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Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 06:24 AM
He is claiming covid19 is warning Judgement for fornication in the USA. This the same man that predicted like a billion people would die from the earth during a timeline he have. Someone with authority in the UPC needs to pull him aside and stop this madness.


https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/irvin-baxter-says-coronavirus-is-a-warning-from-god-about-the-sin-of-fornication/

shag
03-28-2020, 07:11 AM
Infecting the world, and it’s a fornicating warning to the USA?

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 07:46 AM
He is claiming covid19 is warning Judgement for fornication in the USA. This the same man that predicted like a billion people would die from the earth during a timeline he have. Someone with authority in the UPC needs to pull him aside and stop this madness.


https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/irvin-baxter-says-coronavirus-is-a-warning-from-god-about-the-sin-of-fornication/

He nails it on this. America is a nation of whore mongers and whores generally speaking. God actually DOES oppose sin and has been known to lash out against it.

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 07:59 AM
Infecting the world, and it’s a fornicating warning to the USA?

Yep, even Holy Ghost filled ministers and saints.

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 08:01 AM
He nails it on this. America is a nation of whore mongers and whores generally speaking. God actually DOES oppose sin and has been known to lash out against it.

You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

Amanah
03-28-2020, 08:11 AM
Irwin Baxter is tight with Jim Bakker, guilty by association?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-bakker-coronavirus-covid-19-fake-cure-televangelist-sued-by-missouri-symptoms-selling-treatment/

https://jimbakkershow.com/video/keys-understanding-end-times/

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 08:16 AM
Irwin Baxter is tight with Jim Bakker, guilty by association?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-bakker-coronavirus-covid-19-fake-cure-televangelist-sued-by-missouri-symptoms-selling-treatment/

Kinda, IMO.

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 08:21 AM
You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

Each nation has to assess its ways. America is symbolically the "great whore" imo. God judges all nations. I'm sure if asked Baxter would say the same.

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 08:29 AM
Irwin Baxter is tight with Jim Bakker, guilty by association?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jim-bakker-coronavirus-covid-19-fake-cure-televangelist-sued-by-missouri-symptoms-selling-treatment/

https://jimbakkershow.com/video/keys-understanding-end-times/



Many products are sold everyday that are not "approved" by the government. We know they lie all the time. In a free nation one should be able to do what he feels is right for his life.

Apparently many people are being treated by medical professionals and dying.

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 10:04 AM
Each nation has to assess its ways. America is symbolically the "great whore" imo. God judges all nations. I'm sure if asked Baxter would say the same.

Scripture already shows who the great whore was.

diakonos
03-28-2020, 12:58 PM
You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

This forum :lol

KeptByTheWord
03-28-2020, 01:02 PM
You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

The irony of this statement makes me :heeheehee

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 03:23 PM
The irony of this statement makes me :heeheehee

I have been a little under the weather and mentality slow today, what is the irony?

Truthseeker
03-28-2020, 03:24 PM
This forum :lol

Explain yourself young man :smack

diakonos
03-28-2020, 04:34 PM
It would make more sense if the virus was transmitted through fornication.

Esaias
03-28-2020, 05:31 PM
Why would God send an American engineered Chinese developed bioweapon that works in China and Iran and causes other governments to completely lie and misrepresent facts to give the illusion of a global pandemic so the US government can blow 6 trillion dollars on their business cronies and stick the common people and their descendants with the bill (with usury) and advance their Orwellian agenda as a "judgment for fornication"?

One thing the internet shows us is just how many of our fellow human beings are completely out of touch with any semblance of reality.

Divine judgments upon America against sin have been ongoing for a century, increasing every decade. Just read Deut 28 and then look at what's been going on in the nation over the last 100 some odd years. How does the current event fit into all this? Why, it's right here:

Deuteronomy 28:28-29 KJV
The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: [29] And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee .

Those two verses describe the typical Boobus Americanus and apparently a huge chunk of Boobus Americanus, variant Churchianicus.

Birddog
03-28-2020, 05:40 PM
Each nation has to assess its ways. America is symbolically the "great whore" imo. God judges all nations. I'm sure if asked Baxter would say the same.

Not even, Irvin says that the USA is the eagle that will rescue the world, ya know, on eagles wings!!!!


Read his Bible study.

Esaias
03-28-2020, 05:55 PM
Each nation has to assess its ways. America is symbolically the "great whore" imo. God judges all nations. I'm sure if asked Baxter would say the same.

1. Baxter believes America is the eagle wings that will protect the Jews during tribulation. You sure are sure of a lot of stuff that ain't so....

2. When are you going to obey God and leave America? (Rev 18:4)

LOVE JESUS
03-28-2020, 06:52 PM
Is Baxter Apostolic? I heard he was but you know how rumors go.

Esaias
03-28-2020, 06:52 PM
Is Baxter Apostolic? I heard he was but you know how rumors go.

He's looking our way!

james34
03-28-2020, 07:25 PM
1. Baxter believes America is the eagle wings that will protect the Jews during tribulation. You sure are sure of a lot of stuff that ain't so....

2. When are you going to obey God and leave America? (Rev 18:4)


Geographically?

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 08:09 PM
Is Baxter Apostolic? I heard he was but you know how rumors go.

He was an Apostolic Pastor when I visited his Church in Richmond Indiana in 1986. He teaches the Oneness of God and Acts 2:38. He probably reaches more people every day than any other Apostolic Preacher.

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 08:12 PM
1. Baxter believes America is the eagle wings that will protect the Jews during tribulation. You sure are sure of a lot of stuff that ain't so....

2. When are you going to obey God and leave America? (Rev 18:4)

If I am right Baxter is wrong. If he is right I am wrong. You can come out from among them and still be where you are. Geographically.

Evang.Benincasa
03-28-2020, 08:51 PM
He's looking our way!

I think he looked past us.

Evang.Benincasa
03-28-2020, 08:54 PM
You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

What about Thailand? That place must be a charred briquet.

Evang.Benincasa
03-28-2020, 08:56 PM
If I am right Baxter is wrong. If he is right I am wrong. You can come out from among them and still be where you are. Geographically.

Well you are a Trinitarian.

You and your flying saucer driving Satan.

Birddog
03-28-2020, 09:40 PM
Satan drives a flying saucer?

Cool!!!

Michael The Disciple
03-28-2020, 09:54 PM
Well you are a Trinitarian.

You and your flying saucer driving Satan.

Bless you Dom.

Esaias
03-28-2020, 10:36 PM
If I am right Baxter is wrong. If he is right I am wrong. You can come out from among them and still be where you are. Geographically.

He did not say "come out from among them" in the verse in question. Here, let's refresh your memory:

Revelation 18:4 KJV
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Come out of HER. If as you teach America is the Great Whore, Myatery Babylon, then you are commanded to come out of AMERICA.

So, when you leaving? I hear airfare is pretty cheap nowadays.

Truthseeker
03-29-2020, 06:35 AM
He did not say "come out from among them" in the verse in question. Here, let's refresh your memory:

Revelation 18:4 KJV
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Come out of HER. If as you teach America is the Great Whore, Myatery Babylon, then you are commanded to come out of AMERICA.

So, when you leaving? I hear airfare is pretty cheap nowadays.


Great point

Birddog
03-29-2020, 07:42 AM
He did not say "come out from among them" in the verse in question. Here, let's refresh your memory:

Revelation 18:4 KJV
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Come out of HER. If as you teach America is the Great Whore, Myatery Babylon, then you are commanded to come out of AMERICA.

So, when you leaving? I hear airfare is pretty cheap nowadays.

Ooooooooooh

Good point!

I was thinking of ………..

:hmmm

Evang.Benincasa
03-29-2020, 07:42 AM
Scripture already shows who the great whore was.

Mike doesn’t care.

Michael The Disciple
03-29-2020, 11:09 AM
You think God sent the virus to the whole world to judge fornicators in the USA?

You must not have watched the entirety of what Bro. Baxter said. That was less than 2 minutes out of 28 of what he said on the topic. In NO WAY did Baxter limit sin or judgment to the USA. He points to the world and the nations as well. I thought on this topic he is speaking needed truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYyNTXphWM

Truthseeker
03-29-2020, 07:03 PM
You must not have watched the entirety of what Bro. Baxter said. That was less than 2 minutes out of 28 of what he said on the topic. In NO WAY did Baxter limit sin or judgment to the USA. He points to the world and the nations as well. I thought on this topic he is speaking needed truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYyNTXphWM


I could have misunderstood his point when he discussed fornication in the USA, but he either way is way off base.

Evang.Benincasa
03-30-2020, 05:19 AM
Brother Baxter Jr is a change agent provocateur.

Michael The Disciple
03-30-2020, 07:46 AM
Brother Baxter Jr is a change agent provocateur.

In what way?

Bowas
03-30-2020, 07:56 AM
He nails it on this. America is a nation of whore mongers and whores generally speaking. God actually DOES oppose sin and has been known to lash out against it.

Good thing the righteous will not be affected, as they don't participate in whores or whormongering...right?

Bowas
03-30-2020, 08:01 AM
Not even, Irvin says that the USA is the eagle that will rescue the world, ya know, on eagles wings!!!!


Read his Bible study.

Of course the USA is the eagles wing, as even our history books don't really go into how we saved Israel from the Egyptians, and here is scripture to prove it.

Exo 19:3.. And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;..
Exo 19:4.. Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself...

Michael The Disciple
03-30-2020, 09:44 AM
Good thing the righteous will not be affected, as they don't participate in whores or whormongering...right?

Read Psalms 91for a start. You seem to think the OT is relevant.:highfive

Then try Ezekiel 9.

The righteous can be AFFECTED in ways but preserved in the midst.

shag
03-30-2020, 09:46 AM
I would not want to be the one to look into the eyes of a dying OP brother and tell him and his family theyre on the receiving end of a judgment of God.

Michael The Disciple
03-30-2020, 09:54 AM
I would not want to be the one to look into the eyes of a dying OP brother and tell him and his family theyre on the receiving end of a judgment of God.

Would God judge a nation for its sins such as for example abortion, sodomy, porn, and such like? Have you ever said judgment could come to a nation (including America) because of these things?

Has your Pastor ever mentioned judgment could come to America because of sin? Practically every Preacher I have ever heard who preaches holiness has said the same thing.

But if it happens or at least SEEMS to be happening then they draw back and say its not God its just chance.

Bowas
03-30-2020, 03:19 PM
Read Psalms 91for a start. You seem to think the OT is relevant.:highfive

Then try Ezekiel 9.

The righteous can be AFFECTED in ways but preserved in the midst.

That's what I find interesting about modern day prophets. They always have weasel clauses embedded in their prophecies.

Not many make declarative proclamations anymore.

diakonos
03-30-2020, 04:42 PM
Who is Irwin Baxter?

Tithesmeister
03-30-2020, 06:24 PM
Who is Irwin Baxter?
Yeah . . .

It’s
IrVin Baxter and he was, and possibly is still? UPCI.

shag
03-30-2020, 06:55 PM
Would God judge a nation for its sins such as for example abortion, sodomy, porn, and such like? Have you ever said judgment could come to a nation (including America) because of these things?


Not that I recall, but I could have.


Has your Pastor ever mentioned judgment could come to America because of sin? Practically every Preacher I have ever heard who preaches holiness has said the same thing.

Not that I recall.


But if it happens or at least SEEMS to be happening then they draw back and say its not God its just chance.

When this virus is as much of a threat to Gods people as it is to the devils people, I don’t see it as a judgment against everyone, the hellbound and the heaven bound, as you see it.

I do not see God judging His people with death, when they’re the ones striving to do His will.

Noah- Gods righteous people saved, satans killed.
Soddom and Gomorrah- Gods righteous people saved, satans killled.
Egypt-Gods righteous people saved, satans killed.

Corona virus- Satans people and Gods people killed. The deadly virus is no respector of persons with respect to heaven bound or hell bound.
It’s about your health and immune system, not about your right standing w God or not.

Corona Virus judgement of God?

U and Baxter can tell the widows and children of the God fearing deceased, that their loved one died because of Gods judgement for porn, adultry, etc etc...that their loved one stood against. And that many of Gods people will die from this judgement no matter their standing w God, if they get the virus and their immune system can’t beat it. Because they live next door or down the street from the people that are sinning, porn, homosexuality, abortion, etc...

Baxter will likely eat his words before it’s done. And the UPC leaders may very well will this time get their fill of his nonstop “could this be” every time he sees something big scale in the latest headlines...when their people are dying from what he says is Gods judgment.


My opinion.

Evang.Benincasa
03-30-2020, 10:03 PM
That's what I find interesting about modern day prophets. They always have weasel clauses embedded in their prophecies.

Not many make declarative proclamations anymore.


:happydance :yourock :happydance

shag
03-31-2020, 05:59 AM
Sincere question MTD-
Based on this virus being a judgment of God in your opinion: do you believe we should or should not pray for protection from the virus, and/or physical healing for the righteous that are receiving the judgment of God through this virus? And wouldnt praying for their physical healing go against praying God’s will be done in this judgment that is being received by both the unrighteous and the righteous?
It is Gods will for the righteous to receive this judgement as well, right? (Because the virus is obviously no respecter of ones “standing with God...)

Example: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=53838

KeptByTheWord
03-31-2020, 03:25 PM
When this virus is as much of a threat to Gods people as it is to the devils people, I don’t see it as a judgment against everyone, the hellbound and the heaven bound, as you see it.

I do not see God judging His people with death, when they’re the ones striving to do His will.

Noah- Gods righteous people saved, satans killed.
Soddom and Gomorrah- Gods righteous people saved, satans killled.
Egypt-Gods righteous people saved, satans killed.

Corona virus- Satans people and Gods people killed. The deadly virus is no respector of persons with respect to heaven bound or hell bound.
It’s about your health and immune system, not about your right standing w God or not.

Corona Virus judgement of God?

U and Baxter can tell the widows and children of the God fearing deceased, that their loved one died because of Gods judgement for porn, adultry, etc etc...that their loved one stood against. And that many of Gods people will die from this judgement no matter their standing w God, if they get the virus and their immune system can’t beat it. Because they live next door or down the street from the people that are sinning, porn, homosexuality, abortion, etc...

Baxter will likely eat his words before it’s done. And the UPC leaders may very well will this time get their fill of his nonstop “could this be” every time he sees something big scale in the latest headlines...when their people are dying from what he says is Gods judgment.


My opinion.

I agree with you Shag.

This is not a time of judgment.

However, these are "signs of the times". This is the rain on the just and the unjust... and no one is invincible. These things are signals and alerts to we, the church who are looking and watching.

When the time of judgment comes, we won't be on this forum arguing about it. We will ALL know. The WHOLE WORLD will know when its time for judgment. And then it will be too late, just as the door shut on the ark, and Noah and his family were inside.

When true judgment comes to the earth, God's people will not perish in the judgment. But until the judgment, we will see signs of the times.

II Peter 3:2Most importantly, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood. And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Michael The Disciple
03-31-2020, 04:20 PM
As we speak America is being occupied by a foreign power. Its happening before our eyes. Do you you think this will all just go away? While Im hoping and praying it will I remember Israel being taken captive by Assyria. Judah being taken captive by Babylon.

Now Americans are being held captive in their own country.

But its all just a coincidence.

Bowas
03-31-2020, 05:02 PM
I agree with you Shag.

This is not a time of judgment.

However, these are "signs of the times". This is the rain on the just and the unjust... and no one is invincible. These things are signals and alerts to we, the church who are looking and watching.

When the time of judgment comes, we won't be on this forum arguing about it. We will ALL know. The WHOLE WORLD will know when its time for judgment. And then it will be too late, just as the door shut on the ark, and Noah and his family were inside.

When true judgment comes to the earth, God's people will not perish in the judgment. But until the judgment, we will see signs of the times.

II Peter 3:2Most importantly, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood. And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

The "rain on the just and the unjust," is not about a curse. It's a blessing. In Israel, it is mostly desert, so rain was seen as blessing, not a curse. God people and evil people will still get blessed (not cursed).

KeptByTheWord
03-31-2020, 11:43 PM
The "rain on the just and the unjust," is not about a curse. It's a blessing. In Israel, it is mostly desert, so rain was seen as blessing, not a curse. God people and evil people will still get blessed (not cursed).

Thank you for sharing that. I've never had that brought to my attention. But the premise of the matter remains the same. Rain, whether it be considered a blessing or a curse, still falls on all.

KeptByTheWord
03-31-2020, 11:48 PM
As we speak America is being occupied by a foreign power. Its happening before our eyes. Do you you think this will all just go away? While Im hoping and praying it will I remember Israel being taken captive by Assyria. Judah being taken captive by Babylon.

Now Americans are being held captive in their own country.

But its all just a coincidence.

This is not just about America. This is world-wide. The signs are world-wide. America is not the only nation God is concerned about. He loves all mankind.

Yes, America is in distress. Yes, the possibility exists that the globalists seek to destroy the world economy in order to set up their own agenda. Yes, in America there are the ungodly. But so have there been good and bad in every country around the world.

America does not have the monopoly on God and just because things are rough here right now, does not mean diddly squat in God's economy. Evil has reigned in the world since Cain killed his own brother. God's timetable exists beyond America. And we need to realize that.

But still, we must see the signs for what they are, and not be ignorant. We are told though... when we see these things come to pass that we are to look up, for our redemption draweth nigh!

Evang.Benincasa
04-01-2020, 06:40 AM
So when they saw the Black Plague of Europe they thought that was Matthew 24.

Bowas
04-01-2020, 07:16 AM
This is not just about America. This is world-wide. The signs are world-wide. America is not the only nation God is concerned about. He loves all mankind.

Yes, America is in distress. Yes, the possibility exists that the globalists seek to destroy the world economy in order to set up their own agenda. Yes, in America there are the ungodly. But so have there been good and bad in every country around the world.

America does not have the monopoly on God and just because things are rough here right now, does not mean diddly squat in God's economy. Evil has reigned in the world since Cain killed his own brother. God's timetable exists beyond America. And we need to realize that.

But still, we must see the signs for what they are, and not be ignorant. We are told though... when we see these things come to pass that we are to look up, for our redemption draweth nigh!

So many are western/USA-centric motivated in their Bible interpretation, as if the USA is what Bible endtime scenarios are measured by. Persecution in Chad and elsewhere is of minimal significance, but let the government try to stop the spread of a virus, and WHOA! FINALLY! The persecution so many have been longing(?) for is here. (I am not speaking against your post, but just some of what I have seen some post, here and yon)

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 08:12 AM
America does not have the monopoly on God and just because things are rough here right now, does not mean diddly squat in God's economy. Evil has reigned in the world since Cain killed his own brother. God's timetable exists beyond America. And we need to realize that.

Well yes. I am not trying to limit what God is doing to JUST AMERICA. Since I live here I emphasize it.

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 08:14 AM
Thank you for sharing that. I've never had that brought to my attention. But the premise of the matter remains the same. Rain, whether it be considered a blessing or a curse, still falls on all.

What curse?

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 08:14 AM
So when they saw the Black Plague of Europe they thought that was Matthew 24.

The end of world again and again...

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 09:25 AM
The end of world again and again...

I wonder why Christians tend to be end of the world minded? Could it have something to do with this?

1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 10:58 AM
I wonder why Christians tend to be end of the world minded? Could it have something to do with this?

1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Peter wasn't talking to us.

Tithesmeister
04-01-2020, 11:50 AM
I wonder why Christians tend to be end of the world minded? Could it have something to do with this?

1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.


If you drop down a few verses, you will get a bit more context as to what Peter is talking about . . .

1 Peter

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

This may apply to Brother Spell’s situation.

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 03:21 PM
Peter wasn't talking to us.

So Peters writings were not for us. Stun, stagger.

Can you explain why?

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 04:55 PM
So Peters writings were not for us. Stun, stagger.

Can you explain why?

1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.




He was telling them the end of all things is near. That's why they were to watch and pray. They were living in the late days of the end of the world (age). Doesn't apply to us today.

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 06:29 PM
1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.




He was telling them the end of all things is near. That's why they were to watch and pray. They were living in the late days of the end of the world (age). Doesn't apply to us today.

Then none of what he wrote would apply to us. Isnt that a strange way of approaching the Bible?

shag
04-01-2020, 06:37 PM
MTD, do you believe all of what is written in the Bible is to you?




I’m thinking we’ve already hashed this out several hundred times though :)

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 06:47 PM
Then none of what he wrote would apply to us. Isnt that a strange way of approaching the Bible?

I didnt say none applies us. He told them the end was nigh, he wasnt lying.

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 07:35 PM
I didnt say none applies us. He told them the end was nigh, he wasnt lying.

The end time applies to people who lived 20 centuries ago but not to us today. But the rest of Peters writings, how do we know what applies to us and why?

Michael The Disciple
04-01-2020, 07:36 PM
MTD, do you believe all of what is written in the Bible is to you?




I’m thinking we’ve already hashed this out several hundred times though :)

All thats in the New Covenant is for the one who has been born of water and the Spirit.

Truthseeker
04-01-2020, 07:39 PM
The end time applies to people who lived 20 centuries ago but not to us today. But the rest of Peters writings, how do we know what applies to us and why?

By rightly dividing it. Knowing context and audience relevance.

shag
04-03-2020, 05:22 AM
“Iraq fits like hand in glove,” Irvin Baxter, founder of Endtime magazine and pastor of Oak Park Church in Richmond, Ind., said of the world-ending role he expects the country to play if U.S.-led forces invade Iraq.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-mar-15-me-religend15-story.html%3f_amp=true



17 years ago.

Michael The Disciple
04-03-2020, 05:47 AM
“Iraq fits like hand in glove,” Irvin Baxter, founder of Endtime magazine and pastor of Oak Park Church in Richmond, Ind., said of the world-ending role he expects the country to play if U.S.-led forces invade Iraq.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-mar-15-me-religend15-story.html%3f_amp=true



17 years ago.

Would have read it but it said "subscribe" or "allow ads".

Truthseeker
04-03-2020, 06:10 AM
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/does-war-iraq-fulfill-prophecy

Michael The Disciple
04-03-2020, 09:40 AM
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/does-war-iraq-fulfill-prophecy

‘The result,’ Baxter concludes, ‘could be a nuclear holocaust that takes the lives of two billion people, the one-third of mankind stated in Revelation.’”

I see nothing wrong with what Baxter said. Consider the importance of the word "COULD".


It certainly COULD have turned out the way he said.

Note what Dave Hunt and his associate thought.

Tom: Dave, there are some fascinating things in here, and I want to begin by saying where he quotes: “God’s final judgment is coming soon, probably in our lifetime, so get ready”—we would sort of nod our heads to that; we believe we are in the last days, so that’s where we stand.

Bowas
04-03-2020, 10:55 AM
That's what I find interesting about modern day prophets. They always have weasel clauses embedded in their prophecies.

Not many make declarative proclamations anymore.

I see nothing wrong with what Baxter said. Consider the importance of the word "COULD".


It certainly COULD have turned out the way he said.

Note what Dave Hunt and his associate thought.

Exactly my point!

If the salvational message was given with the same degree or uncertainty, who would, or who should believe it?

Prophecy...salvation...all from the same book. Why not the same degree of certainty?

diakonos
04-03-2020, 11:21 AM
The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

mfblume
04-07-2020, 04:10 PM
Everything God does is about America. Okaaaay.

mfblume
04-07-2020, 04:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZgt5vjUJ0&t=647s
Similar vein of thought dealt with in this video.

We need to learn about history a little better. From January's Iran issues with Trump.

diakonos
04-07-2020, 05:41 PM
Everything God does is about America. Okaaaay.

Jealous up there in America Jr!? :lol

mfblume
04-07-2020, 09:07 PM
Jealous up there in America Jr!? :lol

Yeah, we want to grow up and have the Bible talk about us like it does the big boy!