was merely drinking grape juice how was it an insult?

[Truthseeker]

What was the insult Jesus referred to when he said they called him a "winebibber"?

If drinking wine was merely drinking grape juice how was it an insult?

Impossble for it to be grape juice.

[hometown guy]

Really... so are you saying every time the Bible in Hebrew or greek translates the “drink” into “ wine “ it’s talking about our kind of alcoholic beverages we have today?

What was the insult Jesus referred to when he said they called him a "winebibber"?

If drinking wine was merely drinking grape juice how was it an insult?

So does that mean your not going answer my question?

[Michael The Disciple]

So does that mean your not going answer my question?

Well I'm not going to examine ALL the words for wine in Hebrew and Greek but from a quick examination of them the Biblical words SEEM to be talking about wine as something that CAN make you drunk.

So again your question was will a man go to Hell if he drinks beer and now assumedly wine.

My answer is he has done nothing wrong unless he gets drunk.

What is your answer?

[Nicodemus1968]

Well I'm not going to examine ALL the words for wine in Hebrew and Greek but from a quick examination of them the Biblical words SEEM to be talking about wine as something that CAN make you drunk.

So again your question was will a man go to Hell if he drinks beer and now assumedly wine.

My answer is he has done nothing wrong unless he gets drunk.

What is your answer?

I need a drink....



















Of Tea. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

Really... so are you saying every time the Bible in Hebrew or greek translates the “drink” into “ wine “ it’s talking about our kind of alcoholic beverages we have today?

You can't get drunk on grape juice. You might be hitting the toilet but you won't get intoxicated. You don't believe Jesus turned water into grape juice.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well I'm not going to examine ALL the words for wine in Hebrew and Greek but from a quick examination of them the Biblical words SEEM to be talking about wine as something that CAN make you drunk.

So again your question was will a man go to Hell if he drinks beer and now assumedly wine.

My answer is he has done nothing wrong unless he gets drunk.

What is your answer?

Food is also on the same level, but food cannot intoxicate someone.

The crushing grapes and its fermentation causes it to turn to alcohol beverage. Wine, and vinegar. Hence the reason the Middle Easterners have fermented foods and dairy. No refrigeration, therefore fermentation process is quick.

[Ehud]

Food is also on the same level, but food cannot intoxicate someone.

...

I could absolutely be wrong, but wasn't the actual issue with gluttony the fact that the glutton was being wasteful and keeping it from those who actually needed it? In other words, we aren't talking about overeating at Thanksgiving dinner, but rather a lifestyle of overindulgence?

As always, thank you for your time, Bro. Benincasa. :thumbsup

[hometown guy]

Well I'm not going to examine ALL the words for wine in Hebrew and Greek but from a quick examination of them the Biblical words SEEM to be talking about wine as something that CAN make you drunk.

So again your question was will a man go to Hell if he drinks beer and now assumedly wine.

My answer is he has done nothing wrong unless he gets drunk.

What is your answer?

Have you examined any?? Doubt it... there is only a handful of words used. How about Jesus first miracle? Did he allow them to drink in excess and get drunk? The had already had plenty to drink. It wasn’t that they went to the wedding unprepared and ran out because to many guest showed up.

[JoeBandy]

Being drunk during that era was not uncommon. Remember the upper room? They were considered drunk.

[JoeBandy]

Some of you would take 1 Timothy 4:8. and make exercise a sin!!

[Tithesmeister]

Some of you would take 1 Timothy 4:8. and make exercise a sin!!

I don’t know for sure if exercise is sinful. But I do believe you have to shun the very appearance of evil.

So I try to be careful about over exercising. Just eating is exercise enough, I think. You just can’t be too careful.

:heeheehee:heeheehee

[Michael The Disciple]

Have you examined any?? Doubt it... there is only a handful of words used. How about Jesus first miracle? Did he allow them to drink in excess and get drunk? The had already had plenty to drink. It wasn’t that they went to the wedding unprepared and ran out because to many guest showed up.

As a matter of fact I looked up a few of them. I saw nothing that led me to think wine will not get one drunk if they drink it in excess.

Now I will ask just one more time since you started the thread.

Will a man go to Hell for drinking beer or wine if he does not get drunk?

[hometown guy]

As a matter of fact I looked up a few of them. I saw nothing that led me to think wine will not get one drunk if they drink it in excess.

Now I will ask just one more time since you started the thread.

Will a man go to Hell for drinking beer or wine if he does not get drunk?

I’m sorry I didn’t answer you I thought you read my first 2 post.

[hometown guy]

As a matter of fact I looked up a few of them. I saw nothing that led me to think wine will not get one drunk if they drink it in excess.

Now I will ask just one more time since you started the thread.

Will a man go to Hell for drinking beer or wine if he does not get drunk?

Now will you answer about the miracle at the wedding? Sounds like they drank a lot. Since that is where the sin lies according to you did Jesus help supply to their much drinking they did?

[Michael The Disciple]

I’m sorry I didn’t answer you I thought you read my first 2 post.

Uh oh yea I forgot. :highfive

[diakonos]

Some of you would take 1 Timothy 4:8. and make exercise a sin!!

Had a friend who stopped working out... for like a week or two :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

I could absolutely be wrong, but wasn't the actual issue with gluttony the fact that the glutton was being wasteful and keeping it from those who actually needed it? In other words, we aren't talking about overeating at Thanksgiving dinner, but rather a lifestyle of overindulgence?

As always, thank you for your time, Bro. Benincasa. :thumbsup

Gluttony is a Latin word which means to scarf down food and drink. Thanksgiving stuffing one’s self would be considered gluttonous. Or you are being a glutton. As Christians we are to be moderate in all things and food and drink is a prime example. Don’t be given to appetite Proverb 23:2 tells us to lose self control with food and drink is the same as slitting your own throat. So, next family get together show some restraint.

[loran adkins]

Food is also on the same level, but food cannot intoxicate someone.

The crushing grapes and its fermentation causes it to turn to alcohol beverage. Wine, and vinegar. Hence the reason the Middle Easterners have fermented foods and dairy. No refrigeration, therefore fermentation process is quick.

At least someone knows a little about the true meaning of wine when spoken of in the bible.

[Tithesmeister]

Gluttony is a Latin word which means to scarf down food and drink. Thanksgiving stuffing one’s self would be considered gluttonous. Or you are being a glutton. As Christians we are to be moderate in all things and food and drink is a prime example. Don’t be given to appetite Proverb 23:2 tells us to lose self control with food and drink is the same as slitting your own throat. So, next family get together show some restraint.

Brother, I thought you had me for a minute. I was feeling all convicted.

But I looked up the passage. And you have taken it COMPLETELY out of context.

It doesn’t say one thing about Thanksgiving dinner.

:happydance:happydance:happydance

Whew. I’m feeling SO much better!

[Evang.Benincasa]

At least someone knows a little about the true meaning of wine when spoken of in the bible.

Who doesn't? Kind of hard to keep things from fermenting in the Middle East. There was no refrigeration, look at Korean kimchi, it is placed in a clay pot and buried in the ground. It smells like it has been buried in the ground, but it tastes pretty good. Also yogurt, kefirs they couldn't refrigerate their milks so logically it all became cheeses, kefirs, yogurts, butter milk, butter, and therefore their squeezed juice turned into fermented alcoholic wines, vinegars, and kombuchas (made from fungus).

[Hoovie]

It’s probably worth noting that the consequences of drunkenness, in this age, may be more severe than in the Bible times. As nDavid points out, in the Bible times, if you were sober enough to get on your camel, he might take you home. These days, you may take innocent life. It’s something to think about.

This is a very good point!

[loran adkins]

Will drinking wine or beer send you to hell? Yes if you do it with no faith.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And for everyone's information the bible dose not teach against getting drunk, it teaches against being a drunkard. Big difference. And if anyone would study history just a bit, you would find that until the late 19 century drinking was common with every type of walk of life.

[jediwill83]

Will drinking wine or beer send you to hell? Yes if you do it with no faith.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And for everyone's information the bible dose not teach against getting drunk, it teaches against being a drunkard. Big difference. And if anyone would study history just a bit, you would find that until the late 19 century drinking was common with every type of walk of life.


You know...when we stand in judgement I hope some of us have moments of realization of how wrong we were as those we have condemned with our own words hear the words directly from the Lord,"Well done thou good and faithful servant...enter into the joy of the Lord"


Maybe in that moment the full realization of His mercy and goodness will finally wash over us...

[hometown guy]

Will drinking wine or beer send you to hell? Yes if you do it with no faith.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And for everyone's information the bible dose not teach against getting drunk, it teaches against being a drunkard. Big difference. And if anyone would study history just a bit, you would find that until the late 19 century drinking was common with every type of walk of life.

Nothing like a drunk full of faith right? Lol I’ve thought I’ve heard it all but this one is another one added to the crazy stuff I heard.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Will drinking wine or beer send you to hell? Yes if you do it with no faith.

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And for everyone's information the bible dose not teach against getting drunk, it teaches against being a drunkard. Big difference. And if anyone would study history just a bit, you would find that until the late 19 century drinking was common with every type of walk of life.

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[Godsdrummer]

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I is really simple, Paul says if you have faith that what you eat or drink is ok God will not judge you. But to those that do not think it is ok, but they go ahead and eat what they think is wrong then to them it is sin.

Paul also goes on to say that those that do not think it is wrong should not cause a brother that thinks something is wrong to fall into sin by testing there faith by doing something in front of them. He also called the brother that thinks somethings are wrong a weaker brother, I wonder why he does this?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I is really simple, Paul says if you have faith that what you eat or drink is ok God will not judge you. But to those that do not think it is ok, but they go ahead and eat what they think is wrong then to them it is sin.

Paul also goes on to say that those that do not think it is wrong should not cause a brother that thinks something is wrong to fall into sin by testing there faith by doing something in front of them. He also called the brother that thinks somethings are wrong a weaker brother, I wonder why he does this?

Yet Paul ties it all together with if eating pagan sacrifices causes neophytes to stumble, he will eat no more meat as long as the world standeth. Also Paul is dealing with religious ceremony. The partaking of food and drink within the two spheres of the religions, law keeping Israelism, and Paganism. Not drinking beer and martinis at Pastor Snooker’s house.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Saying that if I do something in faith unto God is permissible has some deadly reprocussions.

[votivesoul]

Be not drunk with wine wherein is excess (or dissipation, depending on your translation), but be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Be not drunk...be filled with the Holy Spirit. That is a standing order. You cannot fulfill this imperative by getting drunk even once. What's the danger? One bout of being drunk might be the difference between life or death, between sinning or not sinning, and/or losing your soul.

You are not the same human when you are drunk. There may be a hidden, even seething violence underneath all that calm and patient exterior, that you are able, while sober, and with the help of the Holy Spirit, to keep in check. But lose those inhibitions, tie one on, and you have no idea who you might hurt. Might be your wife, your kids, someone else close to you, and you may never recover that relationship, and that may spiral you into a place of utter chaos and emotional calamity.

You might be in control of your lusts around others when sober, but drunk, you might make a pass at someone sexually, and who knows where that might get you. Might get you slapped, might get you fired, might get you divorced, might get you in someone's bed.

And don't forget driving drunk. The life you kill may NOT be your own. Then how are you going to live with yourself?

No, my friends. Be SOBER, be vigilant, for you have an adversary waiting for you to let your defenses down. And getting drunk is the easiest way for those defenses to come crashing to the floor. Then he might come and claim you easy as he pleases before you have the ability to say no. And in such a case, is Jesus morally obligated to rescue you? You broke faith, disobeyed the Word, injured your witness, and gave Christianity a bit of a smudging up, not to mention reproached your Savior. Maybe He comes to your aid, and maybe He lets you lie in the bed you made.

[diakonos]

Other than Loren, no one is advocating drunkenness.

[Godsdrummer]

Saying that if I do something in faith unto God is permissible has some deadly reprocussions.

Oh come on get real, the word has nothing to do with doing something that is out right wrong. But drinking is not something that is spelled out in the bible, one way or the other. There has always been room for discution, and if any body went as far as to study the wine making process before pasteurization or homogenization they would know that the fermentation process was the purification process to make wine in the bible days last, without going bad.

All the juice or wine in the bible was fermented. And if you know anything about the wine making process you would know that what Solomon is talking about in Proverbs Is not hard liquor or fermented wine, he is talking about wine in the process of becoming fermented.

The real admonition the bible speaks about is being a drunkered.

[Godsdrummer]

Other than Loren, no one is advocating drunkenness.

I am not advocation drunkenness either, and I am not saying go out to the bar and drink it up. But what I am saying is drinking a glass of wine at your dinner table or a beer when you get home from work is not going the send your soul to hell.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Oh come on get real, the word has nothing to do with doing something that is out right wrong. But drinking is not something that is spelled out in the bible, one way or the other. There has always been room for discution, and if any body went as far as to study the wine making process before pasteurization or homogenization they would know that the fermentation process was the purification process to make wine in the bible days last, without going bad.

All the juice or wine in the bible was fermented. And if you know anything about the wine making process you would know that what Solomon is talking about in Proverbs Is not hard liquor or fermented wine, he is talking about wine in the process of becoming fermented.

The real admonition the bible speaks about is being a drunkered.

Getting real is understanding that inebriation is forbidden. Whether you get it from narcotics, fermented beverage, or food. It is all the same thing. Let your moderation be known of all men, therefore someone who had full control over their senses also would of their tongue. Therefore having control over their whole body. The submission to the Holy Ghost insured they would walk and not stumble. Run and not fall.

[hometown guy]

I am not advocation drunkenness either, and I am not saying go out to the bar and drink it up. But what I am saying is drinking a glass of wine at your dinner table or a beer when you get home from work is not going the send your soul to hell.

What if the one beer/wine gets you “ buzzed “ ?

[Armapeet.Singh]

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

What does this mean?

[Armapeet.Singh]

Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

[diakonos]

Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

I’m forgetting my poverty :lol

[Esaias]

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

What does this mean?

It means the tithe was required to be paid in food and drink and specifically NOT money, and it was to be shared by the tither with the Levite, widows, orphans, strangers, and the tither's household. If they couldn't carry all that stuff, they were to sell it for cash, go to Jerusalem, and then buy the food and drink, and share it as a feast with the Levites, orphans, widows, strangers, and the rest of their household.

It means the commanded tithe was NEVER 10% of wages payable in cash to a priest, rabbi, or pastor.

[Originalist]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

That's like saying the Bible does stop condemn stealing, only thievery. Or that the Bible does not condemn adultery, only adulterers.

[Tithesmeister]

It means the tithe was required to be paid in food and drink and specifically NOT money, and it was to be shared by the tither with the Levite, widows, orphans, strangers, and the tither's household. If they couldn't carry all that stuff, they were to sell it for cash, go to Jerusalem, and then buy the food and drink, and share it as a feast with the Levites, orphans, widows, strangers, and the rest of their household.

It means the commanded tithe was NEVER 10% of wages payable in cash to a priest, rabbi, or pastor.

There you go reading scripture again. You’re a trouble maker!

[Tithesmeister]

These threads seem to be running together. Perhaps the question should be:

If you drink Corona beer, to cure the Wuhan flu, can you still go to heaven, as long as you pay your tithes?

[Nicodemus1968]

It means the tithe was required to be paid in food and drink and specifically NOT money, and it was to be shared by the tither with the Levite, widows, orphans, strangers, and the tither's household. If they couldn't carry all that stuff, they were to sell it for cash, go to Jerusalem, and then buy the food and drink, and share it as a feast with the Levites, orphans, widows, strangers, and the rest of their household.

It means the commanded tithe was NEVER 10% of wages payable in cash to a priest, rabbi, or pastor.

Who gave to the money bag Judas held? Why would Jesus need money?

[Nicodemus1968]

There you go reading scripture again. You’re a trouble maker!

Some men live by the letter....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Who gave to the money bag Judas held? Why would Jesus need money?


https://media3.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

[Tithesmeister]

Some men live by the letter....

Let’s see. Who was it that quoted Malachi 3 as his basis for teaching tithes?

No! No! Don’t tell me! Ok. I give up.

Brother Nicodemus? Can you help me out here?

No wait! It was Brother Nicodemus! I’m sure of it!

How odd! The man who lives by the letter . . .

Speaks of others living by the letter. Brother? Would you possibly self identify as a neo-Pharisee? Just wondering.
:heeheehee

[Tithesmeister]

Who gave to the money bag Judas held? Why would Jesus need money?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

By all means? Please tell me what exactly it is that you are trying to say here. I don’t want to assume.

[Nicodemus1968]

Let’s see. Who was it that quoted Malachi 3 as his basis for teaching tithes?

No! No! Don’t tell me! Ok. I give up.

Brother Nicodemus? Can you help me out here?

No wait! It was Brother Nicodemus! I’m sure of it!

How odd! The man who lives by the letter . . .

Speaks of others living by the letter. Brother? Would you possibly self identify as a neo-Pharisee? Just wondering.
:heeheehee

Where did I say I teach Malachi 3 as their basis for Tithing?

Are you referring to when I answered your question?

I was taught probably like everyone here,

Genesis 28:20-22
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, [21] So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: [22] And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

We can argue on thats not what that means. Yet, thats what I was taught and I believed it. I supported my Pastor for 17+ years through 10% tithe and 5% offering, every week, month, and year. Now, the tithe was a covenant between God and myself, it wasnt between the Pastor and myself. Jacobs vow to God wasnt to another man but to God! So I gave faithfully to the work of God, not to the man, and he in return took what he received and gave 10% back to the church.

What I preach and teach is different than what I was taught. I dont preach 10% tithe, and I dont preach offering. I say give unto the Lord, and whats put in the plate is whats in the plate. I wasn’t called of man, I was called of God. God will supply my need. This may be different than what you would believe, but you asked. I’m starting a work for God, new work from the ground up, so I work as God opens the door. If there is no work then i wait on God

Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

I was blessed to have a Pastor up here teach me about Gods provision. What he taught me is lost in Pentecost! The Holy Ghost spoke to me a year ago and told me “I’m going to take care of you”, and he has. I have probably worked maybe 70 hours from 2019 up till now. I dont live a lavish lifestyle, I can survive on very little. I dont need new vehicles, i dont need a big house, i need Jesus. I have 5 children and a wife, and we live in a single wide trailer in a trailer park. God has been good to us. I dont want to be a burden on the church, so that means to me I dont live in a way that will be!

I believe every minister should be full time, and if the church isn’t there, then work very little to sustain your monthly needs and work in the spirit. I am a servant to the souls in my town, at the drop of a hat I can be where the need is. I dont have to go to a boss to ask permission.

My mentor in a church not too far from me, had several families leave, they were big supporters of the church. A spirit of fear started working against him, that he might now have to go and get a job. I known him for 20+ years he would’ve went and did what he had to do, but God was going to use what others intented for evil, for good. One evening service a man came into the church, the Spirit told the Pastor, he is a raven, he is not here to be saved. The Pastor didnt know what to make of that. After service, the man came up to the Pastor and handed him a big wad of cash, the Pastor said “ill make sure it goes to the church”, the man looked at him and said “thats for you”, he walked out and hasn’t been there since.

1 Kings 17:4
And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.

I believe in ravens, God has supplied my need through them. I believe in Gods provision, and I believe living in the spirit to where God supplies. So to answer you’re question again, I dont preach a 10% tithe or hell, but I don’t condemn those that do preach tithe (not the hell part).

Your going back to the old tithemeister. You need to resist the old man...

[Nicodemus1968]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

Judas Held a bag of money.

Who gave to it?

John 13:29
For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

[Esaias]

Some men live by the letter....

It is WRITTEN, man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD OF GOD.

Some men try not to, though.

[Tithesmeister]

Where did I say I teach Malachi 3 as their basis for Tithing?

Are you referring to when I answered your question?

I was taught probably like everyone here,

Genesis 28:20-22
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, [21] So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: [22] And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

We can argue on thats not what that means. Yet, thats what I was taught and I believed it. I supported my Pastor for 17+ years through 10% tithe and 5% offering, every week, month, and year. Now, the tithe was a covenant between God and myself, it wasnt between the Pastor and myself. Jacobs vow to God wasnt to another man but to God! So I gave faithfully to the work of God, not to the man, and he in return took what he received and gave 10% back to the church.

What I preach and teach is different than what I was taught. I dont preach 10% tithe, and I dont preach offering. I say give unto the Lord, and whats put in the plate is whats in the plate. I wasn’t called of man, I was called of God. God will supply my need. This may be different than what you would believe, but you asked. I’m starting a work for God, new work from the ground up, so I work as God opens the door. If there is no work then i wait on God

Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

I was blessed to have a Pastor up here teach me about Gods provision. What he taught me is lost in Pentecost! The Holy Ghost spoke to me a year ago and told me “I’m going to take care of you”, and he has. I have probably worked maybe 70 hours from 2019 up till now. I dont live a lavish lifestyle, I can survive on very little. I dont need new vehicles, i dont need a big house, i need Jesus. I have 5 children and a wife, and we live in a single wide trailer in a trailer park. God has been good to us. I dont want to be a burden on the church, so that means to me I dont live in a way that will be!

I believe every minister should be full time, and if the church isn’t there, then work very little to sustain your monthly needs and work in the spirit. I am a servant to the souls in my town, at the drop of a hat I can be where the need is. I dont have to go to a boss to ask permission.

My mentor in a church not too far from me, had several families leave, they were big supporters of the church. A spirit of fear started working against him, that he might now have to go and get a job. I known him for 20+ years he would’ve went and did what he had to do, but God was going to use what others intented for evil, for good. One evening service a man came into the church, the Spirit told the Pastor, he is a raven, he is not here to be saved. The Pastor didnt know what to make of that. After service, the man came up to the Pastor and handed him a big wad of cash, the Pastor said “ill make sure it goes to the church”, the man looked at him and said “thats for you”, he walked out and hasn’t been there since.

1 Kings 17:4
And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.

I believe in ravens, God has supplied my need through them. I believe in Gods provision, and I believe living in the spirit to where God supplies. So to answer you’re question again, I dont preach a 10% tithe or hell, but I don’t condemn those that do preach tithe (not the hell part).

Your going back to the old tithemeister. You need to resist the old man...

Careful about who you call old, you young whippersnapper. Show some respect for your elders. :throwrock

[Evang.Benincasa]

Judas Held a bag of money.

Who gave to it?

John 13:29
For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

I'm not understanding you. What do you mean? Was it the tithe bag? Was it made of red velvet and held on the end of a wooden handle? Just explain to me what you are trying to say?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Careful about who you call old, you young whippersnapper. Show some respect for your elders. :throwrock

Didn't you tell us once that you were 16?

[Tithesmeister]

Didn't you tell us once that you were 16?

I was!!

But that’s been many moons.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was!!

But that’s been many moons.

What was your nick back then?

[Nicodemus1968]

I'm not understanding you. What do you mean? Was it the tithe bag? Was it made of red velvet and held on the end of a wooden handle? Just explain to me what you are trying to say?

Who gave to the ministry of Jesus?

[Tithesmeister]

What was your nick back then?

I don’t remember. I’ve only been on here for about two years.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I don’t remember. I’ve only been on here for about two years.

So, you were just lurking since 2015?

[Tithesmeister]

I don’t remember. I’ve only been on here for about two years.

If I said I was sixteen on here, it was a joke (or wishful thinking).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Who gave to the ministry of Jesus?

It was women, Luke 8:1-3.

[Evang.Benincasa]

If I said I was sixteen on here, it was a joke (or wishful thinking).

Two years?

Then you are only 18.

[Tithesmeister]

Two years?

Then you are only 18.

Shocking that I’m so young, and yet so wise. Sometimes I amaze myself.

It IS hard to be humble 🎶

[Evang.Benincasa]

Shocking that I’m so young, and yet so wise. Sometimes I amaze myself.

It IS hard to be humble 🎶

Why don't you tell us who you were years ago when you were posting under another nick?

[Tithesmeister]

Why don't you tell us who you were years ago when you were posting under another nick?

I never have.

What name do you think I posted under?

[votivesoul]

Other than Loren, no one is advocating drunkenness.

My comments were directed that way. Sorry I didn't make it clear. I am not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them. Personally don't drink, but others obey their own conscience, not mine.

[Tithesmeister]

My comments were directed that way. Sorry I didn't make it clear. I am not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them. Personally don't drink, but others obey their own conscience, not mine.

:thumbsup My sentiments as well.

[hometown guy]

My comments were directed that way. Sorry I didn't make it clear. I am not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them. Personally don't drink, but others obey their own conscience, not mine.

So what if it’s your first time drinking and you have “ some “ drinks and get buzzed? At that point are you in sin?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I never have.

What name do you think I posted under?

[you]

[Evang.Benincasa]

So what if it’s your first time drinking and you have “ some “ drinks and get buzzed? At that point are you in sin?

Like two guys kissing.

[votivesoul]

So what if it’s your first time drinking and you have “ some “ drinks and get buzzed? At that point are you in sin?

Alcohol can't just get a person buzzed simply by the drinking of it. There are other factors like the size of the person involved, empty or full stomach, and how quickly the drinks are imbibed.

And buzzed isn't intoxicated. There are levels. But if or when a person crosses a line and becomes drunk, then they have sinned.

[hometown guy]

Alcohol can't just get a person buzzed simply by the drinking of it. There are other factors like the size of the person involved, empty or full stomach, and how quickly the drinks are imbibed.

And buzzed isn't intoxicated. There are levels. But if or when a person crosses a line and becomes drunk, then they have sinned.

I see the signs all over “ buzzed driving is drunk driving “ so according to the law it’s the same.

[votivesoul]

I see the signs all over “ buzzed driving is drunk driving “ so according to the law it’s the same.

Because Blood Alcohol Levels when "buzzed" typically range from 0.03 to 0.12, and the legal limit for most states in the USA for driving is 0.08.

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-does-it-feel-like-to-be-drunk

So, even if a police officer will arrest you, it doesn't necessarily follow that you are Biblically drunk. The legal limit has changed over the years. If the legal limit is changed to 0.15, for example, you won't be arrested for driving buzzed.

Additionally, since motor vehicles didn't exist when the Holy Scriptures were penned whatever laws that now exist that govern driving them after consuming alcohol are not accurate litmus tests for determining when someone has cross the line Biblically into drunkenness.

[Esaias]

[you]

I knew it was [you] all along!

[Tithesmeister]

[you]

You got me.

[Tithesmeister]

I knew it was [you] all along!

I used to post as [you] but that’s been years ago.

[Nicodemus1968]

:thumbsup My sentiments as well.

Just so am clear with your post. Your Ok with having some drinks (alcoholic) just as long you (or another) isn’t drunk by those same drinks?

[Tithesmeister]

Just so am clear with your post. Your Ok with having some drinks (alcoholic) just as long you (or another) isn’t drunk by those same drinks?

You are correct sir.

It is the biblical answer.

On the other hand, I don’t drink (alcohol).

What do YOU think?

[Nicodemus1968]

You are correct sir.

It is the biblical answer.

On the other hand, I don’t drink (alcohol).

What do YOU think?

You would be ok if your Pastor drank a Corona every now and then?

[Tithesmeister]

You would be ok if your Pastor drank a Corona every now and then?
Of course. My pastor drank wine. He even made it. It was good stuff!

Do you know my pastor?

[Nicodemus1968]

Of course. My pastor drank wine. He even made it. It was good stuff!

Do you know my pastor?

Your fooling?

[Tithesmeister]

Your fooling?

No. Of course not. He’s pretty well known. Maybe I shouldn’t say. Maybe I’ve said too much.


He doesn’t accept tithes either. He’s a little bit controversial, I guess. I’m sure you’d recognize the name.

It’s a pretty big church.

[Evang.Benincasa]

No. Of course not. He’s pretty well known. Maybe I shouldn’t say. Maybe I’ve said too much.


He doesn’t accept tithes either. He’s a little bit controversial, I guess. I’m sure you’d recognize the name.

It’s a pretty big church.

How was the move to the two car garage?

[Whoop Harted]

You would be ok if your Pastor drank a Corona every now and then?

Would that give him the corona virus?

[Whoop Harted]

How was the move to the two car garage?

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaart!!!!!!

[good samaritan]

I knew it was [you] all along!

Hacked.

[loran adkins]

Be not drunk with wine wherein is excess (or dissipation, depending on your translation), but be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Notice the admonition is not to, not get drunk, but not to get drunk to excess.
So the idea to just be buzzed is a sin does not even compute.

Be not drunk...be filled with the Holy Spirit. That is a standing order. You cannot fulfill this imperative by getting drunk even once. What's the danger? One bout of being drunk might be the difference between life or death, between sinning or not sinning, and/or losing your soul.

This is how some go to far, with the idea of total abstinence When the verse says to not be in excess we go so far as to say we need to be in total abstinence. In my opinion this is adding to the word which is just as bad as taking away from the word.

No, my friends. Be SOBER, be vigilant, for you have an adversary waiting for you to let your defenses down. And getting drunk is the easiest way for those defenses to come crashing to the floor. Then he might come and claim you easy as he pleases before you have the ability to say no. And in such a case, is Jesus morally obligated to rescue you? You broke faith, disobeyed the Word, injured your witness, and gave Christianity a bit of a smudging up, not to mention reproached your Savior. Maybe He comes to your aid, and maybe He lets you lie in the bed you made.

Broke faith by disobeying the word in your opinion. injured your witness? many Christians do not think drinking is wrong it is just the opinion of many ultra conservatives, the fact is the bible does not spell out drinking alcoholic beverages as a sin any more than it teaches tithing in the New Testament.

Getting real is understanding that inebriation is forbidden. Whether you get it from narcotics, fermented beverage, or food. It is all the same thing. Let your moderation be known of all men, therefore someone who had full control over their senses also would of their tongue. Therefore having control over their whole body. The submission to the Holy Ghost insured they would walk and not stumble. Run and not fall.

Sorry it is not forbidden, it is warned against getting too drunk, but it is never forbidden.

[Nicodemus1968]

Would that give him the corona virus?

They don’t believe in doors to the spiritual. They don’t believe in what we say or things we do can have “open doors” effects. So they don’t believe your natural man can be affected by sickness through being by someone that is sick, or not taking care of your self. They believe it just happens.

[Nicodemus1968]

Broke faith by disobeying the word in your opinion. injured your witness? many Christians do not think drinking is wrong it is just the opinion of many ultra conservatives, the fact is the bible does not spell out drinking alcoholic beverages as a sin any more than it teaches tithing in the New Testament.



Sorry it is not forbidden, it is warned against getting too drunk, but it is never forbidden.

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them. You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed. Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand. Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

[Tithesmeister]

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them. You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed. Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand. Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

You’re kidding, right?

You have said things that are NOT true Brother. You have trashed the character of my pastor. Who is no doubt a better man than you ever hope to be. Aaaand you are demonstrating a spirit of Phariseeism that is unreal!

Brother, get hold of yourself. Exercise a little self control. Drinking wine or beer is hand in hand with pornography? Gambling?

Have you ever known anyone who drank moderately, yet was opposed to smoking?

Paul instructed Timothy to use a little wine for his belly’s sake! So you think he was lost for doing so?

Did Timothy fall into pornography? Gambling? Even drunkenness?

Boy, you need to get a reality check!

Allow the Spirit to lead and guide you into ALL truth.

[diakonos]

So they don’t believe your natural man can be affected by sickness through being by someone that is sick, or not taking care of your self. They believe it just happens.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/46d73c3cc50fa32e0e1d8c2a38007477/tenor.gif?itemid=7513882

[diakonos]

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them. You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed. Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand. Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/46d73c3cc50fa32e0e1d8c2a38007477/tenor.gif?itemid=7513882

[Nicodemus1968]

You’re kidding, right?

You have said things that are NOT true Brother. You have trashed the character of my pastor. Who is no doubt a better man than you ever hope to be. Aaaand you are demonstrating a spirit of Phariseeism that is unreal!

Brother, get hold of yourself. Exercise a little self control. Drinking wine or beer is hand in hand with pornography? Gambling?

Have you ever known anyone who drank moderately, yet was opposed to smoking?

Paul instructed Timothy to use a little wine for his belly’s sake! So you think he was lost for doing so?

Did Timothy fall into pornography? Gambling? Even drunkenness?

Boy, you need to get a reality check!

Allow the Spirit to lead and guide you into ALL truth.

I trashed the character of your Pastor? I’m sorry, yet your wrong! If anything in charter has been altered with your Pastor its because of you not me.

Tell me how your ok with getting too close to the edge and telling others I’m doing fine. No sir!

Explain to me, as you drink wine or beer in your church how your going to tell a sinner to stop smoking cigarettes? What if they only have 1 cigarette a week, isn’t that moderate? What about medical marijuana, its for their major back pain? If your ok with alcohol then you have to ok others.

Comparing Timothy being instructed by Paul for his stomach issues is ignorant. I believe its grape juice. I dont believe Paul and Timothy were out there creating moonshine and drinking it now and then.

Alcohol goes hand in hand with gambling, pornography, etc...

We have a young man in our church that was addicted to meth for over 9 years, he understands open doors or gateway drugs. Yet the “saints” dont? He would be offended or hurt if I told him go ahead and drink some wine or have a beer in moderation. It’s okay as long as you dont get drunk!?!??!?

Picture this Jesus tells his disciples to look upon a women and lust after her is committing adultery. Not even involving yourself in the physical act, yet your in adultery by the lustful thought....
And your going to tell me and others on here that as long as your not drunk your perfectly fine in the eyes of God.

[Tithesmeister]

That’s ignorant.

You and everyone on here is going to have a hard time trying to get someone that likes to smoke cigarettes off them.

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.



You drink wine, beer or any alcoholic beverage your spirit is flawed.

According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.



Your ok with alcohol, then your fine with pornography, they go hand in hand. Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.



Your ok with gambling, it goes hand in hand.

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?



Your ok with pharmaceutical depression mind altering medicine (some of you are ok with that!) it goes hand in hand. To even think some of you would be ok with it, is disheartening! Shame on everyone of you. Your going to post here and say your saved, you have the spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost inside you is ok if you drink alcohol, your not saved your just a charismatic loose living obeying another voice, saint of something else.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?



1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!



2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

Wine is never mentioned as unclean, in the entire Bible. But you have decided that it is.

[QUOTE=Nicodemus1968;1582849]

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Some of you are guided from another spirit. I know the lot of you don’t believe in anything except what you read. Yet you’ll use this word to bring your damnation.

Just because you decide something is sin, doesn’t mean it is. You are not the authority on sin. You ignore what the Bible says, until it agrees with your opinion, then you quote scripture that is totally irrelevant. Did any of these verses say anything about wine? How about finding some verses about wine, and quoting them? Like this.

Luke.7

[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sorry it is not forbidden, it is warned against getting too drunk, but it is never forbidden.

Oh, don't be sorry. I don't believe you made your case for holy bourbon inebriation. ;)

[Nicodemus1968]

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.



According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.

Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.



Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?



I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?



I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!

[QUOTE=Nicodemus1968;1582849]

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you,

Wine is never mentioned as unclean, in the entire Bible. But you have decided that it is.



Just because you decide something is sin, doesn’t mean it is. You are not the authority on sin. You ignore what the Bible says, until it agrees with your opinion, then you quote scripture that is totally irrelevant. Did any of these verses say anything about wine? How about finding some verses about wine, and quoting them? Like this.

Luke.7

[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things.

You and others often relate to “does the Bible” say its wrong. Just like with this thread “will drinking beer send you to hell?” You agreed with the administrator that said “he’s not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them”. So, because the Bible does teach against drunkenness some of AFF members take that as we can drink but not to get drunk. If thats the case then you can smoke cigarettes just as long as your not addicted. Thats why I said what I said.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?

I asked a question because of what you stated. I asked if you would be fine with your Pastor drinking a corona every now and again? You said that you were ok with it, you even went as far as to say “that is the biblical answer”. You stated your Pastor makes wine, and even now he will drink it occasionally. I’m sorry I dont have the issues, I didnt post that I’m ok with a leader of the church having a beer every now and again. Think about it!

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?

I have not drank in my life. I come from a family of drunkards. Remember alcohol is an addiction and with that addiction will go hand in hand with gambling, porn, drugs and other addictions. You can disagree, but its true.

Luke.7
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

They are relating Jesus to John the Baptist. Compare what John ate to what Jesus ate. Johns diet of locus and wild honey wasn't the same as Jesus. John probably drank water, Jesus drank wine. The wine there talking about isn’t the sangria of today. They used to take the grapes fresh off the vine and boil to a syrup and then add some of the concentrate to water. It wasn’t fermented, it wasn’t alcoholic.

You call out preachers that preach tithe, and you even put one of them on this forum in a way to shame the Pastor. Yet, your fine with your Pastor drinking a beer occasionally?

[Tithesmeister]

[QUOTE=Tithesmeister;1582869]What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things. I have drank alcohol, but very little. I have never smoked. So they go hand in hand? You’re wrong. They are separate behaviors. Both are potentially addictive. You will be saying drinking coffee goes hand in hand wit pornography next. And it will make as much sense.



According to your logic, Jesus has a flawed spirit. Because the Bible is clear that he drank wine.

Absolutely untrue. Totally separate behaviors. A ridiculous statement. One can have a porn habit and never touch alcohol or vice versa.



Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?



I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?



I don’t see anything about wine in this verse. Wine is in your mind. Did God destroy Jesus? You are making stuff up that is totally against scripture. God considered wine a blessing to the Israelites, but you think you have a better idea than God. How arrogant!



What does smoking cigarettes have to do with drinking? They are two different things.

You and others often relate to “does the Bible” say its wrong. Just like with this thread “will drinking beer send you to hell?” You agreed with the administrator that said “he’s not against having some drinks, just getting drunk by them”. So, because the Bible does teach against drunkenness some of AFF members take that as we can drink but not to get drunk. If thats the case then you can smoke cigarettes just as long as your not addicted. Thats why I said what I said.

I know you don’t mean all this. You poor guy. You have issues. I still love you though. Just don’t bad mouth my Pastor, okay? Just because he may like a little wine doesn’t mean he’s a drunkard. Do you take aspirin or ibuprofen?

I asked a question because of what you stated. I asked if you would be fine with your Pastor drinking a corona every now and again? You said that you were ok with it, you even went as far as to say “that is the biblical answer”. You stated your Pastor makes wine, and even now he will drink it occasionally. I’m sorry I dont have the issues, I didnt post that I’m ok with a leader of the church having a beer every now and again. Think about it!

Now gambling and alcohol go hand in hand? Have you ever drank in your life? Have you ever gambled? Did you do both at the same time? Always?

I have not drank in my life. I come from a family of drunkards. Remember alcohol is an addiction and with that addiction will go hand in hand with gambling, porn, drugs and other addictions. You can disagree, but its true.

Luke.7
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

They are relating Jesus to John the Baptist. Compare what John ate to what Jesus ate. Johns diet of locus and wild honey wasn't the same as Jesus. John probably drank water, Jesus drank wine. The wine there talking about isn’t the sangria of today. They used to take the grapes fresh off the vine and boil to a syrup and then add some of the concentrate to water. It wasn’t fermented, it wasn’t alcoholic.

You call out preachers that preach tithe, and you even put one of them on this forum in a way to shame the Pastor. Yet, your fine with your Pastor drinking a beer occasionally?

Oh brother. Now you’ve got them drinking nonalcoholic syrup and calling it wine. So when the Bible says wine, it doesn’t mean wine? How did they get drunk then?
Maybe it was a miracle? Why teach against being drunk if the wine is nonalcoholic? Maybe drunk doesn’t mean drunk?

Brother, you should study the difference in exegesis and eisegesis. Study the meanings of the two words. Ask yourself, which more accurately describes your study habits.

If wine is nonalcoholic, then where is the problem with overindulgence? Aaaand alcohol is not addiction. Some PEOPLE are addicted to alcohol. Some PEOPLE are addicted to gambling. Some PEOPLE kill people with guns.

If people weren’t addicted to gambling, what would happen to the casinos? They would eventually close, right?

You came from a family of drunkards. But you aren’t a drunkard. I’m not either. I could walk right through the liquor store without any temptation. So it isn’t the liquor that is an addiction. It is the person that has an addiction TO the liquor.

I wouldn’t advise anyone to drink that has had a problem with alcoholism. Nor would I drink in front of them. But taking his weakness and putting it on EVERYONE is not right either.

Do you believe Jesus drank wine?

Was it alcohol?

[Tithesmeister]

Being a drunkard will send you to hell.

Lying about tithes will too.

Drinking alcohol in moderation, will not send you to hell.

Lying about tithes in moderation will.

I’m confident that far more pastors will go to hell for lying about tithes, than there will for being drunkards. So I try to reach them.

[Nicodemus1968]

[QUOTE=Nicodemus1968;1582897]

Oh brother. Now you’ve got them drinking nonalcoholic syrup and calling it wine. So when the Bible says wine, it doesn’t mean wine? How did they get drunk then?
Maybe it was a miracle? Why teach against being drunk if the wine is nonalcoholic? Maybe drunk doesn’t mean drunk?

Brother, you should study the difference in exegesis and eisegesis. Study the meanings of the two words. Ask yourself, which more accurately describes your study habits.

If wine is nonalcoholic, then where is the problem with overindulgence? Aaaand alcohol is not addiction. Some PEOPLE are addicted to alcohol. Some PEOPLE are addicted to gambling. Some PEOPLE kill people with guns.

If people weren’t addicted to gambling, what would happen to the casinos? They would eventually close, right?

You came from a family of drunkards. But you aren’t a drunkard. I’m not either. I could walk right through the liquor store without any temptation. So it isn’t the liquor that is an addiction. It is the person that has an addiction TO the liquor.

I wouldn’t advise anyone to drink that has had a problem with alcoholism. Nor would I drink in front of them. But taking his weakness and putting it on EVERYONE is not right either.

Do you believe Jesus drank wine?

Was it alcohol?

I do not believe Jesus drank alcoholic wine. Don’t get me wrong there was alcoholic beverages back then. I do not believe Jesus partook of them, they had ways to keep there fresh grapes from fermenting. One of the examples they had for wine was like I stated they boiled the grapes and made a concentrate, that was there wine. There was other types as well, we can’t just say the Bible says Jesus turned water not wine, lets go get sangria.