Are "Apostolic" Women Cutting Their Hair Now?

[Bro Flame]

Yes, I know. Same ole, same ole.

But I've noticed through my social media friends that many an Apostolic female, especially in larger cities (as if that has anything to do with it), appear to be cutting their hair. I know some of these females are attendees of UPC and ALJC churches, but some go to independent churches.

I believe I saw somewhere on another Apostolic-aimed page that said their was a "new wave" of theology that specifically taught that "long hair" didn't necessarily mean "uncut hair". Therefore, a lady can cut (or "trim") her hair as long as it is still "long".

But what is "long"?

Wouldn't some form of "rule" have to be employed so the women would know what the pastor, or God for that matter, considered "long"?

Has anyone else come across anything similar?

Just wondering...

[diakonos]

This is nothing new. Do you live under a rock?

[Bro Flame]

This is nothing new. Do you live under a rock?
I've been known to, yes sir.

[Tithesmeister]

Yes, I know. Same ole, same ole.

But I've noticed through my social media friends that many an Apostolic female, especially in larger cities (as if that has anything to do with it), appear to be cutting their hair. I know some of these females are attendees of UPC and ALJC churches, but some go to independent churches.

I believe I saw somewhere on another Apostolic-aimed page that said their was a "new wave" of theology that specifically taught that "long hair" didn't necessarily mean "uncut hair". Therefore, a lady can cut (or "trim") her hair as long as it is still "long".

But what is "long"?

Wouldn't some form of "rule" have to be employed so the women would know what the pastor, or God for that matter, considered "long"?

Has anyone else come across anything similar?

Just wondering...

Well . . .

Ladies in Apostolic churches have been cutting their hair, or trimming their hair for probably over one hundred years. Maybe even almost two thousand years.

UPCI Sunday school teachers cut their hair fifty years ago.

Did all ladies cut their hair? No. Some did. Some didn’t.

Did all churches that were UPCI have ladies that cut their hair? Probably not.

The UPCI is a lot like the southern baptist convention or our government. It waxes and wanes more or less conservative. It’s been that way since 1945.

[1 God]

Countless women have naturally short hair. They must wear wigs in service etc. There must be a broader context to Corinthians regarding the issue.

[Jito463]

Countless women have naturally short hair. They must wear wigs in service etc. There must be a broader context to Corinthians regarding the issue.There's a difference between short and cut. I had two older sisters, one can see the difference between the two if you take time to look.

Generally speaking, I don't go around looking at women's hair (I don't really find it fascinating enough to care, personally). I'm just saying that it is possible to distinguish between the two.

[Originalist]

Hispanic Apostolic women have been cutting their hair for decades. They hold a different view on I Corinthians 11.

[diakonos]

Hispanic Apostolic women have been cutting their hair for decades. They hold a different view on I Corinthians 11.

The ones I know don’t cut their hair, so…

[Esaias]

The ones I know don’t cut their hair, so…

I think he may be talking about Asamblea Apostolica?

[diakonos]

i think he may be talking about asamblea apostolica?

aafcj?

[Michael The Disciple]

The Apostolic Assembly Of The Faith In Christ Jesus believes in a veil as the headcovering. They also believe a woman should not cut their hair last I knew.

[Originalist]

The Apostolic Assembly Of The Faith In Christ Jesus believes in a veil as the headcovering. They also believe a woman should not cut their hair last I knew.

Most allow haircutting but insist on head coverings.

[diakonos]

Most allow haircutting but insist on head coverings.

Most? Hardly…

[UnTraditional]

Yes, I know. Same ole, same ole.

But I've noticed through my social media friends that many an Apostolic female, especially in larger cities (as if that has anything to do with it), appear to be cutting their hair. I know some of these females are attendees of UPC and ALJC churches, but some go to independent churches.

I believe I saw somewhere on another Apostolic-aimed page that said their was a "new wave" of theology that specifically taught that "long hair" didn't necessarily mean "uncut hair". Therefore, a lady can cut (or "trim") her hair as long as it is still "long".

But what is "long"?

Wouldn't some form of "rule" have to be employed so the women would know what the pastor, or God for that matter, considered "long"?

Has anyone else come across anything similar?

Just wondering...

Good morning Bro. Flame.

Many of the Apostolic women I encountered, before and after, did trim their hair. I have always held that long hair did not necessarily mean uncut, and this the whole issue of 1Corinthians 11 is more of order and submission than just hair.

I'm no expert, but I have known some women who have hair who did not live in order or submission to their husband. They would even be on borderline witchcraft, threatening to pray for God to "get them" when people did not bow to their will. They, in my thoughts, violated their hair.

Just my thoughts on the subject. Have a great day.

[Originalist]

Most? Hardly…

I stand by my statement.

[Tithesmeister]

This is nothing new. Do you live under a rock?

"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

I thought it would be appropriate to post this quote here. I have found this to be true. I have pictures of my mother from seventy plus years ago. She was oneness Apostolic. And she had cut hair and earrings. And she wasn’t “liberal” by any means.


"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"

[Esaias]

"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

I thought it would be appropriate to post this quote here. I have found this to be true. I have pictures of my mother from seventy plus years ago. She was oneness Apostolic. And she had cut hair and earrings. And she wasn’t “liberal” by any means.


"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"

Heathen flappers in the 1920s dressed more modestly than today's average Walmarter.

[Bro Flame]

Hispanic Apostolic women have been cutting their hair for decades. They hold a different view on I Corinthians 11.
I know some Hispanic Pentecostals from Alabama that are very liberal. About they only thing they do that would fall under "traditional Pentecostal attire" is the women don't wear pants. They all wear makeup, jewelry, get their nails done, and the men wear shorts and beards.

[Bro Flame]

Heathen flappers in the 1920s dressed more modestly than today's average Walmarter.
Ain't that the truth. Sinners had more decency 50 years ago than most Christians do today.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Ain't that the truth. Sinners had more decency 50 years ago than most Christians do today.

Do you happen know why that is?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Most allow haircutting but insist on head coverings.

Most? Hardly…

I stand by my statement.

Hispanic Apostolic women have been cutting their hair for decades. They hold a different view on I Corinthians 11.

I know some Hispanic Pentecostals from Alabama that are very liberal. About they only thing they do that would fall under "traditional Pentecostal attire" is the women don't wear pants. They all wear makeup, jewelry, get their nails done, and the men wear shorts and beards.

The ones I know don’t cut their hair, so…

What is bolded in red is the most logical reply to all of the above. The whole "I know of, so and so who do XYZ" means actually nothing in the grand scheme of things. My personal experiences only go as far as my own life span of of accumulated knowledge. Within any given subject, history, mechanics, religion, cooking, science , Christianity mainstream or Pentecostal, plethora of different beliefs. Religion (in the United States) is constantly morphing. Buddhists in the U.S. aren't like their counterparts in the rest of the world. Same goes for Charismatics and Pentecostals. It will keep on changing. Listen, the whole range of "Apostolic" goes from mild to wild.

[diakonos]

What is bolded in red is the most logical reply to all of the above. The whole "I know of, so and so who do XYZ" means actually nothing in the grand scheme of things. My personal experiences only go as far as my own life span of of accumulated knowledge. Within any given subject, history, mechanics, religion, cooking, science , Christianity mainstream or Pentecostal, plethora of different beliefs. Religion (in the United States) is constantly morphing. Buddhists in the U.S. aren't like their counterparts in the rest of the world. Same goes for Charismatics and Pentecostals. It will keep on changing. Listen, the whole range of "Apostolic" goes from mild to wild.

Yep

[diakonos]

Ain't that the truth. Sinners had more decency 50 years ago than most Christians do today.

Yet, the Pentecostal dress code reveals what? People can dress modest and be full of the devil.

Sinners dressed more modest 50 years ago. So what? There were still adulterers, alcoholics, fornicators, and homosexuals.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yet, the Pentecostal dress code reveals what? People can dress modest and be full of the devil.

Sinners dressed more modest 50 years ago. So what? There were still adulterers, alcoholics, fornicators, and homosexuals.

Again touché! Bravo, and this is where all religions hit a stump. Cain, offered a sacrifice, as did his brother. But only Abel was accepted because he did it out of devotion. "By FAITH Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that HE (ABEL) was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh." Cain was only going through the motions it seems, while Abel had a more faithful devotion to offer a sacrifice of his first fruits of his profession. Yet, in carnal religiosity we can fly under the radar because we wear the badge, uniform, and gun. We can quote the laws, we can write tickets, pull people over. Yet, the difference is what we eventually do with all of what we have. In church we can even be in it for 30 years and be deader then fried chicken, and drier than a mummy's pockets. Just because you've been in something for 30 or 50 years doesn't mean you have been doing it right all that time. You might really stink at it.

I've met, and known the most beautiful saints of God, and the most dastardly horrible. Jesus didn't tell us to look at the tree, but test the productivity of the fruit. Orange trees get pot bound (Brother Nathaniel Urshan II preached an awesome message years ago about that) Their roots will totally fill the pot, and go nowhere. Old orange trees may look like their fruit is good but if you try it it might taste pithy or bitter. But their are old trees which have the sweetest fruit. you can dress it up, send them to school, and they still kill the teacher. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

[Bro Flame]

Do you happen know why that is?
Yeah, because the church is worldly, preachers don't teach modesty, and Christians think they're saved without living what the Bible says.

[Bro Flame]

Yet, the Pentecostal dress code reveals what? People can dress modest and be full of the devil.

Sinners dressed more modest 50 years ago. So what? There were still adulterers, alcoholics, fornicators, and homosexuals.
True. Sinners can dress modestly. Some still do.

And I've met many a person in "holiness attire" that aren't nice or show any love.

But that doesn't mean Christians shouldn't dress correctly. Men and women can "dress holy" and not be right with God. The heart has to be connected to how they dress, act, and conduct their daily lives in a Christ-like manner. That's a holiness person.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Yeah, because the church is worldly, preachers don't teach modesty, and Christians think they're saved without living what the Bible says.

No, it’s because of a culture of a generation modifies religion as a whole. Do you think Apostolics in other parts of the world all act, and look the same? They don’t even act and look the same in the United States. How about Pentecostals in the early 1900s compared to the Pentecostals in the late 1960s? Modesty has changed a great deal through time. The Bible never changes, but the major majority of Christendom isn’t built on the Bible, but through the culture around that religion.

[Evang.Benincasa]

True. Sinners can dress modestly. Some still do.

And I've met many a person in "holiness attire" that aren't nice or show any love.

But that doesn't mean Christians shouldn't dress correctly. Men and women can "dress holy" and not be right with God. The heart has to be connected to how they dress, act, and conduct their daily lives in a Christ-like manner. That's a holiness person.

Listen, you are either missing his point, or totally ignoring it.

We totally understand the dress accordingly part. He is clearly pointing out that in Christianity, clothes don’t make the man.

[james34]

ive always held to the belief that most of religion in the Pentecost of America, is nothing more than a fake. Most people are so drunk on false religion that they have no idea they are holding a counterfeit.

There were and always will be ways of discerning if we are coming up short of entering into the rest of God.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I've always held to the belief that most of religion in the Pentecost of America, is nothing more than a fake. Most people are so drunk on false religion that they have no idea they are holding a counterfeit.

There were and always will be ways of discerning if we are coming up short of entering into the rest of God.

They are not only drunk on it, they are full blown in a coma.

[Sister Alvear]

I don't cut my hair!

[Amanah]

I don't cut my hair!

Me either, I'm just grateful it doesn't grow past my waist!

[Bro Flame]

Listen, you are either missing his point, or totally ignoring it.

We totally understand the dress accordingly part. He is clearly pointing out that in Christianity, clothes don’t make the man.
I get it.

[Nicodemus1968]

Yes, I know. Same ole, same ole.

But I've noticed through my social media friends that many an Apostolic female, especially in larger cities (as if that has anything to do with it), appear to be cutting their hair. I know some of these females are attendees of UPC and ALJC churches, but some go to independent churches.

I believe I saw somewhere on another Apostolic-aimed page that said their was a "new wave" of theology that specifically taught that "long hair" didn't necessarily mean "uncut hair". Therefore, a lady can cut (or "trim") her hair as long as it is still "long".

But what is "long"?

Wouldn't some form of "rule" have to be employed so the women would know what the pastor, or God for that matter, considered "long"?

Has anyone else come across anything similar?

Just wondering...

Brother, standards was and may still be to this day is how certain church goers judge you. If you’re not dressed a certain way or your hair isn’t the way the last preacher said it should be then by some checklist you’re on your way to a devils hell. I believe in modest dress, I believe that the bride doesn’t look like the world nor should act as the world.

Yet, we left off how to truly love a soul like Christ did. When our Lord walked this earth he rebuked the religious hypocrites for their unbalance of the law, he went as far as to call them “whited graves”. Some believers feel better if they can find fault with another believer, it somehow uplifts their spirit if another has fallen.

Understand this, if a women is cutting her hair, if a man is growing his hair, if someone has fallen into a sin we are commanded to help that brother or sister, instead of making fun of them, or using the scriptures in a perverted way to settle damnation upon their spirit. Be a stepping stone and not a stumbling block.

[Costeon]

ive always held to the belief that most of religion in the Pentecost of America, is nothing more than a fake. Most people are so drunk on false religion that they have no idea they are holding a counterfeit.

There were and always will be ways of discerning if we are coming up short of entering into the rest of God.

Is it fair to assert this when you do not have a personal acquaintance with most people in Pentecost?

[Costeon]

Yes, I know. Same ole, same ole.

But I've noticed through my social media friends that many an Apostolic female, especially in larger cities (as if that has anything to do with it), appear to be cutting their hair. I know some of these females are attendees of UPC and ALJC churches, but some go to independent churches.

I believe I saw somewhere on another Apostolic-aimed page that said their was a "new wave" of theology that specifically taught that "long hair" didn't necessarily mean "uncut hair". Therefore, a lady can cut (or "trim") her hair as long as it is still "long".

But what is "long"?

Wouldn't some form of "rule" have to be employed so the women would know what the pastor, or God for that matter, considered "long"?

Has anyone else come across anything similar?

Just wondering...

I wonder if more pastors are concluding that 1 Cor 11 does not refer to uncut hair and so fewer are teaching that a woman must not cut her hair at all.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I wonder if more pastors are concluding that 1 Cor 11 does not refer to uncut hair and so fewer are teaching that a woman must not cut her hair at all.

How you been?

You must be bored. :lol

[Costeon]

How you been?

You must be bored. :lol

:heeheehee

I've been doing pretty well. I hope you have been as well.

I was just interested in seeing how things were going on the ole AFF.

[Evang.Benincasa]

:heeheehee

I've been doing pretty well. I hope you have been as well.

I was just interested in seeing how things were going on the ole AFF.

It's about 6 posting posters left, but everyone is having fun. While Joe Biden is rocking Jussie Smollett to sleep, and the United States is circling the drain.

[diakonos]

Party like it’s 1999

[Nicodemus1968]

Party like it’s 1999

Or like Weird Al sang it,

“Tonight we’re going to party like it’s 1699”

-Amish Paradise.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Party like it’s 1999

1999 has passed, and the Seventh Day Adventis /Jehovah Witness "Prince" is dead.

Party over. :nod

[diakonos]

1999 has passed, and the Seventh Day Adventis /Jehovah Witness "Prince" is dead.

Party over. :nod

Oops, out of time

[votivesoul]

Are Apostolic women covering their hair now?

[diakonos]

Are Apostolic women covering their hair now?

:nuke

[Michael The Disciple]

Are Apostolic women covering their hair now?

In many of the "Black Churches" yes.

[CC1]

I must confess I cut my hair. Often.



However I am not an Apostolic woman.

[diakonos]

In many of the "Black Churches" yes.

Based on what? Gino Jennings videos?

[diakonos]

I must confess I cut my hair. Often.



However I am not an Apostolic woman.

Nor an apostolic man.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Nor an apostolic man.

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