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Amanah
03-21-2020, 12:54 AM
From Bishop CM Wright:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoRTgqtuAmc

Amanah
03-21-2020, 12:56 AM
From Pastor Raymond Woodward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYJFdaPoUiU

Amanah
03-21-2020, 06:11 AM
if you are home in the evenings, eRevival:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6506&stc=1&d=1584792612

Amanah
03-21-2020, 07:56 AM
God is showing us that the buildings and programs we have idolized while while going through the motions of religious life by checking the boxes does not satisfy His requirement that all saints walk in the Spirit, being led of the Spirit, in true relationship and submission in all aspects of our lives.

diakonos
03-21-2020, 07:59 AM
God is showing us that the buildings and programs we have idolized while while going through the motions of religious life by checking the boxes does not satisfy His requirement that all saints walk in the Spirit, being led of the Spirit, in true relationship and submission in all aspects of our lives.

Showing WHO?

Pressing-On
03-21-2020, 08:18 AM
God is showing us that the buildings and programs we have idolized while while going through the motions of religious life by checking the boxes does not satisfy His requirement that all saints walk in the Spirit, being led of the Spirit, in true relationship and submission in all aspects of our lives.

Well said! :highfive

Amanah
03-21-2020, 08:21 AM
Showing WHO?

Anyone who worships God when they show up at the church building but lives a self centered life the rest of the week.

Amanah
03-23-2020, 02:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmxq_YzwVA

Amanah
03-23-2020, 08:09 AM
From wikipedia:

According to the New Testament, the earliest Christians did not build church buildings. Instead, they gathered in homes (Acts 17:5, 20:20, 1 Corinthians 16:19) or in Jewish worship places like the Second Temple or synagogues (Acts 2:46, 19:8). The earliest archeologically identified Christian church is a house church (domus ecclesiae), the Dura-Europos church, founded between 233 and 256.[4] In the second half of the 3rd century AD, the first purpose-built halls for Christian worship (aula ecclesiae) began to be constructed. Although many of these were destroyed early in the next century during the Diocletianic Persecution, even larger and more elaborate church buildings began to appear during the reign of the Emperor Constantine the Great

diakonos
03-23-2020, 01:38 PM
They did not build church buildings because it was illegal.

Amanah
03-23-2020, 02:56 PM
1st century church was a mega church, they could not fit in a buiding

Pressing-On
03-23-2020, 09:09 PM
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

Barb
03-23-2020, 09:38 PM
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

Always on point... :)

Nicodemus1968
03-23-2020, 10:31 PM
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

Why didn't the other disciples get together and go and physically fight to get Paul out from his imprisonment?

KeptByTheWord
03-24-2020, 12:19 AM
1st century church was a mega church, they could not fit in a buiding
:thumbsup
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

He sure doesn't!

Why didn't the other disciples get together and go and physically fight to get Paul out from his imprisonment?

Maybe they had learned after Peter's difficult lesson when he cut off the soldier's ear, that perhaps it was better to let the Lord fight the battle, then try their hand at it....

Amanah
03-24-2020, 01:45 AM
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

:yourock

Amanah
03-24-2020, 01:59 AM
Lessons learned:

**the Church will function with or without a building.

**there is another option for dealing with this pandemic:
Let those who statistically have mild effects from covid19 to go back to work and build up "herd immunity" so the economy can function and let those who are higher risk continue to distance themselves for another month or so until it runs it course.

diakonos
03-24-2020, 04:03 AM
Why didn't the other disciples get together and go and physically fight to get Paul out from his imprisonment?

What does that have to do with her post?

Evang.Benincasa
03-24-2020, 04:11 AM
Lessons learned:

**the Church will function with or without a building.

**there is another option for dealing with this pandemic:
Let those who statistically have mild effects from covid19 to go back to work and build up "herd immunity" so the economy can function and let those who are higher risk continue to distance themselves for another month or so until it runs it course.

Better yet, the true church will function with or without us.

Esaias
03-24-2020, 04:17 AM
Why didn't the other disciples get together and go and physically fight to get Paul out from his imprisonment?

Is this a real question?

Paul appealed to Caesar. He was "under house arrest" in a rented house waiting for his court appearance before the Emperor. He was there voluntarily and intentionally. How do you not know this?

Nicodemus1968
03-24-2020, 07:55 AM
What does that have to do with her post?

Nothing, I just thought of it as I read it.

Pressing-On
03-24-2020, 12:29 PM
Nothing, I just thought of it as I read it.

Probably your first thought should have been that you immediately went negative. It is a huge problem in the church today, IMO. “...However, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth”?

Nicodemus1968
03-24-2020, 01:46 PM
Probably your first thought should have been that you immediately went negative. It is a huge problem in the church today, IMO. “...However, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth”?

On the contrary dear sister/brother. I’m not going negative with my thoughts, I was referring to Paul was in the will of God while awaiting to appeal to Caesar and then become a martyr. They didn’t storm the house he was in because they (disciples/followers) knew it was the will of God. Paul told them in his letters, Paul wasnt beat down, he wasn’t discouraged or he wasnt as I read in one writing depressed concerning the fact that his time was limited. All these threads on Coronavirus or whatever there calling it now, God is in control and the church should not worry. It doesn’t matter if the virus is produced in a lab in china or here, you shouldnt trust in men the church trusts in God. We should not fear or be afraid, because God is in control.

Nicodemus1968
03-24-2020, 01:49 PM
Probably your first thought should have been that you immediately went negative. It is a huge problem in the church today, IMO. “...However, when the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth”?

Question for you?

When Jesus returns, is he still considered the “son of man” or is he God?

Nicodemus1968
03-24-2020, 01:50 PM
From Bishop CM Wright:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoRTgqtuAmc

He has awesome teaching on Prayer and the levels of tongues.

diakonos
03-24-2020, 02:43 PM
He has awesome teaching on Prayer and the levels of tongues.

Levels of tongues?

n david
03-24-2020, 03:10 PM
Levels of tongues?

I'm curious as well.

TGBTG
03-24-2020, 05:51 PM
Question for you?

When Jesus returns, is he still considered the “son of man” or is he God?

Both

Nicodemus1968
03-24-2020, 07:09 PM
Levels of tongues?

He has a podcast of all his teachings. His older teachings on tongues is very good!

Amanah
03-27-2020, 02:31 AM
I don't believe God caused CV19 or that it is a judgement on the world.

God does use our trials and struggles to perfect us and bring us closer to Him.

I have listened to several Pastors during this time of isolation and there is a common message. In the life of a child of God, there are no sacred spaces, no separation between the secular and holy.
Every aspect of our lives must be holy. We are the Church, we need to be able to maintain a walk with God, pray and fast and hear from God whether or not we are able to meet in a building.
This is a time when people are having to face who they really are. We can't be one way when we enter a building 3 times a week and then someone else on at home, on the job, or in the store.

We are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves, and are instructed to live our lives in community with each other. We are instructed to love each other with a pure heart fervently.
This is up close and personal. Anyone who does not long to be reunited in fellowship with their Church family, is not right with God.

I believe we will come through this stronger than we were before because there are strong lessons to be learned if we will but learn them.

loran adkins
03-27-2020, 06:02 AM
What gets me about this virus, is how the media seems to only report on the negative points about this virus not on the positive. Like how many have contracted the virus, but not how little amount of deaths in comparison to other past pandemics.

I was reading accouple of news stories today, and one was a comparison of those that have contracted the virus, and then in Quotations was the amount of deaths. As if they did not want to emphasis the amount of deaths was so little in comparison, and the fact that the confirmand cases were so small in the first place.

Evang.Benincasa
03-27-2020, 06:05 AM
What gets me about this virus, is how the media seems to only report on the negative points about this virus not on the positive. Like how many have contracted the virus, but not how little amount of deaths in comparison to other past pandemics.

I was reading accouple of news stories today, and one was a comparison of those that have contracted the virus, and then in Quotations was the amount of deaths. As if they did not want to emphasis the amount of deaths was so little in comparison, and the fact that the confirmand cases were so small in the first place.

Are the newspapers reporting those who have RECOVERED???

No???

Wait!

I can hear it!!!

Hulk Hogan’s theme song!

We are saved!!!

Mr Trump, hold me!!! :tissue

loran adkins
03-27-2020, 06:34 AM
Are the newspapers reporting those who have RECOVERED???

No???

Wait!

I can hear it!!!

Hulk Hogan’s theme song!

We are saved!!!

Mr Trump, hold me!!! :tissue

No. I have talk radio on all day and I check the news every morning. All I see and hear are how many contracted the virus, and how many died. So I started to do a little research and found that the numbers don't even come close to the numbers in past years. Even the flu this year far out number those that have died from corona virus.

Amanah
03-27-2020, 06:54 AM
No. I have talk radio on all day and I check the news every morning. All I see and hear are how many contracted the virus, and how many died. So I started to do a little research and found that the numbers don't even come close to the numbers in past years. Even the flu this year far out number those that have died from corona virus.

I believe the issue is that we have no herd immunity; therefore public services, emergency services, and health care services could be overwhelmed.

coksiw
03-27-2020, 12:44 PM
They did not build church buildings because it was illegal.

This is the first time I hear about that. Do you have any reference to it I can look at?

Synagogues were legal in the Roma empire. You can see it in Acts.

n david
03-27-2020, 01:11 PM
Pretty sure AZ is headed for Shelter in Place orders. The news announced AZ had it's largest 24hr increase in confirmed cases and deaths. (No word on those who have beaten the virus, of course)

The DHS head here says AZ won't likely peak until April with hospitalizations peaking in MAY!

Esaias
03-27-2020, 06:30 PM
I believe the issue is that we have no herd immunity; therefore public services, emergency services, and health care services could be overwhelmed.

Herd immunity? They might as well prescribe leeches and wave chickens around.

Evang.Benincasa
03-30-2020, 11:05 PM
Herd immunity? They might as well prescribe leeches and wave chickens around.

:happydance :heeheehee :happydance

:happydance :yourock :happydance

Ron
04-01-2020, 04:02 AM
My perspective this evening.

Paul was under house arrest when he wrote Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. We don’t know what God causes, but we know He doesn’t waste the time. :thumbsup

A Jewel found that says it succinctly.😇👍

Ron
04-01-2020, 04:04 AM
This is the first time I hear about that. Do you have any reference to it I can look at?

Synagogues were legal in the Roma empire. You can see it in Acts.

Synagogues may have been legal but Synagogues wer one of a few things that the Jews brought back from Babylon.

loran adkins
04-01-2020, 05:46 AM
I believe the issue is that we have no herd immunity; therefore public services, emergency services, and health care services could be overwhelmed.

That is a new term I have not heard of before this, I have lived through several pandemics through out most of then that were after 1959. Never have I seen the world go to such extremes as they have now. Especially for so few a # of people. There are less than 4,050 deaths in US. That is the whole United States. New York the epicenter has had 76,000 confirmed cases, of which only 1,550 have died. This is New York where their health care providers that amount of health care all the time. They are set up to handle large numbers of health care problems.

Ron
04-01-2020, 06:45 AM
[Coronavirus Death Rate Could Be Way Lower Than Previously Thought, Scientists Say] http://va.newsrepublic.net/al/NhbeMe

n david
04-07-2020, 09:01 PM
This article made me think of Nicodemus1968

Man with lifelong lung condition beat the virus...

“”He told Fox News, “I have been hospitalized more times than I can count. However, this one was different. This was a deep and dark spiritual warfare."”

“”The founder and president of the Avila Institute for Spiritual Formation, an online Catholic learning center, recently wrote a book, "Spiritual Warfare and the Discernment of Spirits," which he said helped him in this "battle of battles.””

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/coronavirus-survivor-who-has-lifelong-lung-condition-credits-prayer-for-miraculous-recovery

n david
04-14-2020, 04:36 PM
https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92570559_3417136151648821_5544217014316302336_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQmH7GbWXKpLJjP5oW9AEQdSowuwdjM-eYYxyb4wfi0GSIDmjYNVP10Ho8qc_0IWME8wwPl7b4MDqzWsL_ Zq76tn&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=8e1efd30b2fff5f3ca5b07b4ca698e6b&oe=5EBDA726

n david
04-14-2020, 04:39 PM
https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93329857_3357539824264385_7840762493075980288_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQnnV0fTg6aNVYHs-V2jC48Py_yRg0cIsnBAfgviZnWVidv2q5Yw5B0lDQ3mDCto2I_ s9b4TzIUrbTARJDG7YaHX&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-1.fna&oh=cb7154ae602c73b68a223ce5306f7e2c&oe=5EBCB41C

Amanah
04-14-2020, 04:41 PM
:heeheehee

Freeindeed
04-14-2020, 07:02 PM
https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93329857_3357539824264385_7840762493075980288_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQnnV0fTg6aNVYHs-V2jC48Py_yRg0cIsnBAfgviZnWVidv2q5Yw5B0lDQ3mDCto2I_ s9b4TzIUrbTARJDG7YaHX&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-1.fna&oh=cb7154ae602c73b68a223ce5306f7e2c&oe=5EBCB41C

Now this was funny! I needed a little laughter today. Thanks

Esaias
04-15-2020, 12:42 AM
This and several other threads have pretty much exposed the plandemic for what it is: a collection of misrepresentations, fake statistics, lies, ommissions, and intentional panic-mongering, on the part of the media, the government, and powerful lobby groups, pharmaceutical and medical businesses, and wealthy private organizations working on an agenda.

So then, that being the case, it is probably time for each Christian to consider "Why? What's the GOAL of all this created crisis?" And identify how that may affect you, your family, and your community in the future (short term AND long term). As well as identifying what position you and your family need to be in to adapt and more importantly overcome the changes rapidly taking place.

Scott Pitta
04-15-2020, 01:07 AM
There is nothing fake or dishonest about 29,897 dead Americans.

What is lacking is compassion.

Nearly 30,000 families lost a loved one to this pandemic. My sympathy goes out to them.

Esaias
04-15-2020, 02:38 AM
There is nothing fake or dishonest about 29,897 dead Americans.

What is lacking is compassion.

Nearly 30,000 families lost a loved one to this pandemic. My sympathy goes out to them.

Fake news, to go along with your fake sympathy. You're in the wrong thread. You should be reading the obituaries, looking for an opportunity to roll your eyes. Just like you said you would.

Evang.Benincasa
04-15-2020, 06:12 AM
There is nothing fake or dishonest about 29,897 dead Americans.

What is lacking is compassion.

Nearly 30,000 families lost a loved one to this pandemic. My sympathy goes out to them.

Scott is the guy who will be encouraging us to listen to reason. While we help MeeMaw, and the children unto the cattlecar. Scott, will explain to us that relocation is wise and that “they” are just trying to keep us safe. Also that the pregnant women must not drink rain water, and Donald Trump is bad, because he is bad.

Freeindeed
04-15-2020, 06:29 AM
There is nothing fake or dishonest about 29,897 dead Americans.

What is lacking is compassion.

Nearly 30,000 families lost a loved one to this pandemic. My sympathy goes out to them.

How many of those deaths were actually from coronavirus? It's already been proven that they are applying coronavirus to people who died and were never tested.

Another thing to question is why we shut down the country and wrecked our economy for a virus that allegedly killed just 0.00008542 of our population?

Amanah
09-02-2020, 09:40 AM
What have we learned from CV19 to date? I believe this has been a thought provoking learning exercise. I'm convinced that the Church will respond differently going forward as this year has been a wake up call on so many levels. Do hospitals and first responders hide and close their doors when there is an emergency? Of course not.
We will never be the same, we will be better.

Nicodemus1968
09-02-2020, 12:29 PM
What have we learned from CV19 to date? I believe this has been a thought provoking learning exercise. I'm convinced that the Church will respond differently going forward as this year has been a wake up call on so many levels. Do hospitals and first responders hide and close their doors when there is an emergency? Of course not.
We will never be the same, we will be better.

:thumbsup

Evang.Benincasa
09-02-2020, 04:53 PM
What have we learned from CV19 to date? I believe this has been a thought provoking learning exercise. I'm convinced that the Church will respond differently going forward as this year has been a wake up call on so many levels. Do hospitals and first responders hide and close their doors when there is an emergency? Of course not.
We will never be the same, we will be better.

A wake up call? We will never be the same, we will be better? Please explain.

Amanah
09-02-2020, 05:11 PM
A wake up call? We will never be the same, we will be better? Please explain.

People are very skeptical of the govt and the direction we are headed, and the loss of our rights and freedom. I dont believe church people will be as willing to comply and trusting in the future. The last few months have changed people.

jediwill83
09-02-2020, 06:51 PM
People are very skeptical of the govt and the direction we are headed, and the loss of our rights and freedom. I dont believe church people will be as willing to comply and trusting in the future. The last few months have changed people.




Sis...you arent seeing change...you're seeing a revelation of mindsets that have been in existence all this time...thats the scary thing...these people have been capable of this craziness this whole time, they just needing an opportunity and for it to become socially acceptable to behave as such. This has been building for a while.

Evang.Benincasa
09-02-2020, 07:16 PM
People are very skeptical of the govt and the direction we are headed, and the loss of our rights and freedom. I dont believe church people will be as willing to comply and trusting in the future. The last few months have changed people.

Sister, please forgive me, but what are you saying about church people? Down here they were as compliant as could be. Please correct me if I am wrong, but we had a thread going full speed on some pastor who refused to close his doors during the quarantine. People "Apostolic Pentecostals" were posting against his decision to continue to hold services. This topic of the COVID 19 has caused "church people" to fight amongst themselves half defending the government who is making them wear masks. I'm sorry sister the church at large dropped the watermelon on this one.

Evang.Benincasa
09-02-2020, 08:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0BEH-uR3Ag&ab_channel=ViableTv

Tithesmeister
09-02-2020, 08:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0BEH-uR3Ag&ab_channel=ViableTv

That’s a great video.

Amanah
09-03-2020, 02:49 AM
Sister, please forgive me, but what are you saying about church people? Down here they were as compliant as could be. Please correct me if I am wrong, but we had a thread going full speed on some pastor who refused to close his doors during the quarantine. People "Apostolic Pentecostals" were posting against his decision to continue to hold services. This topic of the COVID 19 has caused "church people" to fight amongst themselves half defending the government who is making them wear masks. I'm sorry sister the church at large dropped the watermelon on this one.

Yes, at first most were defending compliance, but after a few months people began to change and see something sinister in the handling of the virus and the attack on people's freedoms.
I think people are wiser and less trusting of the govt and less willing to comply. At least I have seen a change in attitude with people in my area.
People voted down mask laws in both Brevard and Indian River Counties. People showed up in good numbers at council meetings to protest.
At first people came to church with masks on, but now maybe one or two people wear a mask to church. So, I have seen a change in attitudes in the last few months.

n david
09-03-2020, 10:42 AM
North Valley Baptist Church has been receiving fines that have increased to $5,000 per service. It's now up to over $52,000 in fines. The Santa Clara County Counsel James Williams has targeted the church and has stated the fines will be even higher if the church continues to meet and hold in-person services. The church just resumed in-person services after going months without them. The Pastor has posted videos on FB pleading with the county to stop the fines. It appears the church is not going to stop meeting in person. The church also houses a Bible college and students are beginning to arrive for the new school year. The county has stated the church college will be fined $5,000+ per day if it conducts in-person classes.

There are less than 7 cases/day per 100,000 residents in Santa Clara. Where the church is located it is 8.6 cases/day per 100,000 residents. There is no health reason why the County Council continues to shut down churches and businesses.

n david
09-03-2020, 11:23 AM
Grace Community Church in California recently won a lawsuit against LA County for the right to have in-person services. LA County was so angry, it sent a notice of intent to terminate the agreement the county had with the church to use the county's land next to the church as a parking lot.

Petty.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/la-county-loses-court-battle-grace-community-church-county-sends-eviction-notice-sunday/

Esaias
09-03-2020, 12:08 PM
It's not about health.

It's about control.

jediwill83
09-03-2020, 01:22 PM
It's not about health.

It's about control.


Bingo.


If they didnt see themselves as masters they wouldn't be reacting this way...they are acting under the assumption of superiority.

Evang.Benincasa
09-03-2020, 09:04 PM
It's not about health.

It's about control.

https://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e201b7c815f788970b-pi

Jito463
09-04-2020, 07:46 PM
It's not about health.

It's about control.

Same with "gun control". It was never about the guns, it was always about control. Government in the US was intended to protect our freedoms, but have instead become the tyrants who are taking them away.