Sid Roth, Branham, Cain, and Reed

[Amanah]

The linked video is an interesting episode of Sid Roth with Chris Reed discussing William Branham and Paul Cain.

https://youtu.be/vAspOxaJC7g

Below is a video by Billy Cole talking about Spiritual Gifts and the dangers of operating the gifts.

https://youtu.be/9elvCw7GTUI

[Amanah]

I don't have much confidence in prophecy or giftings in the charismatic ranks,
Apostolics have more cred .

[diakonos]

I don't have much confidence in prophecy or giftings in the charismatic ranks,
Apostolics have more cred .

But not much, it seems. I know people that believe you should give the word... and if you’re wrong, at least you’re practicing your gift.

Mmkay... :lol

[diakonos]

I remember the first time I gave a word to a young man. I was 18. The urgency to give this word was like fire shut up in my bones. Closer to the real meaning- not some heat going through your body due to the ‘nointing. But, I digress.

I walked to my friends house. The urgency to give the message was even greater. He began to speak and say things that hit on what I had to say to him. Which confirmed to me that I wasn’t following my own leading. So, I began to speak the word... and as I spoke a sentence or two, I’d get another thing to say. It came in bits and pieces until it was put together like a puzzle.

Pretty interesting experience.

But, I’d NEVER just practice my gift as a word from the Lord and be wrong. :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

The linked video is an interesting episode of Sid Roth with Chris Reed discussing William Branham and Paul Cain.

https://youtu.be/vAspOxaJC7g

Watch it again. Look at Reed’s face as Roth tells Chris all the random things he got right. Are we to believe true prophets got an Oh boy look on their face when the correctly prophesied? When events came to pass they said “wow, I got that right!” Asking me if I know a name, proves what to me if the asker has no clue about that name. Also, what’s up with Hawaiian shirts?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Roth says that Chris sent him a video?
Is Chris his own PR man?

Oh boy.

One more interesting thing. Chris’ face when he speaks.
He better stay out of an integration room. Also make sure he doesn’t have anyone schooled in body language in his audience.

[Michael The Disciple]

I don't have much confidence in prophecy or giftings in the charismatic ranks,
Apostolics have more cred .

Aside from Chris who would you think among Apostolics? I always enjoyed hearing David Terrell on the radio back in the 80's. I even heard him prophesy several things one night that came to pass in a few days.

Then years later when I mentioned that on this forum I was told he actually was just a false prophet living in sin. Not saying at this point that judgment is wrong just that I never saw a BIG NAME Apostolic preacher who seemed to be a prophet.

I do know Apostolic regular people who have or have had dynamic prophetic gifts so Im not saying there are no prophetic gifts. I have experienced them many times over the years so for that I am very thankful.

[Amanah]

Bro Michael, I have no one particular in mind. I would distrust receiving a word from anyone who wasn't an apostolic brethren, or who I dont know.

There are brothers on this forum who I would trust to speak to me.

[Amanah]

As far as Chris Reed, Im curious about him because people I know respect and follow him

[Michael The Disciple]

As far as Chris Reed, Im curious about him because people I know respect and follow him

Im curious also and impressed so far.

[Amanah]

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Chris Reed
20m ·
Ten days of testing, when Deborah is appointed judge.
There are two passages scriptures that come to mind that The Lord has brought to my spirit that describe and speak to the events we are living in here in America. I have felt a strong sense of urgency about this election. I do feel that Trump will win reelection, but I have recently not felt the peace and certainty about this election that some have.

In revelation 2:10 Jesus says to the church at Smyrna “10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.

There was a 7.0 earthquake in Turkey yesterday on 10-30-2020 that rocked the region. Turkey is where the ancient church of Smyrna was located. Which means I think there will be 10 days of great testing and tribulation starting when the earthquake happened. I think between October 30/ November 9, we will have a time in America of great tribulation. But we will endure. 10 days comes out to 240 HOURS. I think the number 240 will also be very significant to this election.

Also in light of Justice Amy Barrett’s appointment, I see a spiritual parallel from judges 5.
Listen carefully.
Judges 5
English Standard version
The Song of Deborah and Barak

Then sang DEBORAH and BARAK the son of Abinoam on that day:
Verse 4-4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom, (red) THE EARTH TREMBLED
and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains QUAKED before the LORD, Even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Verse 7 - The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be UNTIL I AROSE;
I, Deborah, AROSE AS A MOTHER in Israel.
Here we see in the days of Deborah the judge (the only GODLY WOMAN JUDGE WHO WAS A MOTHER OF SMALL CHILDREN, (judge Amy Barrett has said to be likened spiritually unto a biblical Deborah because of her faith being a judge and being the only justice to have small children as a Supreme Court justice)
There was an earthquake and shaking connected to her rule. Justice Barrett took office Tuesday morning and 3 days later an earthquake happened where the church of Smyrna was located and then Smyrna was warned of entering 10 days of tribulation. But look carefully again to verse 4. I think there’s a clue in the verse that would be easy to overlook
4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the region of Edom, (Edom means RED) the earth trembled and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains quakedbefore the LORD, even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Notice in the days of Deborah the judge the LORD was said to March from the region of EDOM. Edom means RED (the color of the GOP)
I believe there is a mighty marching of the Lord that God will do in this election through the Republican Party (red).

Let’s connect the dots.
1. When Deborah (the mother of small children became judge) there was a mighty earthquake and also victory from God through the region of RED.
2. The earthquake happened in turkey (Smyrna) which means we might see some significant turbulence and tribulation over the next ten days. Whether that means violence in the streets or n uncertainty of the winner of the election after Tuesday for a few days, ultimately with God marching through a victory from the region of the Republican Party to restore America and get legislation passed to restore the value of life. (Pro life).

Please join me in prayer for a mighty victory (from the red) over the next few days and let’s pray that God will help America over the next 10 days as we see a victory for biblical values through this 2020 election.

[Evang.Benincasa]

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Chris Reed
20m ·
Ten days of testing, when Deborah is appointed judge.
There are two passages scriptures that come to mind that The Lord has brought to my spirit that describe and speak to the events we are living in here in America. I have felt a strong sense of urgency about this election. I do feel that Trump will win reelection, but I have recently not felt the peace and certainty about this election that some have.

In revelation 2:10 Jesus says to the church at Smyrna “10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.

There was a 7.0 earthquake in Turkey yesterday on 10-30-2020 that rocked the region. Turkey is where the ancient church of Smyrna was located. Which means I think there will be 10 days of great testing and tribulation starting when the earthquake happened. I think between October 30/ November 9, we will have a time in America of great tribulation. But we will endure. 10 days comes out to 240 HOURS. I think the number 240 will also be very significant to this election.

Also in light of Justice Amy Barrett’s appointment, I see a spiritual parallel from judges 5.
Listen carefully.
Judges 5
English Standard version
The Song of Deborah and Barak

Then sang DEBORAH and BARAK the son of Abinoam on that day:
Verse 4-4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom, (red) THE EARTH TREMBLED
and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains QUAKED before the LORD, Even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Verse 7 - The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be UNTIL I AROSE;
I, Deborah, AROSE AS A MOTHER in Israel.
Here we see in the days of Deborah the judge (the only GODLY WOMAN JUDGE WHO WAS A MOTHER OF SMALL CHILDREN, (judge Amy Barrett has said to be likened spiritually unto a biblical Deborah because of her faith being a judge and being the only justice to have small children as a Supreme Court justice)
There was an earthquake and shaking connected to her rule. Justice Barrett took office Tuesday morning and 3 days later an earthquake happened where the church of Smyrna was located and then Smyrna was warned of entering 10 days of tribulation. But look carefully again to verse 4. I think there’s a clue in the verse that would be easy to overlook
4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the region of Edom, (Edom means RED) the earth trembled and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains quakedbefore the LORD, even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Notice in the days of Deborah the judge the LORD was said to March from the region of EDOM. Edom means RED (the color of the GOP)
I believe there is a mighty marching of the Lord that God will do in this election through the Republican Party (red).

Let’s connect the dots.
1. When Deborah (the mother of small children became judge) there was a mighty earthquake and also victory from God through the region of RED.
2. The earthquake happened in turkey (Smyrna) which means we might see some significant turbulence and tribulation over the next ten days. Whether that means violence in the streets or n uncertainty of the winner of the election after Tuesday for a few days, ultimately with God marching through a victory from the region of the Republican Party to restore America and get legislation passed to restore the value of life. (Pro life).

Please join me in prayer for a mighty victory (from the red) over the next few days and let’s pray that God will help America over the next 10 days as we see a victory for biblical values through this 2020 election.


Are you kidding me?

Does Chris now have dyed red hair like Robin?

How utterly sad. I had spoken to Chris over the phones many years ago. When he was just like one of us midgets.

Instead of telling the future of everyone else, homeboy, needs to turn the laser beam on himself.

[Amanah]

Are you kidding me?

Does Chris now have dyed red hair like Robin?

How utterly sad. I had spoken to Chris over the phones many years ago. When he was just like one of us midgets.

Instead of telling the future of everyone else, homeboy, needs to turn the laser beam on himself.

I was wondering also if he saw Robin's doodaw. from yesterday

[TJJJ]

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Chris Reed
20m ·
Ten days of testing, when Deborah is appointed judge.
There are two passages scriptures that come to mind that The Lord has brought to my spirit that describe and speak to the events we are living in here in America. I have felt a strong sense of urgency about this election. I do feel that Trump will win reelection, but I have recently not felt the peace and certainty about this election that some have.

In revelation 2:10 Jesus says to the church at Smyrna “10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.

There was a 7.0 earthquake in Turkey yesterday on 10-30-2020 that rocked the region. Turkey is where the ancient church of Smyrna was located. Which means I think there will be 10 days of great testing and tribulation starting when the earthquake happened. I think between October 30/ November 9, we will have a time in America of great tribulation. But we will endure. 10 days comes out to 240 HOURS. I think the number 240 will also be very significant to this election.

Also in light of Justice Amy Barrett’s appointment, I see a spiritual parallel from judges 5.
Listen carefully.
Judges 5
English Standard version
The Song of Deborah and Barak

Then sang DEBORAH and BARAK the son of Abinoam on that day:
Verse 4-4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom, (red) THE EARTH TREMBLED
and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains QUAKED before the LORD, Even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Verse 7 - The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be UNTIL I AROSE;
I, Deborah, AROSE AS A MOTHER in Israel.
Here we see in the days of Deborah the judge (the only GODLY WOMAN JUDGE WHO WAS A MOTHER OF SMALL CHILDREN, (judge Amy Barrett has said to be likened spiritually unto a biblical Deborah because of her faith being a judge and being the only justice to have small children as a Supreme Court justice)
There was an earthquake and shaking connected to her rule. Justice Barrett took office Tuesday morning and 3 days later an earthquake happened where the church of Smyrna was located and then Smyrna was warned of entering 10 days of tribulation. But look carefully again to verse 4. I think there’s a clue in the verse that would be easy to overlook
4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the region of Edom, (Edom means RED) the earth trembled and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains quakedbefore the LORD, even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Notice in the days of Deborah the judge the LORD was said to March from the region of EDOM. Edom means RED (the color of the GOP)
I believe there is a mighty marching of the Lord that God will do in this election through the Republican Party (red).

Let’s connect the dots.
1. When Deborah (the mother of small children became judge) there was a mighty earthquake and also victory from God through the region of RED.
2. The earthquake happened in turkey (Smyrna) which means we might see some significant turbulence and tribulation over the next ten days. Whether that means violence in the streets or n uncertainty of the winner of the election after Tuesday for a few days, ultimately with God marching through a victory from the region of the Republican Party to restore America and get legislation passed to restore the value of life. (Pro life).

Please join me in prayer for a mighty victory (from the red) over the next few days and let’s pray that God will help America over the next 10 days as we see a victory for biblical values through this 2020 election.

I have seen stupidity among dispees before, but this is absolutely ridiculous!!!!

How do you say...... "TOTALLY FABRICATED"....?

This is the problem with people who take the Book out of context and disregard the rules of Bible Study.

RULES OF BIBLE STUDY

1- The Bible is of no private interpretation.
2- Because of Rule 1 we let the Bible Interpret itself.
3- God is not the author of confusion so if it appears to contradict itself I am reading it wrong. I need to go back and restudy it and let it speak for itself.
4- Context, context, context. Who, what, where, when and why.
5- Old Testament precedence for New Testament doctrine.
6- Mouth of 2-3 witnesses for every doctrine.
7- Law of first mention.

These are just the basics folks, where do these jackleg jelly beans get this drivel?

Wow, wow and wow!!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was wondering also if he saw Robin's doodaw. from yesterday

Hmmm, you know, red states, red October, must mean red hair prophets? Maybe that’s the reason Robin dyed his long hair.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I have seen stupidity among dispees before, but this is absolutely ridiculous!!!!

How do you say...... "TOTALLY FABRICATED"....?

This is the problem with people who take the Book out of context and disregard the rules of Bible Study.

RULES OF BIBLE STUDY

1- The Bible is of no private interpretation.
2- Because of Rule 1 we let the Bible Interpret itself.
3- God is not the author of confusion so if it appears to contradict itself I am reading it wrong. I need to go back and restudy it and let it speak for itself.
4- Context, context, context. Who, what, where, when and why.
5- Old Testament precedence for New Testament doctrine.
6- Mouth of 2-3 witnesses for every doctrine.
7- Law of first mention.

These are just the basics folks, where do these jackleg jelly beans get this drivel?

Wow, wow and wow!!!

Did you even see Robin’s long red hair? How about the guy who rocks back and forth as he prophesies? Now how about Chris Reed’s cool 5 O Hawaiian shirt! He is all chill, and ready to read some mail.

[diakonos]

This guy got his gift by studying Branham. Mmkay :lol

[diakonos]

I’m gonna watch Benny Hinn videos and see if I can make people fall over when I throw an imaginary softball at them.

[jediwill83]

This guy got his gift by studying Branham. Mmkay :lol whaaaaat?

[Evang.Benincasa]

This guy got his gift by studying Branham. Mmkay :lol

How does one exactly study William Branham? Do they listen to all the tapes? Read all the books (which are the tape transcripts) Do you read Gordon Lindsay's biography about William Branham? How many people had angels come to them and tell them to 1) never drink, 2) never smoke, I guess the angel wasn't against dipping, seeing this was a Kentucky angel. Then 3) never to defile his body in anyway. What exactly was the other defilements? Since this angel only appears to Branham, did Branham ever let anyone know about the other defilements? What were they? So, study of William Branham would be a lot more than listening to his tape collection. I thought Chris was a Partial Preterist? The Church Age book is total Dispensationalism. Also William Branham believed that everyone in heaven will have bodies around the age of 30 years old? So, one must ask, what portions of Branham theology, soteriology, and eschatology is being study if any? Or maybe just the clairvoyant aspects of Mr Branham?

[Esaias]

Sid Roth, Branham, Cain, and Reed

Is that a Gospel Quartet or something? Are they apostolic? Did they ever do a rendition of Tthe Water Way?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sid Roth, Branham, Cain, and Reed

Is that a Gospel Quartet or something? Are they apostolic? Did they ever do a rendition of Tthe Water Way?

No, it is one dead guy, one guy who looks dead, and one guy in a Hawaiian shirt who can tell you your phone number.

[Steven Avery]

Are we sure that the Christian Mentalist Academy where Chris Reed studied is accredited?

Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy?

Lakeland, 2008 - the Todd Bentley (sin-buffeted) revival.
He was so much trying to hook the lady into that abomination event.

[jediwill83]

No, it is one dead guy, one guy who looks dead, and one guy in a Hawaiian shirt who can tell you your phone number.


Ok, my deal is this. If you WERE to model yourself after any prophet, why Branham? Went to a site that listed the inconsistencies in his stories and prophecies and about they would change over time from place to place...just sayin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Are we sure that the Christian Mentalist Academy where Chris Reed studied is accredited?

Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy?

Lakeland, 2008 - the Todd Bentley (sin-buffeted) revival.
He was so much trying to hook the lady into that abomination event.

That is a very good point. Why not tell us things which would totally impact human history? That would really get the world’s attention. Who killed JFK? All the cold cases around the entire world. Missing and exploited children whose lives are in grave danger. Human trafficking that must be stopped. Someone with the ability to see into the souls of men, to see their secret thoughts, to uncover that which is hidden could literally save lives. To find evidence, the names of perpetrators. All the details of everyone on Epstein’s list, and be able to overturn the whole situation. Brother Avery you nailed a home run this morning.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Ok, my deal is this. If you WERE to model yourself after any prophet, why Branham? Went to a site that listed the inconsistencies in his stories and prophecies and about they would change over time from place to place...just sayin.

My brother, because there are none so blind who will not see.
Charismatics see Billy Boy as the 7th Angel to the Church of Laodicea.

[consapente89]

Hmmm, you know, red states, red October, must mean red hair prophets? Maybe that’s the reason Robin dyed his long hair.

Johnson?

[diakonos]

Robin?

[Amanah]

ZSid Roth, Branham, Cain, and Reed

Is that a Gospel Quartet or something? Are they apostolic? Did they ever do a rendition of Tthe Water Way?

Chris Reed Statement of Faith
https://www.revivalcenterperu.com/statement-of-faith

[Evang.Benincasa]

Johnson?

https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1595030&postcount=31

[Evang.Benincasa]

Robin?

https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1595030&postcount=31

[diakonos]

Eww

[diakonos]

I’ve decided to become a false prophet. They make a lot of money.

[consapente89]

Yikes. I’ll never understand how an “apostolic” gets mixed up with these charismatic jokers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I’ve decided to become a false prophet. They make a lot of money.

Isn't that really what it is about? The Amazing Kreskin, Uri Geller, The Long Island Medium (well done) Theresa Caputo, or Sylvia Browne. Fakes, who either claim some special ability they were born with, or instead of saying that God is giving them the answers for their audiences, some dead person is giving them the down low. People love it, they love it so much, that they give the swami, soothsayer, flim flam man the information that is needed to get their startling insight about a person. That is how cold reading works. The Gypsy community has made a lucrative business from it. Horrifyingly so have some preachers. Now, don't get me wrong. I have witness prophets prophesying, whether through preaching or in a one on one conversation. All the ones I have ever experienced who made an entire service based around their Ecclesiastical Bolshoi ballet, were typical cold readers, warm readers, and straight out hot readers. Joker comes in and tell PeePaw and MeeMaw, some random secret about themselves, then prays for PeePaw's gout, and MeeMaw's rheumatism.

Later that evening after the show, sweet, kind, sincerely humble saints of God, MeeMaw and PeePaw, slip Brother Slick ( the all seeing eye ) an envelope with fresh crisp Benjamins. Unbeknown to the pastor who had already given the guy a check. If someone has a terminal illness, they are miraculously healed, but never get saved and delivered? What was the good of the healing? Telling me about where a lost my car keys, is awesome (it's happened before) But you never encourage the guy to go forward to listen for the voice of the True Shepherd. Then he is just a guy who was pointed to his lost keys, yet he is lost. William Branham preached about Jesus name baptism, God is One, living a holy overcoming life. But he became bigger than the Message. Was that totally his fault? No way, it is the people. Without the fans, without the sweet as honey, loved by Jesus MeeMaws and PeePaws, who out the loving kindness of their hearts give envelopes to Jackleg Jellybean Preachers. You wouldn't have not a one of these guys traveling the church circuits or wanting to be in the limelight. Because there is nothing earthly for them to gain. They already have their rewards to be seen of men. While they read everyone's mail, they never read their own. Because there is no profitable gain in that. Fame and fortune, right from the start. When a guy wants to be more in the pulpit then in a prayer room, in the streets sharing Christ with someone, then really it's more about wanting to be bigger then the Message.

[votivesoul]

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Chris Reed
20m ·
Ten days of testing, when Deborah is appointed judge.
There are two passages scriptures that come to mind that The Lord has brought to my spirit that describe and speak to the events we are living in here in America. I have felt a strong sense of urgency about this election. I do feel that Trump will win reelection, but I have recently not felt the peace and certainty about this election that some have.

In revelation 2:10 Jesus says to the church at Smyrna “10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.

There was a 7.0 earthquake in Turkey yesterday on 10-30-2020 that rocked the region. Turkey is where the ancient church of Smyrna was located. Which means I think there will be 10 days of great testing and tribulation starting when the earthquake happened. I think between October 30/ November 9, we will have a time in America of great tribulation. But we will endure. 10 days comes out to 240 HOURS. I think the number 240 will also be very significant to this election.

Also in light of Justice Amy Barrett’s appointment, I see a spiritual parallel from judges 5.
Listen carefully.
Judges 5
English Standard version
The Song of Deborah and Barak

Then sang DEBORAH and BARAK the son of Abinoam on that day:
Verse 4-4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom, (red) THE EARTH TREMBLED
and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains QUAKED before the LORD, Even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Verse 7 - The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be UNTIL I AROSE;
I, Deborah, AROSE AS A MOTHER in Israel.
Here we see in the days of Deborah the judge (the only GODLY WOMAN JUDGE WHO WAS A MOTHER OF SMALL CHILDREN, (judge Amy Barrett has said to be likened spiritually unto a biblical Deborah because of her faith being a judge and being the only justice to have small children as a Supreme Court justice)
There was an earthquake and shaking connected to her rule. Justice Barrett took office Tuesday morning and 3 days later an earthquake happened where the church of Smyrna was located and then Smyrna was warned of entering 10 days of tribulation. But look carefully again to verse 4. I think there’s a clue in the verse that would be easy to overlook
4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the region of Edom, (Edom means RED) the earth trembled and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains quakedbefore the LORD, even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Notice in the days of Deborah the judge the LORD was said to March from the region of EDOM. Edom means RED (the color of the GOP)
I believe there is a mighty marching of the Lord that God will do in this election through the Republican Party (red).

Let’s connect the dots.
1. When Deborah (the mother of small children became judge) there was a mighty earthquake and also victory from God through the region of RED.
2. The earthquake happened in turkey (Smyrna) which means we might see some significant turbulence and tribulation over the next ten days. Whether that means violence in the streets or n uncertainty of the winner of the election after Tuesday for a few days, ultimately with God marching through a victory from the region of the Republican Party to restore America and get legislation passed to restore the value of life. (Pro life).

Please join me in prayer for a mighty victory (from the red) over the next few days and let’s pray that God will help America over the next 10 days as we see a victory for biblical values through this 2020 election.

I hope whoever reads this, whether here or on FB or wherever this goes, knows the difference between divination (reading after the fact signs and attempting to augur the future from those signs) and Biblical future predicting prophecy (calling out the event before it comes to pass, then watching it come to pass).

[Amanah]

Chris Reed
6h ·
This is the original Pennsylvania prophetic word from august 20. You can see the date below. I think it’s very important to keep praying about !
https://www.facebook.com/100052451283524/posts/164263921998650/?d=n

Chris Reed
August 20 ·
������Prophetic word! ������. Pennsylvania, the nation is looking to you!
This afternoon I had a powerful vision, an open vision that is very significant and consequential to America and the upcoming presidential election. In the vision I saw a map of United States, and I saw a person standing on each particular state from all 50 states and they were looking at me.
Then I saw the Calendar, as each page flipped representing the different months. August turned over, then September, then October. As I saw the month of November 2020, all of the people that were standing on each state looking at me turned their face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.
It was as if the whole nation - every single state - was looking at the state of Pennsylvania. The state, of course, that contains Philadelphia. A city that represents so much of the history and the founding of our nation. Philadelphia was the site of the first and second Continental Congresses (in 1774 and 1775, respectively). The latter of the two produced the Declaration of Independence, sparking the American Revolution. I then saw president George Washington standing in Pennsylvania. Then President Trump came and stood beside him. George Washington put his arm around President Trump and spoke these words to him: “You are leading the second revolution to free America from socialism. The whole nation is looking to Pennsylvania once again to declare independence from socialism, radical ideology, and an anti-Christ agenda; to restore it back to its foundations, and to truly keep America great!”
I believe there is spiritual warfare surrounding the state of Pennsylvania in regards to the coming presidential election. I believe it will be a state of great consequence. I also know Joe Biden was born in Pennsylvania, but left at a young age. I believe with all my heart that a new revolution is being led in this nation, and is fully restoring America back to its founding documents, such as the Declaration of Independence. Men and women of all creeds, colors, and ethnicity will have a truly renewed hope. They will take advantage of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that was first declared in Pennsylvania. Please join me in prayer for the state of Pennsylvania, which represents the founding of our nation, the Revolution, and the Declaration of Independence. Let’s pray that it will lead the charge in restoring America back to the good qualities of our foundation, and that America would truly be one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all! -Chris Reed- 8-20-2020 #share

Chris Reed
19h ·
Pennsylvania prophecy alert !. How “Erie”. Keep your eyes in Erie, Pennsylvania. However, part of the vision I had on august 20, 2020 saw “all eyes on Pennsylvania” ... It’s coming to pass just as The Lord showed me... here’s that part..
“ I suddenly saw each person standing on each state looking at me then turned their whole face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.”
This was on the news at 10:55 on Election Day 2020. #share

[Evang.Benincasa]

Why is this being reposted and why is the prophet telling us that he has been vindicated? Also, when did Chris Reed go to Philly to address the population of the City of Brotherly Love? Would anyone care to spoon feed me on the post? Anyone?

[diakonos]

Someone needs to throw him in a river to see if he can float.

[Amanah]

Trump needs Pennsylvania to win.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Someone needs to throw him in a river to see if he can float.

He hasn’t turned me into a newt yet.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sister, did anyone need God to tell them that?
As in Pennsylvania always been the deciding factor?
Pennsylvania always went Democrat since 1952, but in 2016 the Donald changed all that. So for the past 4 years we thought this election Pennsylvania would follow suit. The Donald understood this going in and therefore wanted to nail Creepy Uncle Joe on the NO FRACKING, and GOOD BYE FOSSIL FUEL MANTRA.
So God doesn’t have to give us a dream or tell us all eyes should be on Pennsylvania. Because that’s a given. But I’m not following the whole closet Catholic Freemason George Washington hugging Trump symbolism? What’s your understanding on that?

[Amanah]

Well when you put it like that . . .

[votivesoul]

Chris Reed
6h ·
This is the original Pennsylvania prophetic word from august 20. You can see the date below. I think it’s very important to keep praying about !
https://www.facebook.com/100052451283524/posts/164263921998650/?d=n

Chris Reed
August 20 ·
������Prophetic word! ������. Pennsylvania, the nation is looking to you!
This afternoon I had a powerful vision, an open vision that is very significant and consequential to America and the upcoming presidential election. In the vision I saw a map of United States, and I saw a person standing on each particular state from all 50 states and they were looking at me.
Then I saw the Calendar, as each page flipped representing the different months. August turned over, then September, then October. As I saw the month of November 2020, all of the people that were standing on each state looking at me turned their face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.
It was as if the whole nation - every single state - was looking at the state of Pennsylvania. The state, of course, that contains Philadelphia. A city that represents so much of the history and the founding of our nation. Philadelphia was the site of the first and second Continental Congresses (in 1774 and 1775, respectively). The latter of the two produced the Declaration of Independence, sparking the American Revolution. I then saw president George Washington standing in Pennsylvania. Then President Trump came and stood beside him. George Washington put his arm around President Trump and spoke these words to him: “You are leading the second revolution to free America from socialism. The whole nation is looking to Pennsylvania once again to declare independence from socialism, radical ideology, and an anti-Christ agenda; to restore it back to its foundations, and to truly keep America great!”
I believe there is spiritual warfare surrounding the state of Pennsylvania in regards to the coming presidential election. I believe it will be a state of great consequence. I also know Joe Biden was born in Pennsylvania, but left at a young age. I believe with all my heart that a new revolution is being led in this nation, and is fully restoring America back to its founding documents, such as the Declaration of Independence. Men and women of all creeds, colors, and ethnicity will have a truly renewed hope. They will take advantage of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that was first declared in Pennsylvania. Please join me in prayer for the state of Pennsylvania, which represents the founding of our nation, the Revolution, and the Declaration of Independence. Let’s pray that it will lead the charge in restoring America back to the good qualities of our foundation, and that America would truly be one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all! -Chris Reed- 8-20-2020 #share

Chris Reed
19h ·
Pennsylvania prophecy alert !. How “Erie”. Keep your eyes in Erie, Pennsylvania. However, part of the vision I had on august 20, 2020 saw “all eyes on Pennsylvania” ... It’s coming to pass just as The Lord showed me... here’s that part..
“ I suddenly saw each person standing on each state looking at me then turned their whole face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.”
This was on the news at 10:55 on Election Day 2020. #share

It remains to be seen, but Biden only needs Nevada to win. Pennsylvania plays no part in the matter, currently. This being the case, as of yet, there are no national eyes of PA.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It remains to be seen, but Biden only needs Nevada to win. Pennsylvania plays no part in the matter, currently. This being the case, as of yet, there are no national eyes of PA.

I wonder what Brother Chris Reed's comments on this would be?

[votivesoul]

I wonder what Brother Chris Reed's comments on this would be?

Don't get me wrong. For his sake, I hope he is right about it all. But not just his sake, but the church's sake, the reputation of the ministry's sake, the prophetic gifting and calling's sake, the name of Jesus' sake, and etc all the way down the list.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Don't get me wrong. For his sake, I hope he is right about it all. But not just his sake, but the church's sake, the reputation of the ministry's sake, the prophetic gifting and calling's sake, the name of Jesus' sake, and etc all the way down the list.

Absolutely true. Anytime I hear a prediction, a dream, an utterance. I hope for the individual that they are shooting straight. But I have found the best times I have heard a prediction. It was from over the pulpit within a sermon. The preacher, prophet, evangelist wasn't even mindful of what he was saying. Meaning, he wasn't calling out old Sister Foofoofnick, and telling her that she left the cheesy corn bake in the oven. No, he was reading mail. Other times in private, and after a prayer meeting. Still there are those who can nail it whenever and to whoever. So, Trump remains president, the swamp is finally exposed, all wrongs get righted, and everything is made new again. Great, can't wait. Because I dread what it will be like with a decrepit old fool as a leader of what's left of this country. But worse than that is that cackling broom flyer becoming president. Yet, even worse, the cackling broom flyer and that murderous old hag. Together in the White House. Kiss this country asti spumante! Because down the toilet it will go with the spewing flow.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Listen closely to what former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. says in this video "all eyes are on Pennsylvania."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAlG_Bf5cCk&ab_channel=OneAmericaNewsNetwork

[Amanah]

I guess at least some eyes are on PA

Pennsylvania 2020 election results: why all eyes are on Biden's home state
Joe Biden is expected to pick up a majority of the more than one million postal ballots still to be counted

Pennsylvania: Philadelphia 'still counting' votes and 'won't stop' after Trump claims victory
Marcus Parekh Dominic Penna
7 NOVEMBER 2020 • 1:20 PM

Donald Trump claimed on Wednesday morning he was winning Pennsylvania by a "tremendous amount" with the fate of both campaigns hanging on the key state.

But with 99 per cent of votes counted, Joe Biden has overtaken Mr Trump with 49.6 per cent to 49.1 per cent.

Democrats have pointed to the fact that the state's postal vote count is still not complete, with Mr Biden expected to pick up a majority of those votes in the state.

In Pennsylvania, ballots postmarked by November 3 can be accepted if they arrive up to three days after the election.

At present, Mr Biden is approximately 28,000 votes ahead of Mr Trump; after tens of thousands of votes from typically Democratic areas are yet to be announced.

The most anticipated of these remaining ballets will come from the city of Philadelphia, who are expected to announce their results in the coming hours.

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney said President Trump needed to "put his big boy pants on" and accept that he had lost the election. (Video below)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/07/pennsylvania-2020-election-results-who-win-trump-biden-swing-state/

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris Reed
6h ·
This is the original Pennsylvania prophetic word from august 20. You can see the date below. I think it’s very important to keep praying about !
https://www.facebook.com/100052451283524/posts/164263921998650/?d=n

Chris Reed
August 20 ·
������Prophetic word! ������. Pennsylvania, the nation is looking to you!
This afternoon I had a powerful vision, an open vision that is very significant and consequential to America and the upcoming presidential election. In the vision I saw a map of United States, and I saw a person standing on each particular state from all 50 states and they were looking at me.
Then I saw the Calendar, as each page flipped representing the different months. August turned over, then September, then October. As I saw the month of November 2020, all of the people that were standing on each state looking at me turned their face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.
It was as if the whole nation - every single state - was looking at the state of Pennsylvania. The state, of course, that contains Philadelphia. A city that represents so much of the history and the founding of our nation. Philadelphia was the site of the first and second Continental Congresses (in 1774 and 1775, respectively). The latter of the two produced the Declaration of Independence, sparking the American Revolution. I then saw president George Washington standing in Pennsylvania. Then President Trump came and stood beside him. George Washington put his arm around President Trump and spoke these words to him: “You are leading the second revolution to free America from socialism. The whole nation is looking to Pennsylvania once again to declare independence from socialism, radical ideology, and an anti-Christ agenda; to restore it back to its foundations, and to truly keep America great!”
I believe there is spiritual warfare surrounding the state of Pennsylvania in regards to the coming presidential election. I believe it will be a state of great consequence. I also know Joe Biden was born in Pennsylvania, but left at a young age. I believe with all my heart that a new revolution is being led in this nation, and is fully restoring America back to its founding documents, such as the Declaration of Independence. Men and women of all creeds, colors, and ethnicity will have a truly renewed hope. They will take advantage of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that was first declared in Pennsylvania. Please join me in prayer for the state of Pennsylvania, which represents the founding of our nation, the Revolution, and the Declaration of Independence. Let’s pray that it will lead the charge in restoring America back to the good qualities of our foundation, and that America would truly be one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all! -Chris Reed- 8-20-2020 #share

Chris Reed
19h ·
Pennsylvania prophecy alert !. How “Erie”. Keep your eyes in Erie, Pennsylvania. However, part of the vision I had on august 20, 2020 saw “all eyes on Pennsylvania” ... It’s coming to pass just as The Lord showed me... here’s that part..
“ I suddenly saw each person standing on each state looking at me then turned their whole face and their whole body and looked at the state of Pennsylvania.”
This was on the news at 10:55 on Election Day 2020. #share

Has Chris Reed made any comments?

[Amanah]

Has Chris Reed made any comments?

If I see anything, I'll post it

[Evang.Benincasa]

If I see anything, I'll post it

I'm honestly interested. I just finished talking with my older sister. She was a hardcore Trumper. She is pretty upset. Disappointed. I know a lot of people who were total all the way Donald Trump. Who right now are not feeling so good. But even worse, they are sickened to their soul over having an absolute farce as a president and vice president. Don't get me wrong, Trump was never my cup of tea. But not too many presidents were. But so many people wanted to believe all the prophecy concerning this election. There are so many who prophesied concerning the election. Who now seem to have egg on their face. Hey, but what do I know. Maybe we will wake up one morning and they will have all the evidence that Trump won. Then all the prophets will be able to work all that into the dreams, visions, and the time Jesus told them that Trump was going to win? Time proves all things.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARszrTnvKSg&ab_channel=OpenHeavenChurch

[Evang.Benincasa]

If I see anything, I'll post it

Any word from Chris yet?

Will Trump be president?

[Amanah]

He may have mentioned it in his Sabbath message:
"Sons of Zadok and Issachar"

https://youtu.be/0cnuKrmun8o

.....

[Evang.Benincasa]

He may have mentioned it in his Sabbath message:
"Sons of Zadok and Issachar"

https://youtu.be/0cnuKrmun8o

.....

I tried watching it and came up to the part where he said there was a "time stamp" on his message. About all eyes on Pennsylvania. He is indicating that we are to remember that he had said this things back in August. Therefore the most important thing here is himself. Chris has to have everyone know how important it is that he said these things before they will happen. But be that as it may. Sister Amanah I will watch it in its entirety, but could you give me the most important highlights?

[Amanah]

I tried watching it and came up to the part where he said there was a "time stamp" on his message. About all eyes on Pennsylvania. He is indicating that we are to remember that he had said this things back in August. Therefore the most important thing here is himself. Chris has to have everyone know how important it is that he said these things before they will happen. But be that as it may. Sister Amanah I will watch it in its entirety, but could you give me the most important highlights?

Brother, I skimmed through it trying to see if he mentioned the election, he did not retract his statement, but he seemed uneasy about the outcome.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Brother, I skimmed through it trying to see if he mentioned the election, he did not retract his statement, but he seemed uneasy about the outcome.

Thank you sister. I’ll watch the video and give my thoughts. :thumbsup

[Amanah]

Chris Reed
1h ·
I have kept silent the last few days since the election. Before the election I publicly said I felt uncertainty about the election.
However, today I had a visitation of The Lord and tomorrow at 2 pm I will share it on sid Roth’s “it’s supernatural” broadcast
and at 5 pm eastern I’ll be sharing it on a live video with Elijah list. All eastern times. I’ll share them both when they are available.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris Reed
1h ·
I have kept silent the last few days since the election. Before the election I publicly said I felt uncertainty about the election.
However, today I had a visitation of The Lord and tomorrow at 2 pm I will share it on sid Roth’s “it’s supernatural” broadcast
and at 5 pm eastern I’ll be sharing it on a live video with Elijah list. All eastern times. I’ll share them both when they are available.

Well, Sid Roth gets a plug. I guess (as Eddie Hall says) we have to do a little business first. OK, still will be interesting how we will see the young lad work it all out. It becomes like proving a doctrine. He will take his visions and current events which are unfolding and guide us all through it and how it all fits together. Might well be interesting.

[Amanah]

Bro Chris shares his vision on Sid Roth Show. Forward to 9 minutes into the video

https://youtu.be/JJ5ncTRmCCc

[TJJJ]

So it has been 10 days since the election...

Is Pennsylvania still important?

Or....

Are we just looking at another false prophecy?

Just wondering.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris is pretty ingenious. I watched the whole thing. Chris can't lose. No matter which way this thing goes he will look untouched and as clean as newly fallen snow.

[diakonos]

I really need to learn how to do this.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZbLKEz1GvI&ab_channel=MessengerSent

[Steven Avery]

Chris is pretty ingenious. I watched the whole thing. Chris can't lose. No matter which way this thing goes he will look untouched and as clean as newly fallen snow. That is one of the advanced tricks they teach at the CMA, in the Prophecy elective.

Are we sure that the Christian Mentalist Academy where Chris Reed studied is accredited?

[Amanah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZbLKEz1GvI&ab_channel=MessengerSent

you win brother, this woman put me in a coma.

[Evang.Benincasa]

you win brother, this woman put me in a coma.


I'll have more as the dates approach. I struggled to listen to this person. But I usually struggle to listen to all of them. When it is the real deal, there is NO STRUGGLE. It is Jesus and through the prophet of God Jesus has your attention.

[Evang.Benincasa]

That is one of the advanced tricks they teach at the CMA, in the Prophecy elective.

It may be a little political doublespeak, combined with a sprinkling of Derren Brown.

[UnTraditional]

An uncovering is taking place.

[votivesoul]

Someone sent me a Todd White video. This one, in fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-uzDa7rf4

Out of respect for the person who sent it, I decided I would watch it. I figured, it's only twelve some minutes long, right?

So, I start up the clip and watch the beginning spiel. Okay, fine. Then the vid cuts to him speaking to a church, and okay, here we go. But then, before he gets into what he wants to say, he begins to pray, and calls on Jesus. And right there, I had to stop. I couldn't watch or listen anymore. Listening to someone talk is one thing. I don't know if it was hearing a man pray to the Lord while showing such dishonor to Christ by having long hair or what it was, but I couldn't listen.

So, if you can stomach it and care to share the cliff notes, be my guest.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Someone sent me a Todd White video. This one, in fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-uzDa7rf4

Out of respect for the person who sent it, I decided I would watch it. I figured, it's only twelve some minutes long, right?

So, I start up the clip and watch the beginning spiel. Okay, fine. Then the vid cuts to him speaking to a church, and okay, here we go. But then, before he gets into what he wants to say, he begins to pray, and calls on Jesus. And right there, I had to stop. I couldn't watch or listen anymore. Listening to someone talk is one thing. I don't know if it was hearing a man pray to the Lord while showing such dishonor to Christ by having long hair or what it was, but I couldn't listen.

So, if you can stomach it and care to share the cliff notes, be my guest.

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

I guess going to the gym hadn't help Todd boost his testosterone levels.
So, he has dreads like a Hindu Sadhu, and is cringy as Misty Edwards. All these guys are kooky spooky new age type cringe Christianity. But I tried, I really tried to get through it. But I couldn't. :heeheehee

[Evang.Benincasa]

37:15 to 37:21

Good God in Zion!

[votivesoul]

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

I guess going to the gym hadn't help Todd boost his testosterone levels.
So, he has dreads like a Hindu Sadhu, and is cringy as Misty Edwards. All these guys are kooky spooky new age type cringe Christianity. But I tried, I really tried to get through it. But I couldn't. :heeheehee

I am no Gunga Din, brother.

This is the first I've heard him speak, but I've heard of him. I hear the same things you do, in his voice. My guess is there are a lot of silly women laden with sins tuning into him on a fairly regular basis.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I am no Gunga Din, brother.

This is the first I've heard him speak, but I've heard of him. I hear the same things you do, in his voice. My guess is there are a lot of silly women laden with sins tuning into him on a fairly regular basis.

It is creepy with his whole channeling the "Holy" Spirit?

You see we are coming to the epoch of the "woke" church. Far past the abandoning of separation of dress. The Churchanity had to be "relevant" to the culture around it. Again changing Jesus into their own image. Church in pajamas, with Nike slides. Everyone spiritual, everyone woke, everyone having a god who loves everyone, who wants everyone to be themselves. Come as you are, and stay as you are.

[Evang.Benincasa]

This joker goes on for 6 minutes and 40 seconds saying absolutely NOTHING!!!

He goes on about how God is gonna break loose, and when He does break loose, YOU are gonna know it?

Really?

Yet, if you watch this video on YouTubes he has all his followers and listeners replying to what he is saying. They are responding like it is manna from heaven. Plus, he has women donating money. Everytime they give to him the amount scrolls up with their name and icon. What's funny, is that you can watch his reactions as they throw money at him. I guess prophets make a profit?

Good God in Zion!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAfC6Rsxeo&ab_channel=PropheticDriveTime%21

[Evang.Benincasa]

Anything new from Chris Reed?

[Esaias]

Someone sent me a Todd White video. This one, in fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-uzDa7rf4

Out of respect for the person who sent it, I decided I would watch it. I figured, it's only twelve some minutes long, right?

So, I start up the clip and watch the beginning spiel. Okay, fine. Then the vid cuts to him speaking to a church, and okay, here we go. But then, before he gets into what he wants to say, he begins to pray, and calls on Jesus. And right there, I had to stop. I couldn't watch or listen anymore. Listening to someone talk is one thing. I don't know if it was hearing a man pray to the Lord while showing such dishonor to Christ by having long hair or what it was, but I couldn't listen.

So, if you can stomach it and care to share the cliff notes, be my guest.

Couldn't get through more than a minute or two of him. Honestly, he strikes me as a roided up 3 dollar bill gym rat.

I don't if he is, but that's the vibe he gives off.

[Amanah]

Feeling dissillutioned with stuff right now from politics to so called prophecy and endtimes. I have this eerie feeling that other than the solid rock of the Word, we surely are on sinking, shifting, sand. And worst of all I wonder if we are in tune enough with the Spirit to receive a sure rhema word.

[Amanah]

1 kings 22
7 But Jehoshaphat asked, “Is there no longer a prophet(G) of the Lord here whom we can inquire(H) of?”
8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat, “There is still one prophet through whom we can inquire of the Lord, but I hate(I) him because he never prophesies anything good(J) about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah.”
“The king should not say such a thing,” Jehoshaphat replied.
9 So the king of Israel called one of his officials and said, “Bring Micaiah son of Imlah at once.”
10 Dressed in their royal robes, the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah were sitting on their thrones at the threshing floor(K) by the entrance of the gate of Samaria, with all the prophets prophesying before them. 11 Now Zedekiah(L) son of Kenaanah had made iron horns(M) and he declared, “This is what the Lord says: ‘With these you will gore the Arameans until they are destroyed.’”
12 All the other prophets were prophesying the same thing. “Attack Ramoth Gilead and be victorious,” they said, “for the Lord will give it into the king’s hand.”
13 The messenger who had gone to summon Micaiah said to him, “Look, the other prophets without exception are predicting success for the king. Let your word agree with theirs, and speak favorably.”(N)
14 But Micaiah said, “As surely as the Lord lives, I can tell him only what the Lord tells me.”(O)
15 When he arrived, the king asked him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or not?”
“Attack and be victorious,” he answered, “for the Lord will give it into the king’s hand.”
16 The king said to him, “How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered(P) on the hills like sheep without a shepherd,(Q) and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”

[Amanah]

After I typed that, God gave me

1 peter 2
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Couldn't get through more than a minute or two of him. Honestly, he strikes me as a roided up 3 dollar bill gym rat.

I don't if he is, but that's the vibe he gives off.

Oh he lifts, doesn't look like he is on the juice. But all that spirit channeling voodoo is so creepy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Feeling dissillutioned with stuff right now from politics to so called prophecy and endtimes. I have this eerie feeling that other than the solid rock of the Word, we surely are on sinking, shifting, sand. And worst of all I wonder if we are in tune enough with the Spirit to receive a sure rhema word.

I'm feeling pretty good. I have a lot of things going on around me that isn't so good. But everyone is moving in a forward direction. Church family is doing great, in Florida, Colombia, Mexico, and Panama. My whole thing is this, if we can't find joy, while we are contending with the ground troops, how will we deal when facing the calvary? We sing a song, "Jesus is Lord, hallelujah, I don't care what the devil wants to do, because the Word of FAITH is my sword and shield. Jesus is the Lord of the way I feel." Feel as in behavior, meaning whatever the devil throws at us my behavior has to be overcoming the obstacle. It's great to see a church family hoop and holler that they are going to get through great tribulation. Post trib shouting their hair down, hair pins, oatmeal box and all. But to honestly believe that we must go through tribulation is to embrace it when it happens. It doesn't feel good, it doesn't look good. It makes us feel bad at times. But Jesus knows how to sharpen us on that whet stone of life. Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Jesus loves us as a good Father. Like the Hebrew children who didn't back down. They were in a worse situation then any of us are currently in. They were facing the leader of the government. Which when asked if their God was able to save them. They answered yes. But they also said even if he didn't they still wouldn't bow.

[mfblume]

The linked video is an interesting episode of Sid Roth with Chris Reed discussing William Branham and Paul Cain.

https://youtu.be/vAspOxaJC7g

Below is a video by Billy Cole talking about Spiritual Gifts and the dangers of operating the gifts.

https://youtu.be/9elvCw7GTUI

I personally know Chris Reed. I keep in touch with him. H was on a virtual service one Sunday for our church and genuinely called out 13 of my own mother's siblings and their spouses. He is apostolic and legit. Branham also0 genuinely used the gifts, though got into false doctrine. Interesting how Branham and Reed are both oneness and blew away these others.

But gifts do not determine one's spirituality.

[diakonos]

I personally know Chris Reed. I keep in touch with him. H was on a virtual service one Sunday for our church and genuinely called out 13 of my own mother's siblings and their spouses. He is apostolic and legit. Branham also0 genuinely used the gifts, though got into false doctrine. Interesting how Branham and Reed are both oneness and blew away these others.

But gifts do not determine one's spirituality.

Uhh.. did you watch where he said he started having dreams after studying Branham?

[mfblume]

Uhh.. did you watch where he said he started having dreams after studying Branham?

Yeah. It's the same thing as seeing someone minister and getting faith to do so yourself. The gifts of the Spirit are the sorts of things that when you see them as a believer, you get your faith increased. Having dreams of using the gifts is no different than me dreaming I am preaching or dreaming I am casting out devils. I've dreamed of all these things.

Dreaming is more often than not simply a reflection of what's on your mind the most. And when I was a kid I made myself dream of batman once, by thinking and thinking of batman. And I did! lol

So if someone is seeking use in the gifts, it's not uncommon to dream about that, IMHO. And it could be God as well, since God does give dreams, too.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I personally know Chris Reed. I keep in touch with him. H was on a virtual service one Sunday for our church and genuinely called out 13 of my own mother's siblings and their spouses. He is apostolic and legit. Branham also0 genuinely used the gifts, though got into false doctrine. Interesting how Branham and Reed are both oneness and blew away these others.

But gifts do not determine one's spirituality.

There are no instances in the New or Old Testament where family members were called out.

[Michael The Disciple]

There are no instances in the New or Old Testament where family members were called out.

1 Samuel 10:1-2

1Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance? 2When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son?

[Evang.Benincasa]

1 Samuel 10:1-2

1Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance? 2When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son?

Mike this was done to anoint a king.

These were specific instructions and not meant to be done as a practice.

[Steven Avery]

I personally know Chris Reed. .... on a virtual service one Sunday for our church and genuinely called out 13 of my own mother's siblings and their spouses. .... blew away these others. Who are these others? A couple of Youtubers?
Or some specific charismatic Trinitarians (like Sid Roth would normally have on).

Was there anything qualitatively different in the calling out than there was in the Sid Roth vid in the OP?

Thanks!

[mfblume]

There are no instances in the New or Old Testament where family members were called out.

I don't think it's necessary to have every specific instance of how the word of knowledge operates in the Bible for it to be of God. Jesus told Nathanael his name and where he was.

The point of the words about the family members included the thought that prayers for generations had taken place for family members, and that those prayers have gone up before God as a memorial and they are effective and working still today.

That struck the family members the most, since they started saying that was precisely the burden they had seeing as many family members had backslidden and they all sought God for generations.

[mfblume]

Who are these others? A couple of Youtubers?
Or some specific charismatic Trinitarians (like Sid Roth would normally have on).

Was there anything qualitatively different in the calling out than there was in the Sid Roth vid in the OP?

Thanks!



Yes...

Background. My mother was used mightily in the Spirit as a teen and prophesied of a couple of false prophets coming by their church. It later did happen and the church was prepared to deal with them. My mother had not been used in the last several years like that, though. And Reed foretold her being used again, not knowing she had been used to that degree. And mom told me the other week she gave a word for the first time in years, and the church exploded into a burden of worship and prayer.

[mfblume]

Mike this was done to anoint a king.

These were specific instructions and not meant to be done as a practice.

But it still shows God revealing to someone something that was actual and could not be known but by God's revelation. Anointing a king was a unique situation, but not every king had this happen when they were anointed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I don't think it's necessary to have every specific instance of how the word of knowledge operates in the Bible for it to be of God. Jesus told Nathanael his name and where he was.

The point of the words about the family members included the thought that prayers for generations had taken place for family members, and that those prayers have gone up before God as a memorial and they are effective and working still today.

That struck the family members the most, since they started saying that was precisely the burden they had seeing as many family members had backslidden and they all sought God for generations.

Brother you and I always point to how they operated in the New Testament.
Also plenty, and I do mean plenty, of non Christians operate the same way with telling names of family members, dead and alive. Things which have taken place. They are famous for doing these things. Anyway, a lot has been said of late concerning this election. Which wasn’t done in a corner. I hope the young chap was right. Time proves all things.

[Evang.Benincasa]

But it still shows God revealing to someone something that was actual and could not be known but by God's revelation. Anointing a king was a unique situation, but not every king had this happen when they were anointed.

Like I said, there are many who are able to tell you about old cousin Virgil, Aunt Willa Mae Swampgizzard and her three children. They are world famous, and are also explainable.

[mfblume]

Like I said, there are many who are able to tell you about old cousin Virgil, Aunt Willa Mae Swampgizzard and her three children. They are world famous, and are also explainable.

But God can do it as well. I happened to me in a couple of instances while ministering to people.

[mfblume]

Brother you and I always point to how they operated in the New Testament.
Also plenty, and I do mean plenty, of non Christians operate the same way with telling names of family members, dead and alive. Things which have taken place. They are famous for doing these things. Anyway, a lot has been said of late concerning this election. Which wasn’t done in a corner. I hope the young chap was right. Time proves all things.

:thumbsup

I'm just saying that, to me, ensuring someone calls out names of family members in the NT before believing God does that is like saying no one in the NT was healed of a broken elbow. And as Jesus named Nathanael and told him where he was under a fig tree, non-Christians do that, too.

[Evang.Benincasa]

:thumbsup

I'm just saying that, to me, ensuring someone calls out names of family members in the NT before believing God does that is like saying no one in the NT was healed of a broken elbow. And as Jesus named Nathanael and told him where he was under a fig tree, non-Christians do that, too.

Yes.

Richard Alpert (Baba Ram Dass) tells about how he meet his Guru Neem karoli baba. How Guru Neem karoli baba read Richard Alpert's mail concerning the recent death of Alpert's mother. Which the very night before the meeting, Mr Alpert was gazing up into the stars and was thinking of the death of his mother. Guru Neem karoli baba tells Richard Alpert exactly what he was doing under the night sky before their meeting. Bhagwan Dass an American who was with Mr Alpert during this meeting associates what happens with Jesus. So, yes, these things happen with non Christians. ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. Yet, these things are not what we are to be known for. Because there are so many others who are known for doing them as well. brother Blume, I have had many experiences with people who would read mail, and for tell future events. From my experiences it was always those who were nobodies, but were use for specific moments. But most of the guys who are taking the center ring, and under the spot light, usually are using other methods which aren't God. Just my opinion my dear brother and friend. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVlf9As9Eag&ab_channel=MrVikas07

[Evang.Benincasa]

But God can do it as well. I happened to me in a couple of instances while ministering to people.

Happened to you a couple of instances while you were ministering. Of course, but it isn't the vehicle which powers your ministry. You are a teacher, your ministry is holistic. If you start telling someone where their car keys are located, it is just a micro amount of what God uses you to do. I understand that Chris is a friend of yours. Ok, but Chris is no Michael Blume.

[mfblume]

Happened to you a couple of instances while you were ministering. Of course, but it isn't the vehicle which powers your ministry. You are a teacher, your ministry is holistic. If you start telling someone where their car keys are located, it is just a micro amount of what God uses you to do. I understand that Chris is a friend of yours. Ok, but Chris is no Michael Blume.

To be fair, when you watch his church videos, he preaches and goes into some good depth in pastoring.

[Steven Avery]

And Reed foretold her being used again, not knowing she had been used to that degree. This does not sound much different than the mentalist stuff on the Sid Roth show,

[mfblume]

This does not sound much different than the mentalist stuff on the Sid Roth show,

Yeah, and it sounds like what Jesus did with Nathanael and then said the things He did would we do because He goes to the Father
It gives glory to God.

Recall that the issue of how the world does things the people God do is all made the difference in whether or not it leads people to God. It did not say the people of the world could not do these things. It said the world will not lead to God with it.

[TJJJ]

William branham was a prophet who was led astray....

If Reed is following the same path then he will get to the same place.

Just saying.

[mfblume]

William branham was a prophet who was led astray....

If Reed is following the same path then he will get to the same place.

Just saying.

If Branham was led astray, why would Reed be led astray if he manifests the same God-given gifts. Was not Branham genuinely used of God before being led astray? It's like saying Jesus operated by a Spirit guide because He called out Nathanael's name, and everyone who operates the gifts will be led away later. We can't say Reed is following the same path as Branham just because he is used similarly by God.

I actually know people who believe that if you are used deeply in the gifts then you will backslide eventually. Do you believe that?

Branham was led astray by exalting himself as the seventh angel fo Revelation. Not because he used gifts of the Spirit.

[TJJJ]

If Branham was led astray, why would Reed be led astray if he manifests the same God-given gifts. Was not Branham genuinely used of God before being led astray? It's like saying Jesus operated by a Spirit guide because He called out Nathanael's name, and everyone who operates the gifts will be led away later. We can't say Reed is following the same path as Branham just because he is used similarly by God.

I actually know people who believe that if you are used deeply in the gifts then you will backslide eventually. Do you believe that?

Branham was led astray by exalting himself as the seventh angel fo Revelation. Not because he used gifts of the Spirit.

Well Mike, Branham was led astray. If Reed is on the same path then he also will come to the same results. It's like saying if someone heads south on I-7 then they will get to such and such city.

1-This is not a slam against either, it is just a judgment call. Like saying if something is round and orange then it is probably an orange.

2- I absolutely do not believe that if a person is used in the gifts then they will backslide.

3- Branham was led astray by a deceptive spirit that convinced him of a lie. He was listening to that spirit long before he "fell".

[Steven Avery]

Yeah, and it sounds like what Jesus did with Nathanael and then said the things That comparison sounds blasphemous.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yeah, and it sounds like what Jesus did with Nathanael and then said the things

Brother Blume, there are a circumstances which many things which were done by Jesus were done by others in different religions. Because Jesus did it, and someone else did it, doesn't give anyone else credibility. Look at it this way. I posted a video about Neem Karoli Baba. In that video Bhagwan Dass (Kermit Michael Riggs) gives credibility to Neem Karoli Baba by associating him with Jesus and the woman at the well John 4:11-19. Brother Blume, Chris Reed is your friend. Great, I hope you have a good and fruitful fellowship. Do I believe in the prophetic? Of course I do. Do I advocate everyone I have ever heard say thus saith the Lord? No. Because like Neem Karoli Baba, and many others they aren't hitting on all cylinders. When Neem Karoli Baba read Richard Alpert's mail, Richard Alpert became Baba Ram Dass. Meaning, we can impact people to follow us instead of following Christ.
Mr Branham has an entire religion named after him. The Church he started is called Branham's tabernacle. Not saying your friend will follow suit, because he has you as his friend. You will be able to help your friend to see and avoid those pitfalls. Other people here are voicing their opinions because we can see certain things which may happen. Again, not setting anything in stone, but the possibilities are there. Chris on Sid Roth I pointed out how he makes his final comment. He left himself (what I believe) as a bit of wiggle room. But, I hope (for his sake) that what he spoke comes true.

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsgrBtGYNs&ab_channel=TheFinanceHub

[Amanah]

Cody Marks preaching "Cut it out"

https://youtu.be/hVC72ZM0Sdc

If any message is prophetic, this is

[jediwill83]

Cody Marks preaching "Cut it out"

https://youtu.be/hVC72ZM0Sdc

If any message is prophetic, this is


How is this prophetic? Its your standard "slippery slope" message. Not trying to be disrespectful...maybe Im not spiritual enough but thats what Im getting.


You know, if we focused more on the Word instead of what we "felt" in our services, becoming "desensitized" wouldn't be nearly the issue we are making it out to be.


You will never be able to push peoples buttons better than the folks getting paid to do it so maybe stop trying to beat them at their own game and focus on what they CANT replicate and then maybe you wont have to play the "its desensitizing" card on your 7 year old when he makes the argument about being able to read the kids story but he cant watch it.

[Amanah]

Marks' point is that people are so distracted and influenced by media, entertainment, sports, news, that it is sapping the life out of the church. And it is so pervasive that ministry cant point to specifics to preach against (ie TV), but individuals need to come to the place of taking a sword and cutting out the ungodly influence out of our lives.

I can't wait for or depend on a preacher to draw a line in the sand. I'm going to let the Spirit lead and check me.

We need to "save ourselves" from this ungodly influence.

We need to grow up and take responsibility for our salvation. Instead of joining forces with mega superstar tv personality preachers, we need to preach the gospel on the streets of our cities one on one, preaching the cross.

[Nicodemus1968]

Marks' point is that people are so distracted and influenced by media, entertainment, sports, news, that it is sapping the life out of the church. And it is so pervasive that ministry cant point to specifics to preach against (ie TV), but individuals need to come to the place of taking a sword and cutting out the ungodly influence out of our lives.

I can't wait for or depend on a preacher to draw a line in the sand. I'm going to let the Spirit lead and check me.

We need to "save ourselves" from this ungodly influence.

We need to grow up and take responsibility for our salvation. Instead of joining forces with mega superstar tv personality preachers, we need to preach the gospel on the streets of our cities one on one, preaching the cross.

Does that mean online/mainstream Prophets?

[Amanah]

Does that mean online/mainstream Prophets?

Especially

[Amanah]

Paul Cain Prophecy for Chris Reed

https://youtu.be/PSW5JzIzZLs

[Evang.Benincasa]

Christina Bobb: Trump will get his second term

https://rumble.com/vbpi97-christina-bobb-trump-will-get-his-second-term.html

This video was taken off YouTubes right quick. But I found it on this site. Don't how long it will last.

[Jito463]

This video was taken off YouTubes right quick.

Youtube has implemented a policy of removing any video that questions the integrity of the presidential elections. Supposedly, that's been their "long standing" policy. You know, like all those videos still on YT that questions the 2016 election. Like the video of Shrillary herself saying in 2019 that "He knows he's an illegitimate president. He knows. He knows." :ohplease

[Evang.Benincasa]

Youtube has implemented a policy of removing any video that questions the integrity of the presidential elections. Supposedly, that's been their "long standing" policy. You know, like all those videos still on YT that questions the 2016 election. Like the video of Shrillary herself saying in 2019 that "He knows he's an illegitimate president. He knows. He knows.":ohplease

:lol

[Amanah]

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark, and the Hawaiian shirted soothsayer is vindicated whomever is seated in January, because Trump is the lawful president.

[Nicodemus1968]

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark, and the Hawaiian shirted soothsayer is vindicated whomever is seated in January because Trump is the lawful president.

???

[Evang.Benincasa]

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark, and the Hawaiian shirted soothsayer is vindicated whomever is seated in January, because Trump is the lawful president.

Yes, and Pennsylvania and George Washington will vindicate Trump.

[Birddog]

Let's face it folks, Trump is on his way out, Biden is the pick of the shadow government, the little person has found out that their vote really doesn't matter, it probably isn't going to change much in the long run...

Depending on the state that you live in it can get better or it can get worse.

I live in a state where Mormons run it and you are kidding yourself if you think that they are going to let anything come between them and their god... money.

Now if you are living on the West Coast, I feel sorry for you. It must stink to be you.

You are going to be living in a third world country very quickly.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Let's face it folks, Trump is on his way out, Biden is the pick of the shadow government, the little person has found out that their vote really doesn't matter, it probably isn't going to change much in the long run...

Depending on the state that you live in it can get better or it can get worse.

I live in a state where Mormons run it and you are kidding yourself if you think that they are going to let anything come between them and their god... money.

Now if you are living on the West Coast, I feel sorry for you. It must stink to be you.

You are going to be living in a third world country very quickly.

It still isn't over until the fat Hawaiian sings.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Let's face it folks, Trump is on his way out, Biden is the pick of the shadow government, the little person has found out that their vote really doesn't matter, it probably isn't going to change much in the long run...

Depending on the state that you live in it can get better or it can get worse.

I live in a state where Mormons run it and you are kidding yourself if you think that they are going to let anything come between them and their god... money.

Now if you are living on the West Coast, I feel sorry for you. It must stink to be you.

You are going to be living in a third world country very quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GthLDuUAaDA&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=pomfritz04

[Monterrey]

You ever notice that nobody can get mad like a Jezebel false prophet can get mad!!!!

Bwahahahahahahaha

[TJJJ]

Whoops, looks like the fat Hawaiian sang, or sumpin like that.

[TJJJ]

Any word yet from Chris Reed? Paula White?

[diakonos]

From Reed’s FB page



Today (dec 18) marks 55 years since the car accident that eventually claimed the life of William Branham. Without a doubt, he was the greatest prophetic voice to the church since the days of the first century apostles. He was probably the most misunderstood man as well. A well-known Assemblies of God minister said this of his life “ ‘The story of the life of William Branham is so out of this world and beyond the ordinary that, were there not available a host of infallible proofs which document and attest its authenticity, one might well be excused from considering it farfetched and incredible." (Gordon Lindsay, A Man Sent From God, p9). I for one am closer to God because of his ministry. 

[Nicodemus1968]

From Reed’s FB page

This is from the book written by the man that prophesied William Branhams death.

“At the end of ’65, he who now stands in the forefront of the healing ministry as a prophet will be taken out of the way. He’ll make a false step and Satan shall destroy his life, but his spirit will be saved, and his works will follow him. Ere ’66 shall come, he shall be gone.”

Its sad Mr. Reed idolizes this man. I would understand you can glean from the good points he had, then reject the obvious satanic doctrines he came to believe. I really hope and pray that Mr. Reed doesn’t end up in the place the man he follows is.

[Michael The Disciple]

This is from the book written by the man that prophesied William Branhams death.

“At the end of ’65, he who now stands in the forefront of the healing ministry as a prophet will be taken out of the way. He’ll make a false step and Satan shall destroy his life, but his spirit will be saved, and his works will follow him. Ere ’66 shall come, he shall be gone.”

Its sad Mr. Reed idolizes this man. I would understand you can glean from the good points he had, then reject the obvious satanic doctrines he came to believe. I really hope and pray that Mr. Reed doesn’t end up in the place the man he follows is.

That man was Kenneth Hagin? KH then believed that Branham made it into Heaven and you apparently believe he is burning in Hell? What were the satanic doctrines briefly?

[Nicodemus1968]

That man was Kenneth Hagin? KH then believed that Branham made it into Heaven and you apparently believe he is burning in Hell? What were the satanic doctrines briefly?

Branham a teaching.

He taught that the fall in the garden was connected to an adulterous affair Eve had with the serpent.

He believed he was the 7th angel to proclaim the word in the age of the Laodicean time.

He believed God is not omnipresent

He believed the Catholic Church was mystery Babylon.

He believed that those who do not believe in “the message” are lower class believers.

He used to tell his followers that he wanted to be poor and all his money is donated to missionaries. Well, at his death he had a couple million left in his account, that was probably just taking longer than usually to make it to the foreign field.

[Nicodemus1968]

That man was Kenneth Hagin? KH then believed that Branham made it into Heaven and you apparently believe he is burning in Hell? What were the satanic doctrines briefly?

Also, I’m not saying he is in hell. I’m saying he took a turn in his walk and his beliefs started taking a turn for the worse. And according to that prophecy, Satan killed him. So, my whole point is, of Mr. Reed wants to continue idolizing this man, he end up where he went. And to be honest, I wonder if Mr. Reed believes in Acts 2:38 as salvation anymore? I wonder if he still believes in 1 God???

[Esaias]

From Reed’s FB page

The greatest prophetic voice in the century?

What did he prophesy, exactly?

[Michael The Disciple]

Branham a teaching.

He taught that the fall in the garden was connected to an adulterous affair Eve had with the serpent.

He believed he was the 7th angel to proclaim the word in the age of the Laodicean time.

He believed God is not omnipresent

He believed the Catholic Church was mystery Babylon.

He believed that those who do not believe in “the message” are lower class believers.

He used to tell his followers that he wanted to be poor and all his money is donated to missionaries. Well, at his death he had a couple million left in his account, that was probably just taking longer than usually to make it to the foreign field.

It is satanic to believe Mystery Babylon is the Catholic Church?

I find it extremely hard to believe that Branham denied God is omnipresent.

This is the first time I ever heard he died a millionaire. Always heard he labored hard to pay off a 40 thousand dollar tax debt till the day he died.

[Michael The Disciple]

Also, I’m not saying he is in hell. I’m saying he took a turn in his walk and his beliefs started taking a turn for the worse. And according to that prophecy, Satan killed him. So, my whole point is, of Mr. Reed wants to continue idolizing this man, he end up where he went. And to be honest, I wonder if Mr. Reed believes in Acts 2:38 as salvation anymore? I wonder if he still believes in 1 God???

Sorry I took that to mean where he went was Hell.

[Evang.Benincasa]

It is satanic to believe Mystery Babylon is the Catholic Church?

I find it extremely hard to believe that Branham denied God is omnipresent.

This is the first time I ever heard he died a millionaire. Always heard he labored hard to pay off a 40 thousand dollar tax debt till the day he died.

Mike, was Branham saved?

[Nicodemus1968]

It is satanic to believe Mystery Babylon is the Catholic Church?

I find it extremely hard to believe that Branham denied God is omnipresent.

This is the first time I ever heard he died a millionaire. Always heard he labored hard to pay off a 40 thousand dollar tax debt till the day he died.

Read the history of when his son took over the business. The amount I believe I read was, 2.1 million. I’m not saying it’s wrong to have that much money. What I’m saying is, this man went around and told people he was extremely poor, and all the money went to missions. And he may have an intention of giving it away, I don’t know. His ministry didn’t end like it began.

I don’t believe that if a person sees the Catholic Church as mystery Babylon that means there satanic. I just giving a list of what he believed. Sorry about that.

He believed God was confined to space, therefore was not omnipresent.

He also believed in predestination.

He may have started off correct, I believe he was very much used of God. Yet, when he left the Pentecostal movement and started working with the assembly of gods that’s when he started to change. He started adapting doctrine that even they considered wrong. From there he went into left field and never recovered.

[Michael The Disciple]

Mike, was Branham saved?

Did he believe in Jesus? Did he repent? Was he baptized in Jesus name? Did he receive the Holy Ghost? Did he live in obedience to Christs commands?

If so that would be evidence he was saved.

Many Apostolic believers say that beyond Acts 2:38 and Oneness other doctrinal beliefs are non essential.

If that be true it would be for his good.

I always love hearing the Branham story. More than once it brought me to tears. Of course now that we have the internet we sometimes find out there was more to a persons story than we previously thought. And also there is lots of fake news.

I know where he went when he died. Not Heaven. Not Hell. He went to the grave. The day is coming he like everyone will be judged by him who judges the secrets of the heart.

[Nicodemus1968]

Did he believe in Jesus? Did he repent? Was he baptized in Jesus name? Did he receive the Holy Ghost? Did he live in obedience to Christs commands?

If so that would be evidence he was saved.

Many Apostolic believers say that beyond Acts 2:38 and Oneness other doctrinal beliefs are non essential.

If that be true it would be for his good.

I always love hearing the Branham story. More than once it brought me to tears. Of course now that we have the internet we sometimes find out there was more to a persons story than we previously thought. And also there is lots of fake news.

I know where he went when he died. Not Heaven. Not Hell. He went to the grave. The day is coming he like everyone will be judged by him who judges the secrets of the heart.

That’s sad. He was with Christ while he lived, and now he has to be separated from him while he is in the grave.

[Esaias]

The greatest prophetic voice in the century?

What did he prophesy, exactly?

Anyone?

[Amanah]

Wikipedia:
Prophecies Edit
Branham issued a series of prophecies during his ministry. He claimed to have had a prophetic revelation in June 1933 that predicted seven major events would occur before the Second Coming of Christ.[22] His followers believe he predicted several events, including the 1937 Ohio River Flood.[5] In 1964, Branham said judgement would strike the west coast of the United States and that Los Angeles would sink into the ocean; his most dramatic prediction.[119] Following both the 1933 and 1964 prophecies, Branham predicted the rapture would happen by 1977 and would be preceded by various worldwide disasters, the unification of denominational Christianity, and the rise-to-power of the Roman Catholic Pope.[144] Peter Duyzer, among other of Branham's critics, wrote that either none of Branham's prophecies came true or that they were all made after the fact.[164] Weaver wrote that Branham tended to embellish his predictions over time.[165][i] Branham's followers believe his prophecies came true, or will do so in the future.[160]

[Nicodemus1968]

Anyone?

Some say he prophesied his own death, yet I listened to some of the sermon that was eventually to be his last. And it wasn’t precise, he just said that he will walk through the gate of death. Nothing like, in one week I will be on the other side of that gate of death.

He became very confused after he left the Pentecostal movement. And now with the internet you can search all his sermons and do your own study. Yet, he would denounce the trinity, and then in another sermon he would say, God is 3. He even did that with his serpent seed doctrine. He would proclaim himself as the only voice of God, some of his followers state that this was the second Jesus that came in the flesh.

In the beginning he was indeed used in the gift of healing, yet prophecy was so-so. I wouldn’t consider him a prophet, I would consider him at the beginning of his ministry as a man used by God in the ministry of Healing.

[Monterrey]

William Branham was a false prophet.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Did he believe in Jesus? Did he repent? Was he baptized in Jesus name? Did he receive the Holy Ghost? Did he live in obedience to Christs commands?

He was pretribulation rapture. Branham believed as in the days of Noah, meant that the church would be taken up before the flood (Tribulation) William Branham believed that he was the “Angel” of the CHURCH AGE of Laodicea and in order to go into the pre-tribulation rapture one must accept the Message.

Branham believed that Satan impregnated Eve, and then Adam impregnated her as well. She had two infants created in her womb. One from Satan, and one from Adam. Hence the Serpent Seed. Branham believed the tribulation would be brought on by the Soviet Union. That he was the Ange of mercy which who was preaching the Message right before the tribulation. Branham brings up how Lot was taken out with His family from Sodom. To show how God would not let His church through tribulation.

Mike, was William Branham saved?

[Esaias]

Wikipedia:
Prophecies Edit
Branham issued a series of prophecies during his ministry. He claimed to have had a prophetic revelation in June 1933 that predicted seven major events would occur before the Second Coming of Christ.[22] His followers believe he predicted several events, including the 1937 Ohio River Flood.[5] In 1964, Branham said judgement would strike the west coast of the United States and that Los Angeles would sink into the ocean; his most dramatic prediction.[119] Following both the 1933 and 1964 prophecies, Branham predicted the rapture would happen by 1977 and would be preceded by various worldwide disasters, the unification of denominational Christianity, and the rise-to-power of the Roman Catholic Pope.[144] Peter Duyzer, among other of Branham's critics, wrote that either none of Branham's prophecies came true or that they were all made after the fact.[164] Weaver wrote that Branham tended to embellish his predictions over time.[165][i] Branham's followers believe his prophecies came true, or will do so in the future.[160]

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 KJV
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. [21] And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? [22] When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

[Amanah]

Very disturbing that anyone would want to emulate a false prophet.

[Evang.Benincasa]

How can anyone wear a Hawaiian shirt in Indiana

[Michael The Disciple]

I heard at least one person who was with Branham in ministry say he saw him call out people thousands of times prophesying to them and that he was never wrong. I believed that back in the 80's when I heard it.

Now in the internet age we see testimonies of people saying otherwise. I was not there. I do know he was highly esteemed among Pentecostals in his day.

The Pastor of a Trinitarian Church I went to early on said God took Branham out because he was causing everyone to turn to Oneness.

[Michael The Disciple]

He was pretribulation rapture. Branham believed as in the days of Noah, meant that the church would be taken up before the flood (Tribulation) William Branham believed that he was the “Angel” of the CHURCH AGE of Laodicea and in order to go into the pre-tribulation rapture one must accept the Message.

Branham believed that Satan impregnated Eve, and then Adam impregnated her as well. She had two infants created in her womb. One from Satan, and one from Adam. Hence the Serpent Seed. Branham believed the tribulation would be brought on by the Soviet Union. That he was the Ange of mercy which who was preaching the Message right before the tribulation. Branham brings up how Lot was taken out with His family from Sodom. To show how God would not let His church through tribulation.

Mike, was William Branham saved?

Well among Oneness believers of today judging themselves among themselves if they were consistent they would say he was saved. At least 4 UPC Pastors I know or know of in the last few years have said that the essentials are Oneness and Acts 2:38 and that one need not or even can be perfect.

Jesus said our works must be perfect or we will be blotted out of his book. That cannot be overlooked. On the other hand if the prophecy given by Kenneth Hagin was true it appeared God was showing mercy by taking him in death.

In which case it would be my belief that he must have been given a time before he died to repent of any sin. Maybe he did. Again I dont know. If anyone wants to be certain about their salvation let their works be perfect before God. Rev. 3:1-5

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well among Oneness believers of today judging themselves among themselves if they were consistent they would say he was saved. At least 4 UPC Pastors I know or know of in the last few years have said that the essentials are Oneness and Acts 2:38 and that one need not or even can be perfect.

Jesus said our works must be perfect or we will be blotted out of his book. That cannot be overlooked. On the other hand if the prophecy given by Kenneth Hagin was true it appeared God was showing mercy by taking him in death.

In which case it would be my belief that he must have been given a time before he died to repent of any sin. Maybe he did. Again I dont know. If anyone wants to be certain about their salvation let their works be perfect before God. Rev. 3:1-5

Based on what he believed

As far as YOU are concerned.

Mike, was William Branham saved?

[Michael The Disciple]

Based on what he believed

As far as YOU are concerned.

Mike, was William Branham saved?

I believe he WAS saved at least in past tense. He had repented been baptized and received the Holy Ghost from many accounts. He taught strong holiness.

All that is good.

His serpent seed and pretrib altho nowhere near as faith destroying as the modern doctrine that Christ came and gathered his elect in 70ad is serious error.

If one wants to be assured of salvation they need to make sure their works are perfect. I hope he repented of any sins before his death.

Do YOU believe he was saved?

[Nicodemus1968]

Just for conversation;

This is a quote from the prophecy that was given concerning Branham.

“At the end of ’65, he who now stands in the forefront of the healing ministry as a prophet will be taken out of the way. He’ll make a false step and Satan shall destroy his life, but his spirit will be saved, and his works will follow him. Ere ’66 shall come, he shall be gone.”

Dont quote me on this, yet I believe it was given in January of 1965. And this man sent it out to several ministers. From what I gather, they agreed it was pointed to William Branham.

As we know, Branham did indeed die in a car crash on December 18, 1965, just as the prophecy said. The prophecy also stats that his spirit will be saved?

My question is can some of the prophecy be correct and the rest wrong?

So was Branham saved? Or is he sleeping in a grave somewhere (I’m being sarcastic)?

[TJJJ]

Hey, there are wpf Pastors today teaching borderline serpent seed doctrine with their sons of god/man doctrine. Are they saved?

[MinisterTruth]

Hey, there are wpf Pastors today teaching borderline serpent seed doctrine with their sons of god/man doctrine. Are they saved?

Someone always got to be the stick that stirs the pot!! Lol! :heeheehee

[1 God]

Just for conversation;

This is a quote from the prophecy that was given concerning Branham.

“At the end of ’65, he who now stands in the forefront of the healing ministry as a prophet will be taken out of the way. He’ll make a false step and Satan shall destroy his life, but his spirit will be saved, and his works will follow him. Ere ’66 shall come, he shall be gone.”

Dont quote me on this, yet I believe it was given in January of 1965. And this man sent it out to several ministers. From what I gather, they agreed it was pointed to William Branham.

As we know, Branham did indeed die in a car crash on December 18, 1965, just as the prophecy said. The prophecy also stats that his spirit will be saved?

My question is can some of the prophecy be correct and the rest wrong?

So was Branham saved? Or is he sleeping in a grave somewhere (I’m being sarcastic)?

He may be saved since everyone dabbles with a false doctrine or 2. Heaven would have very few there if God judged folks' beliefs. Pretty much everyone is tripped up doctrinally. Arguing is the evidence.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I believe he WAS saved at least in past tense. He had repented been baptized and received the Holy Ghost from many accounts. He taught strong holiness.

All that is good.

His serpent seed and pretrib altho nowhere near as faith destroying as the modern doctrine that Christ came and gathered his elect in 70ad is serious error.

If one wants to be assured of salvation they need to make sure their works are perfect. I hope he repented of any sins before his death.

Do YOU believe he was saved?

Mike you aren't saved.

[Evang.Benincasa]

He may be saved since everyone dabbles with a false doctrine or 2. Heaven would have very few there if God judged folks' beliefs. Pretty much everyone is tripped up doctrinally. Arguing is the evidence.

You were banned from this forum, You came back under another alias. Can't get any more false than that Sean.

[Nicodemus1968]

He may be saved since everyone dabbles with a false doctrine or 2. Heaven would have very few there if God judged folks' beliefs. Pretty much everyone is tripped up doctrinally. Arguing is the evidence.

You can’t be serious....

You’re probably writing these posts and then laughing at how ignorant they are.

[Evang.Benincasa]

You can’t be serious....

You’re probably writing these posts and then laughing at how ignorant they are.

Oh he is serious. :lol

[1 God]

You can’t be serious....

You’re probably writing these posts and then laughing at how ignorant they are.
Why are we arguing if we all have perfect truth?

[MinisterTruth]

Why are we arguing if we all have perfect truth?

No one's arguing with you. We're all wondering what kind of coffee you had this morning!

[1 God]

No one's arguing with you. We're all wondering what kind of coffee you had this morning!

I just watch everyone else with the truth argue. My coffee keeps me engaged as perfect truth hashes it out, with rarely agreeing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I just watch everyone else with the truth argue. My coffee keeps me engaged as perfect truth hashes it out, with rarely agreeing.

Sean, may I suggest you cool it with loads of caffeine

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAspOxaJC7g&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=SidRoth%27sIt%27sSupernatural%21

[aegsm76]

A well-known preacher, who was a contemporary of Branham and knew him, believed that evil spirits were using him at the end of his ministry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Donald Trump Tweeted

Big news coming out of Pennsylvania. Very big illegal ballot drop that cannot be accounted for. Rigged Election!

[Nicodemus1968]

Donald Trump Tweeted

Big news coming out of Pennsylvania. Very big illegal ballot drop that cannot be accounted for. Rigged Election!

All eyes on PA!

Maybe it will come to pass. I never thought Pennsylvania would be important to elections.

[Nicodemus1968]

I just watch everyone else with the truth argue. My coffee keeps me engaged as perfect truth hashes it out, with rarely agreeing.

Do you live in Colorado? If you do, then I understand what’s going on with you this morning. It’s not the coffee, its the “brownie” you had with the coffee. That brownie had a mix of the NEW Colorado state flower.

[jediwill83]

Do you live in Colorado? If you do, then I understand what’s going on with you this morning. It’s not the coffee, its the “brownie” you had with the coffee. That brownie had a mix of the NEW Colorado state flower.




Mmmmmmmmm Brownies. 🤣

[Nicodemus1968]

Mmmmmmmmm Brownies. ��

Lol!

It was either that, or I was going to tell him to lay off the paint chips.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Facebook

Chris Reed
20m ·
Ten days of testing, when Deborah is appointed judge.
There are two passages scriptures that come to mind that The Lord has brought to my spirit that describe and speak to the events we are living in here in America. I have felt a strong sense of urgency about this election. I do feel that Trump will win reelection, but I have recently not felt the peace and certainty about this election that some have.

In revelation 2:10 Jesus says to the church at Smyrna “10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.

There was a 7.0 earthquake in Turkey yesterday on 10-30-2020 that rocked the region. Turkey is where the ancient church of Smyrna was located. Which means I think there will be 10 days of great testing and tribulation starting when the earthquake happened. I think between October 30/ November 9, we will have a time in America of great tribulation. But we will endure. 10 days comes out to 240 HOURS. I think the number 240 will also be very significant to this election.

Also in light of Justice Amy Barrett’s appointment, I see a spiritual parallel from judges 5.
Listen carefully.
Judges 5
English Standard version
The Song of Deborah and Barak

Then sang DEBORAH and BARAK the son of Abinoam on that day:
Verse 4-4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir,
when you marched from the region of Edom, (red) THE EARTH TREMBLED
and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains QUAKED before the LORD, Even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Verse 7 - The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be UNTIL I AROSE;
I, Deborah, AROSE AS A MOTHER in Israel.
Here we see in the days of Deborah the judge (the only GODLY WOMAN JUDGE WHO WAS A MOTHER OF SMALL CHILDREN, (judge Amy Barrett has said to be likened spiritually unto a biblical Deborah because of her faith being a judge and being the only justice to have small children as a Supreme Court justice)
There was an earthquake and shaking connected to her rule. Justice Barrett took office Tuesday morning and 3 days later an earthquake happened where the church of Smyrna was located and then Smyrna was warned of entering 10 days of tribulation. But look carefully again to verse 4. I think there’s a clue in the verse that would be easy to overlook
4 “LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the region of Edom, (Edom means RED) the earth trembled and the heavens dropped,
yes, the clouds dropped water.
5 The mountains quakedbefore the LORD, even Sinai before the LORD, the God of Israel.
Notice in the days of Deborah the judge the LORD was said to March from the region of EDOM. Edom means RED (the color of the GOP)
I believe there is a mighty marching of the Lord that God will do in this election through the Republican Party (red).

Let’s connect the dots.
1. When Deborah (the mother of small children became judge) there was a mighty earthquake and also victory from God through the region of RED.
2. The earthquake happened in turkey (Smyrna) which means we might see some significant turbulence and tribulation over the next ten days. Whether that means violence in the streets or n uncertainty of the winner of the election after Tuesday for a few days, ultimately with God marching through a victory from the region of the Republican Party to restore America and get legislation passed to restore the value of life. (Pro life).

Please join me in prayer for a mighty victory (from the red) over the next few days and let’s pray that God will help America over the next 10 days as we see a victory for biblical values through this 2020 election.

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[Evang.Benincasa]

I guess at least some eyes are on PA

Pennsylvania 2020 election results: why all eyes are on Biden's home state
Joe Biden is expected to pick up a majority of the more than one million postal ballots still to be counted

Pennsylvania: Philadelphia 'still counting' votes and 'won't stop' after Trump claims victory
Marcus Parekh Dominic Penna
7 NOVEMBER 2020 • 1:20 PM

Donald Trump claimed on Wednesday morning he was winning Pennsylvania by a "tremendous amount" with the fate of both campaigns hanging on the key state.

But with 99 per cent of votes counted, Joe Biden has overtaken Mr Trump with 49.6 per cent to 49.1 per cent.

Democrats have pointed to the fact that the state's postal vote count is still not complete, with Mr Biden expected to pick up a majority of those votes in the state.

In Pennsylvania, ballots postmarked by November 3 can be accepted if they arrive up to three days after the election.

At present, Mr Biden is approximately 28,000 votes ahead of Mr Trump; after tens of thousands of votes from typically Democratic areas are yet to be announced.

The most anticipated of these remaining ballets will come from the city of Philadelphia, who are expected to announce their results in the coming hours.

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney said President Trump needed to "put his big boy pants on" and accept that he had lost the election. (Video below)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/07/pennsylvania-2020-election-results-who-win-trump-biden-swing-state/

:bump

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9KCfl-bCM&ab_channel=ISN%E2%80%93It%27sSupernatural%21Networ k

[Amanah]

Chris Reed, the Revelator

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris Reed, the Revelator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hucTDV1Fvo&ab_channel=velotronic

[Amanah]

Wierd but catchy, lol

[Esaias]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hucTDV1Fvo&ab_channel=velotronic

One of his songs was recorded and put on the Voyager probe and sent into space.

[Evang.Benincasa]

One of his songs was recorded and put on the Voyager probe and sent into space.

A good choice.

But I wonder what other music made the cut?

[Esaias]

A good choice.

But I wonder what other music made the cut?

From wikipedia:

1. "Greeting from Kurt Waldheim, Secretary-General of the United Nations" 0:44
2. "Greetings in 55 Languages" (by Various Artists) 3:46
3. "United Nations Greetings/Whale Songs" (by Various Artists) 4:04
4. "The Sounds of Earth" (by Various Artists) 12:19
5. "Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 in F Major, BWV 1047: I. Allegro (Johann Sebastian Bach)" (by Munich Bach Orchestra/Karl Richter) 4:44
6. "Ketawang: Puspåwårnå (Kinds of Flowers)" (by Pura Paku Alaman Palace Orchestra/K.R.T. Wasitodipuro) 4:47
7. "Cengunmé" (by Mahi musicians of Benin) 2:11
8. "Alima Song" (by Mbuti of the Ituri Rainforest) 1:01
9. "Barnumbirr (Morning Star) and Moikoi Song" (by Tom Djawa, Mudpo, and Waliparu) 1:29
10. "El Cascabel (Lorenzo Barcelata)" (by Antonio Maciel and Los Aguilillas with Mariachi México de Pepe Villa/Rafael Carrión) 3:20
11. "Johnny B. Goode" (by Chuck Berry) 2:41
12. "Mariuamangɨ" (by Pranis Pandang and Kumbui of the Nyaura Clan) 1:25
13. "Sokaku-Reibo (Depicting the Cranes in Their Nest)" (by Goro Yamaguchi) 5:04
14. "Partita for Violin Solo No. 3 in E Major, BWV 1006: III. Gavotte en Rondeau (Johann Sebastian Bach)" (by Arthur Grumiaux) 2:58
15. "The Magic Flute (Die Zauberflöte), K. 620, Act II: Hell's Vengeance Boils in My Heart (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)" (by Edda Moser/Bavarian State Opera Orchestra and Chorus/Wolfgang Sawallisch) 3:00
16. "Chakrulo" (by Georgian State Merited Ensemble of Folk Song and Dance/Anzor Kavsadze) 2:21
Disc two
No. Title Length
1. "Roncadoras and Drums" (by Musicians from Ancash) 0:55
2. "Melancholy Blues (Marty Bloom/Walter Melrose)" (by Louis Armstrong and His Hot Seven) 3:06
3. "Muğam" (by Kamil Jalilov) 2:35
4. "The Rite of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps), Part II—The Sacrifice: VI. Sacrificial Dance (The Chosen One) (Igor Stravinsky)" (by Columbia Symphony Orchestra/Igor Stravinsky) 4:38
5. "The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book II: Prelude and Fugue No. 1 in C Major, BWV 870 (Johann Sebastian Bach)" (by Glenn Gould) 4:51
6. "Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Opus 67: I. Allegro Con Brio (Ludwig van Beethoven)" (by Philharmonia Orchestra/Otto Klemperer) 8:49
7. "Izlel e Delyu Haydutin" (by Valya Balkanska) 5:04
8. "Navajo Night Chant, Yeibichai Dance" (Ambrose Roan Horse, Chester Roan, and Tom Roan) 1:01
9. "The Fairie Round (Anthony Holborne)" (by Early Music Consort of London/David Munrow) 1:19
10. "Naranaratana Kookokoo (The Cry of the Megapode Bird)" (by Maniasinimae and Taumaetarau Chieftain Tribe of Oloha and Palasu'u Village Community) 1:15
11. "Wedding Song" (by young girl from Huancavelica, recorded by John Cohen[46]) 0:42
12. "Liu Shui (Flowing Streams)" (by Guan Pinghu) 7:36
13. "Bhairavi: Jaat Kahan Ho" (by Kesarbai Kerkar) 3:34
14. "Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground" (by Blind Willie Johnson) 3:32
15. "String Quartet No. 13 in B-flat Major, Opus 130: V. Cavatina (Ludwig van Beethoven)" (by Budapest String Quartet) 6:41

[n david]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP9KCfl-bCM&ab_channel=ISN%E2%80%93It%27sSupernatural%21Networ k

Chris must have had some bad sushi.

[n david]

All eyes on PA!

Maybe it will come to pass. I never thought Pennsylvania would be important to elections.

Even if the EC hadn't already voted and certified their votes...

Even if every lawsuit filed in PA hadn't been rejected...

Even if the House wasn't controlled by Dems and any attempt by challenge the results on Jan 6 goes nowhere...

Trump needs a lot more than just PA.

It's incredible to watch these profits and others twist into a pretzel or jump through hoops about how Trump is going to win. It's absolutely delusional.

Even among Apostolics, the level of craziness is off the charts. I've been rebuked by a few, including a couple times by a Pastor's wife who declared Amy Coney Barrett was put on the SCOTUS "for such a time" by God Himself!

Just nuts.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris must have had some bad sushi.

I still don’t know how Philadelphia is supposed to work out in all of this. Also how God is using George Washington and Trump to bring forth another revolution in this country. It would be nice if Chris could put together a video explaining all of that.

[jediwill83]

Even if the EC hadn't already voted and certified their votes...

Even if every lawsuit filed in PA hadn't been rejected...

Even if the House wasn't controlled by Dems and any attempt by challenge the results on Jan 6 goes nowhere...

Trump needs a lot more than just PA.

It's incredible to watch these profits and others twist into a pretzel or jump through hoops about how Trump is going to win. It's absolutely delusional.

Even among Apostolics, the level of craziness is off the charts. I've been rebuked by a few, including a couple times by a Pastor's wife who declared Amy Coney Barrett was put on the SCOTUS "for such a time" by God Himself!

Just nuts.


Rebuked for what?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Rebuked for what?

For eating all the green bean casserole at the dinner on the grounds. :heeheehee

[jediwill83]

For eating all the green bean casserole at the dinner on the grounds. :heeheehee


Brethren, these things need not be!🤣

[n david]

Rebuked for what?

Not having faith that Trump is going to be POTUS 4 more years. Because the Catholic Amy Coney Barrett was put on the SCOTUS by God just for this.

[jediwill83]

Not having faith that Trump is going to be POTUS 4 more years.




As though your "lack of faith" would somehow stymie the Almighty from enacting His will upon a nation...


"Cant touch me God, cause I dont believe you can!"


Im not hassling you over you not believing Trump would be re-elected...Im just looking at taking that logic some people have with "belief" to its logical conclusion...


Its like in Peter Pan where Tinkerbell dies and they HAVE to clap and repeat "I believe in fairies"...her power hinged on their belief...but who believed when there was no one and God stepped onto the balcony of nothingness and spoke the Universe into being?


Thats who God is...but yet we gotta proclaim and wish reeeeeeeal hard before God can do what He wants and if not, He just kinda loses steam?


If God opens a door, there is no man that can shut it and if He closes a door, there is no man that can open it...trust me...if He wanted Donny Boy back behind the Resolute it'd happen whether we believed or not...


I just want to stand aside and let Him have His way...if He raises Biden, so be it...Gods will be done.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Not having faith that Trump is going to be POTUS 4 more years. Because the Catholic Amy Coney Barrett was put on the SCOTUS by God just for this.

Did it work out?

[Evang.Benincasa]

“Breaking News: In Pennsylvania there were 205,000 more votes than there were voters. This alone flips the state to President Trump.”

[Evang.Benincasa]

Donald Trump as George Washington??? Now, we only need something to happen out of Philadelphia.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqXM3bfW4AAEY3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Evang.Benincasa]

Donald Trump as George Washington??? Now, we only need something to happen out of Philadelphia.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqXM3bfW4AAEY3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

Now, where did I see this before?











































https://i.insider.com/55bb699d2acae72d5f8bb40a?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/6d/23/866d2310f4233902e180cdeb2a6c35f6.gif

[Steven Avery]

“Breaking News: In Pennsylvania there were 205,000 more votes than there were voters. This alone flips the state to President Trump.” I believe this is based on confusing the 2020 primary, which had 1.8 mail-out absentees, with the election, which had 3 million mail-outs. It is sad that such a simple blunder is being spoken so frequently.

[n david]

Donald Trump as George Washington??? Now, we only need something to happen out of Philadelphia.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqXM3bfW4AAEY3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

Gotta say, I like that painting or whatever it is. :thumbsup

[Esaias]

I believe this is based on confusing the 2020 primary, which had 1.8 mail-out absentees, with the election, which had 3 million mail-outs. It is sad that such a simple blunder is being spoken so frequently.

Found this on the web:

from the voter registration info for the state of Pennsylvania as of 11/2/2020, the number of registered voters was 9,091,371 (source: [link to worldpopulationreview.com (secure)] site has official state sources. This number should be EXACT.

the participation rate in PA was 71% (source: [link to www.statista.com (secure)] site has official sources and reported valid as of 11/2/2020
Bear in mind that this number is likely rounded UP from a slightly smaller decimal value, so it is conservative

0.71 * 9091371 = 6454873
2% std deviation high side = 6636701
votes for 2 party candidates are available from [link to cookpolitical.com (secure)] as well as a number of other sources

Biden:3,459,923
Trump:3,378,263
sum: 6838186

Politico shows raw vote info at
Joe Biden
3,458,229 (50%)
Donald Trump*
3,377,674 (48.8%)
sum 6835903

6838186 - 6454873 = 462710
6838186 - 6636701 = 201485
There are actually as many as 462k more votes than voters. the 205k is low

[Esaias]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-pennsylvania-certified-results-president-found-error-error-twice-size-difference-candidates/

[Amanah]

God's plan for redemption in the 7 feasts of Leviticus, Chris Reed, start at 01:40:00

https://youtu.be/n8KZAb_64YE

[aegsm76]

I believe this is based on confusing the 2020 primary, which had 1.8 mail-out absentees, with the election, which had 3 million mail-outs. It is sad that such a simple blunder is being spoken so frequently.

SA - no, this was the general election.
Here is a snippet from the link posted by Esaias

A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.

Wonder who those "extra" votes went to?

[Amanah]

Chris Reed on the election:

https://youtu.be/H2URKf19BqE

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris Reed on the election:

https://youtu.be/H2URKf19BqE

Well, that was about it for me. I literally made it to 12:08 heard him say he BELIEVED Trump will be president. But then followed it up with "IF" Biden is the president? I can see a choice if it was predicated upon a group of people needed to do XY or Z for God to place Mr Foofoofnick into the presidency. Yet, Mr Prophet (who by the way in the first few minutes must remind the audience that is what he is) never told us, or Sid Zombie Roth that was the case. That the United States, or Christians needed to repent in order to have Donald Trump as President. No, it was George Washington, arm around Trump. People standing on States all looking towards Philadelphia. Trump was going to start a revolution. Bring restoration, so on and so on. In American Churchanity these guys can miss it a 1,000 times over. People don't care, they will still attend his church, still stand in lines to be prophesied over, and the cards and letters will keep pouring in. If "prophets" were NOT ALLOWED to take a dime in their ministry you would see a whole lot less prophesying at a mass media level.

[Amanah]

Chris's mistake is aligning himself with CBN, a hotbed of seducing spirits and doctrine of devils.

[Esaias]

Well, that was about it for me. I literally made it to 12:08 heard him say he BELIEVED Trump will be president. But then followed it up with "IF" Biden is the president? I can see a choice if it was predicated upon a group of people needed to do XY or Z for God to place Mr Foofoofnick into the presidency. Yet, Mr Prophet (who by the way in the first few minutes must remind the audience that is what he is) never told us, or Sid Zombie Roth that was the case. That the United States, or Christians needed to repent in order to have Donald Trump as President. No, it was George Washington, arm around Trump. People standing on States all looking towards Philadelphia. Trump was going to start a revolution. Bring restoration, so on and so on. In American Churchanity these guys can miss it a 1,000 times over. People don't care, they will still attend his church, still stand in lines to be prophesied over, and the cards and letters will keep pouring in. If "prophets" were NOT ALLOWED to take a dime in their ministry you would see a whole lot less prophesying at a mass media level.

Kind of like all the "two more weeks" and the insane amounts of copium the Trump supporters were drowning in the past four years, making every excuse imaginable as to why Trump just can't seem to get the job done...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Kind of like all the "two more weeks" and the insane amounts of copium the Trump supporters were drowning in the past four years, making every excuse imaginable as to why Trump just can't seem to get the job done...

People wonder why the Germans ran after Hitler? Trump was only a test. Guess what we will have in the next 4 years? After we are decimated by uncle Joe and cousin Kamala. The people will be good and primed for a dictator to take all their pain away. The Democrat party is already on the ropes, so within four more years everyone should finally get the epiphany that they need a Big Daddy. They don’t want a Father. They just want a daddy to lead them into a Brave New World.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris's mistake is aligning himself with CBN, a hotbed of seducing spirits and doctrine of devils.

Sister, Chris’ mistakes happened long before you ever knew his name.

[n david]

Move over, Sid and Chris ... Hank Kunneman (Pastor of Lord of Hosts Church) is absolutely doubling down on his prophecy from 12/1 that Trump is POTUS and will remain POTUS.

https://media.giphy.com/media/jH6s9HMMi53dSdI73r/giphy.gif

Hank says God told him that He doesn't work on our election calendar or inauguration date. It will happen. We better stand with the profits because they have been with God and communicate with God and it will happen. If we doubt the profits, we are doubting God Himself.

Hank's prophecy included strong winds occurring in the US right before it happened. He notes that today FoxNews and other news reported strong winds throughout the midwest.

https://media.giphy.com/media/huJmPXfeir5JlpPAx0/giphy.gif

HA! I forgot to include the link to his YouTube video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jrUWvn5WSQ

[Jito463]

Hank's prophecy included strong winds occurring in the US right before it happened. He notes that today FoxNews and other news reported strong winds throughout the midwest.

High winds? Well, that's certainly something that's NEVER happened in the mid-west before..... :ohplease

[Michael The Disciple]

Strong winds here since early fall.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Strong winds here since early fall.

Here is a website for you.

https://www.healthline.com/health/foods-that-cause-gas

[Evang.Benincasa]

move over, sid and chris ... Hank kunneman (pastor of lord of hosts church) is absolutely doubling down on his prophecy from 12/1 that trump is potus and will remain potus.

https://media.giphy.com/media/jh6s9hmmi53dsdi73r/giphy.gif

hank says god told him that he doesn't work on our election calendar or inauguration date. It will happen. We better stand with the profits because they have been with god and communicate with god and it will happen. If we doubt the profits, we are doubting god himself.

Hank's prophecy included strong winds occurring in the us right before it happened. He notes that today foxnews and other news reported strong winds throughout the midwest.

https://media.giphy.com/media/hujmpxfeir5jlppax0/giphy.gif

ha! I forgot to include the link to his youtube video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jruwvn5wsq


Trump will BE President for the NEXT 4 years!!!

Just listen to the loud lady with the pink hair.

Go to the last 19:53 to the end of the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwKjMETbIpE&ab_channel=NotMe%2CHim%21

[Evang.Benincasa]

Well, it looks like the YouTubes are getting rid of these videos pretty quick. :lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Move over, Sid and Chris ... Hank Kunneman (Pastor of Lord of Hosts Church) is absolutely doubling down on his prophecy from 12/1 that Trump is POTUS and will remain POTUS.

https://media.giphy.com/media/jH6s9HMMi53dSdI73r/giphy.gif

Hank says God told him that He doesn't work on our election calendar or inauguration date. It will happen. We better stand with the profits because they have been with God and communicate with God and it will happen. If we doubt the profits, we are doubting God Himself.

Hank's prophecy included strong winds occurring in the US right before it happened. He notes that today FoxNews and other news reported strong winds throughout the midwest.

https://media.giphy.com/media/huJmPXfeir5JlpPAx0/giphy.gif

HA! I forgot to include the link to his YouTube video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jrUWvn5WSQ

So, if Trump doesn't get in God has taken Hi hand off the United States?

This guy said all this, but if you listen closely he doesn't believe what he is saying. Always listen to these jokers and count how many times they say "if"

[Evang.Benincasa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBp2H9_vjSo&ab_channel=NotMe%2CHim%21

[n david]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBp2H9_vjSo&ab_channel=NotMe%2CHim%21

After hearing about Kat Kerr and how this profit is sticking to her predictions, I decided to watch a video of her.

This woman is nuts. She claims that she regularly visits Heaven. This woman that so many others are quoting and referring to is absolutely crazy. She talked for 20 minutes at least about how when people go to Heaven, Jesus takes them on His flaming chariot, or sometimes a space cruiser. They tour around the world and galaxy before arriving in Heaven.

Why anyone listens to this nut, I don’t know. It’s a sad state for the churches who follow her.

[Monterrey]

After hearing about Kat Kerr and how this profit is sticking to her predictions, I decided to watch a video of her.

This woman is nuts. She claims that she regularly visits Heaven. This woman that so many others are quoting and referring to is absolutely crazy. She talked for 20 minutes at least about how when people go to Heaven, Jesus takes them on His flaming chariot, or sometimes a space cruiser. They tour around the world and galaxy before arriving in Heaven.

Why anyone listens to this nut, I don’t know. It’s a sad state for the churches who follow her.

Bwahahahahaha! Probably because those churches have no real men of God who can really hear from God so they go for these cheap substitutes!!

[n david]

Fast forward to 19:40 where Kat starts talking about going to Heaven. You can take a flaming chariot, a starship or star cruiser, an elevator ... even a World War II "bi-plane"!

This woman is certifiably insane. And yet I've heard her name mentioned by several profits and "Pastors" in the charismatic movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f9UEt21JBQ&t=1116s

[1 God]

After hearing about Kat Kerr and how this profit is sticking to her predictions, I decided to watch a video of her.

This woman is nuts. She claims that she regularly visits Heaven. This woman that so many others are quoting and referring to is absolutely crazy. She talked for 20 minutes at least about how when people go to Heaven, Jesus takes them on His flaming chariot, or sometimes a space cruiser. They tour around the world and galaxy before arriving in Heaven.

Why anyone listens to this nut, I don’t know. It’s a sad state for the churches who follow her.

This woman is an end result of folks being taught to create a "shepherd" between themselves and Jesus Christ.
Folks are duped by carnal men and women in every religion or belief system these days.
Jim Jones was one of the worse case scenarios.
I only have one Shepherd, and He is Jesus Christ, the same bright, shadow-less light that spoke to Paul.
Running to carnal shepherds is spiritual suicide.

[Evang.Benincasa]

This woman is an end result of folks being taught to create a "shepherd" between themselves and Jesus Christ.
Folks are duped by carnal men and women in every religion or belief system these days.
Jim Jones was one of the worse case scenarios.
I only have one Shepherd, and He is Jesus Christ, the same bright, shadow-less light that spoke to Paul.
Running to carnal shepherds is spiritual suicide.

Yes Sean it shows in your life

[Ronnie G]

Years ago, I was writing for a local college magazine—I was the resident long-haired/rocker with conservative political underpinnings. A UFO symposium was held in my town, and I begged my editor to let me go to it. And yes, my job was to lampoon these people.

Amongst the booth tables of abductees, and such were psychics.

One of them (I don’t remember his name) had some sort of supposed legendary status as a seer.

Now mind you, I showed up in jeans, hair nearly to my waist, and a Dio t-shirt.

He looks at me and says “I see you as being involved in music.”

I simply acknowledged that he was right, to the IMMEDIATE reaction of verbal and physical hagiography of the man.

These prophets remind me of that—but more dangerous. The guy at the UFO thing wasn’t trying to call an election.

[brotherjason]

Years ago, I was writing for a local college magazine—I was the resident long-haired/rocker with conservative political underpinnings. A UFO symposium was held in my town, and I begged my editor to let me go to it. And yes, my job was to lampoon these people.

Amongst the booth tables of abductees, and such were psychics.

One of them (I don’t remember his name) had some sort of supposed legendary status as a seer.

Now mind you, I showed up in jeans, hair nearly to my waist, and a Dio t-shirt.

He looks at me and says “I see you as being involved in music.”

I simply acknowledged that he was right, to the IMMEDIATE reaction of verbal and physical hagiography of the man.

These prophets remind me of that—but more dangerous. The guy at the UFO thing wasn’t trying to call an election.

I haven't been on here for a couple years and never was very active so I'm not familiar with you. Some how I get the feeling you have a very interesting testimony!

[Esaias]

Have any of these profit$ gone out of business yet?

[Amanah]

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means;
and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

[james34]

https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1595030&postcount=31

Wow that’s some rough stuff.
2.4 million views.
When the world looks in curiosity toward ( what they think is God) they see a sea of religious garbage that is basically laughable and in no way can be taken seriously. Yet 2.4 million views.

.... but when a hungry heart yearns for God there is a true light that shines through all of the darkness. The church has always been discredited by the world as they wrongly associate false Christianity with God. It’s the deception of the masses.

[coksiw]

Those prophets are troubling.

I have a friend that likes Jonathan Cahn. I have been asked about an opinion regarding him. I haven't had the time to watch any of this stuff.
I heard from another preacher that knows him that he has turned more over the years towards apostolic doctrine. He is pentecostal, and also believes in a message of repentance and baptism in Jesus' name. Not sure if he believes in Oneness.

Today I watched a video of him from the first time. It seems OK so far.

What do you guys think about him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCtoQUXnmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu4fg07zwDo

[Ronnie G]

I have found his books fascinating, as he at least has been willing to avoid the Pollyanna outlook for America. He draws direct corollaries between the overt contempt for God's intent regarding marriage and human life, and where we are now.

He does say something I truly believe: That the moment(s) that the Whitehouse was lit up with rainbows over the Supreme Court's marriage decision, and the Empire State Building being lit up in pink to celebrate infanticide--were metaphysical game-changers. It's one thing for these things to exist. It's another for our leaders to engage in hagiography over it.

I also think Biden laying his hand on a Bible and IMMEDIATELY attacking gender distinctions is going to fall on somebody's head. Possibly his, if the election was strolen.

The Harbinger books are well worth looking at, and I for one learned a ton of little things about our country, and the significance of the dates surrounding those little things, that defy the definition of "coincidence."

He was an early proponent of the "Cyrus" thing, but it came with a million caveats, and he was never a Trump sychophant.

He, like a few other non-apostolics, are responsible for me even caring about anything apostolic in nature, which is an odd statement. Someday, I'll qualify it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Those prophets are troubling.

I have a friend that likes Jonathan Cahn. I have been asked about an opinion regarding him. I haven't had the time to watch any of this stuff.
I heard from another preacher that knows him that he has turned more over the years towards apostolic doctrine. He is pentecostal, and also believes in a message of repentance and baptism in Jesus' name. Not sure if he believes in Oneness.

Today I watched a video of him from the first time. It seems OK so far.

What do you guys think about him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCtoQUXnmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu4fg07zwDo

He preaches national repentance and threats or warnings of judgement. This is good. Any documentation he baptizes in Jesus name? That would be great!

[coksiw]

He preaches national repentance and threats or warnings of judgement. This is good. Any documentation he baptizes in Jesus name? That would be great!

Skip to minute 49

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQERx2T3Bto&t=2855s

[Amanah]

He preaches national repentance and threats or warnings of judgement. This is good. Any documentation he baptizes in Jesus name? That would be great!

Supposedly 5 years ago JC stated he believes in the acts 2:38 message, yet his website plan of salvation does not reflect that at all.

Reminds me of TFT promoting Jentezen for years with no results.

And Bro Mangun appearing on CBN with was it Samuel Rodriguez?

I guess the UPCI is looking their way.

Where are we heading?

[coksiw]

...
And Bro Mangun appearing on CBN with was it Samuel Rodriguez?

I guess the UPCI is looking their way.

Where are we heading?

What exactly happened there?

[Amanah]

What exactly happened there?

I was mistaken, it was bro Mangun and Jentezen on TBN. Nothing happened. Just wondering how fruitfull the association with celebrity mega church
preachers is.

https://youtu.be/XFtctvvGAqM

[coksiw]

I was mistaken, it was bro Mangun and Jentezen on TBN. Nothing happened. Just wondering how fruitfull the association with celebrity mega church
preachers is.

https://youtu.be/XFtctvvGAqM

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know about that.

[Michael The Disciple]

I was mistaken, it was bro Mangun and Jentezen on TBN. Nothing happened. Just wondering how fruitfull the association with celebrity mega church
preachers is.

https://youtu.be/XFtctvvGAqM

If you get to share truth with them its a good thing. I hate to say it but in DECADES of being in and around Oneness I dont know of ONE.....big name Trinitarian Teacher or Preacher that has accepted the Oneness doctrine!

Obviously there have been believers in Trinity that HAVE accepted the truth but I am talking big name.

I know or know of Trinitarian Pastors that baptize in Jesus name that stayed with Trinity but distanced themselves from Oneness. That alone is a big thing. Anyone think of a FAMOUS Trinitarian Teacher or Evangelist that came to Oneness?

[Michael The Disciple]

Supposedly 5 years ago JC stated he believes in the acts 2:38 message, yet his website plan of salvation does not reflect that at all.

Reminds me of TFT promoting Jentezen for years with no results.

And Bro Mangun appearing on CBN with was it Samuel Rodriguez?

I guess the UPCI is looking their way.

Where are we heading?

How trustworthy is Stoneking? I seem to remember some here who were not fans. I dont recall ever hearing him. I dont want to share this and have it thrown back in my face, altho I sure hope its true. We have several of Johnathan Cahns DVD's here.

[coksiw]

How trustworthy is Stoneking? I seem to remember some here who were not fans. I dont recall ever hearing him. I dont want to share this and have it thrown back in my face, altho I sure hope its true. We have several of Johnathan Cahns DVD's here.

Stoneking is a good man. His preachings are intended to exhort. I have not verified his stories to judge his accuracy and make a judgement call of how trustworthy he is at reporting them. IMO, in the worst case scenario, he exaggerates something or his memory fails, but I don't think they are invented.

[n david]

Reminds me of TFT promoting Jentezen for years with no results.

And Bro Mangun appearing on CBN with was it Samuel Rodriguez?

I guess the UPCI is looking their way.

Where are we heading?

I was mistaken, it was bro Mangun and Jentezen on TBN. Nothing happened. Just wondering how fruitfull the association with celebrity mega church preachers is.

https://youtu.be/XFtctvvGAqM

They asked Anthony to speak on prayer and his book on the Tabernacle Prayer. Let's not make this anything other than what it was. Anthony is NOT looking their way. The UPCI is NOT looking their way.

Men like TF Tenney and Anthony Mangun hopefully will continue to be witnesses of the Oneness and New Birth to those who aren't in the truth and who watch TBN or Daystar or any other network.

Also, no one has a clue whether or not anything happened. To state matter of factly that "nothing happened" without actual knowledge of it being true is simply absurd and wrong. While I don't have a testimony of anyone, there may well have been one or more who came to an Apostolic church because of TF Tenney or Anthony Mangun.

Years ago, TF Tenney and Douglas Klinedinst preached at Free Chapel for its Pentecost Sunday service. Neither minced words or pulled punches. They preached Acts 2:38 and Klinedinst gave an altar call that included the full New Birth plan of salvation.

This reminds me of Ezekiel 2, "Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day. For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them."

Whether or not Jentezen Franklin or any of the other ministers have listened or refused to listen is not TF Tenney or Anthony Mangun's worry. They were tasked to preach/teach the truth and they did without any compromise.

[n david]

If you get to share truth with them its a good thing. I hate to say it but in DECADES of being in and around Oneness I dont know of ONE.....big name Trinitarian Teacher or Preacher that has accepted the Oneness doctrine!

Obviously there have been believers in Trinity that HAVE accepted the truth but I am talking big name.

I know or know of Trinitarian Pastors that baptize in Jesus name that stayed with Trinity but distanced themselves from Oneness. That alone is a big thing. Anyone think of a FAMOUS Trinitarian Teacher or Evangelist that came to Oneness?

Sadly, I believe you're correct. I don't know of any major Trinitarian or Partial-birther who has changed to Oneness or full New Birth.

But, that shouldn't stop us from continuing to use any opportunity to share the truth with those who may or may not act on it.

[Ronnie G]

Sadly, I believe you're correct. I don't know of any major Trinitarian or Partial-birther who has changed to Oneness or full New Birth.

But, that shouldn't stop us from continuing to use any opportunity to share the truth with those who may or may not act on it.

I live in the city Bethel Church is in. I do not attend there, of course, but because of my former vocation, I was interacting with them all the time, and have cultivated many convivial relationships.

Yep, they're WAYY out there. But a longtime friend that decided to attend there met at Barnes & Noble a while back to tell me that one of his teachers at BSSM was talking up Jesus' Name Baptism--and that he was coming to the conclusion that it was a serious issue.

I for one found that to be amazing. Who knows what comes of moments like that? I see Bill Johnson in town from time to time, and if I get a chance to bend his ear, I will.

[Michael The Disciple]

I live in the city Bethel Church is in. I do not attend there, of course, but because of my former vocation, I was interacting with them all the time, and have cultivated many convivial relationships.

Yep, they're WAYY out there. But a longtime friend that decided to attend there met at Barnes & Noble a while back to tell me that one of his teachers at BSSM was talking up Jesus' Name Baptism--and that he was coming to the conclusion that it was a serious issue.

I for one found that to be amazing. Who knows what comes of moments like that? I see Bill Johnson in town from time to time, and if I get a chance to bend his ear, I will.

:highfive

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah View Post
I was mistaken, it was bro Mangun and Jentezen on TBN. Nothing happened. Just wondering how fruitfull the association with celebrity mega church preachers is.

I would be against FELLOWSHIP with them. But I would be against FELLOWSHIP with Preterists also.

There is a difference in "association" and "fellowship". Association can mean as little as you see someone somewhere and pass a few words with them up to having a connection with them in some other area.

Fellowship is the knitting together of the heart. We do have a mission to try to win their trust so as to bring more light. Several Apostolics along the way showed me respect as I was on this journey. I still think highly of them.

[Esaias]

I would be against FELLOWSHIP with them. But I would be against FELLOWSHIP with Preterists also.

There is a difference in "association" and "fellowship". Association can mean as little as you see someone somewhere and pass a few words with them up to having a connection with them in some other area.

Fellowship is the knitting together of the heart. We do have a mission to try to win their trust so as to bring more light. Several Apostolics along the way showed me respect as I was on this journey. I still think highly of them.

So we can associate with idols, just not fellowship with them?

Sounds like hair splitting.

I think the false profits need to go broke. And I think believers need to quit being so open minded their common sense falls out. If a person teaches false doctrine and heresy, they get rebuked twice or thrice, and then the believer should move on and treat them the same way heathens and tax collectors are to be treated. That is, they are simply outsiders like anybody else.

[Amanah]

My issue is Bro Stoneking giving Jonathan Cahn a ringing endorsement as a prophet of God (in the linked video) so that Apostolics are following him, even though Cahn is not preaching the gospel. Similar to how Apostolics follow Jentezen. Isn't this an open door for leading people astray?

Skip to minute 49

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GQERx2T3Bto&t=2855s

[coksiw]

My issue is Bro Stoneking giving Jonathan Cahn a ringing endorsement as a prophet of God (in the linked video) so that Apostolics are following him, even though Cahn is not preaching the gospel. Similar to how Apostolics follow Jentezen. Isn't this an open door for leading people astray?

Very good point Amanah. The way I see is that we live in a world full of "almost there". Even in this group, if you consider yourself perfect and in the absolute truth on everything, you were in the past "almost there" at some point. Probably during your "almost there" period, you preached, taught, witnessed, and might have even written books, and maybe even God used them to edify or even convert some. This is not black and white as some try to put it. I read books, and text books from Trinitarians. Many here quote commentaries from non-apostolic people that lived centuries ago. We use their work all the time.

However, everytime I see a person close to me reading or watching the work of other people that are not apostolic, or are "almost there" but in a different faith, I tell them a word of caution. It all depends. If the author or preach is very messed up, I just advise against listening or reading anything from that person at all. It is a judgement call on every case.

That being said, reading, and just listening to an exposition is different than being preached.
And also, I believe churches should be, generally speaking, self-sufficient. When saints go outside the local assembly to be fed, it makes me think that something could be (I didn't say "is") lacking in their local assembly.

[Esaias]

Very good point Amanah. The way I see is that we live in a world full of "almost there". Even in this group, if you consider yourself perfect and in the absolute truth on everything, you were in the past "almost there" at some point. Probably during your "almost there" period, you preached, taught, witnessed, and might have even written books, and maybe even God used them to edify or even convert some. This is not black and white as some try to put it. I read books, and text books from Trinitarians. Many here quote commentaries from non-apostolic people that lived centuries ago. We use their work all the time.

However, everytime I see a person close to me reading or watching the work of other people that are not apostolic, or are "almost there" but in a different faith, I tell them a word of caution. It all depends. If the author or preach is very messed up, I just advise against listening or reading anything from that person at all. It is a judgement call on every case.

That being said, reading, and just listening to an exposition is different than being preached.
And also, I believe churches should be, generally speaking, self-sufficient. When saints go outside the local assembly to be fed, it makes me think that something could be (I didn't say "is") lacking in their local assembly.

That is not the same as a supposed elder in God's church publicly declaring someone outside the church is nevertheless a "prophet of God".

[Amanah]

That is not the same as a supposed elder in God's church publicly declaring someone outside the church is nevertheless a "prophet of God".

Exactly!

[Michael The Disciple]

So we can associate with idols, just not fellowship with them?

Sounds like hair splitting.

I think the false profits need to go broke. And I think believers need to quit being so open minded their common sense falls out. If a person teaches false doctrine and heresy, they get rebuked twice or thrice, and then the believer should move on and treat them the same way heathens and tax collectors are to be treated. That is, they are simply outsiders like anybody else.

So how does that relate to the "association" we have on this forum?

[Amanah]

So how does that relate to the "association" we have on this forum?

We have forum rules:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=715069&postcount=1

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=356&postcount=1

[Amanah]

Our friendships on AFF are based on the following shared beliefs:

"Apostolic" as defined by AFF
Apostolic doctrines have been defined as the following:

There is one person of God revealing Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Son is God himself in a human form, or "God manifested in the flesh."

Every sinner must repent of their sins.

Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.

The Holy Ghost baptism is for Christians today and may be received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.

The saint will strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Furthermore, we believe in the Oneness message, and that the Bible, in its entirety, is the Word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant for today. These core doctrines can only be discussed in the Debate Room.

[Michael The Disciple]

Our friendships on AFF are based on the following shared beliefs:

"Apostolic" as defined by AFF
Apostolic doctrines have been defined as the following:

There is one person of God revealing Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Son is God himself in a human form, or "God manifested in the flesh."

Every sinner must repent of their sins.

Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.

The Holy Ghost baptism is for Christians today and may be received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.

The saint will strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Furthermore, we believe in the Oneness message, and that the Bible, in its entirety, is the Word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant for today. These core doctrines can only be discussed in the Debate Room.

So heresy is defined only in context of Acts 2:38 and Oneness. I have been told my beliefs are heresy numerous times here. And I have said the same about others. And yet we are "associating" with each other sometimes daily.

This is what I meant by "associating" in contrast to "fellowship".

[Amanah]

Bro MTD, I understand what you are saying :thumbsup

[n david]

Our friendships on AFF are based on the following shared beliefs:

"Apostolic" as defined by AFF
Apostolic doctrines have been defined as the following:

There is one person of God revealing Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Son is God himself in a human form, or "God manifested in the flesh."

Every sinner must repent of their sins.

Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.

The Holy Ghost baptism is for Christians today and may be received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.

The saint will strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Furthermore, we believe in the Oneness message, and that the Bible, in its entirety, is the Word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant for today. These core doctrines can only be discussed in the Debate Room.
There are members on AFF who do not believe this as documented in various threads.

[n david]

I would be against FELLOWSHIP with them. But I would be against FELLOWSHIP with Preterists also.

There is a difference in "association" and "fellowship". Association can mean as little as you see someone somewhere and pass a few words with them up to having a connection with them in some other area.

Jesus was accused of being a friend of tax collectors and sinners because He was either sitting at dinner with them or they were near him when He was speaking to His followers.

The important thing to understand is that Jesus wasn't just hanging out with sinners to partake in their pleasures. Any association He had with them, such as sitting and eating with them, was for a purpose. And most of the time it was the tax collectors and sinners who were drawn to Jesus, never the other way around.

Regarding Tenney, Mangun, Franklin, etc: As I understand the story, Jentezen Franklin sought out TF Tenney during a difficult time with Jentezen's family. TF Tenney then introduced Franklin to the Manguns.

As mentioned previously, Anthony Mangun was asked to go on TBN with Franklin and the host, Tony Suarez, to speak on prayer and Mangun's book.

I don't believe we should be drawn to any celebrity, politician, or other personality, but they should be drawn to what is inside us. And when they are drawn to what's inside of us, we should be willing, and ready, to meet with them wherever and however possible to share the truth of the Word of God.

Unfortunately, there will always be some who will throw stones and accuse them of being compromisers and that they're "looking their way."

[Esaias]

Birds of a feather flock together, or something.

[1 God]

Furthermore, we believe in the Oneness message, and that the Bible, in its entirety, is the Word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant for today.

Which translation might that be?