Double standard?

[Truthseeker]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

[Praxeas]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees but the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?
I'd probably wear long shorts and call them short pants.

[CupCake]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

You think?

[Jehoram]

Don't even get me started.

[Truthseeker]

Don't even get me started.

please start!

[Theophilus]

Funny, the long shorts, or short pants, are far more modest than the skirts.

I say make both full length and take the guess work, and the inching rebellion, right out of it.

[Theophilus]

I'd probably wear long shorts and call them short pants.

You rebel! ;)


"What are you rebelling against Johnny?"

"What have you got?"

[Felicity]

I say don't make an issue out of young boys wearing shorts. :thumbsup

[Jehoram]

How can we logically present an argument that knee length shorts on a man are more immodest than knee length skirts on women? This argument is so relative and vague. It seems that there is no scriptural evidence being used to support a claim that shorts are immodest.

Further, consider the biblical example of girding the loins. A man would tie his robe up in his belt, exposing most of his legs for all to see. This was done when one engaged in any strenuous activity from warfare to recreational pursuits.

Here is one biblical example of such a practice.

But the hand of the LORD was on Elijah, who girded up his clothing and ran before Ahab as far as the approaches to Jezreel. (NAB)

How can one say that shorts are immodest when the biblical record paints an entirely different picture?

[rgcraig]

Funny, the long shorts, or short pants, are far more modest than the skirts.

I say make both full length and take the guess work, and the inching rebellion, right out of it.

Full length pants or skirts?:slaphappy

[Jehoram]

I say don't make an issue out of young boys wearing shorts. :thumbsup

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me?

[Theophilus]

Full length pants or skirts?:slaphappy

Don't I know you from somewhere? :winkgrin

[rgcraig]

How can we logically present an argument that knee length shorts on a man are more immodest than knee length skirts on women? This argument is so relative and vague. It seems that there is no scriptural evidence being used to support a claim that shorts are immodest.

Further, consider the biblical example of girding the loins. A man would tie his robe up in his belt, exposing most of his legs for all to see. This was done when one engaged in any strenuous activity from warfare to recreational pursuits.

Here is one biblical example of such a practice.

But the hand of the LORD was on Elijah, who girded up his clothing and ran before Ahab as far as the approaches to Jezreel. (NAB)

How can one say that shorts are immodest when the biblical record paints an entirely different picture?Pretty easy.....:roseglasses

[rgcraig]

Don't I know you from somewhere? :winkgrin

:igotit

[CupCake]

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me?

LOl~ Well there are many things I wear I'd never ask my kids to wear, and likewise. I'm older they are younger, so this hold no weight!

[Truthseeker]

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me?

because they are kids.

[Jehoram]

LOl~ Well there are many things I wear I'd never ask my kids to wear, and likewise. I'm older they are younger, so this hold no weight!


The point I was attempting to make was this, "If you think its a sin to wear it youself, why would you allow your little ones wear it?"

[stmatthew]

Tell them they are "Highwaters" :D

[Felicity]

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me? I agree with you in principle actually but we did let our boys wear shorts until they moved into secondary school. However, we never allowed our daughter to wear them. We felt that it would confuse her if we let her wear them when she was little and then refused her to do so when she got older. With the boys, it was just different and was never an issue. When they started secondary school, we disallowed the shorts. They never made a fuss about it.

Consistency is a wonderful thing. I'm a great advocate of it but it's easier said than done sometimes.

[Jehoram]

because they are kids.

No, if shorts are sinful they are sinful. When do you teach them?

When they're 12?


And BTW, I don't think they are sinful.

[stmatthew]

because they are kids.


Train up a child.........

If you let them do it as a child, they will do it as an adult.

[Felicity]

Then again.......I don't have an issue with men wearing shorts as long as when they sit down you don't see from here to forever when you look at their legs. It's impossible to not notice sometimes. :D

[Glenda B]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

Disgruntled Parents, make rebellious children.

[Felicity]

Train up a child.........

If you let them do it as a child, they will do it as an adult.Not true.

[stmatthew]

Then again.......I don't have an issue with men wearing shorts as long as when they sit down you don't see from here to forever when you look at their legs. It's impossible to not notice sometimes. :D

The key is not to look!!!!! :slaphappy

[Jehoram]

I agree with you in principle actually but we did let our boys wear shorts until they moved into secondary school. However, we never allowed our daughter to wear them. We felt that it would confuse her if we let her wear them when she was little and then refused her to do so when she got older. With the boys, it was just different and was never an issue. When they started secondary school, we disallowed the shorts. They never made a fuss about it.

Consistency is a wonderful thing. I'm a great advocate of it but it's easier said than done sometimes.

I just see so many parents who would never be caught dead wearing a pair of shorts because of a supposed standard who allow their kids to do the exact opposite.

[rgcraig]

I agree with you in principle actually but we did let our boys wear shorts until they moved into secondary school. However, we never allowed our daughter to wear them. We felt that it would confuse her if we let her wear them when she was little and then refused her to do so when she got older. With the boys, it was just different and was never an issue. When they started secondary school, we disallowed the shorts. They never made a fuss about it.

Consistency is a wonderful thing. I'm a great advocate of it but it's easier said than done sometimes.

What's consistent about that? Sounds like the double standard - why was it okay to let the boys until secondary school and expect them not to be confused when they couldn't. But, you disallowed your daughter from the beginning?

[Jehoram]

Train up a child.........

If you let them do it as a child, they will do it as an adult.

Not true.

It is not always true, but it is almost always true.

[Theophilus]

Disgruntled Parents, make rebellious children.

Look out...wow...alot of truth for so few words.

[Truthseeker]

Disgruntled Parents, make rebellious children.

HUH? How does this apply to the subject?

[Theophilus]

The key is not to look!!!!! :slaphappy

Bare flesh has a way of drawing the eyes...if you let it. Look away David! Look Away!

[Truthseeker]

Train up a child.........

If you let them do it as a child, they will do it as an adult.


There are things that a child does that as they mature they put away childish things. I know of one minister that let his sons wear shorts til about 13 or so and instructed them into pants.

[stmatthew]

It is not always true, but it is almost always true.


You are right. There are always exceptions, but they are usually just that.

[rgcraig]

HUH? How does this apply to the subject?

Because you are questioning youth camp rules.

[Felicity]

What's consistent about that? Sounds like the double standard - why was it okay to let the boys until secondary school and expect them not to be confused when they couldn't. But, you disallowed your daughter from the beginning?That's what I said, it IS inconsistent! :)

We felt comfortable with our decision. It worked for us. We were criticized for it though. Oh well........ Consistency thou art a jewel .....

Our boys were never confused. Like I said, it just was never an issue.

[Felicity]

There are things that a child does that as they mature they put away childish things. I know of one minister that let his sons wear shorts til about 13 or so and instructed them into pants.Exactly. This was our decision with our boys.

[rgcraig]

That's what I said, it IS inconsistent! :)

We felt comfortable with our decision. It worked for us. We were criticized for it though. Oh well........ Consistency thou art a jewel .....

Our boys were never confused. Like I said, it just was never an issue.

Oh, okay.

[Jehoram]

There are things that a child does that as they mature they put away childish things. I know of one minister that let his sons wear shorts til about 13 or so and instructed them into pants.

What was his reasoning?

1. On your thirteenth birthday shorts become sinful?
2. I am worried about what other preachers will say if you keep wearing shorts after you are thirteen?

[stmatthew]

There are things that a child does that as they mature they put away childish things. I know of one minister that let his sons wear shorts til about 13 or so and instructed them into pants.

We are not talking about childish things. Either dressing in shorts is immodest, or it is ok. If an adult has a conviction that it is immodest, then they should train their children toward that stand.

This is about like telling your kids R rates movies are not appropriate for them, but watching them after hours behind closed doors. But that is another story. :IAM

[Theophilus]

There are things that a child does that as they mature they put away childish things. I know of one minister that let his sons wear shorts til about 13 or so and instructed them into pants.

And how might this idea apply to our progressive walk with the Lord?

[Truthseeker]

Because you are questioning youth camp rules.

It's not so much questioning rules. but why it's ok for a girl to show her legs from a few inches below knees and be ok for camp, but boys can't do the same??

Of course, when we go he will follow the rules.

[Jehoram]

We are not talking about childish things. Either dressing in shorts is immodest, or it is ok. If an adult has a conviction that it is immodest, then they should train their children toward that stand.

This is about like telling your kids R rates movies are not appropriate for them, but watching them after hours behind closed doors. But that is another story. :IAM

Exactly! How foolish is that?

Talk about double standards! And hey, this thread isn't even about preachers!


OMG!!!!!:drama

[SarahElizabeth]

We were ultracons when my son was growing up, so shorts were never an issue and he doesn't wear shorts/short pants in public. ....Now that he is grown and married, what he does inside his home is his business, but churches I attended preached against short sleeves being worn even inside the home.

[CupCake]

The point I was attempting to make was this, "If you think its a sin to wear it youself, why would you allow your little ones wear it?"

Because I think everyone has a right to decide what may be a sin for them. I don't like socks with shoe's, nor do I like hair bows on grown women, I think these things are ugly as sin, but I'm not going to tell my kids they can't wear them because I think it's a sin. Just because I think a grown woman looks awful doing these things that look best on the younger gals under 19.

[Glenda B]

HUH? How does this apply to the subject?

I don't see what's so hard to understand how that applies to the subject.
If our children hear us griping and complaining about how unfair rules are, that makes them start to notice things, then they start grumbling and griping about things, then the next step is to become rebellious about something else they're told they aren't allowed to do. They watch us and listen to us and learn from us, they know more about us than anyone else in the world.

[Theophilus]

It's not so much questioning rules. but why it's ok for a girl to show her legs from a few inches below knees and be ok for camp, but boys can't do the same??

Of course, when we go he will follow the rules.

You might put him in kilts a couple of inches below the knee.

[Felicity]

Oh, okay.One of the reasons we allowed them to wear shorts - which were part of the summer school uniform (our children attended a private British military school grades 1 - 6) - was because it was so HOT and HUMID!!! (We were living in HK at the time.) We just couldn't put those long pants on those little kids who were running and jumping and playing sports, etc. For our daughter, she wore a light summer dress (again school uniform) that was both cool and modest.

But we felt that when they got into secondary school, it was time for them to wear long pants and in fact long pants were part of the summer uniform in the higher grades -- so it made it very simple and very "natural" to make the switch.

[rgcraig]

Exactly! How foolish is that?

Talk about double standards! And hey, this thread isn't even about preachers!


OMG!!!!!:dramaWell, it is if they are the ones watching the R rated movies after they put the kids to bed - lol!

[Truthseeker]

We are not talking about childish things. Either dressing in shorts is immodest, or it is ok. If an adult has a conviction that it is immodest, then they should train their children toward that stand.

This is about like telling your kids R rates movies are not appropriate for them, but watching them after hours behind closed doors. But that is another story. :IAM


Can immodesty vary according to age? is a child showing their lower legs immodest?

can one say it's immodest for an ADULT but not a child? My daughter wears shirts I wouldn't want my wife to wear.

A skirt two inches below the knee on my wife is a no go, but on my 6 year old it doesn't bother me.

[CupCake]

I just see so many parents who would never be caught dead wearing a pair of shorts because of a supposed standard who allow their kids to do the exact opposite.

You have your answer. It's a standard, not bible, nor a sin unto heaven or hell!

[Jehoram]

Because I think everyone has a right to decide what may be a sin for them. I don't like socks with shoe's, nor do I like hair bows on grown women, I think these things are ugly as sin, but I'm not going to tell my kids they can't wear them because I think it's a sin. Just because I think a grown woman looks awful doing these things that look best on the younger gals under 19.


Are you gonna let your kids make their own decisions about drugs, alcohol and sex as well? What about stealing and murder? How do they determine what is sin? Who is teaching them values? A young child needs guiderails.

Frightening!

[Theophilus]

I don't see what's so hard to understand how that applies to the subject.
If our children hear us griping and complaining about how unfair rules are, that makes them start to notice things, then they start grumbling and griping about things, then the next step is to become rebellious about something else they're told they aren't allowed to do. They watch us and listen to us and learn from us, they know more about us than anyone else in the world.

Kind of reminds me of a verse in Matthew.

Mt 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

[Truthseeker]

I don't see what's so hard to understand how that applies to the subject.
If our children hear us griping and complaining about how unfair rules are, that makes them start to notice things, then they start grumbling and griping about things, then the next step is to become rebellious about something else they're told they aren't allowed to do. They watch us and listen to us and learn from us, they know more about us than anyone else in the world.

But that's not the case here. My son will be instructed to follow the rules.


I hope you weren't assuming that was the case here.

[Margies3]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

Oh Oh Oh!!! I know the answer to this one, teacher!!!

It's cuz there's nothing sexier than a man's ugly hairy legs!! You wouldn't want to tempt all those girls, wouldja?

:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:kill inme:killinme:killinme:killinme

[Felicity]

I don't see what's so hard to understand how that applies to the subject.
If our children hear us griping and complaining about how unfair rules are, that makes them start to notice things, then they start grumbling and griping about things, then the next step is to become rebellious about something else they're told they aren't allowed to do. They watch us and listen to us and learn from us, they know more about us than anyone else in the world.I think you're taking Truthseeker's questioning a little far.

Who said he was griping and complaining about anything to his children? He simply voiced his question and concern here.

There's a difference.

[Theophilus]

Are you gonna let your kids make decisions about drugs, alcohol and sex as well? What about stealing and murder? How do they determine what is sin? Who is teaching them values?

Frightening!


(cleaning tea off the screen)

[Scott Hutchinson]

Truthseeker, I believe your son is a good boy and I hope he enjoys camp.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by CupCake
Because I think everyone has a right to decide what may be a sin for them.

She was talking about kids.


(cleaning tea off the screen)

Sorry Bro!

[SarahElizabeth]

We used to attend a church like Bro. Epley's so we just listened to what the preacher told us and obeyed....If we did more than was required, at least we didn't have to worry about mixed signals and double standards...Not condemning anyone who allows things we didn't...but life was simple and what was told to us as right and wrong was just accepted. Please don't attack me for my observations of yester years...I still have an earache..

[Truthseeker]

I think you're taking Truthseeker's questioning a little far.

Who said he was griping and complaining about anything to his children? He simply voiced his question and concern here.

There's a difference.

Right, i wouldn't convey the double standard to him, he will eventually probably pick up on it on his own!

[rgcraig]

I think you're taking Truthseeker's questioning a little far.

Who said he was griping and complaining about anything to his children? He simply voiced his question and concern here.

There's a difference.

Exactly!

[Theophilus]

Oh Oh Oh!!! I know the answer to this one, teacher!!!

It's cuz there's nothing sexier than a man's ugly hairy legs!! You wouldn't want to tempt all those girls, wouldja?

:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:kill inme:killinme:killinme:killinme

I made the yearbook by way of my cut off sweat pants that I wore all the time. I confess...I was a "jock."

I was quoted in reply to the question:

What is your favorite piece of clothing and why?

I replied:

My cut off sweats, because they show off my sexy legs.

I knew what I was doing to those poor teenage girls.

[CupCake]

I don't see what's so hard to understand how that applies to the subject.
If our children hear us griping and complaining about how unfair rules are, that makes them start to notice things, then they start grumbling and griping about things, then the next step is to become rebellious about something else they're told they aren't allowed to do. They watch us and listen to us and learn from us, they know more about us than anyone else in the world.

How would life be today if Rosa Parks, a black woman, who refused to give up her seat to a white man. Somethings are subject to questing even complying , specifiably something that hold no weight toward their salvation, nor can bible back it up, and taught as a sin , ( heaven or hell)

[Truthseeker]

Truthseeker, I believe your son is a good boy and I hope he enjoys camp.

OH we don't need no peacemaker around here!


LOL:largehalo

[Theophilus]

Sorry Bro!


No problem...it wouldn't be the first time.

[Margies3]

I made the yearbook by way of my cut off sweat pants that I wore all the time. I confess...I was a "jock."

I was quoted in reply to the question:

What is your favorite piece of clothing and why?

I replied:

My cut off sweats, because they show off my sexy legs.

I knew what I was doing to those poor teenage girls.

My guess would be that it wasn't your sexy legs that was doing it to those poor teenage girls. Girls were probably turned on by your adorable face :)

































and grossed out by your hairy legs!!! :slaphappy

[Felicity]

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all the people all the time nor can you be perfectly consistent in everything. It's impossible.

If you take the time to talk to your children and explain things to them and do you best to use good judgment, common sense and make Scripture applicable and practical as it's written, the kids will be okay. You don't have to worry.

:)

[CupCake]

Are you gonna let your kids make their own decisions about drugs, alcohol and sex as well? What about stealing and murder? How do they determine what is sin? Who is teaching them values? A young child needs guiderails.

Frightening!

They are all adults now, no they don't do these things above. But when it comes down to it, it's their decisions to whether they do these things or not. Yes we taught values, this is not the same as telling a child their going to hell for wearing short, because "I said so, not bible"!

[SarahElizabeth]

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all the people all the time nor can you be perfectly consistent in everything. It's impossible.

If you take the time to talk to your children and explain things to them and do you best to use good judgment, common sense and make Scripture applicable and practical as it's taught, the kids will be okay. You don't have to worry.

:)

Exactly...Felicity...Strive for consistency, but if you are totally consistent, you are "totally perfect" ...(Am I redundant here...lol?) Show them the love of God.......Teach them in the HOME, as well as the church and when they grow old, they won't depart - They won't dress like heatherns.

[Scott Hutchinson]

A double standard yes ,I dated a girl once who told me oh I never cut my hair no way it's a sin ,I just burn my ends.Oh boy.
Needless to say that deal broke off and she got her picture back.

[Truthseeker]

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all the people all the time nor can you be perfectly consistent in everything. It's impossible.

If you take the time to talk to your children and explain things to them and do you best to use good judgment, common sense and make Scripture applicable and practical as it's taught, the kids will be okay. You don't have to worry.

:)


I don't think there is nothing more challeging then raising kids. Don't want to be to strict but not too loose. I realize more and more how much we need God every day. need him to parent, need to go to work, need him to be a husband etc....

[Jehoram]

They are all adults now, no they don't do these things above. But when it comes down to it, it's their decisions to whether they do these things or not. Yes we taught values, this is not the same as telling a child their going to hell for wearing short, because "I said so, not bible"!


But that is not what you said. You IMPLIED that you did not tell your kids what is sin, you let them decide for themselves. And yes we were talking about young kids.

[rgcraig]

Exactly...Felicity...Strive for consistency, but if you are totally consistent, you are "totally perfect" ...(Am I redundant here...lol?) Show them the love of God.......Teach them in the HOME, as well as the church and when they grow old, they won't depart - They won't dress like heatherns.

But, back to the question.....why can young boys not show their calves and girls can?

[Theophilus]

How would life be today if Rosa Parks, a black woman, who refused to give up her seat to a white man. Somethings are subject to questing even complying , specifiably something that hold no weight toward their salvation, nor can bible back it up, and taught as a sin , ( heaven or hell)

Quite frankly, I think the short skirts are walking the fine wire over the lake of fire far before the long shorts.

[Glenda B]

I think you're taking Truthseeker's questioning a little far.

Who said he was griping and complaining about anything to his children? He simply voiced his question and concern here.

There's a difference.

So please do excuse me, I was just making an attempt to clearify what Truthseeker did not understand.
And this is an open forum and anyone can read the posts. So if we would bring it before who know's who may read, how did I know it had not been discussed at home. We should never discuss things about out church in the presence of our children. Lots of times they are listening when we have no idea.
It amazes me the personal and private things people will reveal about themselves and their families into an open Forum before who knows how many strangers to read.

[SarahElizabeth]

A double standard yes ,I dated a girl once who told me oh I never cut my hair no way it's a sin ,I just burn my ends.Oh boy.
Needless to say that deal broke off and she got her picture back.

I had two sisters who showed me how to do that when I started to church back in the 70s...I thought that was so hypocritical. I was not interested in learning how to burn my hair!

[Jehoram]

But, back to the question.....why can young boys not show their calves and girls can?

Judging by our last youth convention young girls are showing much more than their calves? The whole cow was right there for all to see.

[Truthseeker]

maybe we should all keep it simple and wear blankets like the conservative muslim?

[Theophilus]

But, back to the question.....why can young boys not show their calves and girls can?

Calves not a problem, but the knee bone is connected to something and so on.

[SarahElizabeth]

But, back to the question.....why can young boys not show their calves and girls can?

I personally think we can not say that it is wrong for boys......If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. I think if the original 12 disciples were here on earth, we'd be amazed at how they dressed. I don't think they would worry about elbows and calves!

[Theophilus]

Judging by our last youth convention young girls are showing much more than their calves? The whole cow was right there for all to see.

Funny, I almost posted the same idea...LOL!

[Truthseeker]

So please do excuse me, I was just making an attempt to clearify what Truthseeker did not understand.
And this is an open forum and anyone can read the posts. So if we would bring it before who know's who may read, how did I know it had not been discussed at home. We should never discuss things about out church in the presence of our children. Lots of times they are listening when we have no idea.
It amazes me the personal and private things people will reveal about themselves and their families into an open Forum before who knows how many strangers to read.


Amen to not speaking stuff in front of the kids, although some stuff they will see for themsleves.

[rgcraig]

Judging by our last youth convention young girls are showing much more than their calves? The whole cow was right there for all to see.

LOL!!!!!!

I know what you mean......they stand up and before they have a chance to readjust their tops you get a glimpse of their dunlop!

[CupCake]

She was talking about kids.




Sorry Bro!

Yes I understand it was kids, to tell a child it's a sin to wear short and will end up in hell if they do is wrong, in my book. I grew up with parents who never wore shorts, they didn't go to church, so it had nothing to do with that. I think kids can learn from their parents values of what is right and wrong through our own actions without telling them it's a sin. As a teen I never wore shorts because I never saw my parent do it, nor have my kids growing up because I and their father never have.

[Truthseeker]

Judging by our last youth convention young girls are showing much more than their calves? The whole cow was right there for all to see.
Are talking about the behind huggin skirts we see now days? Like where are the fathers, out to lunch??

[deseret]

What is a dunlop? Is that a tire brand?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I had two sisters who showed me how to do that when I started to church back in the 70s...I thought that was so hypocritical. I was not interested in learning how to burn my hair!

That gal played me like a guitar she pretened to have affections for me ,just so I would buy her things.I bought her a Thompson Chain Biblethat I wish I would have kept for myself ,but she really needed to read it.:slaphappy

[rgcraig]

Amen to not speaking stuff in front of the kids, although some stuff they will see for themsleves.

Oh, so you DO understand.....lol!

[Theophilus]

I personally think we can not say that it is wrong for boys......If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. I think if the original 12 disciples were here on earth, we'd be amazed at how they dressed. I don't think they would worry about elbows and calves!

Until the little foxes decide it is mealtime.

[deseret]

What is more likely to incite lust? The calves of a male, or those of a female. I have never met a female that was into calves.

[CupCake]

But that is not what you said. You IMPLIED that you did not tell your kids what is sin, you let them decide for themselves. And yes we were talking about young kids.

No I have never told my kids wearing short is a sin, because is not! Yet today as young adults they still don't wear them, their choice!

[rgcraig]

What is a dunlop? Is that a tire brand?

Where their stomach or love handles have done lopped over the top of their skirt.

[Jehoram]

Are talking about the behind huggin skirts we see now days? Like where are the fathers, out to lunch??

I honestly wished that some of those gals would go get a pair of britches. It would have been less revealing.

[SarahElizabeth]

That gal played me like a guitar she pretened to have affections for me ,just so I would buy her things.I bought her a Thompson Chain Biblethat I wish I would have kept for myself ,but she really needed to read it.:slaphappy

Be grateful for your wife!...Well, did the woman who played you like a guitar ever read her Thompson Chain Bible or do you know?.......You bought her the right thing - getting that girl a Bible.

[Felicity]

So please do excuse me, I was just making an attempt to clearify what Truthseeker did not understand.
And this is an open forum and anyone can read the posts. So if we would bring it before who know's who may read, how did I know it had not been discussed at home. We should never discuss things about out church in the presence of our children. Lots of times they are listening when we have no idea.
It amazes me the personal and private things people will reveal about themselves and their families into an open Forum before who knows how many strangers to read.Well, TS certainly doesn't need my defense. He's well able to answer for himself but I don't see where he revealed anything of a personal or private nature myself.

*shrug*

Anyhow....... carry on. :)

[deseret]

Where their stomach or love handles have done lopped over the top of their skirt.

That sounds gross.

[Theophilus]

maybe we should all keep it simple and wear blankets like the conservative muslim?

If they have their way with the school systems...that will be next.

[CupCake]

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all the people all the time nor can you be perfectly consistent in everything. It's impossible.

If you take the time to talk to your children and explain things to them and do you best to use good judgment, common sense and make Scripture applicable and practical as it's written, the kids will be okay. You don't have to worry.

:)

Agree~ common sense goes a long ways~ Now get back to the kitchen woman....;)

[Jehoram]

Bottom line?

Cover your bottom.

[Theophilus]

Where their stomach or love handles have done lopped over the top of their skirt.

That's it, I'm outta here...before I'm cleaning more than tea off the screen

[Truthseeker]

Oh, so you DO understand.....lol!

understand what? what ya talking about?





































LOL

[Scott Hutchinson]

Be grateful for your wife!...Well, did the woman who played you like a guitar ever read her Thompson Chain Bible or do you know?.......You bought her the right thing - getting that girl a Bible.

God looks out for Idiots and children so He looked out for me.
I got a good one.Pity the poor guy who got the other gal.

[Glenda B]

That gal played me like a guitar she pretened to have affections for me ,just so I would buy her things.I bought her a Thompson Chain Biblethat I wish I would have kept for myself ,but she really needed to read it.:slaphappy

Brother Scott,
Maybe if she isn't using it and you ask real nice, she will return it to you. :winkgrin

[stmatthew]

I personally think we can not say that it is wrong for boys......If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. I think if the original 12 disciples were here on earth, we'd be amazed at how they dressed. I don't think they would worry about elbows and calves!

They probably wouldn't, as they would have folks toeing the line and all NEKKID ELBOWS and KNEES would be well covert.



HEY I Just got a revelation here. The word "covert" is real close to the word "convert". It is a sign from God that those that convert will get covert. :D

[Jehoram]

That's it, I'm outta here...before I'm cleaning more than tea off the screen

:vomit:vomit:vomit:vomit:vomit:vomit:vomit:vomit


:igotit

[Felicity]

Agree~ common sense goes a long ways~ Now get back to the kitchen woman....;)What do you mean get back to the kitchen ....... I'm in the kitchen! :winkgrin

[CupCake]

What do you mean get back to the kitchen ....... I'm in the kitchen! :winkgrin

But are you barefoot and .........:choir:sshhh

[Scott Hutchinson]

Brother Scott,
Maybe if she isn't using it and you ask real nice, she will return it to you. :winkgrin

I don't know where she is and hopefully she is in the North Pole.
She made her brag she would get my car.
Listen that girl's Pastor called my pastor about that.
She told some of her Pastor's granddaughters and that man called my pastor.

[SarahElizabeth]

I don't know where she is and hopefully she is in the North Pole.
She made her brag she would get my car.
Listen that girl's Pastor called my pastor about that.
She told some of her Pastor's granddaughters and that man called my pastor.


Why would she say she would get your car?...Gonna use the cigarette lighter to burn her hair???

[HeavenlyOne]

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me?

I wore pantyhose but wouldn't let my 8 yr old daughter wear them.

I will go out in the cold without a coat but my kids better not try it.

There are things I wear that my kids cannot. There are things I do that my kids cannot.

Kids can tell the difference. They aren't as stupid as we think.

[Felicity]

But are you barefoot and .........:choir:sshhhBarefoot - yes! The other........NO WAY! :killinme

[Jehoram]

I wore pantyhose but wouldn't let my 8 yr old daughter wear them.

I will go out in the cold without a coat but my kids better not try it.

There are things I wear that my kids cannot. There are things I do that my kids cannot.

Kids can tell the difference. They aren't as stupid as we think.

Well, most of 'em.:slaphappy

[Glenda B]

Our young people are wise beyond their years. They mature much to fast We need to keep them innocent just as long as we possibly can. I wish I had mine to raise again. But you have only one chance with a precious gift God has placed in your care, and you had better make the best of it, there are no second chances. Once a child has lost their innocence there's no going back. I see so many Mother pushing their daughters into maturity because of popularity, they dress them to provocative for their age. I saw one picture some months back where a Mother posted of her daughter in a low strapless Prom dress. She said she made her wear a wrap to go out, but she posted the picture on here without the wrap. How many people do you think may have looked at that picture of her daughter? Please Mothers, treasure that child and don't make her into an adult before it's time to do so.

[HeavenlyOne]

The point I was attempting to make was this, "If you think its a sin to wear it youself, why would you allow your little ones wear it?"

Not so much that I'd consider it a sin, but there are things children wear that aren't appropriate for adults to wear....or appropriate for adults to wear in certain situations, but for kids, it's not a big deal.

[Felicity]

Our young people are wise beyond their years. They mature much to fast We need to keep them innocent just as long as we possibly can. I wish I had mine to raise again. But you have only one chance with a precious gift God has placed in your care, and you had better make the best of it, there are no second chances. Once a child has lost their innocence there's no going back. I see so many Mother pushing their daughters into maturity because of popularity, they dress them to provocative for their age. I saw one picture some months back where a Mother posted of her daughter in a low strapless Prom dress. She said she made her wear a wrap to go out, but she posted the picture on here without the wrap. How many people do you think may have looked at that picture of her daughter? Please Mothers, treasure that child and don't make her into an adult before it's time to do so.Good post!

[CupCake]

Barefoot - yes! The other........NO WAY! :killinme

Now Felicity you know very well, it's got be the whole nine yards to count.....:roseglasses

[CupCake]

I wore pantyhose but wouldn't let my 8 yr old daughter wear them.

I will go out in the cold without a coat but my kids better not try it.

There are things I wear that my kids cannot. There are things I do that my kids cannot.

Kids can tell the difference. They aren't as stupid as we think.

Agree~ Kids are not blind or deaf....:blah

[Jehoram]

Agree~ Kids are not blind or deaf....:blah

just dumb

[The Swordsman]

1Corinthians 8:9

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

[CupCake]

just dumb

No such thing as dumb kids, just dumb parents~:slaphappy

[HeavenlyOne]

Train up a child.........

If you let them do it as a child, they will do it as an adult.

Actually, give us a little more credit than that. We, as adults, understand that there are things we no longer do as adults just because we did them as children.

My kids were allowed snacks and drinks in church as toddlers. There came a time when that was considered wrong and not once did they whine about it being ok one day and not the next.

They are now teens and still don't eat or drink in church.....:D.

There are lots of things I did as a child that I don't do as an adult.

Even the Bible says 'when I was a child, I spake as a child, I thought as a child......but when I became a man (adult), I put away childish things'.

I used to wear cute underpants (not underwear, but kinda like bloomers) under my dresses when I was a little girl. There came a time when those were no longer appropriate for me to wear and my mother stopped putting them on me.

While I understand why you said what you said, I have never agreed with anyone who says that. I've heard people tell me that about my own children and they've been proven wrong everytime.

[HeavenlyOne]

I just see so many parents who would never be caught dead wearing a pair of shorts because of a supposed standard who allow their kids to do the exact opposite.

I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a short dress with bloomers either, but I allowed my daughter to wear them as an infant and toddler.

I wouldn't be caught dead in pajamas with feet, but my kids wore them for years.

[The Swordsman]

Barefoot - yes! The other........NO WAY! :killinme

Genesis 21:6

And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Why would she say she would get your car?...Gonna use the cigarette lighter to burn her hair???

That ole gal thought she get anything from me.See her folks would hop around from Apostolic church to Apostolic church trying get things from the people .The old Elder over the church she was going to when I met her was caused alot of grief by these people.

[CupCake]

Actually, give us a little more credit than that. We, as adults, understand that there are things we no longer do as adults just because we did them as children.

My kids were allowed snacks and drinks in church as toddlers. There came a time when that was considered wrong and not once did they whine about it being ok one day and not the next.

They are now teens and still don't eat or drink in church.....:D.

There are lots of things I did as a child that I don't do as an adult.

Even the Bible says 'when I was a child, I spake as a child, I thought as a child......but when I became a man (adult), I put away childish things'.

I used to wear cute underpants (not underwear, but kinda like bloomers) under my dresses when I was a little girl. There came a time when those were no longer appropriate for me to wear and my mother stopped putting them on me.

While I understand why you said what you said, I have never agreed with anyone who says that. I've heard people tell me that about my own children and they've been proven wrong everytime.

Good points~ And very true!

[HeavenlyOne]

What's consistent about that? Sounds like the double standard - why was it okay to let the boys until secondary school and expect them not to be confused when they couldn't. But, you disallowed your daughter from the beginning?

I understand her reasoning, and I believe (I know I'm behind, but you all are busy on this thread!) that it had to do more with HER being consistent in her teaching than of the teaching itself, if that makes any sense.

People have told me that I'm raising confused children by allowing my daughter to wear pants everywhere but church, but I've been consistent in my teaching her that she wears skirts to church, regardless what she wears elsewhere.

She's almost 14 and I have never had to tell her to change her clothes before church for dressing inappropriately. She knows why I have raised her this way, and she's not confused.

[HeavenlyOne]

We are not talking about childish things. Either dressing in shorts is immodest, or it is ok. If an adult has a conviction that it is immodest, then they should train their children toward that stand.

This is about like telling your kids R rates movies are not appropriate for them, but watching them after hours behind closed doors. But that is another story. :IAM

You have a daughter. When she was an infant and toddler, did her dresses always to go her knee or lower?

Probably not.....yet I bet they do today!

[HeavenlyOne]

Can immodesty vary according to age? is a child showing their lower legs immodest?

can one say it's immodest for an ADULT but not a child? My daughter wears shirts I wouldn't want my wife to wear.

A skirt two inches below the knee on my wife is a no go, but on my 6 year old it doesn't bother me.

Did you mean, above the knee? :)

[HeavenlyOne]

So please do excuse me, I was just making an attempt to clearify what Truthseeker did not understand.
And this is an open forum and anyone can read the posts. So if we would bring it before who know's who may read, how did I know it had not been discussed at home. We should never discuss things about out church in the presence of our children. Lots of times they are listening when we have no idea.
It amazes me the personal and private things people will reveal about themselves and their families into an open Forum before who knows how many strangers to read.

Isn't the internet wonderful??

[HeavenlyOne]

Judging by our last youth convention young girls are showing much more than their calves? The whole cow was right there for all to see.

*now cleaning tea off my screen*

[HeavenlyOne]

LOL!!!!!!

I know what you mean......they stand up and before they have a chance to readjust their tops you get a glimpse of their dunlop!

*now I need a new keyboard!*

[HeavenlyOne]

Well, most of 'em.:slaphappy

LOL! I agree!

[HeavenlyOne]

I never did let my son wear pantyhose, HO.


Sarah, stop that!!


:killinme

[HeavenlyOne]

Our young people are wise beyond their years. They mature much to fast We need to keep them innocent just as long as we possibly can. I wish I had mine to raise again. But you have only one chance with a precious gift God has placed in your care, and you had better make the best of it, there are no second chances. Once a child has lost their innocence there's no going back. I see so many Mother pushing their daughters into maturity because of popularity, they dress them to provocative for their age. I saw one picture some months back where a Mother posted of her daughter in a low strapless Prom dress. She said she made her wear a wrap to go out, but she posted the picture on here without the wrap. How many people do you think may have looked at that picture of her daughter? Please Mothers, treasure that child and don't make her into an adult before it's time to do so.

I don't like a lot of the styles that are out there for children. My kids are 13 and 16 and they wear what I buy them, not that they'd want to wear anything else. My kids dress modestly at all times, always have, and they also don't like the styles that are out there.

[HeavenlyOne]

Wow, I finally caught up and see that I'm the only one talking!!!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well I wear pjs to sleep in but I don't wear them to funerals and such.
I certainly don't wear muscle shirts as I don't want gals lusting after my armpit hairs.

[Scott Hutchinson]

HO now wipe some more tea off of the screen.

[Glenda B]

Isn't the internet wonderful??

Yes it is a wonderful tool. We just need not reveal to much personal information for the Pedofile ( mispelled maybe ) stalkers, child molesters, and those into child ponography, all those creeps who are out there when you least expect them to be. We've seen some of the things in times past about the things that's crept into these forums. We can't be to careful. It's really sad, but that's just the way it is.

[HeavenlyOne]

HO now wipe some more tea off of the screen.

Oh, I am!

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes it is a wonderful tool. We just need not reveal to much personal information for the Pedofile ( mispelled maybe ) stalkers, child molesters, and those into child ponography, all those creeps who are out there when you least expect them to be. We've seen some of the things in times past about the things that's crept into these forums. We can't be to careful. It's really sad, but that's just the way it is.

Now I'm really confused. How does this thread relate to your post above?

I don't get how talking about a double standard in church alerts the pedophiles as to our whereabouts.

[Glenda B]

Now I'm really confused. How does this thread relate to your post above?

I don't get how talking about a double standard in church alerts the pedophiles as to our whereabouts.

Oh you're a smart cookie, I think you'll figure it out. In post # 129 you highlighted what I said about revealing to many personal facts about yourself on an open forum, so I gave you Just a little hint.

[Ronzo]

Double standard?
No thanks, one's more than enough.


:D

[Sam]

... Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

yes, double standard
or
just another inconsistency

so what's new?

[Praxeas]

You rebel! ;)


"What are you rebelling against Johnny?"

"What have you got?"
Oingo Boingo...no wait..Men down under?

[Praxeas]

I will say if it is wrong for an adult it's wrong for a kid. Why would you let your kid wear something you wouldn't wear? That has always baffled me?
Amen, if you can wear pants, so can your daughter :slaphappy

BTW is the converse true? If the adult can do it can the kid?

[HeavenlyOne]

Oh you're a smart cookie, I think you'll figure it out. In post # 129 you highlighted what I said about revealing to many personal facts about yourself on an open forum, so I gave you Just a little hint.

Sorry, but I still fail to see what your point is considering the thread topic.

It's like someone posting a how-to on unclogging a toilet and you come along and talk about the last time you made a pie.

Thanks for thinking I'm a smart cookie, but I'm not that smart.

[Pressing-On]

Amen, if you can wear pants, so can your daughter :slaphappy

BTW is the converse true? If the adult can do it can the kid?

Is that like if it's rated PG-13 a thirteen year old Christian can watch it because the adult is? :winkgrin

[Praxeas]

I guess...which just goes to show how messed up we can be when it comes to logic and thinking critically

[Jehoram]

I guess...which just goes to show how messed up we can be when it comes to logic and thinking critically


Praxeas, sometimes I have no idea what you are trying to communicate. I see the words you type, I read the words you type, but there is no coherent thought involved.

What are you saying here? Are you saying you think its okay for folks to wear shorts? Are you saying parents shouldn't wear 'em and kids can?

What is your point?

[Steve Epley]

No one wants to them boys ole ugly legs. Forget it.

[Jehoram]

I will say that knee shorts are gaining acceptance within the movement. Make-up and "purpose" jewelry is as well.

[Digging4Truth]

I will say that knee shorts are gaining acceptance within the movement. Make-up and "purpose" jewelry is as well.

It's all "purpose" jewelry.

Some little emotional feely goody thing can be found to attach to anything one would want to attach it to.

[Jehoram]

It's all "purpose" jewelry.

Some little emotional feely goody thing can be found to attach to anything one would want to attach it to.

Yep, my belly-button ring was handed down from generations past.










:sshhh

[Theophilus]

Oingo Boingo...no wait..Men down under?

The Wild One (1953)

[Glenda B]

Sorry, but I still fail to see what your point is considering the thread topic.

It's like someone posting a how-to on unclogging a toilet and you come along and talk about the last time you made a pie.

Thanks for thinking I'm a smart cookie, but I'm not that smart.

Oh you're a smart cookie, I think you'll figure it out. In post # 129 you highlighted what I said about revealing to many personal facts about yourself on an open forum, so I gave you Just a little hint.

I just don't have enough time to spell... it.... all.... out. "sorry"

[Truthseeker]

Actually, give us a little more credit than that. We, as adults, understand that there are things we no longer do as adults just because we did them as children.

My kids were allowed snacks and drinks in church as toddlers. There came a time when that was considered wrong and not once did they whine about it being ok one day and not the next.

They are now teens and still don't eat or drink in church.....:D.

There are lots of things I did as a child that I don't do as an adult.

Even the Bible says 'when I was a child, I spake as a child, I thought as a child......but when I became a man (adult), I put away childish things'.

I used to wear cute underpants (not underwear, but kinda like bloomers) under my dresses when I was a little girl. There came a time when those were no longer appropriate for me to wear and my mother stopped putting them on me.

While I understand why you said what you said, I have never agreed with anyone who says that. I've heard people tell me that about my own children and they've been proven wrong everytime.

makes sense to me, that's the route I'm going with my kids.

[Truthseeker]

I understand her reasoning, and I believe (I know I'm behind, but you all are busy on this thread!) that it had to do more with HER being consistent in her teaching than of the teaching itself, if that makes any sense.

People have told me that I'm raising confused children by allowing my daughter to wear pants everywhere but church, but I've been consistent in my teaching her that she wears skirts to church, regardless what she wears elsewhere.

She's almost 14 and I have never had to tell her to change her clothes before church for dressing inappropriately. She knows why I have raised her this way, and she's not confused.

Why would pants be wrong in church?

[Truthseeker]

Did you mean, above the knee? :)

Nope, I meant below the knee. two inches below the knee on my wife is still two high.

[Truthseeker]

No one wants to them boys ole ugly legs. Forget it.


I'm curious of your thoughts on this. Is it inconsistent to say it's ok for a girl to have skirts below her knees but a boy can't with shorts?

[Truthseeker]

I will say that knee shorts are gaining acceptance within the movement. Make-up and "purpose" jewelry is as well.

don't forget fancy suits and ties! they are for adornment only.

[HeavenlyOne]

Why would pants be wrong in church?

Pants aren't wrong in church, but since we attend a UPC church with standards beliefs, when we attend, we follow them in our dress. It's a choice I made a long time ago to abide by, and it doesn't make us look rebellious.....LOL!

[Truthseeker]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

Bump for old time sakes.

[pelathais]

I was reading the rules for youth camp that my son will be going to.

The girls are to wear skirts a couple inches below the knees and the boys pants. Why is ok for a girl to wear skirts past their knees but boys can't wear long shorts past their knees??


Double standard?

Bump for old time sakes.
Yes.