If the election was today

[jwharv]

If the election was today, who would you vote for?

Out of all those who have thrown there hat into the ring for president who would it be?

[Brother Price]

Easy choice for me...

Fred Thompson. The man has a strong ethic and has not wavered one bit on his stances. He is pro-America, pro-legal immigration, anti-illegal immigration, and pro-family. If he changes on any of these, I will definitely reconsider. But, I think him to be the fair and best choice for our country.

[Digging4Truth]

:fireworksRon Paul:fireworks

:party:party:party
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[Sister Alvear]

I would stand with the christians of long ago and vote for no one....

[ReformedDave]

:fireworksRon Paul:fireworks

:party:party:party
:party:party:party

Amen!

[Old Paths]

Hillary.

[Ferd]

Hillary.

you just lost your point.

[Old Paths]

you just lost your point.



Oooooops forgot the :slaphappy

[Ferd]

Oooooops forgot the :slaphappy

LOL! top of the morning to you!

[crakjak]

Easy choice for me...

Fred Thompson. The man has a strong ethic and has not wavered one bit on his stances. He is pro-America, pro-legal immigration, anti-illegal immigration, and pro-family. If he changes on any of these, I will definitely reconsider. But, I think him to be the fair and best choice for our country.

Fred Thompson would be a strong canidate againsty Hillary, I believe.

[Sister Alvear]

The first Christians lived under a completely different set of principles and values than the rest of mankind. They rejected the world's entertainment, honors, and riches. They were already citizens of another kingdom, and they listened to the voice of a different Master. This was as true of the second century church as it was of the first.
The Letter to Diognetus, the work of an unknown author, written in about 130, describes Christians to the Romans as follows: "They dwell in their own countries simply as sojourners.... They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time, they surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men but are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned. They are put to death, but [will be] restored to life. They are poor, yet they make many rich. They possess few things; yet, they abound in all. They are dishonored, but in their very dishonor are glorified.... And those who hate them are unable to give any reason for their hatred."
Because the earth wasn't their home, the early Christians could say without reservation, like Paul, "to live is Christ, and to die is gain" (Phil. 1:21). Justin Martyr explained to the Romans, "Since our thoughts are not fixed on the present, we are not concerned when men put us to death. Death is a debt we must all pay anyway."
A second-century elder exhorted his congregation, "Brothers, let us willingly leave our sojourn in this present world so we can do the will of Him who called us. And let us not fear to depart out of this world,... deeming the things of this world as not belonging to us, and not ,fixing our desires upon them.... The Lord declares, 'No servant can serve two masters.' If we desire, then, to serve both God and Money, it will be unprofitable for us. 'For what will it profit if a man gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?' This world and the next are two enemies.... We cannot therefore be the friends of both."
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[Sister Alvear]

Cyprian, the respected overseer of the church in Carthage, stressed a similar theme in a letter he wrote to a Christian friend: "The one peaceful and trustworthy tranquility, the one security that is solid, firm, and never changing, is this: for a man to withdraw from the distractions of this world, anchor himself to the firm ground of salvation, and lift his eyes from earth to heaven.... He who is actually greater than the world can crave nothing, can desire nothing, from this world. How stable, how unshakable is that safeguard, how heavenly is the protection in its never-ending blessings-to be free from the snares of this entangling world, to be purged from the dregs of earth, and fitted for the light of eternal immortality."
The same themes run throughout all the writings of the early Christians, from Europe to North Africa: we can't have both Christ and the world.
Lest we think that the early Christians were describing a lifestyle they didn't really practice, we have the testimony of the Romans themselves. One pagan antagonist of the Christians remarked:
They despise the temples as houses of the dead. They reject the gods. They laugh at sacred things. Wretched, they pity our priests. Half-naked themselves, they despise honors and purple robes. What incredible audacity and foolishness! They are not afraid of present torments, but they fear those that are uncertain and future. While they do not fear to die for the present, they fear to die after death....
At least learn from your present situation, you wretched people, what actually awaits you after death. See, many of you-in fact, by your own admission, the majority of you-are in want, are cold, are hungry, and are laboring in hard work. Yet, your god allows it. He is either unwilling or unable to assist his people. So he is either weak or unjust.... Take notice! For you there are threats, punishments, tortures, and crosses.... Where is the god who is supposed to help you when you come back from the dead? He cannot even help you in this life! Do not the Romans, without any help from your god, govern, rule over, and have the enjoyment of the whole world, including dominion over you yourselves?
In the meantime, living in suspense and anxiety, you abstain from respectable pleasures. You do not attend sporting events. You have no interest in public amusements. You reject the public banquets, and abhor the sacred games.... Thus, wretched as you are, you will neither rise from the dead, nor enjoy life in the meanwhile. So, if you have any wisdom or sense, stop prying into the heavens and the destinies and secrets of the world.... Persons who are unable to understand civil matters are certainly unable to discuss divine ones.
When I first read the criticisms that the Romans leveled against the Christians, I painfully realized that no one would accuse Christians today of those same charges. We aren't criticized for being totally absorbed in the interests of a heavenly kingdom, ignoring the things the world has to offer. In fact, Christians today are accused of just the opposite-of being money hungry and hypocritical in our devotion to God
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[ReformedDave]

The first Christians lived under a completely different set of principles and values than the rest of mankind. They rejected the world's entertainment, honors, and riches. They were already citizens of another kingdom, and they listened to the voice of a different Master. This was as true of the second century church as it was of the first.
The Letter to Diognetus, the work of an unknown author, written in about 130, describes Christians to the Romans as follows: "They dwell in their own countries simply as sojourners.... They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time, they surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men but are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned. They are put to death, but [will be] restored to life. They are poor, yet they make many rich. They possess few things; yet, they abound in all. They are dishonored, but in their very dishonor are glorified.... And those who hate them are unable to give any reason for their hatred."
Because the earth wasn't their home, the early Christians could say without reservation, like Paul, "to live is Christ, and to die is gain" (Phil. 1:21). Justin Martyr explained to the Romans, "Since our thoughts are not fixed on the present, we are not concerned when men put us to death. Death is a debt we must all pay anyway."
A second-century elder exhorted his congregation, "Brothers, let us willingly leave our sojourn in this present world so we can do the will of Him who called us. And let us not fear to depart out of this world,... deeming the things of this world as not belonging to us, and not ,fixing our desires upon them.... The Lord declares, 'No servant can serve two masters.' If we desire, then, to serve both God and Money, it will be unprofitable for us. 'For what will it profit if a man gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?' This world and the next are two enemies.... We cannot therefore be the friends of both."
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Since when are post apostolic writings authoritative? Those early christians were heavily influenced by platonic thought that emphasised the 'spiritual' over the 'body.

We have a mandate in Romans 13 to obey our magistrates as they are ministers of God. We also have the responsibility to elect rulers that best reflect the Christian worldview.

[Chan]

Easy choice for me...

Fred Thompson. The man has a strong ethic and has not wavered one bit on his stances. He is pro-America, pro-legal immigration, anti-illegal immigration, and pro-family. If he changes on any of these, I will definitely reconsider. But, I think him to be the fair and best choice for our country.But he hasn't thrown his hat into the ring. He's not an option. Unless your state allows a write-in option, you MUST pick from those who are actually running - not only from among Demoncrats or Republicans but from among the numerous other national parties as well.

[Chan]

If the election was today, who would you vote for?

Out of all those who have thrown there hat into the ring for president who would it be?
Ron Paul.

[Sister Alvear]

Since when are post apostolic writings authoritative? Those early christians were heavily influenced by platonic thought that emphasised the 'spiritual' over the 'body.

We have a mandate in Romans 13 to obey our magistrates as they are ministers of God. We also have the responsibility to elect rulers that best reflect the Christian worldview.


I have no problem obeying the laws as long as they do not violate God´s law...I just copied this from my personal studies that I got from a site...

America does not have much of a choice in my opinion. Sorry if I offended you that was not my intention. I personally do not vote. That is my personal conviction...

[ReformedDave]

I have no problem obeying the laws as long as they do not violate God´s law...I just copied this from my personal studies that I got from a site...

America does not have much of a choice in my opinion. Sorry if I offended you that was not my intention. I personally do not vote. That is my personal conviction...

If God gives us the opportunity to exercise out faith in our vote we have a responsibility to do so. I don't believe it's a matter of personal conviction. We may not have much choice as individuals but God can make much with just a few fish and some bread.

BTW, you didn't offend me. I'm just passionate about somethings and I'm sick and tired of Christians just saying that a prayer meeting will take care of our world's woes. That's how were loosing most of our youth. We must equip them to stand and then we must stand. And that is much more comprehensive then the political world.

[Pressing-On]

:fireworksRon Paul:fireworks

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If I was a betting woman, I would have made some money!

[StillStanding]

I don't know....I'll have to think about it!!!!!!!!! :killinme

[Pressing-On]

I don't know....I'll have to think about it!!!!!!!!! :killinme

I don't get it. :dunno


























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[Titus2Mom]

Ron Paul

[Sister Alvear]

I respect the opinion of others and have friends all mixed (maybe that is not the right word) in politics...you hear it in their services all the time...I do not condemn them that is what they want.
I do not mix in politics yet personally know many of them and they know my opinion but even so pop up at or home and church for prayer.
I have never met one person that politics did not change for the worse...but I speak as a person from Brazil not America.
They are corrupt and corrupt all that get into office. I don´t think God and them mix too well...sorry...and that is just my opinion.

[ReformedDave]

I respect the opinion of others and have friends all mixed (maybe that is not the right word) in politics...you hear it in their services all the time...I do not condemn them that is what they want.
I do not mix in politics yet personally know many of them and they know my opinion but even so pop up at or home and church for prayer.
I have never met one person that politics did not change for the worse...but I speak as a person from Brazil not America.
They are corrupt and corrupt all that get into office. I don´t think God and them mix too well...sorry...and that is just my opinion.

Just because you haven't met anyone involved in politics that isn't 'corrupt' doesn't mean there can't be good politicians. Guess God can be Lord of all...except politics.

[jwharv]

I don't know who I would vote for. I don't have a very good feeling about any of the candidates right now....................

[ChTatum]

You heard it here first.....

The republican ticket will be Guiliani-Thompson.

[Pressing-On]

You heard it here first.....

The republican ticket will be Guiliani-Thompson.

Very interesting, ChTatum, as I couldn't see such a polarizing figure as Guiliani taking a back seat. It's not normally done.

[OP_Carl]

Who do I want for president?

Dwight D. Eisenhower or Ronald Reagan.

[Ferd]

I was watching a series on US Presidents the other day.

I came away with an impression that we have had more mediocre presidents than great ones.

[Digging4Truth]

Who do I want for president?

Dwight D. Eisenhower or Ronald Reagan.

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[AGAPE]

Fred Thompson