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diakonos
04-05-2020, 11:24 AM
We did. Been missing home so we streamed from there.

TakingDominion
04-05-2020, 12:08 PM
We did. Been missing home so we streamed from there.


Drive in parking lot service today

hometown guy
04-05-2020, 12:18 PM
Have audio stream today at 2 on the west coast. Listen to bro Spell’s service today. He did excellent!

Michael The Disciple
04-05-2020, 12:19 PM
Watching now.

diakonos
04-05-2020, 12:40 PM
Drive in parking lot service today

Like this???


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6515&stc=1&d=1586111939

Freeindeed
04-05-2020, 04:23 PM
I watched 2 live streamed services today. I watched New Life Tabernacle (Brother Elms, Cisco TX) at 10 and Victory Worship Center (Brother Simoneaux, Houston TX) at 11.

They were a blessing to watch. New Life was more old school while Victory was more contemporary.

As much as I enjoyed the services, they weren't as good as being there in person. I wish I knew someone in my area that had a home church during this time. I miss the fellowship.

n david
04-05-2020, 09:18 PM
Live streamed and had drive in church service.

TakingDominion
04-05-2020, 10:48 PM
Like this???


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6515&stc=1&d=1586111939

You know it!

diakonos
04-06-2020, 04:38 AM
You know it!

:lol

diakonos
04-15-2020, 04:51 PM
Ok, so If I livestream from back home on Sunday then the weeks tithe and offering gets sent to Texas, correct?

Then when I stream locally next week the tithe and offering is given here, correct?

diakonos
04-16-2020, 11:00 AM
Ok, so If I livestream from back home on Sunday then the weeks tithe and offering gets sent to Texas, correct?

Then when I stream locally next week the tithe and offering is given here, correct?

No one?

hometown guy
04-16-2020, 11:07 AM
No one?

I’m not totally sure of your situation. I think your tithes and offering should go to the church you call home... above and beyond offering that you feel to give to the other church...

diakonos
08-03-2020, 03:49 PM
I’m not totally sure of your situation. I think your tithes and offering should go to the church you call home... above and beyond offering that you feel to give to the other church...

Guess I missed this.

Ok, gross or net?

coksiw
08-03-2020, 06:29 PM
Guess I missed this.

Ok, gross or net?

Very interesting question.

If you are employed, your "gross" doesn't include the payroll tax, and the company contribution to the healthcare premium, which both could total thousands. I don't know of anybody that takes that into account for their tithe.

What if I'm an independent contractor and I have to pay my own health insurance entirely and my payroll tax? What would be my "gross"? Would I be paying more tithe even though may effective "increase" is equivalent to that of an employee?

So to be fair to the independent contractor, you should include your payroll tax and the company health premium contribution to your "gross". Your company may be paying $1000 to your family health premium, and another $500 a month in payroll taxes. So you may owe $150 more a month in tithing. And please, since the tithing doctrine is quoted from the law (Mal 3:8, right?), don't forget to apply the rest of the law for delayed tithes. :heeheehee

(The answer diakonos is not targeted to you specifically, just adding to the discussion in general)

Tithesmeister
08-03-2020, 06:45 PM
Guess I missed this.

Ok, gross or net?

The ENTIRE tithe doctrine taught by the modern Christian church is gross!

But, that’s a whole different thread.

Nicodemus1968
08-03-2020, 07:37 PM
Very interesting question.

If you are employed, your "gross" doesn't include the payroll tax, and the company contribution to the healthcare premium, which both could total thousands. I don't know of anybody that takes that into account for their tithe.

What if I'm an independent contractor and I have to pay my own health insurance entirely and my payroll tax? What would be my "gross"? Would I be paying more tithe even though may effective "increase" is equivalent to that of an employee?

So to be fair to the independent contractor, you should include your payroll tax and the company health premium contribution to your "gross". Your company may be paying $1000 to your family health premium, and another $500 a month in payroll taxes. So you may owe $150 more a month in tithing. And please, since the tithing doctrine is quoted from the law (Mal 3:8, right?), don't forget to apply the rest of the law for delayed tithes. :heeheehee

(The answer diakonos is not targeted to you specifically, just adding to the discussion in general)

:heeheehee

Nicodemus1968
08-03-2020, 07:53 PM
How many are still live streaming their services?

Evang.Benincasa
08-03-2020, 08:05 PM
How many are still live streaming their services?

Isn't everyone back in their church buildings?

Evang.Benincasa
08-03-2020, 08:05 PM
Don't they want to reopen their church buildings so their armed guards have some work?

Nicodemus1968
08-03-2020, 08:35 PM
Don't they want to reopen their church buildings so their armed guards have some work?

I would say so.

Nicodemus1968
08-03-2020, 08:36 PM
Isn't everyone back in their church buildings?

I would hope they are.

diakonos
08-04-2020, 05:15 AM
I would hope they are.

No. Not in CA. Many are doing the parking lot service or a park service. At that point, should just stay home. 🤷🏻..♂️

Evang.Benincasa
08-04-2020, 07:58 AM
No. Not in CA. Many are doing the parking lot service or a park service. At that point, should just stay home. 🤷🏻..♂️

Parking lot service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owazie9ZNBs&ab_channel=TheNewYorkTimes

aegsm76
08-04-2020, 08:23 AM
No. Not in CA. Many are doing the parking lot service or a park service. At that point, should just stay home. 🤷🏻..♂️

Several churches are having tent services!
Just like the old time revivals!

Evang.Benincasa
08-04-2020, 08:27 AM
Several churches are having tent services!
Just like the old time revivals!

A brush arbor, I can understand, because it is all open air. But a tent still encloses the people inside the structure.

I have another question are people still wearing masks inside the church services?

Amanah
08-04-2020, 08:31 AM
A brush arbor, I can understand, because it is all open air. But a tent still encloses the people inside the structure.

I have another question are people still wearing masks inside the church services?

Only those that are having covid outbreaks from what I can tell

diakonos
08-04-2020, 12:46 PM
Several churches are having tent services!
Just like the old time revivals!

Does utilizing tent make it more exciting?

Nicodemus1968
08-04-2020, 03:00 PM
A brush arbor, I can understand, because it is all open air. But a tent still encloses the people inside the structure.

I have another question are people still wearing masks inside the church services?

I hope not.

Nicodemus1968
08-04-2020, 03:08 PM
Parking lot service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owazie9ZNBs&ab_channel=TheNewYorkTimes

I know several families that are comfortable with services being live streamed. The church doors opened, yet they NOW prefer to stay home. It’s more convenient for them. Stay in your pjs and “hear the word of the Lord”.

While men slept.....

diakonos
08-04-2020, 03:17 PM
Parking lot service?


Cars are spaced 6 ft apart :lol

diakonos
08-04-2020, 03:35 PM
I know several families that are comfortable with services being live streamed. The church doors opened, yet they NOW prefer to stay home. It’s more convenient for them. Stay in your pjs and “hear the word of the Lord”.

While men slept.....

After churches reopened in AR my pal felt the same way. He streamed from bed.

Evang.Benincasa
08-04-2020, 04:53 PM
Cars are spaced 6 ft apart :lol
Down here in South Florida, the weather is called sub tropical. Which means hot and humid, emphasis on the humid. Being out in a parking lot must be pretty interesting during the heat and rain. Anyway, outbreaks of COVID? So, lets see, a church down here had parishioner who was diagnosed positive for COVID 19. So, the pastor sent everyone home for two weeks. My question would be how many times can you do that? How many times can you send everyone home? There will be new cases correct? Especially down here in South Florida, where we are supposedly having spikes in this virus, therefore one should expect to have parishioners contracting this virus from time to time. So, once you get everyone back in the building, running the pews, weeping and blowing snot bubbles in the altar. You may turn around and find out that some sinner or saint got the bad news that they are positive for COVID. Once again, everyone has to get up and leave the building again. Masks or no masks, 6 feet apart or no 6 feet apart. How does someone weep in the altar with a mask?

jediwill83
08-04-2020, 05:52 PM
Down here in South Florida, the weather is called sub tropical. Which means hot and humid, emphasis on the humid. Being out in a parking lot must be pretty interesting during the heat and rain. Anyway, outbreaks of COVID? So, lets see, a church down here had parishioner who was diagnosed positive for COVID 19. So, the pastor sent everyone home for two weeks. My question would be how many times can you do that? How many times can you send everyone home? There will be new cases correct? Especially down here in South Florida, where we are supposedly having spikes in this virus, therefore one should expect to have parishioners contracting this virus from time to time. So, once you get everyone back in the building, running the pews, weeping and blowing snot bubbles in the altar. You may turn around and find out that some sinner or saint got the bad news that they are positive for COVID. Once again, everyone has to get up and leave the building again. Masks or no masks, 6 feet apart or no 6 feet apart. How does someone weep in the altar with a mask?


Did God call you to build Him a house of cedar?


Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Evang.Benincasa
08-05-2020, 08:06 AM
Did God call you to build Him a house of cedar?


Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

What does that have to do with gathering in a house? :heeheehee

Acts 2:46 they gathered in their homes. Acts 12:12 They had church in a home. Romans 16:3, 5 again the verse specifically states the “church” the group of believers met and gathered in a house. There are other verses which say the same. While God dwells in the hearts of believers, He didn’t intend for us to be apart from an organized group of believers. Or standing out in the rain, or snow while we meet together. :lol

jediwill83
08-05-2020, 09:20 AM
What does that have to do with gathering in a house? :heeheehee

Acts 2:46 they gathered in their homes. Acts 12:12 They had church in a home. Romans 16:3, 5 again the verse specifically states the “church” the group of believers met and gathered in a house. There are other verses which say the same. While God dwells in the hearts of believers, He didn’t intend for us to be apart from an organized group of believers. Or standing out in the rain, or snow while we meet together. :lol


They met where they could as they could. There was no formal command to establish a building. Time to adapt and overcome...I mean or not. Its people's choice really. If everyone wants to throw up their hands bemoaning the fact that they cant possibly exist and thrive without a desginated location to meet...well...thats on them.


That's like a fat guy making excuses for his failure to maintain his weight loss because his treadmill no longer works with a perfectly good walking track outside.


Come on bro you know EXACTLY what I mean.


People have given up because they have been brainwashed and lied to that God cant do what God does unless the planets align just so and Sis BucketMouth has to have her fingers.


Church is acting like its too crippled for crutches.


There is no amount of accommodation and bending over backwards that will force someone to be in a right relationship with God that doesnt have their mind made up no matter the situation and circumstances.


Inversely, the same applies...if someone IS determined to live for God there is NOTHING they will allow to stop them.


To live is Christ but to die is gain.


Some people are just balking at the cost bro.


The thing is that attitudes and mindsets are revealed during times of trouble like this and yes theres a great falling away...but the ones falling away werent really in it to win it in the first place....somewhere along the way they got comfortable with the ebb and flow of predictable church culture.


Everything is going along just fine and we dont want any adventures....then God comes along and takes you somewhere unexpected and some people just can't handle it and they dont recover and instead of becoming the High Priest of the home...they whine about the responsibility that is now squarely on their shoulders.


"WHADDYA MEAN I GOT TO LEAD MY FAMILY IN WORSHIP???"


"WE PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THAT BUILDING!"


How many times has a man or woman of God prayed the prayer of faith over you long distance and God move?


Remember that drill?


We know God isnt limited by space and distance and the only limitation is our own belief that God is limited.


So why all the kvetching about the building?


Your people dont have phones?


You telling me that mawmaw can figure out facebook and social media to the point of spreading worship of their politician of choice along with pics of grandkids, and cat memes but nobody can teach her how to look up good teaching and preaching video and or audio or even call her up and add her to a prayer meeting group chat?


If thats the faith of my elders and whoever else I dont want it.


I can't live for God throwing up my hands in despair when things aren't comfortable and not going the way I felt it should have in my life.


Man, people need to find a way...ANY way to connect to people and let the Spirit thats SUPPOSED to be alive and active within them come forth and bring life to the dying.


You do that and God will step into the situation and not only minister life to the hearer but also the speaker that has yielded in obedience to the HolyGhost.


People are milling about in fear and confusion not understanding that this is a course correction that is divinely orchestrated by God to MOVE the church out into the field of harvest and its going to take some adjustment and there are going to have to be some people that are honest and humble and change and say "God, WHATEVER it takes."


I was asked one time by my ex pastor and pastors wife "Will, what do you believe is the key to revival."


I believe I spoke under the annointing of the HolyGhost when I responded,"Revival will be had when you do OUT THERE what you're doing IN HERE."


God has been placing people in my life that I can minister to and Ive been doing it in person and online.


Im talking divinely orchestrated connections where God is doing miracles and bringing revelation to people of who He is.


A couple of months ago I introduced myself to a man I met through a podcast. We connected and became very close very quickly and its just been the hand of the Lord in the entire thing.


This Jewish Quaker called me weeping last week asking for prayer and over an encryted Signal app I ministered to him in the HolyGhost and preached repentence and baptism in Jesus name unto him and it blew me away because I wasnt in a "anointed " mindset in the least...I was worried and stressed and about to take a nap but I put all that aside and obeyed God and preached righteousness and repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus to him and God did a miraculous work in his life and Im working with him to connect him to people that will baptise him...but if it came down to it Id have no problem saying the words over him with speakerphone activated myself while he dipped himself.


Some of you would probably balk at me doing that.


I really honestly dont care.


Im not looking for excuses to fail.


I look forward to the day where I can speak the word of faith on whatever medium of communication I have at my disposal and have sicknesses healed, demons manifest and be cast out and people be filled with the HolyGhost...and if I gotta wear a mask and deliver for Postmates for that opportunity...so be it...If I have to record podcasts and let God speak through me with that....so be it.


Some of you need to go back and read Hosea and see exactly what God is doing to this nation, this world and even the church.


He has given you blessings and you have turned from Him back to your old lovers and said that it is they and not God that has given you these blessings...you have backslid and born Him strange children that are NOT His so therefore will God strip you naked and take back everything He has given to cause you to repent.

diakonos
08-05-2020, 09:30 AM
Thahell did all this come from?

n david
08-05-2020, 12:59 PM
Art Hodges gave a good answer to the “we can just livestream and be good” movement. He said there’s a difference between building a fire and being near a fire and just putting a video of a fire on your tv.

No one is suggesting God can’t move outside of a building. I haven’t read any such claim.

But there’s a reason the Bible says to not forsake assembling together. That wasn’t a suggestion.

coksiw
08-05-2020, 03:52 PM
They met where they could as they could. There was no formal command to establish a building. Time to adapt and overcome...I mean or not. Its people's choice really. If everyone wants to throw up their hands bemoaning the fact that they cant possibly exist and thrive without a desginated location to meet...well...thats on them.


That's like a fat guy making excuses for his failure to maintain his weight loss because his treadmill no longer works with a perfectly good walking track outside.


Come on bro you know EXACTLY what I mean.


People have given up because they .....
Shortened to avoid duplicating text...

:nod :highfive

coksiw
08-05-2020, 04:01 PM
Here, let's see this question with Bible:

The first disciples, probably thousands, meeting in large crowds at the temple court.

[Act 2:46 NKJV] 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
[Act 5:42 NKJV] 42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus [as] the Christ.

Persecution breaks out:

[Act 8:1, 4-5 NKJV] 1 Now Saul was consenting to his death. At that time a great persecution arose against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. ... 4 Therefore those who were scattered went everywhere preaching the word. 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them.


Apostles stayed at Jerusalem, the rest fled. The people that stopped going to the large crowds at the Temple and fled committed a sin? Did they disobey Heb? After this, you don't see them again in the Temple Court in large crowds. Maybe they were after the persecution ended, but maybe not, it isn't recorded.

Conclusion: in case of emergency, be ready to break out your large crowds.

Assemble? Yes, you must, plenty of Bible for that. Sizing? Flexible. Large crowds is a blessing, but not always possible.

People avoiding large crowds gathering are NOT sinning against God, but they should gather at home with other saints in small groups, where communication is excellent and can avoid the contagious more effectively, at least until the "bombing" is over.

diakonos
08-05-2020, 04:35 PM
So much noise. EB wasn’t saying that you have to meet in a church building. He asked... never mind.

Evang.Benincasa
08-06-2020, 06:47 PM
So much noise. EB wasn’t saying that you have to meet in a church building. He asked... never mind.

:highfive

Praxeas
08-10-2020, 02:01 AM
We have outdoor services

Evang.Benincasa
08-10-2020, 07:29 AM
We have outdoor services

Prax, where are you located again?

diakonos
08-10-2020, 08:45 AM
Prax, where are you located again?

Oxnard maybe

hometown guy
08-10-2020, 10:49 AM
We have outdoor services

Must be tight with limited parking you all have already!

Evang.Benincasa
08-10-2020, 06:37 PM
Outside services down her in South Florida would sure be a bit warm.

This country has gone to hell in a handbasket.

diakonos
08-10-2020, 06:53 PM
Outside services down her in South Florida would sure be a bit warm.

This country has gone to hell in a handbasket.

No church all winter for those that get snowfall

Evang.Benincasa
08-10-2020, 08:44 PM
No church all winter for those that get snowfall

It's crazy, I never stopped having church indoors. Oh, and guess what, no one got COVID. Good God from Zion!

diakonos
08-10-2020, 10:44 PM
It's crazy, I never stopped having church indoors. Oh, and guess what, no one got COVID. Good God from Zion!

Maybe y’all are “carriers.”

Jito463
08-11-2020, 12:30 AM
A local billiards & bowling alley is keeping open, despite no mask requirement, no social distancing requirement and the local city and county HHS trying to shut them down for it. HHS actually put signs up saying the building was closed down, and they ripped the signs down and stayed open anyway.
:happydance

It's funny, because their logic is only practical. They can't ask people about medical requirements because of HIPAA laws. They can't ban people without masks, because of the ADA. As such, any attempt to prevent access would be by violating federal law. But the queen has spoken, and the subjects of the land are all expected to fall in line.

Last I heard, the owner was planning on filing a recall vote against her. He's got my vote.

Amanah
08-11-2020, 09:59 AM
parking lot preaching at its finest.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6551&stc=1&d=1597161519

jediwill83
08-11-2020, 01:25 PM
parking lot preaching at its finest.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6551&stc=1&d=1597161519


Kinda like how Jesus preached from a boat and let the waters natural properties enhance the sound. Very cool.

Evang.Benincasa
08-11-2020, 11:40 PM
Maybe y’all are “carriers.”

Maybe we are all holograms, and this existence is only a projection from an alien entity. Or that the rest of you are a bunch of unhealthy jokers, who get sick every year. Illness which range from the common cold to strep throat? Your diets consist of a corn dog in bag and a diet coke. One thing about Pentecostals, they stay up late, they eat super unhealthy food late at night at restaurants, and the most exercise they get is shouting around the platform on a Sunday night. :heeheehee

diakonos
08-12-2020, 12:33 AM
Maybe we are all holograms, and this existence is only a projection from an alien entity. Or that the rest of you are a bunch of unhealthy jokers, who get sick every year. Illness which range from the common cold to strep throat? Your diets consist of a corn dog in bag and a diet coke. One thing about Pentecostals, they stay up late, they eat super unhealthy food late at night at restaurants, and the most exercise they get is shouting around the platform on a Sunday night. :heeheehee

Good points. It’s hitting people hard that are not in the best of health.

Evang.Benincasa
08-12-2020, 09:30 PM
Good points. It’s hitting people hard that are not in the best of health.

Yet, that is a basic premise of societies throughout history. One of the reason for force marches was to weed out the unhealthy, the old, the very young. All the groups which bring a strain on an occupying military force. The surprising thing is this, the homeless "street people" are the filthiest, most unhygienic group there is among our population. During the whole hullabaloo their numbers weren't really effected, my opinion is that their immunity is stronger because of their adaptation to elements which would make John Q Public end up in the hospital with MRSA infection. I can go in depth on why I see their immunity is tends to be stronger, but I will be brief. The rank and file of the citizens who mask it around our country, are just so unhealthy, over weight, and downright weak. Compile that with other prior conditions of lung issues, blood issues, and most of all heart issues. Then what we end up with is a recipe for disaster. My church family can congregate without so much of a sniffle because for the most part they are not only active health wise, but the are mindful health food wise. Not saying that in itself is always a barrier for sickness. But being mindful of exercise and proper healthy diet does go a long way when facing illness head on.

Jito463
08-12-2020, 11:24 PM
Good points. It’s hitting people hard that are not in the best of health.

Ironically, I'm overweight, don't get much sun (stay in my room on my computer), have high BP and acid reflux, and not only have I not got it - despite having dealt with customer's almost every day without a mask, save for the past few weeks - I don't know anyone around me who's had it. Had a couple coworkers take some time off because they thought they had it, but it turned out they didn't.

Evang.Benincasa
08-13-2020, 06:57 PM
Ironically, I'm overweight, don't get much sun (stay in my room on my computer), have high BP and acid reflux, and not only have I not got it - despite having dealt with customer's almost every day without a mask, save for the past few weeks - I don't know anyone around me who's had it. Had a couple coworkers take some time off because they thought they had it, but it turned out they didn't.

You mind if I ask how old are you?

Jito463
08-14-2020, 06:07 PM
You mind if I ask how old are you?

Nope, I don't mind at all.


























:heeheehee

I'm 43.

n david
09-22-2020, 03:28 PM
A church in Oregon went to online streaming services only "due to air quality" from the wildfires. Some are just looking for an excuse now...

diakonos
09-22-2020, 04:02 PM
A church in Oregon went to online streaming services only "due to air quality" from the wildfires. Some are just looking for an excuse now...

Why is that not a valid excuse?

Amanah
09-23-2020, 04:53 AM
Speaking of streaming

http://www.upcigc.net/schedule/

http://www.upcigc.net/seminars/

Nicodemus1968
09-23-2020, 08:22 AM
A church in Oregon went to online streaming services only "due to air quality" from the wildfires. Some are just looking for an excuse now...

Did you think it was going back to the same after all these church completely shut their doors?

n david
09-23-2020, 10:52 AM
Why is that not a valid excuse?
Previous videos showed them having services inside their building with the congregation, so I'm not sure why air quality would be an issue. Just seems odd to me.

Amanah
09-25-2020, 06:50 PM
Speaking of streaming

http://www.upcigc.net/schedule/

http://www.upcigc.net/seminars/

Doctrinal aspects of the merger
Bro David Norris:

https://youtu.be/XU4tf_zvi7M