Have Apostolic Churches changed since 2005?

[jfrog]

So I can't remember the last time I stepped foot in an Apostolic Church. I estimate 2005 but that may not be the exact year.

How have things changed since then?

[votivesoul]

So I can't remember the last time I stepped foot in an Apostolic Church. I estimate 2005 but that may not be the exact year.

How have things changed since then?

There is no one size fits all answer. It would have to be a case by case analysis. So, why not step into one and find our for yourself?

[Amanah]

There is no one size fits all answer. It would have to be a case by case analysis. So, why not step into one and find our for yourself?

:thumbsup

[jfrog]

There is no one size fits all answer.

Obviously. But that doesn't mean you can't share your perspective.

So, why not step into one and find our for yourself?

1. Because It 5:30 AM on a Saturday morning.
2. Because this is a discussion forum - and so you should discuss the topic instead of immediately discount it as you are doing
3. Because as you noted - your experience could be different than mine

Thus, stepping into 1 isn't possible at this very moment and even if I could it simply cannot answer my question as sufficiently as asking for community input of individuals from various apostolic churches.

[Michael The Disciple]

Speaking from just my own experience I can say:

There are no more set aside times for testimonies. There is no what used to be called "shouting". They do not teach "be perfect".

[seguidordejesus]

https://youtu.be/sIKUkcNeZfQ

[james34]

Speaking from just my own experience I can say:

There are no more set aside times for testimonies. There is no what used to be called "shouting". They do not teach "be perfect".

The lack of teaching or belief In being "made perfect" has become normative in most churches. And I visit around a lot , lots of fellowship meeting and political correctness(code name love and kindness)runs the pulpits.

[Michael The Disciple]

The lack of teaching or belief In being "made perfect" has become normative in most churches. And I visit around a lot , lots of fellowship meeting and political correctness(code name love and kindness)runs the pulpits.

The way I always see it happen is, they preach a message about holiness or hit on it for a minute. Then they say "Im not talking about being perfect". "Anyone here think their perfect"? So what was gained?

As far as fellowship goes I have never been part of a mainstream Apostolic Church that encourages it.

[james34]

One of my beliefs is that, you will have good fellowship when you find people who want to be perfect. My expectation of the standard for church is not that everyone has to be perfect, but they need to have an earnest desire to be made perfect. The moment someone professes that you cant be perfect , then there is a high potential of never being so. I have not met anyone who I think is perfect, but I have met some who strive to be. Some dont today , but then later they change and do strive that way. The bible message is "let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity". When we sin do we feel we have let God down? Why would he be let down about something he has put beyond our control.

I went to the Lord about this very idea. How that we struggle against sin and the flesh, but yet we are not perfect. The Lord has never rebuked me for approaching him with this train of thought. He did speak to me in a dream , in which I put this dilemma of "the struggle" before him. He conveyed to me that we had better earnestly be in the struggle. In other words we better be pressing for the place where we have the victory over the thing we are struggling with. If we are not pressing for that place of victory, then we have given in to this idea that perfection is impossible.

The apostle Paul said it best in Philippians: 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you

[Jito463]

My expectation of the standard for church is not that everyone has to be perfect, but they need to have an earnest desire to be made perfect.

Exactly. We will never be perfect until we are given our glorified bodies, but we need to strive for perfection while here on earth.

[Michael The Disciple]

Exactly. We will never be perfect until we are given our glorified bodies, but we need to strive for perfection while here on earth.

Then the ministry has certainly failed their job.

Col. 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

[jfrog]

The way I always see it happen is, they preach a message about holiness or hit on it for a minute. Then they say "Im not talking about being perfect". "Anyone here think their perfect"? So what was gained?

As far as fellowship goes I have never been part of a mainstream Apostolic Church that encourages it.

Romans 6 seems pretty clear on continuing in sin.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

And perhaps most importantly,

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

[jfrog]

Speaking from just my own experience I can say:

There are no more set aside times for testimonies. There is no what used to be called "shouting". They do not teach "be perfect".

Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?

[Jito463]

Then the ministry has certainly failed their job.

Col. 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Perfection - like holiness - is a process, not an immediate result. Just as we walk in holiness, in order to be holy, we must strive for perfection, in order to be perfect. Let's go back a few verses from the one you posted, to Col. 1:22-23

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

First he says that the body of Christ, through death, was to present us holy, unblameable and unreprovable (in other words: perfect). Then he goes on to qualify that with "If ye continue in the faith". So long as we live in these earthly bodies, we will need to crucify the flesh and "continue in the faith". Once our bodies have been glorified, there will be no need to strive for perfection, as we will be made perfect at that time.

[hometown guy]

Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?

Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.

[diakonos]

Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.

Walking on the pews?

[jfrog]

Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.

Just to be clear,

Still running around the church
Still walking on pews
Ceased devilless floor convulsing

[jfrog]

What about holiness or hell messages? Still a thing?

[Michael The Disciple]

Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?

No. Not where Ive been.

[Michael The Disciple]

What about holiness or hell messages? Still a thing?

Not near enough.

[Michael The Disciple]

Romans 6 seems pretty clear on continuing in sin.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

And perhaps most importantly,

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Amen:highfive

[diakonos]

Why are people walking on pews?

[jfrog]

Why are people walking on pews?

Out of all the things I asked about that is the one that grabbed your attention :spit

[diakonos]

Out of all the things I asked about that is the one that grabbed your attention :spit

Yes. What is the point in that?

[jfrog]

Yes. What is the point in that?

Ask the preachers who have done it?

[Michael The Disciple]

Ask the preachers who have done it?

I have not seen it in an Apostolic Church. I did see it in the Freewill Baptist Church I went to decades ago as well as in Trinity Pentecostal.

They say they are overwhelmed by the Spirit to do it.

[Esaias]

Speaking from just my own experience I can say:

There are no more set aside times for testimonies. There is no what used to be called "shouting". They do not teach "be perfect".

I thought you disapproved of "shouting"? Seems I remember you speaking against that awhile back.

Anyway, all these generalised statements about "apostolic churches" are ridiculous. Never mind that a lot of so called Oneness Pentecostal "churches" aren't apostolic to begin with. Acts 2:38 is NOT the sum total of the apostles' doctrine.

We ALWAYS have testimonies. Every church that I have ever been a part of (except the brief time we languished in a charismatic church) had testimony time. And even THAT place would occasionally mention praise reports from the members.

I have not been a member of a no shout church. And wouldn't. Don't have to shout ever time all the time, but a straight up "no shouting here" church? Won't see me there.

Most of the churches I have been involved with in my life, the oneness pentecostal ones, taught be ye perfect. Not always as clearly as perhaps might be done, but I have never been a part of a church that taught you can't stop sinning. Except for that charismatic church, that is.

First message I ever preached as a young man was in a UPC, and included the declaration "You weren't BORN a sinner, you CAN be saved from all your sin" and the pastor jumped up and shouted amen and didn't sit back down till next service.

I don't know what kind of churches you've been visiting, but I'd say you need to get out more often.

[diakonos]

My first pastor made sure we knew that “everyone sins everyday” was a lie.

[Michael The Disciple]

I thought you disapproved of "shouting"? Seems I remember you speaking against that awhile back.

I dont know that I said I disapproved of it. When I say "shouting" what I mean could be a combination of dancing, jerking, running and literal shouting. I have seen all this in Apostolic Churches long ago but not in recent years.

It not that Im against these things but I am ministered to more by more "Charismatic" type worship. The Apostolic Churches I have been around lately are doing this more than the other.

Anyway, all these generalised statements about "apostolic churches" are ridiculous. Never mind that a lot of so called Oneness Pentecostal "churches" aren't apostolic to begin with. Acts 2:38 is NOT the sum total of the apostles' doctrine.

Well he is asking what we as individuals have seen. Im simply reporting. I fully realize there are thousands of what are called Apostolic Churches and I have been in maybe about 20 mostly as a visitor. Nonetheless I have been Apostolic myself since 1980 so I know somewhat about these things having heard and seen things also on the net.

But I also agree the sum total of the Apostles doctrine is more than Acts 2:38. Thats the problem I have in being part of the "movement".

We ALWAYS have testimonies. Every church that I have ever been a part of (except the brief time we languished in a charismatic church) had testimony time. And even THAT place would occasionally mention praise reports from the members.

And about all Churches USED to have testimonies. Usually in every meeting. I can say for sure there is no testimony service or set aside time for them in the 3 Churches I have been with in later years. The Charismatic groups I used to be around always had them and so did Apostolics in the past. That doesnt mean there NEVER are testimonies. Just that its not a regular part of the meeting.

Most of the churches I have been involved with in my life, the oneness pentecostal ones, taught be ye perfect. Not always as clearly as perhaps might be done, but I have never been a part of a church that taught you can't stop sinning. Except for that charismatic church, that is.

I have never heard perfection preached in an Apostolic Church. They all preach what they call "holiness" but they all (in my experience) make sure to explain their not talking about sinless perfection. They count it as false doctrine.

I don't know what kind of churches you've been visiting, but I'd say you need to get out more often.

Admittedly there are thousands of local Churches I have not been to. I have tried various livestreams. I believe that Oneness and Acts 2:38 Churches have more truth than most simply on the basis of those 2 things. Yet the more I have "gotten out" over the years has increased my disappointment with them.

BUT.....I believe there must be good Churches somewhere. So I would recommend the thread starter Bro. Frog to start searching around. He may find something great and be able to share it with others who are looking.

[hometown guy]

Walking on the pews?

Well we have chairs but walked over them plenty of times

[Praxeas]

Just to be clear,

Still running around the church
Still walking on pews
Ceased devilless floor convulsing
We don't use pews now,,we wwlk on folding chairs.

If we really feel it we might slam a chair over someone's back.

Due to inflation, tithing has gone up from 10% to 15.4%

We give out Mc Donald's monopoly game cards in exchange for offerings.

Oh...and preachers are "mailing" it in from home

[jfrog]

We don't use pews now,,we wwlk on folding chairs.

If we really feel it we might slam a chair over someone's back.

Due to inflation, tithing has gone up from 10% to 15.4%

We give out Mc Donald's monopoly game cards in exchange for offerings.

Oh...and preachers are "mailing" it in from home

LOL.

Good to see you around Prax.

[diakonos]

Well we have chairs but walked over them plenty of times

Because why???

[jfrog]

I dont know that I said I disapproved of it. When I say "shouting" what I mean could be a combination of dancing, jerking, running and literal shouting. I have seen all this in Apostolic Churches long ago but not in recent years.

It not that Im against these things but I am ministered to more by more "Charismatic" type worship. The Apostolic Churches I have been around lately are doing this more than the other.



Well he is asking what we as individuals have seen. Im simply reporting. I fully realize there are thousands of what are called Apostolic Churches and I have been in maybe about 20 mostly as a visitor. Nonetheless I have been Apostolic myself since 1980 so I know somewhat about these things having heard and seen things also on the net.

But I also agree the sum total of the Apostles doctrine is more than Acts 2:38. Thats the problem I have in being part of the "movement".



And about all Churches USED to have testimonies. Usually in every meeting. I can say for sure there is no testimony service or set aside time for them in the 3 Churches I have been with in later years. The Charismatic groups I used to be around always had them and so did Apostolics in the past. That doesnt mean there NEVER are testimonies. Just that its not a regular part of the meeting.



I have never heard perfection preached in an Apostolic Church. They all preach what they call "holiness" but they all (in my experience) make sure to explain their not talking about sinless perfection. They count it as false doctrine.



Admittedly there are thousands of local Churches I have not been to. I have tried various livestreams. I believe that Oneness and Acts 2:38 Churches have more truth than most simply on the basis of those 2 things. Yet the more I have "gotten out" over the years has increased my disappointment with them.

BUT.....I believe there must be good Churches somewhere. So I would recommend the thread starter Bro. Frog to start searching around. He may find something great and be able to share it with others who are looking.

Thanks for the report and additional info Michael.

[hometown guy]

Because why???

Why not?

[diakonos]

Why not?

Looks stupid.

[seguidordejesus]

Why are people walking on pews?

The floor is lava, my children tell me.

[hometown guy]

Looks stupid.

And?

[diakonos]

And?

That’s the point.

[hometown guy]

That’s the point.

I’ve been to lots of places where people do stuff that others thinks looks stupid. Our human emotion is limited and sometimes we do stupid looking stuff because of it. What is wrong with that? You must be one of them dignified folks that stand there and do nothing at church and criticize others??. Keep looking out the window if you want....

[diakonos]

I’ve been to lots of places where people do stuff that others thinks looks stupid. Our human emotion is limited and sometimes we do stupid looking stuff because of it. What is wrong with that? You must be one of them dignified folks that stand there and do nothing at church and criticize others??. Keep looking out the window if you want....

WRONG! I just don’t like when people think we’re all idiots because they have seen some stupid stuff take place in a church.

I misplaced my face mask that I use for work. So I wore the one I purchased at the church that displays the church name in initials. A guy asked what the letters stand for. I told him it stands for the name of the church.

Guy: “but what is the name?”
Me: “Pentecostals of...”
Guy: “Those the ones that yell?”
Me: “what? You mean shout?”
Guy: “anyone shouts in my face they’re getting punched!”
Me: “I haven’t seen anyone yell in a persons face.”

We get known for things, some of which we shouldn’t be known for.

[Esaias]

WRONG! I just don’t like when people think we’re all idiots because they have seen some stupid stuff take place in a church.

I misplaced my face mask that I use for work. So I wore the one I purchased at the church that displays the church name in initials. A guy asked what the letters stand for. I told him it stands for the name of the church.

Guy: “but what is the name?”
Me: “Pentecostals of...”
Guy: “Those the ones that yell?”
Me: “what? You mean shout?”
Guy: “anyone shouts in my face they’re getting punched!”
Me: “I haven’t seen anyone yell in a persons face.”

We get known for things, some of which we shouldn’t be known for.

1 Corinthians 4:8-13 KJV
Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you. [9] For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. [10] We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. [11] Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; [12] And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: [13] Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

[jfrog]

WRONG! I just don’t like when people think we’re all idiots because they have seen some stupid stuff take place in a church.

I misplaced my face mask that I use for work. So I wore the one I purchased at the church that displays the church name in initials. A guy asked what the letters stand for. I told him it stands for the name of the church.

Guy: “but what is the name?”
Me: “Pentecostals of...”
Guy: “Those the ones that yell?”
Me: “what? You mean shout?”
Guy: “anyone shouts in my face they’re getting punched!”
Me: “I haven’t seen anyone yell in a persons face.”

We get known for things, some of which we shouldn’t be known for.

I seem to recall that they accused early Christians of eating babies. Kind of seems it may go with the territory.

[hometown guy]

WRONG! I just don’t like when people think we’re all idiots because they have seen some stupid stuff take place in a church.

I misplaced my face mask that I use for work. So I wore the one I purchased at the church that displays the church name in initials. A guy asked what the letters stand for. I told him it stands for the name of the church.

Guy: “but what is the name?”
Me: “Pentecostals of...”
Guy: “Those the ones that yell?”
Me: “what? You mean shout?”
Guy: “anyone shouts in my face they’re getting punched!”
Me: “I haven’t seen anyone yell in a persons face.”

We get known for things, some of which we shouldn’t be known for.


The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God

[jfrog]

The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God

Isn't that basically the Bible verse for: "I do what I want"?

Seems nearly anything you want to do can be justified with that verse.

[hometown guy]

Isn't that basically the Bible verse for: "I do what I want"?

Seems nearly anything you want to do can be justified with that verse.

You can take it that way... but we know you fit that scripture too

[diakonos]

The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God

Riiight... blame God for you walking on chairs!? Sure...

[hometown guy]

Riiight... blame God for you walking on chairs!? Sure...

I’m sorry where did I say that? I said “ emotion “. Not once did I say God made me do it.

You sound just like the “ guy “ in your little story earlier

[jfrog]

I’m sorry where did I say that? I said “ emotion “. Not once did I say God made me do it.

You sound just like the “ guy “ in your little story earlier

So there's some dissonance here...

You quoted the bible about "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God" to defend something you admit in the very next breath is being caused by emotional overload.

It's almost like you are subconsciously picking the best sounding defense for the given criticism.

[hometown guy]

So there's some dissonance here...

You quoted the bible about "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God" to defend something you admit in the very next breath is being caused by emotional overload.

It's almost like you are subconsciously picking the best sounding defense for the given criticism.

You are wrong. If you really were able to comprehend the power of the HG that is in me ( by the grace and mercy of God ) then you would understand that as a human I don’t have the perfect emotion to express what is happening inside of me. Sometimes I may do stuff that others don’t understand... I do all this in self control tho... I have “ felt “ like doing crazier things than walking on pews, rolling on the floor or even standing on top of a pulpit but I understand that’s it’s not God making me do these things but it’s my expression of what is happening in me.

[jfrog]

You are wrong.

If you really were able to comprehend the power of the HG that is in me ( by the grace and mercy of God ) then you would understand that as a human I don’t have the perfect emotion to express what is happening inside of me.

Sounds like a perfectly fine explanation that doesn't involve your quoted bible verse at all. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God".

Sometimes I may do stuff that others don’t understand... I do all this in self control tho... I have “ felt “ like doing crazier things than walking on pews, rolling on the floor or even standing on top of a pulpit but I understand that’s it’s not God making me do these things but it’s my expression of what is happening in me.

Interesting. Generally one isn't in control of their emotional responses. You claim that you are when it comes to not having the perfect emotion to express the power of the HG that is happening inside you.

[hometown guy]

Sounds like a perfectly fine explanation that doesn't involve your quoted bible verse at all. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God".



Interesting. Generally one isn't in control of their emotional responses. You claim that you are when it comes to not having the perfect emotion to express the power of the HG that is happening inside you.

Really? One isn’t in control of their emotional responses?? Let’s see you not control your emotional response next time a cop pulls you over and you don’t agree with him.... it sure is hard to explain it to someone without the HG and doesn’t even believe the Bible is absolute truth so might as well not try with you..... in fact I can’t remember... do you even believe the God of the Bible?

[diakonos]

Red herrings everywhere

[hometown guy]

Red herrings everywhere

Hope that was not intended for me...

[jfrog]

Really? One isn’t in control of their emotional responses?? Let’s see you not control your emotional response next time a cop pulls you over and you don’t agree with him.... it sure is hard to explain it to someone without the HG and doesn’t even believe the Bible is absolute truth so might as well not try with you..... in fact I can’t remember... do you even believe the God of the Bible?

Let's step through this.

1. The HG provokes strong emotions within you.
2. You are in control of your emotional response.
3. Due to those strong emotions you choose to walk on pews, shout and convulse on the floor.

So why did you choose to do those things if you were in control of your emotional response?

(Everyone pay close attention because now we are now going to get to the point where his argument shifts to something akin to: he didn't actually choose and that anyone logically walking through his description must just be someone devoid of understanding anything about God.)

[hometown guy]

Let's step through this.

1. The HG provokes strong emotions within you.
2. You are in control of your emotional response.
3. Due to those strong emotions you choose to walk on pews, shout and convulse on the floor.

So why did you choose to do those things if you were in control of your emotional response?

(Everyone pay close attention because now we are now going to get to the point where his argument shifts to something akin to: he didn't actually choose and that anyone logically walking through his description must just be someone devoid of understanding anything about God.)

So your big question is why do I choose to do those things?! Lol... did you ever answer my questions earlier?

[jfrog]

So your big question is why do I choose to do those things?! Lol... did you ever answer my questions earlier?

I don't respond to character assassination style questions. When you would rather talk about me than the actual things I'm saying that's a problem.

Anyways, I am very curious what the reason is you will give for choosing to do those things.

[hometown guy]

I don't respond to character assassination style questions. When you would rather talk about me than the actual things I'm saying that's a problem.

Anyways, I am very curious what the reason is you will give for choosing to do those things.

It’s not character assassination it’s what you have posted yourself in the past if I remember correctly so I’m just clarifying.

Get the HG and you will do something and then you will understand.

[jfrog]

It’s not character assassination it’s what you have posted yourself in the past if I remember correctly so I’m just clarifying.

Get the HG and you will do something and then you will understand.

It's hard to tell someone they don't understand when they received the same HG as you.

[hometown guy]

It's hard to tell someone they don't understand when they received the same HG as you.

Well like I said you don’t even believe so it ain’t that hard to tell you that.

[diakonos]

Get the HG and you will do something and then you will understand.

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[votivesoul]

Obviously. But that doesn't mean you can't share your perspective.



1. Because It 5:30 AM on a Saturday morning.
2. Because this is a discussion forum - and so you should discuss the topic instead of immediately discount it as you are doing
3. Because as you noted - your experience could be different than mine

Thus, stepping into 1 isn't possible at this very moment and even if I could it simply cannot answer my question as sufficiently as asking for community input of individuals from various apostolic churches.

When your first line of defense is asinine rubbish, it becomes clear that the person posing the inquiry isn't fully interested in actually getting a proper answer. Case in point:

Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?

No inquiry about anything laudable or noteworthy, of doctrine, testimonials, salvational experiences, healings or miracles, just questions about controversial behaviors the OP clearly holds in contempt.

[jfrog]

When your first line of defense is asinine rubbish, it becomes clear that the person posing the inquiry isn't fully interested in actually getting a proper answer. Case in point:



No inquiry about anything laudable or noteworthy, of doctrine, testimonials, salvational experiences, healings or miracles, just questions about controversial behaviors the OP clearly holds in contempt.

1. Have those things changed?
2. I don't hold the Pentecostal expression of worship in contempt. I do view it as peculiar and not something I'm sure I want to participate in, but despite that it does hold a special place in my heart. It is something that in some ways I miss.
3. Your gift is obviously not discernment - so maybe you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about others motives?

[CC1]

So I can't remember the last time I stepped foot in an Apostolic Church. I estimate 2005 but that may not be the exact year.

How have things changed since then?

The bathrooms have been painted a different color since then.

[seguidordejesus]

The bathrooms have been painted a different color since then.

I bet the flowers in the corner haven't been dusted