Trump or Biden will win?

[shag]

Who does [you] believe will win the election.

[diakonos]

Satan.

[shag]

Satan.

Or God?
Rom. 13:1

[Michael The Disciple]

My speculation is that Trump wins. The Democomms contest with all their might.

[Evang.Benincasa]

My speculation is that Trump wins. The Democomms contest with all their might.

Don’t you believe that Mystery Babylon is the United States?

[Scott Pitta]

I have no idea what the outcome of the election will be. Nor do I feel inclined to make any predictions.

As in all things in life, I will take it all in stride.

[Michael The Disciple]

Don’t you believe that Mystery Babylon is the United States?

Yes but Im not sure we are that deep into the end time.

[diakonos]

:lol

[Jito463]

Given that Trump holds rallies with 10's of 1,000's of people - while Biden can't muster 50 people, if even that - something tells me that it will be [you].

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yes but Im not sure we are that deep into the end time.

With that being said why are Democrats "Democomms?" wouldn't both groups be Satanic? Also what do you mean you are not sure we aren't that deep into the endtime? Will that be the indicators for you, your wife, and the two dogs to leave the United States? Since we are to come out of her my people? Leaving Mystery Babylon is a prerequisite of NOT sharing in her plagues. So what is your plan?

[Pressing-On]

I know three people who have never voted in their lives. They registered to vote for Trump.
If three people in my circle have done that, think of nation wide results.


Also Michael Moore, who was right in 2016 (predicted a Trump win) is saying “whatever polls you hear about Biden, cut them in half. Trump’s base is off the charts! For Joe, not so much.”

[Evang.Benincasa]

I know three people who have never voted in their lives. They registered to vote for Trump.
If three people in my circle have done that, think of nation wide results.


Also Michael Moore, who was right in 2016 (predicted a Trump win) is saying “whatever polls you hear about Biden, cut them in half. Trump’s base is off the charts! For Joe, not so much.”

Our Future President!!!!!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/7846f0e896db4ec3ab2aa35e71b8f0c4/tumblr_inline_my0zyxO4bI1qewv88.gif

[diakonos]

Our Future President!!!!!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/7846f0e896db4ec3ab2aa35e71b8f0c4/tumblr_inline_my0zyxO4bI1qewv88.gif

Is that the creepy old man from the Poltergeist movies?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Is that the creepy old man from the Poltergeist movies?

Yes, and now he is going to be the president.

Remember what he use to say at the screen door?

[Pressing-On]

Our Future President!!!!!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/7846f0e896db4ec3ab2aa35e71b8f0c4/tumblr_inline_my0zyxO4bI1qewv88.gif


There is something that Trump never did at any time that Democratic governors did during COVID - He didn’t violate Americans Constitutional rights. He didn’t use the Federal Government to control everyone’s lives.

The media and Left, but I repeat myself, have claimed for years that he was only interested in seizing power. That doesn’t seem to have materialized.

He has not launched any wars and he has kept his campaign promises.

So while you are acting silly with your images, think about that.

[Evang.Benincasa]

There is something that Trump never did at any time that Democratic governors did during COVID - He didn’t violate Americans Constitutional rights. He didn’t use the Federal Government to control everyone’s lives.

The media and Left, but I repeat myself, have claimed for years that he was only interested in seizing power. That doesn’t seem to have materialized.

He has not launched any wars and he has kept his campaign promises.

So while you are acting silly with your images, think about that.

Don't worry we can all reminisce about all that during the Uncle Joe and Aunty Kamala's reign. I'll have a whole lot of more silly images.

How long do you think Uncle Joe will hold on during his four years in office?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/iibhIgxCOigA3pqo4F/giphy.gif

[Strait&Narrow]

Trump for sure. It didn't look like he would win last time but he still won, and while it looks even worse this time, I still believe it is God's will for Trump to win again.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Trump for sure. It didn't look like he would win last time but he still won, and while it looks even worse this time, I still believe it is God's will for Trump to win again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZ3RqSGLbk&ab_channel=EncounterToday

[Amanah]

shocking perspective from Richard J Foster:

Facebook post
Richard J. Foster
8m ·
Please join Richard and many other pro-life Evangelicals in voting for Biden.
"AS PRO-LIFE EVANGELICALS, WE DISAGREE WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. BUT WE BELIEVE A BIBLICALLY SHAPED COMMITMENT TO THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE COMPELS US TO A CONSISTENT ETHIC OF LIFE THAT AFFIRMS THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE FROM BEGINNING TO END.

Many things that good political decisions could change destroy persons created in the image of God and violate the sanctity of human life. Poverty kills millions every year. So does lack of healthcare and smoking. Racism kills. Unless we quickly make major changes, devastating climate change will kill tens of millions. Poverty, lack of accessible health care services, smoking, racism and climate change are all pro-life issues. As the National Association of Evangelicals’ official public policy document (FOR THE HEALTH OF THE NATION) insists, “Faithful evangelical civic engagement and witness must champion a biblically balanced agenda.“ Therefore we oppose “one issue” political thinking because it lacks biblical balance.

Knowing that the most common reason women give for abortion is the financial difficulty of another child, we appreciate a number of Democratic proposals that would significantly alleviate that financial burden: accessible health services for all citizens, affordable childcare, a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty.

For these reasons, we believe that on balance, Joe Biden’s policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump. Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion, we urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as president."

https://www.prolifeevangelicalsforbiden.com/?fbclid=IwAR2PFghAtZwoXj3u3XB9AQbqsO1V84wYH-1TTlN3SYbu1OREXUrhhbUxZgQ

[Evang.Benincasa]

shocking perspective from Richard J Foster:

Facebook post
Richard J. Foster
8m ·
Please join Richard and many other pro-life Evangelicals in voting for Biden.
"AS PRO-LIFE EVANGELICALS, WE DISAGREE WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. BUT WE BELIEVE A BIBLICALLY SHAPED COMMITMENT TO THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE COMPELS US TO A CONSISTENT ETHIC OF LIFE THAT AFFIRMS THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE FROM BEGINNING TO END.

Many things that good political decisions could change destroy persons created in the image of God and violate the sanctity of human life. Poverty kills millions every year. So does lack of healthcare and smoking. Racism kills. Unless we quickly make major changes, devastating climate change will kill tens of millions. Poverty, lack of accessible health care services, smoking, racism and climate change are all pro-life issues. As the National Association of Evangelicals’ official public policy document (FOR THE HEALTH OF THE NATION) insists, “Faithful evangelical civic engagement and witness must champion a biblically balanced agenda.“ Therefore we oppose “one issue” political thinking because it lacks biblical balance.

Knowing that the most common reason women give for abortion is the financial difficulty of another child, we appreciate a number of Democratic proposals that would significantly alleviate that financial burden: accessible health services for all citizens, affordable childcare, a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty.

For these reasons, we believe that on balance, Joe Biden’s policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump. Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion, we urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as president."

https://www.prolifeevangelicalsforbiden.com/?fbclid=IwAR2PFghAtZwoXj3u3XB9AQbqsO1V84wYH-1TTlN3SYbu1OREXUrhhbUxZgQ

The United States, gotta love it. :)

[Michael The Disciple]

shocking perspective from Richard J Foster:

Facebook post
Richard J. Foster
8m ·
Please join Richard and many other pro-life Evangelicals in voting for Biden.
"AS PRO-LIFE EVANGELICALS, WE DISAGREE WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. BUT WE BELIEVE A BIBLICALLY SHAPED COMMITMENT TO THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE COMPELS US TO A CONSISTENT ETHIC OF LIFE THAT AFFIRMS THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE FROM BEGINNING TO END.

Many things that good political decisions could change destroy persons created in the image of God and violate the sanctity of human life. Poverty kills millions every year. So does lack of healthcare and smoking. Racism kills. Unless we quickly make major changes, devastating climate change will kill tens of millions. Poverty, lack of accessible health care services, smoking, racism and climate change are all pro-life issues. As the National Association of Evangelicals’ official public policy document (FOR THE HEALTH OF THE NATION) insists, “Faithful evangelical civic engagement and witness must champion a biblically balanced agenda.“ Therefore we oppose “one issue” political thinking because it lacks biblical balance.

Knowing that the most common reason women give for abortion is the financial difficulty of another child, we appreciate a number of Democratic proposals that would significantly alleviate that financial burden: accessible health services for all citizens, affordable childcare, a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty.

For these reasons, we believe that on balance, Joe Biden’s policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump. Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion, we urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as president."

https://www.prolifeevangelicalsforbiden.com/?fbclid=IwAR2PFghAtZwoXj3u3XB9AQbqsO1V84wYH-1TTlN3SYbu1OREXUrhhbUxZgQ

Never heard of Richard Foster. He needs to see what God says about SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD.

If we can get that right there may be mercy in judgment. 60 million is a lot of innocent blood.

Mercy Lord!

[Michael The Disciple]

John Piper has also come out for Joe Biden. They think COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM is going to help the economy?

Think N. Korea, Cuba, Venezuala.....

What about the treatment of believers in Christ? People who are supposed to be Christians wanting persecution and tyranny?

[Originalist]

I hate to change my original prediction for fear of messing up the jinx.

[Evang.Benincasa]

John Piper has also come out for Joe Biden. They think COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM is going to help the economy?

Think N. Korea, Cuba, Venezuala.....

What about the treatment of believers in Christ? People who are supposed to be Christians wanting persecution and tyranny?

Mike, how long do you want to put it off?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I hate to change my original prediction for fear of messing up the jinx.

What prediction?

[Originalist]

What prediction?

I predicted on here a few weeks ago that Trump would not be able to overcome the voter fraud and would lose.

One thing working Trump's favor is that the Dems are incompetent, delusional, and actually believe their own propaganda.

[Scott Pitta]

Richard Foster penned the classic "Celebration of Discipline".

[diakonos]

John Piper has also come out for Joe Biden

https://media1.tenor.com/images/8a4a99d3bd67ba8d9a025c36edf4a624/tenor.gif?itemid=6219830

[Amanah]

Richard Foster penned the classic "Celebration of Discipline".

:thumbsup

[Evang.Benincasa]

I predicted on here a few weeks ago that Trump would not be able to overcome the voter fraud and would lose.

One thing working Trump's favor is that the Dems are incompetent, delusional, and actually believe their own propaganda.

Here in Fort Lauderdale Biden is all over the place. We have to keep in mind that people are absolutely insane. Civil wars don’t happen because everyone is lock step. They happen because people are at each other’s throat. You and I can easily see that Biden is incapable of leading a spelling B, let alone the office of the POTUS. Kamala Harris is a train wreck. You and I can see that. Also everyone can see that as well including their voters. Only difference is, that they just want Trump out. They have been primed for it ever since Trump started running for POTUS. But, the POTUS isn’t elected, he is selected by God. It all depends on what direction the people are going. WWII this country escaped the destruction of war. We sailed into the 50s looking pretty good. The people were for the most part decent dad, mom, big brother, and little sis, clean conservatives going to church America. Yet, we got spoiled quick. By the 60s we wanted to change clean conservative Jesus in, for the dirty feet Hippy Jesus. Charlie Manson with his commentary on the Book of Revelation and the Beatles’ White Album. We started to circle the drain. The 70s brought us the super preachers on television. Jimmy Swaggart as you well know was a headliner deluxe. He got too big for his breeches and ended up in a motel with a blonde... or was it a brunette? Who knows, anyway scandles went from bad to worse. The morals of the country with her go to church on Sunday family was burning down. The 80s and 90s made way for the homosexual revolution to hit full swing. All the way to today. The corruption is rampant, the government is beyond broken. Christianity is in pretty bad shape, and it’s adherents aren’t looking to hang around and fix anything. Just get out and let everything get Left Behind. The ruling powers know all this, and are busying robbing what’s left of the bed spreads, curtain rods, and silverware.

Both parties are smoked. But, we the people on both sides want to keep believing that if we get the right man we will have a brighter day???? Not happening, unless we as a country believe that Jesus will turn it around for us. Joe Biden? Kamala Harris? Donald Trump? This isn’t a battle between good and evil. Both sides are evil. Only the Apostolic Pentecostal church through the power of the Holy Ghost can get us out of this mess. God chooses who He wants over us. Whether we like it or not. We get the leadership we so very much deserve as a people. Right now we have to grab the horns of the altar and pray. Pray that we make it through. That Jesus hears our cries and has mercy on us to be a Christ honoring country.

[Amanah]

Sid Roth's guest wearing red wig and with a menorah prophesies Trump win and antichrist Democrat party to submerge under and reemerge later

https://youtu.be/HIKOXyxlhag

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sid Roth's guest wearing red wig and with a menorah prophesies Trump win and antichrist Democrat party to submerge under and reemerge later

https://youtu.be/HIKOXyxlhag

What a freak show.

Churchanity is hemorrhaging.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Red October and Hunter Biden?

Wow

[Evang.Benincasa]

I thought Red October was the hair dye the guy used. :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

God is very specific about it? Red October? Yep, that was as clear as mud.

[Amanah]

Voting for Hillary caused CV19!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Voting for Hillary caused CV19!

Sid Roth says he has been walking with Jesus for 50 years? I think old Sid needs to find out who he is really walking with. This country has really lost there ever loving minds. I'm not surprised mind you, when I see such a banged up team like Robin and Robin. God told him there would be an earthquake? There are earthquakes every day it is part of how the planet is put together. That's like God telling someone we are going to have a record breaking hurricane season in the Gulf. Guess what? These are strong possibilities which doesn't take God sending an angel to warn you of them

[Evang.Benincasa]

Amy Coney Barrett is Deborah?

That's not a good thing :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Israel is a time clock? Which Israel?

[Amanah]

Black pigeon explains why it does not matter who wins, it's all just theater to keep us distracted

https://youtu.be/6BckegzexsI

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sid Roth, Reverend Henry Kane, and Joe Biden are all the same person.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Black pigeon explains why it does not matter who wins, it's all just theater to keep us distracted

https://youtu.be/6BckegzexsI

That is what Esaias and myself have been saying on this forum.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bipartisan-bill-proposed-to-give-israel-veto-on-us-arms-sales-to-middle-east/

The bill “would require the President to consult with the Israeli government to ensure [qualitative military edge] concerns are settled”

[Evang.Benincasa]

Israel the 51st State?

[Evang.Benincasa]

My speculation is that Trump wins. The Democomms contest with all their might.


Don’t you believe that Mystery Babylon is the United States?


Yes but Im not sure we are that deep into the end time.



With that being said why are Democrats "Democomms?" wouldn't both groups be Satanic? Also what do you mean you are not sure we aren't that deep into the endtime? Will that be the indicators for you, your wife, and the two dogs to leave the United States? Since we are to come out of her my people? Leaving Mystery Babylon is a prerequisite of NOT sharing in her plagues. So what is your plan?

Mike?

What's the plan?

[Amanah]

Sid Roth, Reverend Henry Kane, and Joe Biden are all the same person.

Hilarious:heeheehee

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6564&stc=1&d=1604112082

[Esaias]

Given that Trump holds rallies with 10's of 1,000's of people - while Biden can't muster 50 people, if even that - something tells me that it will be [you].

Of course it will be [you]. I got an email from brother Baxter unlocking the gematria, came with 20 full colour flip charts (in pdf). :happydance

[Esaias]

He has not launched any wars and he has kept his campaign promises.



Oh, so Hillary is in jail, we got a 4,000 mile wall, and Mexico paid for it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Of course it will be [you]. I got an email from brother Baxter unlocking the gematria, came with 20 full colour flip charts (in pdf). :happydance

I thought it was going to be felt board Gematria.

[Jito463]

A Republican campaign worker is illegally helping elderly people vote Democrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAhTVMikqgU

[Evang.Benincasa]

A Republican campaign worker is illegally helping elderly people vote Democrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAhTVMikqgU

Well, it's been happening a long time in this country. That's why there is a law against it. :nod

[Scott Pitta]

President Pitta has a certain ring to it.

But I avoid the limelight whenever possible.

Esaias, I do appreciate your humor :)

[Pressing-On]

Oh, so Hillary is in jail, we got a 4,000 mile wall, and Mexico paid for it?

Putting Hilary in jail was a talking point, as most know, it wasn’t a campaign promise.

Most people know the legal entanglements being fought to get it all built, i.e., environmentalists, etc.

And Mexico is providing a barrier, their troops, while we build. After being threatened with tariffs, they thought they had better step up. They have been stopping the caravans that the last Administration allowed to pour in. That is contributing something. The Administration is looking into a toll and taxes on remittances. As long as it is built, most Americans don’t care who pays.

All of your points are only good for small political theatre among all the other things he has promised and accomplished.

[Esaias]

Putting Hilary in jail was a talking point, as most know, it wasn’t a campaign promise.

Most people know the legal entanglements being fought to get it all built, i.e., environmentalists, etc.

And Mexico is providing a barrier, their troops, while we build. After being threatened with tariffs, they thought they had better step up. They have been stopping the caravans that the last Administration allowed to pour in. That is contributing something. The Administration is looking into a toll and taxes on remittances. As long as it is built, most Americans don’t care who pays.

All of your points are only good for small political theatre among all the other things he has promised and accomplished.

Where is the dated list of his campaign promises?

He campaigned on the platform of draining the swamp, did he not?

Well? Has the swamp been drained at all?

He's had opposition? Had a tough time getting anything done? Who has been running government? Haven't the Republicans been in the ascendancy? Yet he can't get anything done?

The DOJ running a literal coup against the POTUS, and he's helpless? No, the head of the Executive branch can't fire a single person. He sure can tweet, though! Hey, did antifa get officially listed as a domestic terror group yet? How about all them foreign guest workers? NAFTA II-ON-STEROIDS?

He's either totally incompetent and useless, or he's in on the scam.

The levels of cope are astounding, rivaling the Obummerbot levels during the previous administration.

As long as the nation continues putting their hopes in corrupt men, instead of Almighty God, the nation will continue to experience the Divine Judgments. And putting our hope in God doesn't mean pious lip service to Christ while voting Republican. It means a Nehemiah 9 repentance.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where is the dated list of his campaign promises?

He campaigned on the platform of draining the swamp, did he not?

Well? Has the swamp been drained at all?

He's had opposition? Had a tough time getting anything done? Who has been running government? Haven't the Republicans been in the ascendancy? Yet he can't get anything done?

The DOJ running a literal coup against the POTUS, and he's helpless? No, the head of the Executive branch can't fire a single person. He sure can tweet, though! Hey, did antifa get officially listed as a domestic terror group yet? How about all them foreign guest workers? NAFTA II-ON-STEROIDS?

He's either totally incompetent and useless, or he's in on the scam.

The levels of cope are astounding, rivaling the Obummerbot levels during the previous administration.

As long as the nation continues putting their hopes in corrupt men, instead of Almighty God, the nation will continue to experience the Divine Judgments. And putting our hope in God doesn't mean pious lip service to Christ while voting Republican. It means a Nehemiah 9 repentance.

Methinks there is much reason in his sayings. :thumbsup

[Michael The Disciple]

With that being said why are Democrats "Democomms?" wouldn't both groups be Satanic?

In the sense unsaved Repubs are lost they are of satan. In the sense of party platform or direction not necessarily. Democrats are pro child sacrifice and pro sodom AS A PARTY.

Also what do you mean you are not sure we aren't that deep into the endtime?

Simply that perhaps the transformation of America INTO Mystery Babylon may not be completed.

Will that be the indicators for you, your wife, and the two dogs to leave the United States? Since we are to come out of her my people? Leaving Mystery Babylon is a prerequisite of NOT sharing in her plagues.

First off Gods people not need to geograhically come out of anywhere to have his seal of protection. They do need to spiritually come out of her which I believe we have done.

Think Goshen in Egypt.

If it becomes his will to geographically leave for his purposes he has ways. The Jews were to leave Egypt in due time. But they didnt go anywhere until Moses came and led them.

There will be ministries in the end time that can lead the way if and when God gives the word.

As to indicators that we are actually at the edge of the great tribulation of 42 months I would be looking for the 2 witnesses to appear. A 10 nation alliance in the earth that allies with the man of sin. A great move of the Spirit and then a falling away. Building of a temple in Jerusalem. Mass martyrdom in America.

When I see one or a combination of these things occur I will think we are almost there.

[Pressing-On]

Where is the dated list of his campaign promises? I am sitting here looking at the list. You know why I am not going to post it? Because you don’t really care and would prefer your cynical posts.

He campaigned on the platform of draining the swamp, did he not?

Well? Has the swamp been drained at all?

Did you think the entrenchment could be drained in one term. He got rid of a lot of players in the Republican Party. Try the Lincoln Project. A lot are hanging out there.

He's had opposition? Had a tough time getting anything done? Who has been running government? Haven't the Republicans been in the ascendancy? Yet he can't get anything done?

The DOJ running a literal coup against the POTUS, and he's helpless? No, the head of the Executive branch can't fire a single person. He sure can tweet, though! Hey, did antifa get officially listed as a domestic terror group yet? How about all them foreign guest workers? NAFTA II-ON-STEROIDS?

He's either totally incompetent and useless, or he's in on the scam.

The levels of cope are astounding, rivaling the Obummerbot levels during the previous administration.

As long as the nation continues putting their hopes in corrupt men, instead of Almighty God, the nation will continue to experience the Divine Judgments. And putting our hope in God doesn't mean pious lip service to Christ while voting Republican. It means a Nehemiah 9 repentance.

People who pray for their leaders also think that it is imperative to vote. That doesn’t mean they trust man over God. They just feel that being cynical solves nothing and doesn’t exude the faith the cynic believes he has.

[Esaias]

cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope

Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan. WWG1WGA.
Make Israel Great Again.

[Esaias]

Simply that perhaps the transformation of America INTO Mystery Babylon may not be completed.

Where does the Bible say a country gets "transformed into Mystery Babylon"?



First off Gods people not need to geograhically come out of anywhere to have his seal of protection. They do need to spiritually come out of her which I believe we have done.

So then wouldn't that mean Mystery Babylon is NOT a country but a spiritual system? So then Mystery Babylon is NOT "the USA" but something else, non physical, non tangible?



If it becomes his will to geographically leave for his purposes he has ways. The Jews were to leave Egypt in due time. But they didnt go anywhere until Moses came and led them.

So if some preacher shows up doing signs and wonders and tells you to move out west with him to his farm in Kansas, you'll be at the front of the bus?

There will be ministries in the end time that can lead the way if and when God gives the word.

What would that look like? Will it be on Youtube? Or TBN? Or word of mouth?

As to indicators that we are actually at the edge of the great tribulation of 42 months I would be looking for the 2 witnesses to appear. A 10 nation alliance in the earth that allies with the man of sin. A great move of the Spirit and then a falling away. Building of a temple in Jerusalem. Mass martyrdom in America.

When I see one or a combination of these things occur I will think we are almost there.

So then you have no idea if we are any closer than the folks in AD 500 were?

[Evang.Benincasa]

In the sense unsaved Repubs are lost they are of satan. In the sense of party platform or direction not necessarily. Democrats are pro child sacrifice and pro sodom AS A PARTY.

Republicans and Democrats both support Roe Vs Wade.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/08/29/u-s-public-continues-to-favor-legal-abortion-oppose-overturning-roe-v-wade/

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/09/18/republicans-supreme-court-abortion-overturn-roe-v-wade-pro-life-catholic-trump

What I find pretty disappointing is that most Christians can't accept that politics are filled with liars. Unsaved Republicans? What is a saved Republican? Can you name all the saved Republican senators, governors, mayors, city officials



Simply that perhaps the transformation of America INTO Mystery Babylon may not be completed.

Mystery Babylon in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth. When did the United States do this? What Old Testament prophet was killed in the United States? What Martyr of Jesus was killed in the United States? When speaking to the Pharisees didn't Jesus tell them, "upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

But, I'm will to understand what you actually believe, so please tell me if the United States hasn't turned into the Mother of All Whores, who exactly will she be committing whoredom with? Remember she also makes the comment in Revelation 18:7 that she sits and queen and is no widow. Mike, who is she in covenant with? Must be a king, because she believes herself to be not just a queen, but one that is married. Who is this adulterous whore, committing adultery AGAINST?




First off Gods people not need to geograhically come out of anywhere to have his seal of protection. They do need to spiritually come out of her which I believe we have done.

Mike, Revelation 2,000 years ago gave a strict command. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE! The reasons are given to not share in her sins. It is a prohibition, like touch not the unclean thing. For the Roman Catholic Mystery Babylon folks, they take it as not a hide within the Catholic Church. But a warning that one must leave the Catholic Church because it's Mystery Babylon. The Revelation says you need to vamoose, due to a warning of her sudden destruction will happening suddenly. So, you no having your little YouTube channel, and you holding court over on Paltalk, due to swift destruction at any moment. But, please, tell me what is the indicator in Revelation 18:7 that it is an order to spiritually come out? Since the writer of Revelation 18:7 is repeating the words of the Prophet Jeremiah, where do we see it being spiritually in Jeremiah 51:45


Think Goshen in Egypt.

While that sounds good in a sermon, it isn't what is happening in Revelation.


If it becomes his will to geographically leave for his purposes he has ways.

Mike, of course he has His way. But it seems what you are implying it isn't found within the verses of the New Testament?


The Jews were to leave Egypt in due time. But they didnt go anywhere until Moses came and led them.

Ok, who will be this Moses who will lead you, your wife, and the rest of the Christians out of the United States?



There will be ministries in the end time that can lead the way if and when God gives the word.

I see, so it isn't a Moses, or a Jesus, but it is "ministries" plural. Ok, how will one know who these "ministries" are? Also you injected a very interesting word into your explanation. IF. This would lead me to believe that the above may not happen, or you aren't thoroughly convinced if it will ever happen? Instead of me guessing could you explain this? Still the Revelation warns its readers to vacate, or else they will be involved in the sins of the whore.



As to indicators that we are actually at the edge of the great tribulation of 42 months I would be looking for the 2 witnesses to appear.

Will they be in the United States or Jerusalem? Will they physically spew fire from their mouths and kill people?


A 10 nation alliance in the earth that allies with the man of sin.

So, if this never happens in your lifetime then what?


A great move of the Spirit and then a falling away.

Great move of the Spirit? Then an Apostasy? Didn't that already happen? I mean Paul and the crew were the ones who had the original truth. Fresh, baked bread from Jesus Himself. They understood it pretty plain, it was during their time, their events, their culture, their language. No need to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin. No Strong's or some preacher butchering the Greek from the pulpit. They were the first audience. They are THE TRUTH. If an apostacy happened it would of needed to happen to the original unperverted truth? Makes sense right? I mean not 2,000 years down the line where the apostacy morphed into about 50,5609 version of the original apostasy. But please, please explain the GREAT OUTPOURING and the GREAT APOSTASY in our far off future.



Building of a temple in Jerusalem.

MIKE!!! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HAPPY THIS MAKES ME. Who will build this temple? There isn't a lineage of the Zadokite priesthood anywhere on the planet? Ezra 2:59-62, plainly says that if they can not show DOCUMENTATION of their GENEALOGY they are to be put from the priesthood as polluted. If God is going to bypass His Holy Scripture so a temple in the far off future can be constructed, then what verses do you use that God will have a High Priest with the Urim and Thummim appear 2,000 years after the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ?



Mass martyrdom in America.

Hmm, who will be martyrdered?



When I see one or a combination of these things occur I will think we are almost there.

I see, maybe you can help all of us to see these things. Looking forward to your explanations. :)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where does the Bible say a country gets "transformed into Mystery Babylon"?





So then wouldn't that mean Mystery Babylon is NOT a country but a spiritual system? So then Mystery Babylon is NOT "the USA" but something else, non physical, non tangible?





So if some preacher shows up doing signs and wonders and tells you to move out west with him to his farm in Kansas, you'll be at the front of the bus?



What would that look like? Will it be on Youtube? Or TBN? Or word of mouth?



So then you have no idea if we are any closer than the folks in AD 500 were?

Wow, this could of saved me from a whole lot of typing. :kickcan

[Evang.Benincasa]

I am sitting here looking at the list. You know why I am not going to post it? Because you don’t really care and would prefer your cynical posts.

Please post the list.



Did you think the entrenchment could be drained in one term. He got rid of a lot of players in the Republican Party. Try the Lincoln Project. A lot are hanging out there.

Honestly, he made a lot of people believe just that. Don't you agree?



People who pray for their leaders also think that it is imperative to vote. That doesn’t mean they trust man over God. They just feel that being cynical solves nothing and doesn’t exude the faith the cynic believes he has.

Who is being cynical? Brother Esaias is far from cynical, but just being honestly real in that he sees a system morally corrupt, broken beyond repair. The verse which tells us to pray for our leaders didn't have voting. In the region of Judea during the time of Christ and then Paul. Your governors were appointed by Rome. They lived under occupation, and while you might be able to bring your grievances before a synagogue Beit Din, all other matters were pretty much out of your hands. Even during the time when the KJV was compiled. In England you didn't get to vote, and if you were poor, or a woman you had no say. Even in America the poor, minorities, the illiterate, and women couldn't vote. Prayer unto God had to be made by these huddled masses to receive peace from dictatorships. Brother Esaias and myself are just stating the obvious, the system is broken. We only get a choice between death by gunshot or death by starvation. Just a choice who will kill you quicker. The Democrats or the Republicans. Donald trump is just a devil who is wearing the dress you like. he was supposed to drain the swamp, but now we are told "was he supposed to do that in one term?" Ah YES! Because he isn't a king, and he only has four years if he isn't elected for a second term. So, YES, if you are going to bust some heads, get it going but skippy. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, are super bad. But they are super bad for a reason. So instead of two choices Joe and Don, Joe leaves you with nothing. Don already been tweeting for four years, and well, let's just keep what we got. Then when the four years are over. Then what? Jared Kushner? Ivanka Trump? Mike Pence? Time proves all things, I just see things are so banged up, and nothing is really going to get better.

Jesus is our president, and He is our ONLY hope for a brighter day.

Convert the United States through the power of the Holy Ghost and then let's see what happens.

[Pressing-On]

Please post the list.
You are reminding me of a ladies meeting I attended. The speaker spoke about fear and had pages of scriptural notes that she had studied. She said that she thought about making copies and handing them out, but decided against it as it was our own personal responsibility to study it ourselves.




Honestly, he made a lot of people believe just that. Don't you agree?

Only someone who doesn’t understand how our government works would believe in could happen in 4 years. Think about how many years it takes a new pastor to turn a church around after a church split.

I am happy he got rid of Jeff Flake, et al.



Who is being cynical? Brother Esaias is far from cynical, but just being honestly real in that he sees a system morally corrupt, broken beyond repair. The verse which tells us to pray for our leaders didn't have voting. In the region of Judea during the time of Christ and then Paul. Your governors were appointed by Rome. They lived under occupation, and while you might be able to bring your grievances before a synagogue Beit Din, all other matters were pretty much out of your hands. Even during the time when the KJV was compiled. In England you didn't get to vote, and if you were poor, or a woman you had no say. Even in America the poor, minorities, the illiterate, and women couldn't vote. Prayer unto God had to be made by these huddled masses to receive peace from dictatorships. Brother Esaias and myself are just stating the obvious, the system is broken. We only get a choice between death by gunshot or death by starvation. Just a choice who will kill you quicker. The Democrats or the Republicans. Donald trump is just a devil who is wearing the dress you like. he was supposed to drain the swamp, but now we are told "was he supposed to do that in one term?" Ah YES! Because he isn't a king, and he only has four years if he isn't elected for a second term. So, YES, if you are going to bust some heads, get it going but skippy. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, are super bad. But they are super bad for a reason. So instead of two choices Joe and Don, Joe leaves you with nothing. Don already been tweeting for four years, and well, let's just keep what we got. Then when the four years are over. Then what? Jared Kushner? Ivanka Trump? Mike Pence? Time proves all things, I just see things are so banged up, and nothing is really going to get better.

Jesus is our president, and He is our ONLY hope for a brighter day.

Convert the United States through the power of the Holy Ghost and then let's see what happens.

And yet, Paul appealed to Rome, knowing he had a God and a government.

I don’t understand why you two guys believe that anyone voting or supporting their candidate thinks that the person is above God. And I don’t understand how you two guys believe that people supporting their candidate have somehow put the Gospel message in a box in the meanwhile. That makes no logical sense.

Brother Bernard, my pastor and others encourage us to vote, do you believe they don’t believe and preach the gospel? Do you believe they suspend disciplining people because they vote?

[shag]

1 Tim. 1-2
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.



I need to do much better at this.

[Evang.Benincasa]

You are reminding me of a ladies meeting I attended. The speaker spoke about fear and had pages of scriptural notes that she had studied. She said that she thought about making copies and handing them out, but decided against it as it was our own personal responsibility to study it ourselves.

What a lazy excuse. Where did you get that from teacher? Go look it up yourself! Thanks. :heeheehee





Only someone who doesn’t understand how our government works would believe in could happen in 4 years. Think about how many years it takes a new pastor to turn a church around after a church split.

I am happy he got rid of Jeff Flake, et al.

But we weren't told that. We were told that he was going to go around taking names, and busting heads. He would drain the swamp. We weren't told it would never happen the first four years, and if he was fortunate enough to get another four he could finish job. So tell me PO, if he doesn't get it done in the next four years and we get another Swamp Monster in 2025, what will be your excuse then? Also the analogy of a new pastor turning things around could be longer than 8 years. Do you know how a BROKEN GOVERNMENT WORKS!!!! Do you understand the meaning of Drain the Swamp? Do you know that the Donald wasn't the first to use that term? Have you ever visited D.C.? Niccolo Machiavelli would not be proud of you. :lol





And yet, Paul appealed to Rome, knowing he had a God and a government.

Did Paul vote Nero into office of the Emperor? Where is the post where Esaias or myself ever said there should be no system of laws? Paul was a free BORN Roman citizen. Here, I'll do what your lazy teacher did, go look up Roman FREEBORN citizen rights, and get back to me.


I don’t understand why you two guys believe that anyone voting or supporting their candidate thinks that the person is above God.

Where did either of us make the above comment?


And I don’t understand how you two guys believe that people supporting their candidate have somehow put the Gospel message in a box in the meanwhile.

Where did either of us say that?



That makes no logical sense.

Well, that's where in a forum discussion we then ask for clarification of our statements.


Brother Bernard,

I guess General Supe doesn't have term limits? How long has Brother David Bernard been General Superintendent? Since 2009? I don't know him, I know of him, I don't know him. Whether or not he encourages or discourages people to vote, tells you how to vote, or tells you not how to vote, means nothing to our conversation. Does Brother Bernard tell the 3 million people in the UPCI how to vote?



my pastor [/qute]

Emphasis on your pastor. I don't know your pastor, I don't know what he believes outside of assuming he believes what the United Pentecostal Church International believes. But while he encourages you to vote, he doesn't tell you who to vote for or how to vote? The pulpit isn't really a place to campaign for a seat in government. We preach the Word to salvation, not what government official is going to make the world a brighter place. You might be in the world, but you are not of the world.

[QUOTE=Pressing-On;1595121]
and others encourage us to vote, do you believe they don’t believe and preach the gospel? Do you believe they suspend disciplining people because they vote?

I'm sorry sis, but I don't know where you are going with the above thoughts.
Maybe you could clarify?

[Esaias]

My doubts about the efficacy of modern voting are based entirely on three things:

1. The actual system in place is provably fake and ineffective due to secret unverifiable balloting and the use of black box voting machines and the control exercised by political hacks over counting and announcing the results.

2. The usefulness of a general population steeped in sin and rebellion to be able to elect decent government or even produce decent candidates.

3. The hand of God upon a nation that collectively thumbs its nose at Him repeatedly.

All three conditions incline me to believe "voting" by the general public is an exercise in futility. Not to mention it doesn't select the POTUS anyway, legally (Electoral College, anyone?).

[Esaias]

Only someone who doesn’t understand how our government works would believe in could happen in 4 years. Think about how many years it takes a new pastor to turn a church around after a church split.

How long does it take a new boss to fire old management and bring his own team in? Only someone who doesn't understand how organizations and leadership work would believe it couldn't happen in 4 years.

Speaking of which, why are all Trump's team appointments basically swamp creatures?


I don’t understand why you two guys believe that anyone voting or supporting their candidate thinks that the person is above God.

Who said that?

And I don’t understand how you two guys believe that people supporting their candidate have somehow put the Gospel message in a box in the meanwhile. That makes no logical sense.

If a person's efforts to save America and right the ship are focused on voting for a corrupt political machine and a corrupt candidate rather than on promoting national repentance, then they have boxed the Gospel and put it in the closet like xmas ornaments, only to be taken out at special religious occasions like Sunday and funerals. Muh "separation of church and state" like the Baptist Masons like it.

Brother Bernard, my pastor and others encourage us to vote, do you believe they don’t believe and preach the gospel?

If they don't preach that Jesus Christ is our Lawgiver, Judge, and King, and that all persons including civil servants must live in accordance with every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, and that all persons including civil servants must obey the Holy Bible in all areas of life (including in the exercise of their public office), then they are not preaching the Gospel, likely due to not believing it or even knowing what it is.

Do you believe they suspend disciplining people because they vote?

No idea what you are asking here.

[Pressing-On]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

[Esaias]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

So you DON'T believe that man is to live by every word of God?

You DON'T believe that Jesus Christ has ALL authority in heaven AND EARTH?

You DON'T believe "the Lord is our Lawgiver, Judge, and King"?

And neither does Bernard?

Is that what you are trying to say?

[Esaias]

I have said it for years: the number one opponents of nationwide revival are people who identify as Christians. The people who are most adamant that God should stay out of public life are the people who call themselves believers in Jesus.

Sad.

No wonder God said "If my people which are called by my name REPENT and HUMBLE THEMSELVES..."

It's the average run of the mill professing Christian who needs to repent more than the atheist, satanist, talmudist, muslim, liberal, communist, or whatever other "-ist" people want to blame their problems on.

[Evang.Benincasa]

My doubts about the efficacy of modern voting are based entirely on three things:

1. The actual system in place is provably fake and ineffective due to secret unverifiable balloting and the use of black box voting machines and the control exercised by political hacks over counting and announcing the results.

2. The usefulness of a general population steeped in sin and rebellion to be able to elect decent government or even produce decent candidates.

3. The hand of God upon a nation that collectively thumbs its nose at Him repeatedly.

All three conditions incline me to believe "voting" by the general public is an exercise in futility. Not to mention it doesn't select the POTUS anyway, legally (Electoral College, anyone?).

Please I'm asking everyone to ponder what is being said in this post. Where are we at as a Christian people, and citizens of the United States. These are very factual things which are currently taking place. I live in the most famous county when it comes to voter corruption BROWARD COUNTY FLORIDA.
(https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-voter-id-fraud-broward-florida-20201030-rfwqzhgfq5fypl4632dspgla7i-story.html) Al Gore, G Dub Bush, and the hanging chads to just this Friday and people trying to register dead people to vote. The system is BROKEN!!!! Hello, hello, broken system, broken courts, corrupt garbage politicians at the State, and local levels. Then I am given a choice between bad and worse. Joe Walking Dead Biden, Kamala Laughing Hysterically Dimwit, and the Donald who as I was growing up in New York I had zero respect for the guy. When a guy cheats on his wife he is cheating on his kids. When the Donald cheated on his wife with Marla Maples, his children were little. Come on already. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. We are deluded to think that this is a battle against good and evil. God puts leaders up and takes leaders down. Like Esaias posted, God is our KIng our leader, our laws are in the Bible. We are to follow Him and bow before no other.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have said it for years: the number one opponents of nationwide revival are people who identify as Christians. The people who are most adamant that God should stay out of public life are the people who call themselves believers in Jesus.

Sad.

No wonder God said "If my people which are called by my name REPENT and HUMBLE THEMSELVES..."

It's the average run of the mill professing Christian who needs to repent more than the atheist, satanist, talmudist, muslim, liberal, communist, or whatever other "-ist" people want to blame their problems on.

They're opponents of revival because they don't believe God can convert an entire nation. They believe everything is about to get wrapped up so why bother. But then you would think everyone who thought like that would be pushing double time to convert souls.

[jediwill83]

I have said it for years: the number one opponents of nationwide revival are people who identify as Christians. The people who are most adamant that God should stay out of public life are the people who call themselves believers in Jesus.

Sad.

No wonder God said "If my people which are called by my name REPENT and HUMBLE THEMSELVES..."

It's the average run of the mill professing Christian who needs to repent more than the atheist, satanist, talmudist, muslim, liberal, communist, or whatever other "-ist" people want to blame their problems on.


Theres a reason that judgement begins at the house of God...that judgement is to bring repentence and that turning from wicked ways by GODS people brings healing and restoration. But as long as we preen in our self righteousness and blame the heathens for our troubles we will never find the healing to this land that He wants to bring. We are to grab that censor from the altar and repent and intercede.


If we could vote our way to peace and prosperity, what use would we have of God?


We talk about we need to be a nation of "law and order" and we cant even get 10 right even when they can be condensed into just two.


More government and their laws and order wont bring deliverance...more Jesus will.


It is only when God reigns on the throne of the hearts of men and women that we will stop sowing the seeds of our own downfall.

[Tithesmeister]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

That is a very good message.

[Jito463]

I live in the most famous county when it comes to voter corruption BROWARD COUNTY FLORIDA.
(https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-voter-id-fraud-broward-florida-20201030-rfwqzhgfq5fypl4632dspgla7i-story.html) Al Gore, G Dub Bush, and the hanging chads to just this Friday and people trying to register dead people to vote. The system is BROKEN!!!!

So, why don't you work to fix it? Do you not believe that you have the power, through God, to call those people breaking the system to repentance? You and Esaias make a big hubbub how those in government need to repent and serve the Lord, but what have you done to bring them to an altar?

Instead, you talk about broken systems and how it doesn't matter. That sounds like people who have just given up and refuse to fight. I DON'T DISAGREE that the people who profess ourselves to be Christian, need to DAILY prostrate ourselves before our God. That's what we are called to do. That doesn't preclude us from also going out and doing our CIVIC DUTY.

[diakonos]

So, why don't you work to fix it? Do you not believe that you have the power, through God, to call those people breaking the system to repentance? You and Esaias make a big hubbub how those in government need to repent and serve the Lord, but what have you done to bring them to an altar?

Instead, you talk about broken systems and how it doesn't matter. That sounds like people who have just given up and refuse to fight. I DON'T DISAGREE that the people who profess ourselves to be Christian, need to DAILY prostrate ourselves before our God. That's what we are called to do. That doesn't preclude us from also going out and doing our CIVIC DUTY.
You must he knew here.

Where do people come up with this civic duty nonsense?

[jediwill83]

You must he knew here.

Where do people come up with this civic duty nonsense?
Right up there with the "social contract" and contracts hold both sides to their obligations and if one side breaks the contract the other side is released from their obligation. Tell me, has the government held up its part of the "contract"?

[Esaias]

So, why don't you work to fix it? Do you not believe that you have the power, through God, to call those people breaking the system to repentance? You and Esaias make a big hubbub how those in government need to repent and serve the Lord, but what have you done to bring them to an altar?

Instead, you talk about broken systems and how it doesn't matter. That sounds like people who have just given up and refuse to fight. I DON'T DISAGREE that the people who profess ourselves to be Christian, need to DAILY prostrate ourselves before our God. That's what we are called to do. That doesn't preclude us from also going out and doing our CIVIC DUTY.

I served as GOP precinct committee chairman for 8 years in my precinct. I've been involved in the past with numerous organisations and groups attempting to affect the political condition of my state and country.

What I have learned is that the path to reformation does not lie in attempting to "work within the system" but is found rather in following the Biblical program. I have posted about this before, and even mentioned it in this very thread. The way forward involves a four fold approach:

1: Individual. The individual Christian must themself conform to living the Way God intended, as laid out in the Holy Bible. This means conforming one's life to every Word of God in all areas, including one's finances (which goes way beyond myopic tithe arguments).

2. Family. The Christian must lead their family to follow Christ. The family must be conformed to the Word of God, the family must begin operating according to the principles of the Bible. That goes beyond just one's "nuclear family" but the extended family as well. If one's extended family won't get with God's program, one needs to either build an extended family that will or at least help other families to reach the goal.

3. Community. This both one's church community and one's actual physical neighbours. Everyone you meet is a viable candidate to hear the Word of God on any subject whatsoever that presents itself, or upon which you yourself bring up. As Christian families coalesce into communities that are actually obeying God and functioning as CHRISTIAN communities, the divine program advances.

4. Society. The nation becomes transformed through the conversion of its people. This absolutely requires 1-3 above, and until 1-3 are on track number 4 isn't even in play yet.

All this is spelled out all through Scripture from Genesis to Revelation. Nehemiah and Acts are both windows into how this has been put into action in the past, resulting in what we now call "Western Christian Civilisation". The things written aforetime were written for our EXAMPLES. Western Christian Civilisation has all but totally collapsed into a corrupted communistic globalistic internationalist antichristian "empire". So the task of rebuilding society is great, but it HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE and CAN BE DONE AGAIN.

Each of us has a role to play. What have I personally done?

I have a large family that is serving God and which understand what the goal is and what the methods are. I have a grandbaby on the way, we are slowly but surely building up a small tribe of God fearing Christians who recognise Jesus Christ as our literal Sovereign King, and which is functioning as Biblically as possible (while continuing to learn and apply God's Word more deeply and thoroughly to our lives). We have a plan of action for increasing our impactful "footprint" on society and the neighbouring community. It's a Long Range Plan that spans multiple generations. Rome wasn't built in a day, didn't collapse in a day, and the Kingdom doesn't advance in a single day either.

I interact with other groups of Christian families (and individuals) and try to encourage them to make smart workable decisions that follow the guidelines of the Bible, pointing them to always look to Christ as the source of wisdom and knowledge. I try to show people that the solutions are found in God, not man. And I try to point them to those actual, very real, solutions.

My time on AFF is downtime, for when I'm bored.


Here's the Program in a nutshell:

And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding; They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes; And that we would not give our daughters unto the people of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons: And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt. Also we made ordinances for us, to charge ourselves yearly with the third part of a shekel for the service of the house of our God;
(Neh 10:28-32)

1. They separated themselves to their kinsmen who had likewise separated themselves TO THE LAW OF GOD. Meaning they formed voluntary associations with likeminded believers based on familial relationships, and SEVERED those relationships that were contrary to the goal of reformation and restoration.

2. They intentionally and intelligently committed to a plan of action for their personal and family growth and maintenance. They took charge of where their families were going and what they were doing, unlike the failed strategy of "when the kids reach 18 they are on their own and can do their own thing, hope it's for the best" which is EXACTLY one of the primary root causes of our current national and societal MESS.

3. They were unconcerned with what the godless ones were doing, instead they built their own society from the ground up following God's Word. A truly genuine alternative "counter cultural subversive movement" just like in Acts. When God's people simply get together and LIVE BY THE WORD it inherently begins to turn the world (system) upside down. They committed to managing their finances, their business, their family life, their social interactions etc - EVERYTHING - in accordance with God's Word. THAT was the way forward, not petitioning the heathen to play nice.

Our kids are homeschooled, have been since they were born. Not one of my children have ever been to a public school. They learned to read using the King James Bible, they grew up in a family trying its best to operate in submission to the Word. Whenever family decisions needed to be made the family would gather round and we would open the Word of God and read, study, and pray for guidance. This is how they grew up. Things haven't always been perfect, we have made mistakes and learned lessons along the way. But I can tell you this. They can spot enemy propaganda a mile away, they understand God's Plan and their role in it. They view their life as TRAINING to go forth and LIVE and DO the Word of God. They will NOT become victims of the world's delusions and various "-isms". They've got their eyes on the prize and they know 99 and a half won't do.

And suppose one of them appstasizes and goes worldly and surrenders to the devil's devices? They know two things: 1 Repentance is an option and if taken all is forgiven, and 2 until then the Family moves on, none of us are turning aside to dilly dally with them on the broad way to destruction.

There is so much to learn about how all this actually works out in practice, because for generations we have been kept from that knowledge. It's very practical, it is not just wishful thinking. There are Biblical directions for putting in mechanisms that make all this stuff work. And it does work, even in the face of stubborn free-will rebellion. There's workarounds for that. :)

Here's one of the keys:

But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
(Deu 8:18)

So, what are YOU doing? Voting?

[Esaias]

But the FIRST step is realising that neither Trump nor the GOP nor any man but the Man From Galilee is going to help, that CHRIST is the ONLY MAN with a working Plan. As long as people continue to look to others for solutions, they will continue going in circles.

But it's all good, because the ones going in circles are literally circling the drain and won't be around much longer. Their families are broken, there is no binding continuity between generations. Sure the kids give lip service to the parent's faith, but the parent's faith wasn't good for much anyway, so it's just a matter of time before those families literally die off and are no more. Those building tribe for God with a long range goal and long range plan of action are the future, like it or not.

Harsh, but we live in harsh times.

[Esaias]

Theres a reason that judgement begins at the house of God...that judgement is to bring repentence and that turning from wicked ways by GODS people brings healing and restoration. But as long as we preen in our self righteousness and blame the heathens for our troubles we will never find the healing to this land that He wants to bring. We are to grab that censor from the altar and repent and intercede.


If we could vote our way to peace and prosperity, what use would we have of God?


We talk about we need to be a nation of "law and order" and we cant even get 10 right even when they can be condensed into just two.


More government and their laws and order wont bring deliverance...more Jesus will.


It is only when God reigns on the throne of the hearts of men and women that we will stop sowing the seeds of our own downfall.

:yourock

[Esaias]

You must he knew here.

Where do people come up with this civic duty nonsense?

Our civic duty is to obey God and promote His Kingdom, period.

[Pressing-On]

That is a very good message.

Yes it is. It is very good to be balanced and sensible in this world. Going to one extreme or another is out of balance.

[Pressing-On]

So, why don't you work to fix it? Do you not believe that you have the power, through God, to call those people breaking the system to repentance? You and Esaias make a big hubbub how those in government need to repent and serve the Lord, but what have you done to bring them to an altar?

Instead, you talk about broken systems and how it doesn't matter. That sounds like people who have just given up and refuse to fight. I DON'T DISAGREE that the people who profess ourselves to be Christian, need to DAILY prostrate ourselves before our God. That's what we are called to do. That doesn't preclude us from also going out and doing our CIVIC DUTY.

We do have both a heavenly and an earthly citizenship. So, I understand your point on a civic duty. We have Romans 13:1-7 and I Peter 2:13-25 as a guide toward our earthly citizenship.

[Esaias]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

Just watched his message. Other than his last minute shilling for Zionism and the fact that his approach is about 50 years behind the curve, I don't see where anything he said is substantially different from anything I've been saying for years on this forum (or anywhere else for that matter).

But his hair looks better than mine so there's that. Probably why he's GS and I'm not. :thumbsup

[Scott Pitta]

Civic duty has a place for citizens. Paying taxes and compliance with the law comes to mind. Voting is not required by law, but I feel it is our duty.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Civic duty has a place for citizens. Paying taxes and compliance with the law comes to mind. Voting is not required by law, but I feel it is our duty.

Explain “feel it’s our duty” but in light of the New Testament.

[coksiw]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

I just watched this. David K Bernard is a great teacher, and his contributions to Oneness Pentecostalism has been awesome. His books are amazingly well put together and his historical investigation has been so valuable.

I find this specific preaching very practical yet, very shallow in some areas. One of the biggest threats to religion freedom in this country is the LGTBQ+ agenda on schools, laws, and courts. He shied away from that topic when he was closed to talk about it, like the example with the KKK cake, or the when he mentioned of leaders legally attacking churches.
He also failed to talk about objections to his interpretation of some text he used, as some people object to the face value interpretation to keep justifying and persuading other Christians to take a different direction.

[Evang.Benincasa]

So, why don't you work to fix it? Do you not believe that you have the power, through God, to call those people breaking the system to repentance? You and Esaias make a big hubbub how those in government need to repent and serve the Lord, but what have you done to bring them to an altar?

Instead, you talk about broken systems and how it doesn't matter. That sounds like people who have just given up and refuse to fight. I DON'T DISAGREE that the people who profess ourselves to be Christian, need to DAILY prostrate ourselves before our God. That's what we are called to do. That doesn't preclude us from also going out and doing our CIVIC DUTY.

Yes, I absolutely believe WE have the power. That power is through prayer for the power hungry corrupt vandals who are the ruling powers of this nation. You can’t vote your way out of bondage Moses. There must be a pillar of fire to stop Pharaoh’s chariots, and a pillar of fire to lead the way through the raging sea. Prophets who go around telling people their phone numbers and telling them what they had for breakfast won’t bring forth change. It’s when we join together in focused prayer to turn the hurricane away, to stop the impending doom, to liberate those who are in bondage. We fail at that at times, but we can’t give up. When can’t reach out to steady the ark because we feel that we can stop it from falling off the ox cart.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I just watched this. David K Bernard is a great teacher, and his contributions to Oneness Pentecostalism has been awesome. His books are amazingly well put together and his historical investigation has been so valuable.

I find this specific preaching very practical yet, very shallow in some areas. One of the biggest threats to religion freedom in this country is the LGTBQ+ agenda on schools, laws, and courts. He shied away from that topic when he was closed to talk about it, like the example with the KKK cake, or the when he mentioned of leaders legally attacking churches.


He also failed to talk about objections to his interpretation of some text he used, as some people object to the face value interpretation to keep justifying and persuading other Christians to take a different direction.

Can you explain the last paragraph. Also where in the video does Brother Bernard deal with these issues?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Our civic duty is to obey God and promote His Kingdom, period.

:highfive :thumbsup

[coksiw]

Can you explain the last paragraph.

Some people believe that Romans 13 is not referring to secular gov't but to church gov't. He used that passage to support his points.


Also where in the video does Brother Bernard deal with these issues?


You mean the examples I mentioned? They are there, but man I would have to go thru the entire video to pick the minute he said it.

[Pressing-On]

But his hair looks better than mine so there's that. Probably why he's GS and I'm not. :thumbsup

I am sure it was more than the hair. :D

[Esaias]

Some people believe that Romans 13 is not referring to secular gov't but to church gov't. He used that passage to support his points.

That's like saying if the UPCI General Superintendent referenced John 1:1 he should take the time to address the Space Suit Logos belief.

[Esaias]

I am sure it was more than the hair. :D

The shoes. Definitely.

[coksiw]

That's like saying if the UPCI General Superintendent referenced John 1:1 he should take the time to address the Space Suit Logos belief.

At what point do you start addressing existing objections to your interpretation of a passage?

[Esaias]

At what point do you start addressing existing objections to your interpretation of a passage?

When I know my audience is troubled by conflicting interpretations or has expressed a need to address the particular varieties.

[Evang.Benincasa]

That's like saying if the UPCI General Superintendent referenced John 1:1 he should take the time to address the Space Suit Logos belief.

:yourock

[Evang.Benincasa]

I will stick with this more balanced and reasonable view of the church and politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhRgpDzNjA

I just got to 7:00 to 7:14 and he associates working on your job, and attending a school with sinners the same as being involved in politics. Sometimes I forget that Brother Bernard is a lawyer. I'm not yoking together, or should I say throwing my lot in with sinful behavior on the job or at school. At school the students does their work, and accomplishes tasks. Just like the job. In politics I would be advocating things which I didn't believe in, or agree with. I'm going to keep watching the video, and when I'm done with the 48 minutes I'll comment some more.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUSMjxSB8ro&ab_channel=UnitedPentecostalChurchInternational

[Michael The Disciple]

Where does the Bible say a country gets "transformed into Mystery Babylon"?

The Bible mentions a country which seems to be the most powerful in the entire world in the end time. That country will no more be named "Mystery Babylon" than Israel is named "Sodom and Gommorha". It is a spiritual identification that those living at the time would know who she is.

So then wouldn't that mean Mystery Babylon is NOT a country but a spiritual system? So then Mystery Babylon is NOT "the USA" but something else, non physical, non tangible?

Rev 18 portrays end time Babylon as a physical and tangible entity. One that makes the merchants of the earth rich buy buying their merchandise.

So if some preacher shows up doing signs and wonders and tells you to move out west with him to his farm in Kansas, you'll be at the front of the bus?

If he comes with real signs and wonders along with what I would consider true foundation doctrine I will be at the front of the bus.

What would that look like? Will it be on Youtube? Or TBN? Or word of mouth?

Could be all three. Newspapers? TV?

So then you have no idea if we are any closer than the folks in AD 500 were?

Paul said long ago our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. We are closer but I cant say definitively we are at the very end time. If this is not the end time America may fall and vanish away and some other country may wind up fulfilling the role of MB. I have said that all along.

If those indicators I mentioned earlier happen simultaneously in my lifetime I will believe the coming of Jesus is imminent.

[Michael The Disciple]

Republicans and Democrats both support Roe Vs Wade.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ng-roe-v-wade/

https://www.americamagazine.org/poli...catholic-trump

What I find pretty disappointing is that most Christians can't accept that politics are filled with liars. Unsaved Republicans? What is a saved Republican? Can you name all the saved Republican senators, governors, mayors, city officials

The first link tells us the majority of Repubs oppose abortion. I accept that most politicians if they are not already will eventually turn into liars. What is a saved Republican? A Republican that is saved.

Are any of their leaders saved? I dont know of any but there are leaders among them who are the would be policy makers who oppose what I oppose such as abortion sodom, Islam, ect.

Mystery Babylon in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth. When did the United States do this? What Old Testament prophet was killed in the United States? What Martyr of Jesus was killed in the United States? When speaking to the Pharisees didn't Jesus tell them, "upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

Few have been killed for Christ at the present time. Revelation speaks of the time just before Jesus comes. It is still future.

I realize you believe Jesus Christ already came for the resurrection of the dead and the gathering of his elect and that the new heavens and the new earth are already here so what Im saying is hard for you to accept.

But, I'm will to understand what you actually believe, so please tell me if the United States hasn't turned into the Mother of All Whores, who exactly will she be committing whoredom with? Remember she also makes the comment in Revelation 18:7 that she sits and queen and is no widow. Mike, who is she in covenant with? Must be a king, because she believes herself to be not just a queen, but one that is married. Who is this adulterous whore, committing adultery AGAINST?

She is committing whoredom with the kings of the earth. Rev. 18:3

She is a queen and not a widow can mean she lives in luxury rather than poverty. She boasts therefore she will see no sorrow.

Mike, Revelation 2,000 years ago gave a strict command. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE! The reasons are given to not share in her sins. It is a prohibition, like touch not the unclean thing.

As the righteous are commanded to come out from among the wicked.

2 Cor. 6 14:17
14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

It does not in all cases have to be a literal coming out any more than Pauls command to the saints is literal.

For the Roman Catholic Mystery Babylon folks, they take it as not a hide within the Catholic Church. But a warning that one must leave the Catholic Church because it's Mystery Babylon. The Revelation says you need to vamoose, due to a warning of her sudden destruction will happening suddenly.

So if you think Revelation is already fulfilled how is the RCC relevant to this? Will all Catholics burn up in fire at some point all around the world? The ten kings will simultaneously kill all of them? Rev. 18:8?

But also let us not minimize the power of God to protect his people.

Zephaniah 2:5

3Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Mike, of course he has His way. But it seems what you are implying it isn't found within the verses of the New Testament?

As I would say concerning your idea that the resurrection and coming of Christ occured in 70ad.

Ok, who will be this Moses who will lead you, your wife, and the rest of the Christians out of the United States?

It is not yet revealed to me.

I see, so it isn't a Moses, or a Jesus, but it is "ministries" plural. Ok, how will one know who these "ministries" are? Also you injected a very interesting word into your explanation. IF. This would lead me to believe that the above may not happen, or you aren't thoroughly convinced if it will ever happen? Instead of me guessing could you explain this? Still the Revelation warns its readers to vacate, or else they will be involved in the sins of the whore.

"If" means IF I am alive when the time comes. We will know these ministries like Israel knew Moses. They will be vindicated by signs and wonders as well as of course true doctrine.

There will be a place prepared of God to feed the women in the wilderness when the time comes so whoever is the faithful saints at the time will be led there. Rev. 12:6

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Bible mentions a country which seems to be the most powerful in the entire world in the end time.

Mystery Babylon isn’t mentioned to have an army. Why is that?



That country will no more be named "Mystery Babylon" than Israel is named "Sodom and Gommorha". It is a spiritual identification that those living at the time would know who she is.

You mean like the people who were living when the document was first delivered to them? The people who were told they would be blessed if they read it, and cursed if they misinterpreted it? By adding or subtracting from it? The individuals who were told if they had the wisdom that they would figure out the number name of the man called the beast? Oh, I forgot the document was a total scroll of cryptic unintelligible meaningless scribble to those living 2,000 years ago. But to you living today because you are armed with a Strong’s, an Elizabethan English Bible, a Newspaper, and the Internet, you are dead on. Well, if that ain’t logic I don’t know what is. :heeheehee







Rev 18 portrays end time Babylon as a physical and tangible entity. One that makes the merchants of the earth rich buy buying their merchandise.

Yep, and God knows that has never happened before in human history.




If he comes with real signs and wonders along with what I would consider true foundation doctrine

So anyone who agrees with your Flying Satan Saucer, and God’s Logos Space Suit, is the End Time Moses fit to follow? Good job Mike. I’ll pay for your case of grape Kool Aid.



I will be at the front of the bus.

The one sailing right off the cliff.




Could be all three. Newspapers? TV?

There you go boys and girls. The peep stone and top hat of the Dispensationalist.
Newspaper, Television and YouTubes. The Book of Revelation could of never been understood until the advent of Wikipedia. Jesus’ return live streamed! But not everyone on the planet has access to television, smartphones, computer, or able to read their own language. So every eye should of been every eye with a TV. Good job Mike. Tell us how that bus ride is working out for you.




Paul said long ago our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

He wrote those words to people living 2,000 years ago? Why didn’t he just write that it was further as expected? My Lands, doesn’t time language have any impact? The guy is writing a letter to churches in his time. He was telling a group who believed it was still far off. Yet he is correcting them that it was nearer than they thought. Not 2,000 years.






We are closer but I cant say definitively we are at the very end time.

Thank God you aren’t taking me on a road trip and I have to go to the bathroom.
“Are we there yet Mike, I gotta go! Yeah Dom we are close, but I can’t say for sure.” Mike, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so stinking sad. There ARE none so blind who will not see.





If this is not the end time America may fall and vanish away and some other country may wind up fulfilling the role of MB. I have said that all along.

There you go fellas another dead end brought to you by the ever guessing as we go along end time teacher. Satan’s Space Ship is flying over your house Mike.



If those indicators I mentioned earlier happen simultaneously in my lifetime I will believe the coming of Jesus is imminent.


If a Bullfrog had wings it wouldn’t bump its rear end every time it hopped.

Mike, what you got going for you is that because it isn’t happening the way it is played out in you hippy religion head it can’t be explained with scripture. It needs current events or some super charismatic leader who agrees with your theology. Well that’s why the Rabbis went after Jesus. He didn’t fit there eschatology, so therefore He wasn’t their Christ. Mike first on the bus? First get it off the train tracks.

[1 God]

The Bible mentions a country which seems to be the most powerful in the entire world in the end time. That country will no more be named "Mystery Babylon" than Israel is named "Sodom and Gommorha". It is a spiritual identification that those living at the time would know who she is.



Rev 18 portrays end time Babylon as a physical and tangible entity. One that makes the merchants of the earth rich buy buying their merchandise.



If he comes with real signs and wonders along with what I would consider true foundation doctrine I will be at the front of the bus.



Could be all three. Newspapers? TV?



Paul said long ago our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. We are closer but I cant say definitively we are at the very end time. If this is not the end time America may fall and vanish away and some other country may wind up fulfilling the role of MB. I have said that all along.

If those indicators I mentioned earlier happen simultaneously in my lifetime I will believe the coming of Jesus is imminent.
I think the RCC is last days Babylon in Rev 18.

[Michael The Disciple]

There you go boys and girls. The peep stone and top hat of the Dispensationalist.
Newspaper, Television and YouTubes.

You took me out of context. I was referring to how one would HEAR ABOUT ministry taking place. Not how it should be understood.

[Michael The Disciple]

Will they be in the United States or Jerusalem? Will they physically spew fire from their mouths and kill people?

For 42 months they will minister judgment. The place where they will be killed is Jerusalem. The context does not limit them to never being anywhere else. We are not given to know the details of everywhere they might be. Only that at the end they are in Jerusalem.

As to fire coming out of their mouths it probably refers to them speaking the word and judgment falling. It has happened in a literal way in the Bible.

The prophet Elijah killed 100 Israeli soldiers just by speaking words from his mouth. Fire fell from Heaven and consumed them. Read 2 Kings 1:9-14

It is a light thing for the great and dreadful God of Heaven to destroy his enemies in like manner.

So, if this never happens in your lifetime then what?

It means it was not yet time. The next generation will preach the message and maybe it will come in their time.

Great move of the Spirit? Then an Apostasy? Didn't that already happen? I mean Paul and the crew were the ones who had the original truth. Fresh, baked bread from Jesus Himself. They understood it pretty plain, it was during their time, their events, their culture, their language. No need to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin. No Strong's or some preacher butchering the Greek from the pulpit. They were the first audience. They are THE TRUTH. If an apostacy happened it would of needed to happen to the original unperverted truth? Makes sense right? I mean not 2,000 years down the line where the apostacy morphed into about 50,5609 version of the original apostasy. But please, please explain the GREAT OUTPOURING and the GREAT APOSTASY in our far off future.

So you dont believe there can be moves of Gods Spirit in any given time? Ok I get it. Since Jesus came and resurrected the dead saints and took the living saints to be with him there would not need to be any future move of God.

For those of us living NOW we could use a great move of God where Jesus would be MANIFEST in glorious power and the whole counsel of God would be revealed. New Covenant Churches such as at the beginning could spring forth!



Then as usually happens many of those who partake of such moves fall away.

Quite simple and Biblical.

MIKE!!! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HAPPY THIS MAKES ME. Who will build this temple? There isn't a lineage of the Zadokite priesthood anywhere on the planet? Ezra 2:59-62, plainly says that if they can not show DOCUMENTATION of their GENEALOGY they are to be put from the priesthood as polluted. If God is going to bypass His Holy Scripture so a temple in the far off future can be constructed, then what verses do you use that God will have a High Priest with the Urim and Thummim appear 2,000 years after the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ?

For hundreds of years Bible scholars taught that Israel was done never to rise again. A few here and there held Israel would be restored in the end time.

In 1948 the scholars were shown to have missed it. They could not figure out how it happened. Yet it did. It will be the same way with a temple.

Hmm, who will be martyrdered?

Apostles, Prophets and saints. Rev. 18:20 and 24.

[jfrog]

Till the last week or 2. I would have predicted Biden. But Winds are blowing Trumps way.

[Esaias]

For hundreds of years Bible scholars taught that Israel was done never to rise again. A few here and there held Israel would be restored in the end time.

In 1948 the scholars were shown to have missed it. They could not figure out how it happened. Yet it did. It will be the same way with a temple.



Regarding the bolded above: those "few" were historicists, by the way, who came to that conclusion as a result of their historicist approach.

I would also point out (not to you, but the other readers) that the prophecy expositors predicting a return or restoration of Israel all had it happening either because of a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity or as part of a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity.

So the "few who got it right" apparently didn't.

Never mind the fact that "Israel" over in Palestine today isn't the Israel described in the Bible, but are another group of people altogether.

As for "never figure out how it happened" I guess you didn't pay attention to history class. Everyone knew and knows the Jews established a state as a result of a grant from Great Britain at the end of WW2. Something Hitler was trying to do as well, by the way.

[Michael The Disciple]

I would also point out (not to you, but the other readers) that the prophecy expositors predicting a return or restoration of Israel all had it happening either because of a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity or as part of a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity.

So the "few who got it right" apparently didn't.

They DID get it right. It happened. And even if no one got it right it was still a mighty fulfillment of Gods word. Thus far it has been the most literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy I know of.

Never mind the fact that "Israel" over in Palestine today isn't the Israel described in the Bible, but are another group of people altogether.

That would be highly contested by many.

As for "never figure out how it happened" I guess you didn't pay attention to history class. Everyone knew and knows the Jews established a state as a result of a grant from Great Britain at the end of WW2. Something Hitler was trying to do as well, by the way.

So you believe that things just happen naturally? God does not move behind the scenes to bring his will to pass? The Bible is full of events that disprove that.

[n david]

Get out and vote for Trump, ya filthy deplorables! :lol

[Originalist]

They DID get it right. It happened. And even if no one got it right it was still a mighty fulfillment of Gods word. Thus far it has been the most literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy I know of.



That would be highly contested by many.



So you believe that things just happen naturally? God does not move behind the scenes to bring his will to pass? The Bible is full of events that disprove that.

God does not always push his wisdom and will when it comes to politics. That is why Israel ended up with a King.

[Esaias]

They DID get it right. It happened. And even if no one got it right it was still a mighty fulfillment of Gods word. Thus far it has been the most literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy I know of.



That would be highly contested by many.



So you believe that things just happen naturally? God does not move behind the scenes to bring his will to pass? The Bible is full of events that disprove that.

There's a reason my comments which you quoted were not directed to you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

You took me out of context. I was referring to how one would HEAR ABOUT ministry taking place. Not how it should be understood.

By no means did I take you out of context. The Daily Cesspool, Hellevision, and You Tubes is where you get your cues for the Endtime. Current events trump truth everytime with Doomsdayers as yourself. So, deal with it, because Bubba everytime the modern state of Israel passes wind, you start speaking in other tongues. 1948? What a joke. Not one human being over there in Israel can meet the Biblical requirements needed to say they are the Israel of the Bible. 1948 is as scriptural as Joseph Smith finding the golden plates in the Mormon witch groves in Palmyra New York. Israel was thrown out of their land because of sin? That's Bible? Right? But they go back into the land in sin? Unrepentant, no temple rebuilding, can't produce a Levite, let alone a Zadokite.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I think the RCC is last days Babylon in Rev 18.

Sean who cares.

[Jito463]

Going back to the original topic, someone decided to take the first debate between Trump and Biden, and make it more understandable. I think they did a great job, personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-h78tuNiU

[Evang.Benincasa]

For 42 months they will minister judgment. The place where they will be killed is Jerusalem. The context does not limit them to never being anywhere else. We are not given to know the details of everywhere they might be. Only that at the end they are in Jerusalem.

They're only in Judea, they die and resurrect in Judea, the capital city of Jerusalem. It doesn't say that they go anywhere, because they don't. The context limits them to Jerusalem. No mention of Satan's Satellite, or are the two witnesses on TBN so all the world can see them?


As to fire coming out of their mouths it probably refers to them speaking the word and judgment falling. It has happened in a literal way in the Bible.

Mike probably? You mean you have no way of knowing? It has happened literally, but that was out of heaven from God.

Yet, this fire is out of the mouth of prophets. Jeremiah 5:14 "Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them."

Much of the Revelation is taken from Jeremiah. But you don't know that, yet those who were living during the first century did. It was a part of their lives. They lived in a theocracy, where the leadership were priests. You were raised with tie dyed shirts, and the Grateful Dead.



The prophet Elijah killed 100 Israeli soldiers just by speaking words from his mouth. Fire fell from Heaven and consumed them. Read 2 Kings 1:9-14

How long you been doing this buddy? FIRE OUT OF THE MOUTHS, NOT DOWN FROM HEAVEN. Want to go a few pages about beards? :laffatu


It is a light thing for the great and dreadful God of Heaven to destroy his enemies in like manner.

But you know what? Seems that God would rather allow individuals to remain blind because of their own righteousness.



It means it was not yet time. The next generation will preach the message and maybe it will come in their time.

Mike, too bad you are clueless to earth's history. But actually the farther you get away from these bogus fulfillments like 1948 people go back to study. They see what was once taught as a fulfillment wasn't a fulfillment at all. but the teacher was mistaken. He may of never studied it out, or was dogmatically adhering to the mantra he had chanted for 30 years. Not willing to admit he was wrong, or just not willing to change. I have mechanics tell me they been doing it this way for 30 years. I tell them they been doing it wrong for 30 years. Listen Mike, I have fun with you with your Satan Rocket Ship, but you aren't the first one who I have heard that from. Meaning you haven't originated the idea. Somewhere on my bookshelves I have a paper back on the Bible and UFOs. Meaning for every nutty idea, unscriptural view, there is a fellowship just waiting for you. Yet, as those people die off the followers either get back to the Bible. Or they stay with the group as it gets smaller.


So you dont believe there can be moves of Gods Spirit in any given time?

You know you didn't deal with anything in my quote that you are replying to above? I never alluded to the above, I never ever on this forum even came close to making anyone feel I believe that. Not to my knowledge anyway. But, worse than that you have given amens to posts I have made saying the exact opposite of your above accusation of me.


Ok I get it.

Ah, no. Actually you never will. You will be stuck in front of a computer, with two dogs, and your wife in your trailer. Hunting down windmill dragons, believing you are an apostle driving the bus.





Since Jesus came and resurrected the dead saints and took the living saints to be with him there would not need to be any future move of God.

I don't know what you are talking about. I have already repeatedly told you I don't believe there was a rapture of living people in 70 A.D. Frankly out of everyone I know who believes as I do, they also don't believe that. But, again you have been told multiple times.



For those of us living NOW we could use a great move of God where Jesus would be MANIFEST in glorious power and the whole counsel of God would be revealed. New Covenant Churches such as at the beginning could spring forth!

Mike, what do you mean could use a great move of God? That's like I could use a good steak right now. Someone would say that because they don't currently have one. So, Mike, what are you currently doing to make all that happen?


Then as usually happens many of those who partake of such moves fall away.

Quite simple and Biblical.

That isn't what Paul talking about. The verse isn't referring to a great move of God and then people losing interest. Do you believe that the Bible prophecy is cyclical? That it is fulfilled in every generation? That in every generation you have falling aways and restorations? I personally don't believe you believe that. Yet, Paul is actually talking about a definite indicator of time. The falling away is a falling away from what the originals had. Not people living 2,000 years and counting, who argue over everything from tithing to your favorite candy stick "to beard or not to beard." No, Paul is talking about a falling away from the original teachings of the Apostles. They didn't have to have a reformation. They didn't have to have a council of Nicea or Chalcedon. They didn't have to go running through Palmyra New York with a peep stone and top hat. They were the originals, they had it fresh in their own language. Concerning their own culture. The indicators was when the Judaizers and Gnostic Kabbalist Judean Christians started to infiltrate the church.


For hundreds of years Bible scholars taught that Israel was done never to rise again.

As I think Esaias said, these were historicists, who were just reading the Bible. Furthermore, one went by the name King James I, he was asked through a letter, by one of the "few" who though Israel would be restored. The individual told King James I to help send the modern Jews back to the Middle East to rebuild the temple, and restore Israel. King James I thought it was laughable, because King James I knew there wasn't a Jew alive who could prove they were actual descendants of Bible Judeans. Mike, 1948 didn't convert Historicists into Dispensationalists. It just caused Historicists to write some really good material refuting the 1948 claim.


A few here and there held Israel would be restored in the end time.

A few here and there followed a man name of Joe Smith into Missouri, and then to Utah with a guy name oi Brigham Young. Mike, throughout history, there is a few here and there.


In 1948 the scholars were shown to have missed it. They could not figure out how it happened. Yet it did. It will be the same way with a temple.

Really? What were the names of these scholars back in 1948? Which scholars who understood Biblical lineage, and the culture of ancient Israel converted? 1948 Mike, we are in 2020 going into 2021.


Apostles, Prophets and saints. Rev. 18:20 and 24.

I can read Mike, but I asked you who now!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Going back to the original topic, someone decided to take the first debate between Trump and Biden, and make it more understandable. I think they did a great job, personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-h78tuNiU

Biden and Kamala gonna take every dolla?