Introduction of "Digital Dollar"

[Esaias]

|Mar 23, 2020,08:23pm EDT
New Coronavirus Stimulus Bill In Congress Creates U.S. Digital Dollar

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2020/03/23/new-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-introduces-digital-dollar-and-digital-dollar-wallets/#6eb29ea54bea

[Evang.Benincasa]

Digital wallets are already here. I’ve always sold gym weights. Ever since I was 12, I’ve sold dumbbells, barbells, plates, kettlebells, or my own created implements. Well the NWOvirus caused gyms to close all over the United States. So, I have literally sold more weight than I have ever sold in my entire life. While I deal strictly in cash, the guys and gals asked me if I have Zelle (which I do) but never really use. Plus they mentioned other electronic wallet apps. But I just tell them to bring cash. So for years they have been trying to go cashless. Hey we already use worthless pieces of paper backed by debt instead of gold. So what’s the difference if we use “thin air” backed by debt? Nebuchadnezzar’s image (if it was future) should of went from gold to the feet being made of paper and digital numbers. Good grief.

[Evang.Benincasa]

“Is there a way of paying and picking up that maintains social distancing? I can pay PayPal or Venmo and you leave them somewhere where we con't come into contact? Thanks.”

Here was one individual who contacted me to buy weights.
Wanted to use digital money.

[jediwill83]

I use several electronic cash apps...comes in handy

[diakonos]

“Is there a way of paying and picking up that maintains social distancing? I can pay PayPal or Venmo and you leave them somewhere where we con't come into contact? Thanks.”

Here was one individual who contacted me to buy weights.
Wanted to use digital money.

What if you cough on the weights :lol

[n david]

Someone posted this to FB and mentioned it's the prelude to the Mark of the Beast.

People have been using Bitcoin for a while now. I don't see the issue with digital currency. We basically use it now with our phone apps and debit cards. People rarely use actual paper money anymore.

There is an update to the article: "Updated on 3/24/20 at 11:45 AM: The final version of the economic stimulus package offered by Speaker Pelosi the House Democrats no longer includes the U.S. Digital Dollar proposal; however, the language as proposed by Chairwoman Waters of the House Financial Services Committee still contains this language."

[Nicodemus1968]

Someone posted this to FB and mentioned it's the prelude to the Mark of the Beast.

People have been using Bitcoin for a while now. I don't see the issue with digital currency. We basically use it now with our phone apps and debit cards. People rarely use actual paper money anymore.

There is an update to the article: "Updated on 3/24/20 at 11:45 AM: The final version of the economic stimulus package offered by Speaker Pelosi the House Democrats no longer includes the U.S. Digital Dollar proposal; however, the language as proposed by Chairwoman Waters of the House Financial Services Committee still contains this language."

I’m so glad you dont believe in that brother. All that made up Hollywood garbage.

[Nicodemus1968]

I have digital money, I use ApplePay all day long. I also have cash at the house. I dont believe things changing into a more technological advance is always a bad thing. Yet, with everything we use moderation.

[KeptByTheWord]

A crisis always ushers in the back door things we would never stomach before. Our freedoms are being eroded day by day. A digital wallet will soon ensure that everything you do will be monitored and tracked. It will usher in control over every aspect of our lives. Regardless of whether you want to believe in the mark of the beast or not... everyone sees the possibilities becoming more and more a reality. Soon, buying and selling will not be possible on a large scale, without digital access.

[jediwill83]

I have digital money, I use ApplePay all day long. I also have cash at the house. I dont believe things changing into a more technological advance is always a bad thing. Yet, with everything we use moderation.




Yep...everything in moderation ESPECIALLY moderation. 😂

[jediwill83]

A crisis always ushers in the back door things we would never stomach before. Our freedoms are being eroded day by day. A digital wallet will soon ensure that everything you do will be monitored and tracked. It will usher in control over every aspect of our lives. Regardless of whether you want to believe in the mark of the beast or not... everyone sees the possibilities becoming more and more a reality. Soon, buying and selling will not be possible on a large scale, without digital access.


The agorist marketplace is growing in some circles...people that buy sell, trade and barter outside governmental interference, control and or observation.


What you will see is the government escalating its regulation.


Government is like this really unhealthy mom and son relationship where she sabotages any attempt to become self sufficient and independent...the more you struggle to pull away the tighter she ties those apron strings...its for the best you know?

[Esaias]

Someone posted this to FB and mentioned it's the prelude to the Mark of the Beast.

People have been using Bitcoin for a while now. I don't see the issue with digital currency. We basically use it now with our phone apps and debit cards. People rarely use actual paper money anymore.

There is an update to the article: "Updated on 3/24/20 at 11:45 AM: The final version of the economic stimulus package offered by Speaker Pelosi the House Democrats no longer includes the U.S. Digital Dollar proposal; however, the language as proposed by Chairwoman Waters of the House Financial Services Committee still contains this language."

Bitcoin is a private digital currency. Complete and total sham and I believe may violate the Divine prohibition against false weights and measures (not that anybody is remotely concerned about God's opinion these days) but it is still private.

A "Digital Dollar" is something a bit different. Besides the fact that the Constitution seems to demand gold as currency the main issue is control. If anyone thinks the government would craft a program that allows genuine privacy and autonomy they are living in a fantasy land. Nobody who values liberty would want digital currency set up and maintained by the government. What, you didn't comply with some stupid communistic social edict? -brrrp- there, all your financials are locked, no more money for you. Good like buying food or paying bills now.

That's where things are headed, based on the public statements of the people with the power to make such things happen. Blockchain currency has a useful place. But under government control? Uh, nah thanks bruh. Think I'll pass.

[jediwill83]

"Bitcoin is a private digital currency. Complete and total sham and I believe may violate the Divine prohibition against false weights and measures (not that anybody is remotely concerned about God's opinion these days) but it is still private.

A "Digital Dollar" is something a bit different. Besides the fact that the Constitution seems to demand gold as currency"


By your definition wouldnt our current currency be a violation of False Weights and Measures since we are no longer on the gold standard?

[Esaias]

"Bitcoin is a private digital currency. Complete and total sham and I believe may violate the Divine prohibition against false weights and measures (not that anybody is remotely concerned about God's opinion these days) but it is still private.

A "Digital Dollar" is something a bit different. Besides the fact that the Constitution seems to demand gold as currency"


By your definition wouldnt our current currency be a violation of False Weights and Measures since we are no longer on the gold standard?

A difficult question (hence why I said "may") but a lot of people have said the fiat currency in use now is based on a false weight and measure. I think this a good subject to get into and it's been something I've been thinking about for a few years off and on.

[n david]

A "Digital Dollar" is something a bit different. Besides the fact that the Constitution seems to demand gold as currency the main issue is control. If anyone thinks the government would craft a program that allows genuine privacy and autonomy they are living in a fantasy land. Nobody who values liberty would want digital currency set up and maintained by the government. What, you didn't comply with some stupid communistic social edict? -brrrp- there, all your financials are locked, no more money for you. Good like buying food or paying bills now.
I see what you mean. Good points.

[consapente89]

I’m so glad you dont believe in that brother. All that made up Hollywood garbage.

Really?

[n david]

What, you didn't comply with some stupid communistic social edict? -brrrp- there, all your financials are locked, no more money for you. Good like buying food or paying bills now.
There are some businesses even today who have had their banking accounts closed and had PayPal and other services shut down their accounts because of politics.

[n david]

I’m so glad you dont believe in that brother. All that made up Hollywood garbage.
Are you being serious or sarcastic? :hmmm

I believe there will be tribulation ahead, but I don't believe this is it.

[diakonos]

Preterism, dude.

[diakonos]

Really?

Yes, really.

[Esaias]

There are some businesses even today who have had their banking accounts closed and had PayPal and other services shut down their accounts because of politics.

Exactly. Now imagine if all financial assets, currency, and information, accounts, etc were digital AND under uncle Sam's control.

Bitcoin was originally a statist's worst nightmare due to its pricacy and anonymity. So central banks and now governments want to get in on it "for the chirrenz" of course.

[consapente89]

Nicodemus....are you preterist?

[Nicodemus1968]

Nicodemus....are you preterist?

No I am not!

I just believe Gods word came to pass upon whom it was intended for, and wasn’t delayed for 2000 years.

[consapente89]

No I am not!

I just believe Gods word came to pass upon whom it was intended for, and wasn’t delayed for 2000 years.

Do you believe that there is a future second coming? A future resurrection? A future millennial reign?

The mark of the beast is not a future event?

[Nicodemus1968]

Do you believe that there is a future second coming? A future resurrection? A future millennial reign?

The mark of the beast is not a future event?

I know many that will disagree with you on the mark of the beast. They believe it’s a future event that will show your approval for the Antichrist. You won’t be able to buy or sell without 666 on your forehead. I believe in Sixth Day Man, not some 666 mark on your skin.

[consapente89]

I know many that will disagree with you on the mark of the beast. They believe it’s a future event that will show your approval for the Antichrist. You won’t be able to buy or sell without 666 on your forehead. I believe in Sixth Day Man, not some 666 mark on your skin.

I'm sorry. I meant do you believe the mark of the beast is a future event? What is sixth day man?

[diakonos]

Nicodemus....are you preterist?

Yes, he is. He says no because he believes that most full preterists are cessationists. So, he can say “No, I am not” on a technicality.

[consapente89]

Nicodemus....is Jesus coming back?

[Nicodemus1968]

Yes, he is. He says no because he believes that most full preterists are cessationists. So, he can say “No, I am not” on a technicality.

:heeheehee
I had to look up what that word meant.

[Nicodemus1968]

Nicodemus....is Jesus coming back?

No sir, I don’t believe in a second physical coming of Jesus Christ.

[consapente89]

No sir, I don’t believe in a second physical coming of Jesus Christ.

Thanks for answering..

[diakonos]

Thanks for answering..

You’re welcome

[Esaias]

You’re welcome

Uh...?

[diakonos]

Uh...?

You’re also welcome.

[Esaias]

You’re also welcome.

Are you larping as Nicodemus?

[TGBTG]

No sir, I don’t believe in a second physical coming of Jesus Christ.

Do you believe in any kind of future coming of Christ?

[consapente89]

You’re welcome
:smack

[diakonos]

:smack

Sup brah?

[Nicodemus1968]

Do you believe in any kind of future coming of Christ?

No sir, I do not believe God is coming to earth to rapture his church so he can destroy everyone. I believe his wrath was upon his chosen people Israel for the adulteries they committed. I dont believe God is going to go back to Israel as his chosen and the church now, will be a concubine. I do believe as Jesus talked to his followers he spoke to them and for their generation, not to me and my generation. He wasnt mad and full of indignation against America and this present world, he was mad at Israel for rebelling against his word, for killing the prophets that he sent. As the jews said before he was crucified “let his blood be upon us and our children.” America didnt say that, the Catholic Church didnt say that, the trinitarians didnt say that, Israel did. His wrath was upon them and their old covenant world. And he destroyed them in 70 A.D.

Go learn where and when this doctrine started. Read about Margret McDonald the prophetess from the 1800’s. Name several different religions and compare to Apostolic/Pentecostals we dont agree on
Baptism
Speaking in tongues
ONE GOD
Acts 2:38
Modesty
Holiness
Separation

But we do agree in Jesus is coming back for the 3rd time, sorry #2???.

It has to be #3 because he came on the day of Pentecost, he came in 70 AD and destroyed the covenant world of Israel and now he’s coming Again in our time some time.

Even Rev. David Bernard stated in one of his books when Jesus came as the comforter that constitutes as a coming and then he even mentioned the bloodbath in 70 AD. So, this is Gods #3 return.

[Nicodemus1968]

I'm sorry. I meant do you believe the mark of the beast is a future event? What is sixth day man?

Man was created on the 6th day of the week, same as the beasts.

Go and learn what that meaneth....

Brother there is a greater revelation waiting for you.

[consapente89]

Man was created on the 6th day of the week, same as the beasts.

Go and learn what that meaneth....

Brother there is a greater revelation waiting for you.

I’m sorry brother, but I’ve seen people who got your revelation that were strong Apostolics and it destroyed them. No offense. I don’t disagree with all of your points but there is no way I can accept that ALL of Bible prophecy is fulfilled.

[consapente89]

I don’t believe Darbyism and I know that Margaret McDonald was a cool. I get that. Not all premillennialists buy into their eschatology. I also know and believe that the church is the bride of Christ, spiritual Israel.

[consapente89]

Brother Nicodemus, I have a question for you. Do you know any strong Apostolic churches that are strong on the message of One God, the New Birth, and strong message of Holiness and separation from the world that also believe in a fulfilled eschatology?

[diakonos]

I’m sorry brother, but I’ve seen people who got your revelation that were strong Apostolics and it destroyed them. No offense. I don’t disagree with all of your points but there is no way I can accept that ALL of Bible prophecy is fulfilled.
Destroyed them?

[diakonos]

Brother Nicodemus, I have a question for you. Do you know any strong Apostolic churches that are strong on the message of One God, the New Birth, and strong message of Holiness and separation from the world that also believe in a fulfilled eschatology?

I do. I won’t tell you who it is. He can reveal himself if he’d like.

[Esaias]

No sir, I do not believe God is coming to earth to rapture his church so he can destroy everyone. I believe his wrath was upon his chosen people Israel for the adulteries they committed. I dont believe God is going to go back to Israel as his chosen and the church now, will be a concubine. I do believe as Jesus talked to his followers he spoke to them and for their generation, not to me and my generation. He wasnt mad and full of indignation against America and this present world, he was mad at Israel for rebelling against his word, for killing the prophets that he sent. As the jews said before he was crucified “let his blood be upon us and our children.” America didnt say that, the Catholic Church didnt say that, the trinitarians didnt say that, Israel did. His wrath was upon them and their old covenant world. And he destroyed them in 70 A.D.

Go learn where and when this doctrine started. Read about Margret McDonald the prophetess from the 1800’s. Name several different religions and compare to Apostolic/Pentecostals we dont agree on
Baptism
Speaking in tongues
ONE GOD
Acts 2:38
Modesty
Holiness
Separation

But we do agree in Jesus is coming back for the 3rd time, sorry #2???.

It has to be #3 because he came on the day of Pentecost, he came in 70 AD and destroyed the covenant world of Israel and now he’s coming Again in our time some time.

Even Rev. David Bernard stated in one of his books when Jesus came as the comforter that constitutes as a coming and then he even mentioned the bloodbath in 70 AD. So, this is Gods #3 return.

1. Israel is not and never was a different entity from the church.

2. If the wrath of God was expended in 70AD, then there is no Judgment and everyone since then cannot face any wrath of God nor do unbelievers abide with the wrath of God (John 3:36)

3. Coming of the Lord explained here, starting in post number 6: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=50706

[Nicodemus1968]

I’m sorry brother, but I’ve seen people who got your revelation that were strong Apostolics and it destroyed them. No offense. I don’t disagree with all of your points but there is no way I can accept that ALL of Bible prophecy is fulfilled.

Brother, no offense taken.

I have believed this way for over 15 years. There are others here on this forum that believe this, yet they can say that for themselves.

[consapente89]

Brother, no offense taken.

I have believed this way for over 15 years. There are others here on this forum that believe this, yet they can say that for themselves.

I’m aware. I would not mind reading a clear presentation from an Apostolic that believed this way. I have no interest in sifting grouch threads and blog posts though.

[diakonos]

I’m aware. I would not mind reading a clear presentation from an Apostolic that believed this way. I have no interest in sifting grouch threads and blog posts though.

Didn’t you make a thread 2 yrs ago?

[consapente89]

Didn’t you make a thread 2 yrs ago?

Maybe?

[consapente89]

Didn’t you make a thread 2 yrs ago?

No, I don’t think so.

[diakonos]

No, I don’t think so.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=50724

[consapente89]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=50724

ohhhhhhh

[diakonos]

ohhhhhhh

Ya

[Nicodemus1968]

No, I don’t think so.

Think about it, we had 4000 years of the Old Covenant, and were only 2000 years into the Covenant of grace. What does that mean to you? Why do you believe there is an end to this age? Do you believe the Apostles believed they were living in the last days? Peter spoke of it,

Acts 2:16-17
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

He was quoting,

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I heard preachers quoting Acts 2:17 stating that our age is when this verse is being fulfilled. So, who’s time was Joel’s prophecy fulfilled in the Apostles or ours? Because Peter quoted “in the last days”, so if it’s in our time the “last days” are sure really long.

[consapente89]

Think about it, we had 4000 years of the Old Covenant, and were only 2000 years into the Covenant of grace. What does that mean to you? Why do you believe there is an end to this age? Do you believe the Apostles believed they were living in the last days? Peter spoke of it,

Acts 2:16-17
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

He was quoting,

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I heard preachers quoting Acts 2:17 stating that our age is when this verse is being fulfilled. So, who’s time was Joel’s prophecy fulfilled in the Apostles or ours? Because Peter quoted “in the last days”, so if it’s in our time the “last days” are sure really long.

The last days began at Pentecost.

[Esaias]

Think about it, we had 4000 years of the Old Covenant, and were only 2000 years into the Covenant of grace. What does that mean to you? Why do you believe there is an end to this age? Do you believe the Apostles believed they were living in the last days? Peter spoke of it,

Acts 2:16-17
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

He was quoting,

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I heard preachers quoting Acts 2:17 stating that our age is when this verse is being fulfilled. So, who’s time was Joel’s prophecy fulfilled in the Apostles or ours? Because Peter quoted “in the last days”, so if it’s in our time the “last days” are sure really long.

1. You avoid my posts like the plague, pretending not to notice them. Why? Because they utterly refute some of your ideas. So, you carry on as if nobody has corrected your errors. It appears quite intentional and wilful, there are none so blind as they who choose not to even look, let alone see, etc.

2. Armapeet made this exact sameclaim about 4000 years under the old covenant and was soundly corrected by brother Blume for it. Weren't you there in that discussion? Or are you Armapeet? Anyway, the old covenant began at Sinai approx 1500 BC. So there were approx 1500 years of old civenant, not 4000 years. How is it you are a teacher and don't have these really basic Bible facts down? This is what gives Pentecost a bad name.

Serious, real question here. How is it you claim to be spiritual (and the rest of are natural/fleshly/carnal) as if you have superior insight and knowledge, and yet you completely fail at basic facts that even my preteens don't? Shouldn't you instead be learning your Bible and basic facts before you go about teaching?

If anyone teaches, they need to have their ducks in quite a neat straight row. If not, they need to be called out on it. So, "Nicodemus, phone call!"

[Birddog]

I really think Nic is armpit!

he is appearing to be quite devious.

[consapente89]

I really think Nic is armpit!

he is appearing to be quite devious.

Does Birddog believe fulfilled eschatology also?

[Nicodemus1968]

1. You avoid my posts like the plague, pretending not to notice them. Why? Because they utterly refute some of your ideas. So, you carry on as if nobody has corrected your errors. It appears quite intentional and wilful, there are none so blind as they who choose not to even look, let alone see, etc.

2. Armapeet made this exact sameclaim about 4000 years under the old covenant and was soundly corrected by brother Blume for it. Weren't you there in that discussion? Or are you Armapeet? Anyway, the old covenant began at Sinai approx 1500 BC. So there were approx 1500 years of old civenant, not 4000 years. How is it you are a teacher and don't have these really basic Bible facts down? This is what gives Pentecost a bad name.

Serious, real question here. How is it you claim to be spiritual (and the rest of are natural/fleshly/carnal) as if you have superior insight and knowledge, and yet you completely fail at basic facts that even my preteens don't? Shouldn't you instead be learning your Bible and basic facts before you go about teaching?

If anyone teaches, they need to have their ducks in quite a neat straight row. If not, they need to be called out on it. So, "Nicodemus, phone call!"

Esaias, I wanted to talk about heaven and earth in the previous thread and what response do I get, “this thread is old and vanished away.” Now you want to discuss, that’s fine. I have a service call and estimate to give I’ll be back.

[Nicodemus1968]

The last days began at Pentecost.

Then the last days have been going on for 2000 years. That’s doesn’t make any sense.

Matthew 24:3 KJVS
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

When is the end of the world? When is the tribulation?

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What generation is Jesus talking to? Brother why would Jesus say this if it’s really meant for our age? Someone is wrong, someone got their time wrong.

[Nicodemus1968]

1. You avoid my posts like the plague, pretending not to notice them. Why? Because they utterly refute some of your ideas. So, you carry on as if nobody has corrected your errors. It appears quite intentional and wilful, there are none so blind as they who choose not to even look, let alone see, etc.

2. Armapeet made this exact sameclaim about 4000 years under the old covenant and was soundly corrected by brother Blume for it. Weren't you there in that discussion? Or are you Armapeet? Anyway, the old covenant began at Sinai approx 1500 BC. So there were approx 1500 years of old civenant, not 4000 years. How is it you are a teacher and don't have these really basic Bible facts down? This is what gives Pentecost a bad name.

Serious, real question here. How is it you claim to be spiritual (and the rest of are natural/fleshly/carnal) as if you have superior insight and knowledge, and yet you completely fail at basic facts that even my preteens don't? Shouldn't you instead be learning your Bible and basic facts before you go about teaching?

If anyone teaches, they need to have their ducks in quite a neat straight row. If not, they need to be called out on it. So, "Nicodemus, phone call!"

First off I never said you were carnal, that’s your conscience talking not me! Second I was referring to the thread that diakonos posted, I was asking consepente89 what he thought about that.

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened. My kids believe that happened, but you yourself a scholar or a teacher of the sabbath believes not?

[diakonos]

Does Birddog believe fulfilled eschatology also?

Let loose the hounds

[diakonos]

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.


The comedy :lol

[diakonos]

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened
what!?

[KeptByTheWord]

In my mind, these two things are settled.
1. No man knows the day or hour.
Mark 13:32 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2. We will ALL KNOW when Jesus returns.
Matt. 24:30-31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

And the rest... only God knows. I find great comfort in these two facts. :)

[Nicodemus1968]

In my mind, these two things are settled.
1. No man knows the day or hour.
Mark 13:32 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

2. We will ALL KNOW when Jesus returns.
Matt. 24:30-31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

And the rest... only God knows. I find great comfort in these two facts. :)

Except our Lord Jesus said 4 verses after what you quoted...

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If it’s for our time, about 50 generations have passed already. Someone is wrong.

[Esaias]

First off I never said you were carnal, that’s your conscience talking not me! Second I was referring to the thread that diakonos posted, I was asking consepente89 what he thought about that.

Second, your living in some limbo adhering to some of the law and some of the new covenant. Or because you believe heaven and earth has not passed maybe you perform animals sacrifices still.

You believe Satan presenting himself before God was some poetry writing, and never happened. My kids believe that happened, but you yourself a scholar or a teacher of the sabbath believes not?

See how you consistently fail to address any points made to you that show you basically don't know what you're talking about?

I gave you the link and even copied and pasted a thorough study on the Coming of the Lord. You ignored it the first time. I mentioned that to you and you said you missed it (how you missed 2 whole pages of an ongoing discussion you were taking part in is curious) and would go back and read it. Then, nothing. Silent running. Weeks later another thread, another discussion, and you start up with this goofball "Well gee, how many second comings are there? Why you've got a third and maybe a fourth coming! Snark snark!"

If you had read what was offered to you, you would have seen AT THE VERY LEAST that your snarky objections were completely addressed and completely dismantled. You would AT LEAST have known there were answers to your objectiins. A REASONABLE person would AT LEAST have taken those responses under consideration. Whether you accept them or not you would at least have noted them and provided reasons why they were erroneous assuming you were unconvinced.

But instead you pretend nothing happened. That is classic behaviour of a person who is refuted and proven wrong, but cannot accept such a thing (because pride?) so they just IGNORE anything that actually demonstrates they are in error. Sad.

Then, while ignoring what was given to you, you habitually go off on red herrings and tangents that have NOTHING to do with anything being discussed. It's called "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." Why? Because you can't support your doctrines with anything but distractions and ad hominems. Which means your doctrines you are promoting are nonsense.

My conscience? Dude get a grip. You constantly tell everyone you are spiritual, you see things spiritually, you believe in the spirit, blah blah blah. You always bring that up when people don't buy what you're selling. Ergo you think everyone who disagrees with you is NOT SPIRITUAL. If that isn't carnal/fleshly then nothing is.

This is why I pretty much ceased engaging you in serious discourse. You aren't serious. You can't defend your doctrines, you scoff at people who expect to see Scriptural backing for what you're peddling, you toot your "I'm more spiritual than y'all are" horn, AD NAUSEUM.

Normally you'd just be on the pay no mind list. But because you seem to put yourself out here as a preacher and teacher, then you are SUBJECT TO REVIEW.

[Esaias]

The Bible clearly references multiple comings of the Lord, clear back in the Old Testament. Verse 30 (of Matthew ch 24) simply says they shall see the son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven. This makes me think of Daniel 7:13:

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
(Daniel 7:13)

Here, we see the Son of Man "coming", we see the clouds of heaven, and yet He isn't coming to the earth, he is coming to the Ancient of Days. considering the language similarities between Dan 7:13 and Matthew 24:30, I'd say it's a good chance they are referring to the same thing. In which case Matthew 24:30 is not a "coming BACK" but a coming before the Ancient of Days.

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(Daniel 7:14)

So it looks like He was to come before the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom. So perhaps Matthew 24:30 isn't talking about a coming "back", in apposition to His ascension, but rather it seems like it is talking about His coming into His kingdom.

[Esaias]

Therefore the term "coming of the Lord" is a reference to a TYPE of event and NOT to a specific occurrence of an event.

Some Biblical proof of the assertion:

The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
(Isaiah 13:1-19)

Here, God pronounces the downfall of Babylon at the hands of the Medes. The event is called "the day of the Lord", filled with His "wrath and indignation". The coming of the Medes with their armies is said to be the coming of the Lord Himself: "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land." Cosmic disturbances are spoken of: the sun, moon, and stars being darkened and put out. The heavens would be shaken, the earth moved out of its place (as in a global earthquake).

This is language used in Scripture concerning the destruction of the Babylonian empire at the hand of the Medes, not the "second coming" or the end of the world. Also, it should be noted that this day of the Lord was said to be "at hand". Isaiah gave this prophecy approximately 250 years before Babylon fell to the Medes, yet it was "at hand" when the prophecy was spoken.

The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.
(Isaiah 19:1-4)

Here is a prophecy against Egypt which was fulfilled when that country was torn apart by civil war, resulting in twelve kingdoms (known historically as the "Dodekarchy"). This took place in 695 BC. The Egyptians rose up against their Ethiopian overlords, overthrew them, and dissolved the kingdom into civil war between 12 smaller kingdoms that arose. Eventually, the war was resolved by the rise to power of Psammeticus in 670 BC, the ruler of Sais (one of the 12 kingdoms), who conquered the rest and forged them back into a single monarchy. His son, Pharoah Necho, soon established himself as the "cruel lord" with his plan to build a canal in the Suez region: "Necho (616-597), the son and successor of Psammetichus, renewed the project of Ramses-Miamun, to construct a Suez canal, and tore away 120,000 of the natives of the land from their homes, sending them to wear out their lives in forced labour of the most wearisome kind. A revolt on the part of the native troops, who had been sent against the rising Cyrene, and driven back into the desert, led to the overthrow of Hophra, the grandson of Necho (570), and put an end to the hateful government of the family of Psammetichus." - Keil and Delitzsch Commentary.

Yet, in this prophecy concerning Egypt which came to pass in the early 7th century BC, it is described as a coming of the Lord upon the clouds.



The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem? Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof.
(Micah 1:1-6)

Here, doom is prophesied against both Samaria and Jerusalem. Samaria was destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC (I believe, I might be off by a year or so), and Jerusalem later in the 600s by Babylon. Yet, the prophesied destruction of the two cities is described as the Lord "coming out of His place... coming down to earth... treading upon the mountains... which will be melted..."

In other words, the concept of the Lord "coming" is clearly used in the Old Testament as a descriptive term for God visiting , usually in judgment against nations and cities. The point being, there is clearly more than one "coming of the Lord".

[Esaias]

Now for some New Testament examples:

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
(Revelation 2:1-5)

Here, a threatened "coming of the Lord" is clearly a reference to a visitation of judgment against a church caught up in errors and backsliding. It is not that the second coming would take place, but that the Lord would "come" and remove the church from it's position as one of His churches. Again, the "coming of the Lord" is a term or concept referencing a visitation in judgment.

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
(Revelation 2:12-16)

Again, we see the same thing: a wayward church that refused to repent would suffer a "coming of the Lord" in judgment. Notice, that in these two New Testament examples, the predicted comings of the Lord are CONDITIONAL. They are conditioned upon the spiritual condition of the respective churches, whether they would repent or not.

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(Revelation 3:1-3)

Again, a conditional, threatened "coming of the Lord", this time with "thief in the night" language.

So far, we have seen no less than three "comings of the Lord" in the Old Testament, and another three just in the book of Revelation alone. In each of these cases, the coming of the Lord was a prophetic, descriptive term for a visitation of Divine judgment upon nations or churches or the unrepentant ones within certain churches.

But the coming of the Lord is not limited to instances of Divine judgment or punishment, as in this Old Testament prophecy:

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(Malachi 3:1-6)

Here, the arrival of Christ is prophesied as a coming of the Lord, indeed as a coming that involved judgment. But not in the execution of punishment! He was to come near in judgment and be a WITNESS against sin and sinners. We know that when Christ came, He came and bore witness of the truth against the ungodliness of the world, yet He did not come to execute vengeance upon them, but to save them from their sins. So here we see a coming of the Lord that, while it includes the idea of judgment, it is focused on MERCY. It is the arrival of the King. Once He arrives, and bears witness against sin, then (having been established as King and "the messenger of the covenant") He is able to execute judgment against His enemies.

[Esaias]

One more New Testament prophecy concerning the coming of the Lord:

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
(John 14:1-23)

Make sure you read the whole passage to get the fuller understanding. Jesus is saying He is going away, but will come again. He clarifies this by declaring He would not leave them "comfortless", but would "come" to them. He just got done talking about the Comforter (the Holy Ghost). So then He would "come unto them" via the Holy Ghost. In fact, he declares that those who keep His words will be loved by Him and the Father, and both of them would "come" and dwell with His followers.

Now, this is clearly speaking about the Lord "coming". It is a "coming of the Lord", but not the "second advent". It is also not the "comings" we have seen earlier, either. This coming is not a coming to execute judgment. It is a coming to bring "comfort" and prevent the disciples from being orphans or "fatherless" (the meaning of the term "comfortless" according to the Greek). This obviously was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost in Acts chapter 2, but it continues to occur whenever a believer loves Jesus and keeps His words, receives the Holy Ghost, and abides in Christ. the Lord is said to "come" to such a one, indeed the Father Himself is said to come to such a one. Meaning of course that such a person receives a "coming of the Lord" that brings the fullness of God Himself into their life, for "he who has the Son has the Father also".

So, the idea of the "coming of the Lord" has several meanings according to the Bible. It can be a temporal judgment executed against a nation or city, it can be a judgment executed against a church or the wayward members of a church, or it can be a visitation in mercy of the Spirit of Christ to those who follow Him and believe in Him. None of these comings of the Lord involve what is commonly known as the "second coming". And none of these comings we have looked at involve the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem, either!

Was the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 a "coming of the Lord"? Sure it was. Will the return of Jesus to resurrect the saints and destroy the man of sin be a "coming of the Lord"? Certainly. But, as we have seen, the term "coming of the Lord" is not a term that always and only refers to one event. Rather, it refers to a type of event. Several types of events, in fact.

[Esaias]

Then the last days have been going on for 2000 years. That’s doesn’t make any sense.



It doesn't make sense because you don't know your Bible. You do err, not knowing the Scriptures. Which only makes sense since you disregard the idea that doctrine must come from the Word and not some bubbly in your tummy you got from last night's collard greens.

Genesis 49:1-28 KJV
And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. [2] Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. [3] Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: [4] Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it : he went up to my couch. [5] Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel. [8] Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be . [11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: [12] His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. [13] Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon. [14] Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens: [15] And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute. [16] Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. [17] Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. [18] I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord . [19] Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last. [20] Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties. [21] Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words. [22] Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: [23] The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him , and hated him: [24] But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) [25] Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: [26] The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. [27] Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil. [28] All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.

[Ron]

Cash is the best. It is annonymous. Any corporation entity, or people in the Government or not doesn't need to know how much TP I buy, or what brand. It is none of their business. When one goes digital, you give up a certain amount of rights for convenience and it makes it all the more easier to be persuaded to take the mark if one is around when it is introduced to the World.
Disclaimer: I do have interac and credit cards and do electronic banking.
It is just easier and simpler to use filthy lucre.��

[KeptByTheWord]

Except our Lord Jesus said 4 verses after what you quoted...

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If it’s for our time, about 50 generations have passed already. Someone is wrong.

I'm not going into the ditch with you. I understand that you see things differently than I do. I've listened to many sides of the multi-faceted discussion about the return of the Lord Jesus.

But... it remains, that your opinion, and mine, and everyone else's are just that... opinions. NO ONE knows for sure. The apostles quite clearly thought the return of Jesus was imminent in their day, but here we are 2000+ years later.

So, whatever is going to happen, only GOD knows all the pieces of the puzzle. The 2 scriptures that I posted above are true.

No one knows, and yet, everyone will know... when the time comes to pass.

And I'm at peace with that :)

[KeptByTheWord]

Cash is the best. It is annonymous. Any corporation entity, or people in the Government or not doesn't need to know how much TP I buy, or what brand. It is none of their business. When one goes digital, you give up a certain amount of rights for convenience and it makes it all the more easier to be persuaded to take the mark if one is around when it is introduced to the World.
Disclaimer: I do have interac and credit cards and do electronic banking.
It is just easier and simpler to use filthy lucre.��

Someday very soon, cash will be worthless. Maybe it will take the virus to usher in the cashless society, or maybe something else. But it is on the horizon.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/businesses-banning-banknotes-asking-customers-to-use-credit-debit-cards

[Ron]

Someday very soon, cash will be worthless. Maybe it will take the virus to usher in the cashless society, or maybe something else. But it is on the horizon.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/businesses-banning-banknotes-asking-customers-to-use-credit-debit-cards

Yes, it will happen. How soon is anybody's guess, but 8t will happen.

[Nicodemus1968]

The Bible clearly references multiple comings of the Lord, clear back in the Old Testament. Verse 30 (of Matthew ch 24) simply says they shall see the son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven. This makes me think of Daniel 7:13:

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
(Daniel 7:13)

Here, we see the Son of Man "coming", we see the clouds of heaven, and yet He isn't coming to the earth, he is coming to the Ancient of Days. considering the language similarities between Dan 7:13 and Matthew 24:30, I'd say it's a good chance they are referring to the same thing. In which case Matthew 24:30 is not a "coming BACK" but a coming before the Ancient of Days.

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(Daniel 7:14)

So it looks like He was to come before the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom. So perhaps Matthew 24:30 isn't talking about a coming "back", in apposition to His ascension, but rather it seems like it is talking about His coming into His kingdom.

When we read the Bible we read from our perspective, not theirs! You have to ask yourself why are they asking Jesus this question? I believe they were asking because they were wanting him to restore all things to Israel and set up his earthly kingdom. Let’s go through it,

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

“Tell Us” means give us the insight Jesus like you have been for the last 3 years give or take. You told us parables and gave us the meaning behind them.

What shall be the sign of thy coming?

Strong’s definition for coming.
From the present participle of G3918; a being near that is advent (often return; specifically of Christ to punish Jerusalem or finally the wicked); (by implication) physical aspect: - coming presence.

Did Christ come on the day of Pentecost, well yes of course he told the disciples,

Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them , commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he , ye have heard of me.

They shouldn’t depart Jerusalem because he was coming to Jerusalem in the form of a blessing. He was coming as the comforter, he was coming to give them power, he was coming to make them witnesses

Acts 2:1-4
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Yet,

Acts 1:6 KJVS
[6] When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

He was not coming to restore all things to Israel, he came to start his kingdom, he came to start a new covenant with Jew and gentile alike, bond or free. It started at Jerusalem as they rejected it went to the world.

He also came to punish the Jews for...

Matthew 23:32-39 KJVS
[32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? [34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! [38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

He came in the form of a blessing and he came in the form of a curse. He set up his kingdom and he destroyed the old covenant with Israel.

[Nicodemus1968]

I'm not going into the ditch with you. I understand that you see things differently than I do. I've listened to many sides of the multi-faceted discussion about the return of the Lord Jesus.

But... it remains, that your opinion, and mine, and everyone else's are just that... opinions. NO ONE knows for sure. The apostles quite clearly thought the return of Jesus was imminent in their day, but here we are 2000+ years later.

So, whatever is going to happen, only GOD knows all the pieces of the puzzle. The 2 scriptures that I posted above are true.

No one knows, and yet, everyone will know... when the time comes to pass.

And I'm at peace with that :)

We’re not going into the ditch.

Take a look at what you wrote, read it,

The apostles quite clearly thought the return of Jesus was imminent in their day, but here we are 2000+ years later.

But here we are 2000 years later, your saying the disciples missed it. I’ll give you this, at least your honest. The disciples didn’t miss it, he came to judge the nation that played the role of a harlot, he came to set up a spiritual kingdom that will never be destroyed. This earth will remain and God will save souls long after where gone. Listen, the disciples didn’t miss it, we did.

[Nicodemus1968]

Genesis 49:1-33 KJVS
[1] And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. [2] Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. [3] Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: [4] Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it : he went up to my couch. [5] Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel. [8] Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be . [11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: [12] His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. [13] Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon. [14] Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens: [15] And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute. [16] Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. [17] Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. [18] I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord . [19] Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last. [20] Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties. [21] Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words. [22] Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: [23] The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him , and hated him: [24] But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) [25] Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: [26] The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. [27] Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil. [28] All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them. [29] And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, [30] In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace. [31] There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah. [32] The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth. [33] And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.

Who is Shiloh?

[Nicodemus1968]

Daniel 12:1-4 KJVS
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. [3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.[/U]

It was told to Daniel to seal up the book. Why?

Daniel 12:9
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

So it still wasn't the end.

Revelation 1:11
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, [U]write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

The bold part looks familiar. But the angel told him to send what he saw, why? I live by that Daniel saw the future of what was to come. John saw also the future but it was coming in his time. It wasn’t coming 2000 years later.

[Ron]

Daniel 12:1-4 KJVS
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. [3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.[/U]

It was told to Daniel to seal up the book. Why?

Daniel 12:9
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

So it still wasn't the end.

Revelation 1:11
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, [U]write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

The bold part looks familiar. But the angel told him to send what he saw, why? I live by that Daniel saw the future of what was to come. John saw also the future but it was coming in his time. It wasn’t coming 2000 years later.


It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

[Nicodemus1968]

It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

Where does the Bible talk about inserting chips as the mark of the beast.

[Esaias]

Genesis 49:1-33 KJVS
[1] And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. [2] Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. [3] Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: [4] Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it : he went up to my couch. [5] Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel. [8] Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be . [11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: [12] His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. [13] Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon. [14] Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens: [15] And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute. [16] Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. [17] Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. [18] I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord . [19] Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last. [20] Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties. [21] Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words. [22] Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: [23] The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him , and hated him: [24] But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) [25] Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: [26] The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. [27] Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil. [28] All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them. [29] And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, [30] In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace. [31] There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah. [32] The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth. [33] And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.

Who is Shiloh?

When were the last days spoken of in verse 1?

[Nicodemus1968]

When were the last days spoken of in verse 1?

When the prophecy was fulfilled.

Genesis 49:10-11
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be . [11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

We have to understand who is Jacob talking about. Who is Shiloh?

Isaiah 11:1-2
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: [2] And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ;

Isaiah 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Shiloh defined
Strong’s
From H7951; tranquil;
{Shiloh} an epithet of the Messiah: - Shiloh.

[Ron]

Where does the Bible talk about inserting chips as the mark of the beast.
It doesn't, why do you ask?🤔

[Nicodemus1968]

It doesn't, why do you ask?🤔

This is a quote from your previous post:

It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

Are you saying the mark of the beast is chips? Or is it a tattoo of 666 on our forehead or right hand?

[Evang.Benincasa]

It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

Amazing how they were told to figure out the number 2,000 years ago. Yet according to the above it would of been impossible. RFID chip is like a signent stamp? Revelation 22:18-19 is God’s idea of light humor. Whatever. So what’s happening now is Bible prophecy being fulfilled? What a boon this is for the new world order. Who ever controls your religion controls you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

This is a quote from your previous post:

It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

Are you saying the mark of the beast is chips? Or is it a tattoo of 666 on our forehead or right hand?

Yes the Mark of the Beast is whatever you want it to be.

Whatever comes down the road and looks like you can perform commerce without it. That’s the Mark of the Beast. Edward Bernay’s would be proud.

[Esaias]

When the prophecy was fulfilled.

Genesis 49:10-11
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be . [11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

We have to understand who is Jacob talking about. Who is Shiloh?

Isaiah 11:1-2
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: [2] And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ;

Isaiah 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Shiloh defined
Strong’s
From H7951; tranquil;
{Shiloh} an epithet of the Messiah: - Shiloh.

Sigh.

Genesis 49:5-7 KJV
Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

When was this fulfilled?

Genesis 49:8-10 KJV
Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be .

When did Judah's brethren bow before him? When did Judah have the scepter? How long did Judah have the scepter?

Genesis 49:13 KJV
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

When did Zebulun dwell at the haven of the sea? When did his border stretch to Zidon?

Remember, these things were to happen in "the last days."

[Ron]

This is a quote from your previous post:

It is like a lot of Prophecy, it is for everyone but sealed until the end time to be revealed.
I knew there was going to be a mark coming since I came to the Lord in the early eighties.
I didn't know until the last decade or so about inserting RFID chips into people.

Are you saying the mark of the beast is chips? Or is it a tattoo of 666 on our forehead or right hand?

It could be, the Bible says that Daniel saw in the end times chariots running like lightnings.
Sounds like our Interstates at night. How would a person Living in 500 BC describe something like that?
We just don't know, the thing is this, RFID affords a lot of things that people can use to facilitate tracking you, (the devil is not omnipresent, not omniscient) and have a cashless society. The thing is this, we are only getting closer to God wrapping things up, not further away.

[Ron]

Amazing how they were told to figure out the number 2,000 years ago. Yet according to the above it would of been impossible. RFID chip is like a signent stamp? Revelation 22:18-19 is God’s idea of light humor. Whatever. So what’s happening now is Bible prophecy being fulfilled? What a boon this is for the new world order. Who ever controls your religion controls you.

We have a saying in Canada, it may be the same for the US. What is one of the scariest words to hear? "Hi, I am from the Government, I am here to help you."

[Birddog]

Does Birddog believe fulfilled eschatology also?

Preterism? Is that what you are asking?

Preterism is false doctrine. There, you know what I believe.

:smack

[consapente89]

Preterism? Is that what you are asking?

Preterism is false doctrine. There, you know what I believe.

:smack

I agree.

So you do believe in a future physical return of Jesus Christ?

[Nicodemus1968]

I agree.

So you do believe in a future physical return of Jesus Christ?

He (bird dog) believes the kingdom will be restored back to Israel. And once it’s restored back we will go back to the mosaic law.

[Nicodemus1968]

Sigh.

Genesis 49:5-7 KJV
Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

When was this fulfilled?

Genesis 49:8-10 KJV
Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be .

When did Judah's brethren bow before him? When did Judah have the scepter? How long did Judah have the scepter?

Genesis 49:13 KJV
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

When did Zebulun dwell at the haven of the sea? When did his border stretch to Zidon?

Remember, these things were to happen in "the last days."

SMH, I don’t mean to make you sigh. I wanted to have a conversation with you about this, you dont. Happy Sabbath :thumbsup

[diakonos]

He (bird dog) believes the kingdom will be restored back to Israel. And once it’s restored back we will go back to the mosaic law.

What?

[Nicodemus1968]

What?

Bird dog has gone loco.

[Esaias]

SMH, I don’t mean to make you sigh. I wanted to have a conversation with you about this, you dont. Happy Sabbath :thumbsup

The sigh was because YET ONCE AGAIN YOU AVOID THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION.

Gen 49 gives a list of things that would happen "in the last days". You IGNORED ALL THOSE THINGS THAT CLEARLY HAPPENED CENTURIES IF NOT 1000+ YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS EVEN BORN IN ORDER TO FOCUS ON SHILOH AS IF THAT WOULD SOMEHOW PROVE YOUR POINT THAT THE LAST DAYS ALL HAPPENED IN THE 1ST CENTURY AD.

You don't want to have a discussion. You want to repeat yourself and ignore anything anyone else says that proves your doctrines and statements are in error.

I'll make it easy for you.

Gen 49 PROVES BEYOND ALL POSSIBITY OF REFUTATION that "the last days" is NOT limited to the 1st century AD, or to ANY single short epoch of time in either history or the future.

Now watch, it won't be long before you pull this "Yuk yuk so just how long are the last days? 2000 years? Yuk yuk that's retarded, the last days were in the first century. Yuk yuk!" nonsense with another poster as if THIS PRESENT CONVERSATION NEVER TOOK PLACE, as if you never had your unbiblical doctrine and ideas blown out of the water.

[Esaias]

Sigh.

Genesis 49:5-7 KJV
Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. [6] O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. [7] Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

When was this fulfilled?

Genesis 49:8-10 KJV
Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. [9] Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? [10] The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be .

When did Judah's brethren bow before him? When did Judah have the scepter? How long did Judah have the scepter?

Genesis 49:13 KJV
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

When did Zebulun dwell at the haven of the sea? When did his border stretch to Zidon?

Remember, these things were to happen in "the last days."

1. Levi was scattered in Israel under Joshua when they received no land inheritance but were spread out across the whole country. According to history Simon was absorbed by Judah in the centuries after the Conquest.

2. Judah's brethren bowed to him as he received the scepter when David was anointed as king. Judah maintained the scepter until Messiah was enthroned upon His Ascension sometime around 29-33 AD (depending on the date of His resurrection), at which point all 12 tribes began to be regathered under Messiah. The dominion over Israel by the Judeans was removed when Israel entered the new covenant with 11 Galilean apostles and then an apostle of the tribe of Benjamin.

3. Zebulun became a maritime power stretching to Zidon during and after the Conquest under Joshua.

All these took place from around 1500 BC to around 30 AD. These things took place "in the last days." Therefore, the last days include 1500 BC - 30 AD. And therefore the last days are NOT limited to either the first century AD, or to some imminent decade in the near or far future. Rather, "the last days" are a Biblical term describing any period of time in which a prophecy is fulfilled a relatively long time after the prophecy was given. Also, "the last days" can last for AT LEAST 1530 years (MINIMUM).

[Esaias]

Therefore the term "coming of the Lord" is a reference to a TYPE of event and NOT to a specific occurrence of an event.



And therefore anyone clutching pearls about "Why, just how many comings of the Lord are there?" is clearly ignorant of what the Bible teaches about the Coming of the Lord. The idea that "the second coming" was this that or anything, as if that is the one and only coming of the Lord apart from His earthly ministry, is clearly erroneous and false.

The Bible doesn't talk about "the second coming". That is, the Bible doesn't speak about "the SECOND coming". The closest verse to such language is here:

Hebrews 9:28 KJV
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

This "second time" is within the context of the rite of the Day of Atonement and the sctions of the High Priest on that day, as they were and are fulfilled by Christ. The "second" here is NOT second to the incarnation.

So this means that if person A believes Christ shall appear in the future, and Person B says "Oh so that would be what? A third coming? Fourth? Which is it?" as if B's comments prove A is wrong , then (it shows that) person B is ignorant of the Bible doctrine of the Coming of the Lord. Nobody who understands the Bible phrase "coming of the Lord" as Biblically referring to wide range of various events connected by the common theme of a visitation from God would ever make such goofy statements as Person B. The ONLY exception is if Person A is harping on the secondness which is not what was occurring in this thread.

[Esaias]

And let me also add that I'm not trying to browbeat you, brother Nicodemus. I'm trying to get you to respond to what's actually being presented to you. Because it's Bible Truth and you need to hear and believe it.

:thumbsup

[Birddog]

He (bird dog) believes the kingdom will be restored back to Israel. And once it’s restored back we will go back to the mosaic law.

And what is wrong with that?

Future sacrifices, did you know that they have found the red heifer?

This thing is wrapping up! Start looking at the eastern sky.

[Birddog]

I agree.

So you do believe in a future physical return of Jesus Christ?

Don't you? Are you one of those preterists?

[Esaias]

And what is wrong with that?

Future sacrifices, did you know that they have found the red heifer?

This thing is wrapping up! Start looking at the eastern sky.

:heeheehee

[consapente89]

Don't you? Are you one of those preterists?

I do. I am not.

[Freeindeed]

Great video which sheds a light on what Congress is really up to with this stimulus package. Folks, the fix is on.

https://youtu.be/OC8g9zE-f0U

[Esaias]

Great video which sheds a light on what Congress is really up to with this stimulus package. Folks, the fix is on.

https://youtu.be/OC8g9zE-f0U

"The Dow Crashed nearly 1,000 points after the largest stimulus bill in human history passed in the US. The relief bill provided a veil of secrecy to the Fed and funneled taxpayer money to the Fed to dole out as they see fit. The question should be asked why didn't anyone stand up against this bill. Well, there was one man who attempted to make sure everyone went on record voting for this bill but he was denied. There were also calls by Trump to remove Thomas Massie and lies spread that He was attempting to stand in the way of you and your checks. This is simply not true and the reason something must be said is that Thomas Massie is one of the only friends you have in DC. He is also the one who has been submitting and resubmitting the Audit the fed bill for years now. We also examine the historic stock market crashes throughout history as this bounce was described as the new bull market and the fastest return to a bull market in history. History suggests that is far from assured and the fact the stock market crash continued after the largest stimulus bill in history suggests we haven't even seen the beginning of what will become the greatest depression."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC8g9zE-f0U