HotCoffee and Billy Price?

[deseret]

Where are the two in question? I now have no one in my Amen corner. :)

[deseret]

Is there anybody out there?

[jwharv]

I am out here. But can't answer your question................

[Glenda B]

Where are the two in question? I now have no one in my Amen corner. :)

I still believe you have to repent of ALL your sins ( turn completely the other direction, make an about face ), get baptised in Jesus Name in order for those sins to be remitted, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. become a new creation in Christ,You have to live a seperated overcoming life, (we have to live here but we don't partake of the evil all around us) thrn we go find us a good church and pastor who preaches and teaches what it takes to be saved, and what it takes to stay saved. We can not stay saved without a pastor.

It's so sad to see many many who are sincere in the way they think, but they are sincerely wrong. I've been making an attempt to avoid some things I can't agree with.

[Sheltiedad]

It's so sad to see many many who are sincere in the way they think, but they are sincerely wrong

Agreed. :)

[deseret]

I feel a shout coming on!

[Glenda B]

I feel a shout coming on!

:choir

"I feel a wave of glory strong"

[Felicity]

Where are the two in question? I now have no one in my Amen corner. :)Say something I agree with and I'll AMEN you. I promise! :winkgrin

[deseret]

Say something I agree with and I'll AMEN you. I promise! :winkgrin

I don't know what will make you agreeable. That avatar is scary. :)

[rgcraig]

FELICITY!!!!

I know you want PC hair, but goodness......just wait until your's grows out a bit more.

That avatar is scary!

[Revelationist]

Where are the two in question? I now have no one in my Amen corner. :)

The coffee will soon cool off... how's that?

:slaphappy

[RandyWayne]

FELICITY!!!!

I know you want PC hair, but goodness......just wait until your's grows out a bit more.

That avatar is scary!

"Ahhh Zira! I suggest you put Taylor back in his cage." -voiced by Roddy McDowell

[deseret]

I got a private message from hotcoffee. She is leaving and never coming back. Her and Price left me here all alone. :(

[freeatlast]

I got a private message from hotcoffee. She is leaving and never coming back. Her and Price left me here all alone. :(

Billy Boy has left before and swore he'd never come back to this den of sin, but he returned.

Don't fret, Bill will be back. Sometimes he's hard to recognize, if he get's wind of a new doct:winkgrinrine.

[Old Paths]

I got a private message from hotcoffee. She is leaving and never coming back. Her and Price left me here all alone. :(

Ps 102:7

7 I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.
KJV

[Glenda B]

**Quoted post deleted**

I don't know what your insinuateing, but I've never met Bro. Price, and I don't think my husband would approve of this little piece of Gossip.

[Pressing-On]

FELICITY!!!!

I know you want PC hair, but goodness......just wait until your's grows out a bit more.

That avatar is scary!
You might want to edit this now or not. :killinme

[Sam]

I don't know what your insinuateing, but I've never met Bro. Price, and I don't think my husband would approve of this little piece of Gossip.

It was an attempt at humor based on the post that I quoted.
I did not mean to offend you.
If it was offensive to you, I apologize.

[Sam]

I don't know what your insinuateing, but I've never met Bro. Price, and I don't think my husband would approve of this little piece of Gossip.

I have deleted the post.
I did not mean to offend you.

[Glenda B]

I don't know what your insinuateing, but I've never met Bro. Price, and I don't think my husband would approve of this little piece of Gossip.

[Glenda B]

It was an attempt at humor based on the post that I quoted.
I did not mean to offend you.
If it was offensive to you, I apologize.

I accept your apology

[Sheltiedad]

I don't know what your insinuateing, but I've never met Bro. Price, and I don't think my husband would approve of this little piece of Gossip.

It was a joke... based on the fact that Deseret said you both basically "abandoned" her.

I did not know you were married, you are an anonymous screen name to me.

Sheeesh...

[Sam]

I accept your apology

Thank you.

[Brother Price]

I left the forum for a while, and may not be back on. I abandoned no one. But, whatever you surround yourself with, you eventually become. I have no desire to become a backslidden, rebellious, individual who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.

I am taking some good advice. I only am returning here because a wonderful friend of mine told me of this thread.

[Monkeyman]

If you were offended ma'am, then change your name to Hot Coffee Mrs.!!!! Sheesh!

[chaotic_resolve]

I left the forum for a while, and may not be back on. I abandoned no one. But, whatever you surround yourself with, you eventually become. I have no desire to become a backslidden, rebellious, individual who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.

I am taking some good advice. I only am returning here because a wonderful friend of mine told me of this thread.
You'll be back. You may be Gone With the Wind for now, but when it changes direction in a while, you'll be back. :lol

If you were offended ma'am, then change your name to Hot Coffee Mrs.!!!! Sheesh!
Exaactly!

[Glenda B]

If you were offended ma'am, then change your name to Hot Coffee Mrs.!!!! Sheesh!

I do not flip flop in what I believe, I still believe it takes the same thing today that it took when I came into the Pentecostal Church, and I have stated it many times. I just think Christian people should use a little tact, and not make remarks about someone's character that's unbecoming to a professed christian. And just because I have a username, does not mean I am not a real person, married and living for God.

Bro. Sam has proven himself a Gentleman.

[Malvaro]

*humming*

I just feel like something good is about to happen....
I just feel like something good is on the way....

*humming*

[COOPER]

Where are the two in question? I now have no one in my Amen corner. :)
You mean, that you have no one to corner into an Amen?

[COOPER]

Ace boon Coon?

[The Dean]

Billy Boy, let me help you here today. I feel confident that you deserve much more than you’re getting. In fact, you’ve earned it. People of your impeccable repugnance are often overlooked and I don’t want to be guilty of that anymore.

First let me assure you that I, personally, have given you the benefit of the doubt on many, many occasions. I was simply under the impression that you were a novice with great zeal and little wisdom. That is why I overlooked some of your offending statements in the past. Now I realize that you are a novice in most every sense of the word and your greatest problem is that it appears that you don’t intend to be anything beyond that.

Your repeated insults to an entire forum have proven that unfortunate fact time and again. Now, again, you venture the audacity to insult the entire forum by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Tell me, Billy Boy, how this entire forum deserves such a audacious indictment (dictionaries aren’t that expensive if you’re having trouble here) when there are precious people on this forum that have NEVER changed their doctrine, backslidden or remotely compromised in any way? Simply put, they don’t deserve it.

And since we’re on the subject of changing doctrines, don’t you realize that most of these good people who you accuse of being “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance” realize full well that YOU are the one who has changed doctrines time and again? That’s right, friend, your inconsistency has caught up to you. You simply have no credibility with those that know your history because you’ve had more ‘flip flops’ than pancakes on the griddle at Waffle House.

What was that again? Was it “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” No, I don’t think they deserve that. We have some that try to push the limits but you’re obnoxious attitude is just as rank as theirs. How so you might ask? Let me help you out here. I’m also on other forums and have seen you TRASH this forum time and again as being backslidden, blah, blah, blah. You claimed to thank God there was a place besides this den of devils to go, blah, blah, blah. But, amazingly, you’re here. Yep, right here smack in the middle of this 'den of devils'. You're here. Standing right here beside us “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” How do you spell 'Hypocrite'?

Billy Boy, help me here; you change your doctrine more than some people change underwear and yet want everyone on this forum to agree with you? How? And if they did you will most likely just change again next week when you want to fit in with a different group. No, friend, most of us here are too solid on our doctrine AND our holiness to be remotely considered “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Fortunately, we’re also too solid on our integrity to bounce from one belief to another. I’m not sure you can make that claim.

You were asked recently in a PM if you were the same Bill Price who was trashing us on other forums. I was sent the PM where you admitted it was you saying something to the effect that you were giving ‘a bunch of liberals a lesson’. Well, I’m not a liberal. Not even close. Many here are not. But you are accurate in one area: there is a lesson to be learned.

You have openly trashed us repeatedly on other forums.
You have openly called us a ‘den of devils’.
You have openly time and again changed your beliefs and, incredibly, are arrogant enough to rail on us for not believing like you.
You have now openly lied by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.”


Here’s the only lesson to be learned.
You’re being openly banned.
(You’ll have plenty of time to do your homework since it’s a permanent ban.)

[Rico]

Sister, don't let it get to you. It's not worth it, when you think about it. We know you would never do anything like that. Surely you have better taste than that! :D

[seguidordejesus]

Billy Boy, let me help you here today. I feel confident that you deserve much more than you’re getting. In fact, you’ve earned it. People of your impeccable repugnance are often overlooked and I don’t want to be guilty of that anymore.

First let me assure you that I, personally, have given you the benefit of the doubt on many, many occasions. I was simply under the impression that you were a novice with great zeal and little wisdom. That is why I overlooked some of your offending statements in the past. Now I realize that you are a novice in most every sense of the word and your greatest problem is that it appears that you don’t intend to be anything beyond that.

Your repeated insults to an entire forum have proven that unfortunate fact time and again. Now, again, you venture the audacity to insult the entire forum by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Tell me, Billy Boy, how this entire forum deserves such a audacious indictment (dictionaries aren’t that expensive if you’re having trouble here) when there are precious people on this forum that have NEVER changed their doctrine, backslidden or remotely compromised in any way? Simply put, they don’t deserve it.

And since we’re on the subject of changing doctrines, don’t you realize that most of these good people who you accuse of being “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance” realize full well that YOU are the one who has changed doctrines time and again? That’s right, friend, your inconsistency has caught up to you. You simply have no credibility with those that know your history because you’ve had more ‘flip flops’ than pancakes on the griddle at Waffle House.

What was that again? Was it “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” No, I don’t think they deserve that. We have some that try to push the limits but you’re obnoxious attitude is just as rank as theirs. How so you might ask? Let me help you out here. I’m also on other forums and have seen you TRASH this forum time and again as being backslidden, blah, blah, blah. You claimed to thank God there was a place besides this den of devils to go, blah, blah, blah. But, amazingly, you’re here. Yep, right here smack in the middle of this 'den of devils'. You're here. Standing right here beside us “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” How do you spell 'Hypocrite'?

Billy Boy, help me here; you change your doctrine more than some people change underwear and yet want everyone on this forum to agree with you? How? And if they did you will most likely just change again next week when you want to fit in with a different group. No, friend, most of us here are too solid on our doctrine AND our holiness to be remotely considered “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Fortunately, we’re also too solid on our integrity to bounce from one belief to another. I’m not sure you can make that claim.

You were asked recently in a PM if you were the same Bill Price who was trashing us on other forums. I was sent the PM where you admitted it was you saying something to the effect that you were giving ‘a bunch of liberals a lesson’. Well, I’m not a liberal. Not even close. Many here are not. But you are accurate in one area: there is a lesson to be learned.

You have openly trashed us repeatedly on other forums.
You have openly called us a ‘den of devils’.
You have openly time and again changed your beliefs and, incredibly, are arrogant enough to rail on us for not believing like you.
You have now openly lied by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.”


Here’s the only lesson to be learned.
You’re being openly banned.
(You’ll have plenty of time to do your homework since it’s a permanent ban.)

I don't think Waffle House sells pancakes :D:D

[Rico]

Billy Boy, let me help you here today. I feel confident that you deserve much more than you’re getting. In fact, you’ve earned it. People of your impeccable repugnance are often overlooked and I don’t want to be guilty of that anymore.

First let me assure you that I, personally, have given you the benefit of the doubt on many, many occasions. I was simply under the impression that you were a novice with great zeal and little wisdom. That is why I overlooked some of your offending statements in the past. Now I realize that you are a novice in most every sense of the word and your greatest problem is that it appears that you don’t intend to be anything beyond that.

Your repeated insults to an entire forum have proven that unfortunate fact time and again. Now, again, you venture the audacity to insult the entire forum by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Tell me, Billy Boy, how this entire forum deserves such a audacious indictment (dictionaries aren’t that expensive if you’re having trouble here) when there are precious people on this forum that have NEVER changed their doctrine, backslidden or remotely compromised in any way? Simply put, they don’t deserve it.

And since we’re on the subject of changing doctrines, don’t you realize that most of these good people who you accuse of being “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance” realize full well that YOU are the one who has changed doctrines time and again? That’s right, friend, your inconsistency has caught up to you. You simply have no credibility with those that know your history because you’ve had more ‘flip flops’ than pancakes on the griddle at Waffle House.

What was that again? Was it “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” No, I don’t think they deserve that. We have some that try to push the limits but you’re obnoxious attitude is just as rank as theirs. How so you might ask? Let me help you out here. I’m also on other forums and have seen you TRASH this forum time and again as being backslidden, blah, blah, blah. You claimed to thank God there was a place besides this den of devils to go, blah, blah, blah. But, amazingly, you’re here. Yep, right here smack in the middle of this 'den of devils'. You're here. Standing right here beside us “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” How do you spell 'Hypocrite'?

Billy Boy, help me here; you change your doctrine more than some people change underwear and yet want everyone on this forum to agree with you? How? And if they did you will most likely just change again next week when you want to fit in with a different group. No, friend, most of us here are too solid on our doctrine AND our holiness to be remotely considered “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.” Fortunately, we’re also too solid on our integrity to bounce from one belief to another. I’m not sure you can make that claim.

You were asked recently in a PM if you were the same Bill Price who was trashing us on other forums. I was sent the PM where you admitted it was you saying something to the effect that you were giving ‘a bunch of liberals a lesson’. Well, I’m not a liberal. Not even close. Many here are not. But you are accurate in one area: there is a lesson to be learned.

You have openly trashed us repeatedly on other forums.
You have openly called us a ‘den of devils’.
You have openly time and again changed your beliefs and, incredibly, are arrogant enough to rail on us for not believing like you.
You have now openly lied by calling an entire forum of good people “backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.”


Here’s the only lesson to be learned.
You’re being openly banned.
(You’ll have plenty of time to do your homework since it’s a permanent ban.)

Wow. Remind me never to get on your bad side, Dean. Thank you for standing up for the forum this way. I appreciate it. :)

[The Dean]

Wow. Remind me never to get on your bad side, Dean. Thank you for standing up for the forum this way. I appreciate it. :)

I suspect that Bill won't appreciate it as much as you do.



:sshhh

[The Dean]

I don't think Waffle House sells pancakes :D:D

:killinme

[Ronzo]

I don't think Waffle House sells pancakes :D:D
If they do, they taste horrible.

[Glenda B]

Sister, don't let it get to you. It's not worth it, when you think about it. We know you would never do anything like that. Surely you have better taste than that! :D

Thank's Rico,
I so do appreciate your words of encouragement, I was just a little surprised at some of the things posted in jest. "Oh" and I have altered my posts somewhat. I added some and took some because I didn't want to offend. I appreciate the spirit in which you post. ( most times anyway) :winkgrin
Blessings,
Miss Hot Coffee

[COOPER]

I left the forum for a while, and may not be back on. I abandoned no one. But, whatever you surround yourself with, you eventually become.
:igotit We almost had you Price!!!! Ratts!

I have no desire to become a backslidden, rebellious, individual who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.
Only a few more post and you would be like me!!!I am taking some good advice. I only am returning here because a wonderful friend of mine told me of this thread.

:sshhh It was your holy pastor that advised you at 2:am after you woke him up.

[The Dean]

This thread has become amazingly quiet.


Perhaps the lack of 'Defenders of Bill' tells us that most agree.





:sshhh

[Ronzo]

This thread has become amazingly quiet.


Perhaps the lack of 'Defenders of Bill' tells us that most agree.





:sshhh

While I'm well aware of Bill's back and forth movements, and I have personally been barbed by him a few times... I don't think there was a real need for you or anyone else to go off on the guy like that.


But... You're an admin and an owner so you can do whatever it is that you wish, I guess.

[The Dean]

You obviously haven't seen or dealt with all the things said or done by our now absent friend.

You are right on one issue, though. I am an Admin. I guess hard decisions like these are why they pay me the big bucks!







Wait a minute. I don't remember getting paid yet!

:nah

[Rico]

While I'm well aware of Bill's back and forth movements, and I have personally been barbed by him a few times... I don't think there was a real need for you or anyone else to go off on the guy like that.


But... You're an admin and an owner so you can do whatever it is that you wish, I guess.


Brother, BP had been asking for it for quite awhile. This thread wasn't the first time he made "you're all backslid" type of comments.

[Ronzo]

You obviously haven't seen or dealt with all the things said or done by our now absent friend.
Uh... I'm fully aware of how 'off the wall' he can get, and saw plenty of what he's said here and other places.


Still don't think it justifies you jumping all over him like that.



Not my forum. Not my rules.

Do whatever you feel is right.


You asked for an opinion. I gave you one.

[Ronzo]

Brother, BP had been asking for it for quite awhile. This thread wasn't the first time he made "you're all backslid" type of comments.
Well aware of that Rico... anyway... I'll drop it.

[Polaris]

I think this is pathetic. You have some people on here champing at the bit to discredit and trounce on everything we as Apostolics stand for. Some defend trinitarians as "men of God", brazenly post pictures of themselves posing with or showing themselves to be "non-standards Apostolics" (practically defying us to say anything about it), and defending trinitarian charismatics as thought they were churches of God. Some actively promote the notion that people DO NOT have to be baptized in Jesus' name or receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, right here on an Apostolic forum. Many believe in NO standards of holiness WHATsoever, and practically throw it up in your face and dare you to challenge it...and you're offended by BILL PRICE?

When people defend the tranditional Apostolic position on any of these or other things, they are routinely ridiculed, made fun of, told their posts are "sad", and even have people implying that they need God's forgiveness. You know exactly what I'm talking about. For an Apostolic Pentecostal forum, I'm amazed at the way everything taught in traditional Apostolic churches get trashed on here, but BILL PRICE'S OPINIONS OFFEND you?

WHO WAS OFFENDED by people making FUN of him, calling him "Billy Boy" and practically taking wagers on how long he'd be gone? Do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful that was? Who was offended that someone who, praise God, MADE IT BACK to JESUS after Satan had nearly DESTROYED him was being held up for public belittlement? Would you have felt better and more justified if he had remained lost in sin? So he's had some challenges in his beliefs---he made it back to the right path, didn't he? Disappointed? I suppose some of you have never had a faith crisis, huh?

Did it ever occur to any of the better-idea-"progressive" Apostolics on here to be concerned for Bro. Price? Your hard-heartedness amazes me. Scratch that...it doesn't amaze me...it simply FLOORS me...I'm flabberghasted to see such crass disregard for a brother in the house of God.

For the record, everybody on here is not like the people I described above, so I'm not talking about everybody on this list. But some are, and they flaunt it at every turn. But even when people like that take potshots and trash-talk a previously wounded saint for whom Christ died, one who made it home, by the way, we're all supposed to tolerate it and take it with equanimity. Sad. Well, for the record, I was offended.

[The Dean]

Polaris, let me help you out here. I'm an Admin and have no problem telling you that I think things get a little carried away here in some instances. In fact, some things border on being non-Apostolic and in those areas I agree with some of your post.

Even more interesting, I agree with most of what Bill Price believes (at least what he seems to presently believe). I think it takes the whole 'package' to be saved including the New Birth message and holiness. Some here don't and I disagree with them vehemently.

However, the Brother for which you mourn has made these disparaging statements time and again. Wherever he is and whatever he believes – at whatever spiritual state he is in at the time – the forum always ends up being handed a heavy dose of;
“I’m here to give the liberals a lesson”
“You’re all a part of this den of devils”
“Backslidden, rebellious, individuals who hates standards enough to denounce them at every chance.”

Polaris, trust me when I tell you that his message was not the problem. It was the abuse heaped on an entire forum time and again. Abuse this entire forum didn’t deserve. Abuse that good, seemingly solid, truth loving people like you didn’t deserve.

Do we have those that go too far? Yes, a few indeed. And already the limit of their anti-Apostolic agendas are in sight. However, I can name scores of sincere hearted people here that love God, love his ways and love his mandates. They don’t deserve that kind of treatment.

It seems that you’re his friend and we’re perfectly fine with that. I have no personal vendetta against him, honestly, but we Admins have a responsibility to the rest who come to this forum. If you want to fellowship him you’ll probably find him where I often run into him; on other forums tearing this forum and it’s leadership apart. Visit those forums with him and know that it won’t affect your standing on our forum at all. I give you my word on that. However, he won’t be back here because it’s not right to the rest of this forum to subject them to his antics anymore.

If you have any further questions about his banning please do it via PM and I'll address it further.

[Forgiven]

...I'm flabberghasted to see such crass disregard for a brother in the house of God.


Um... Can someone tell me when AFF became the house of God? The last time I looked, it was an INTERNET FORUM!

[Sam]

This thread has become amazingly quiet.


Perhaps the lack of 'Defenders of Bill' tells us that most agree.





:sshhh

I'm not a defender of Bro. Price.
I am about as liberal as they come and he has had some strong words for me but I think a permanent ban is a little harsh.
I don't question the administrators. You have to do what you think is best for the forum.
Bill has been on and off and he has flip-flopped and I've told him that publicly.
But still, a permanent ban seems a little strong.

[Sam]

I think this is pathetic. You have some people on here champing at the bit to discredit and trounce on everything we as Apostolics stand for. Some defend trinitarians as "men of God", brazenly post pictures of themselves posing with or showing themselves to be "non-standards Apostolics" (practically defying us to say anything about it), and defending trinitarian charismatics as thought they were churches of God. Some actively promote the notion that people DO NOT have to be baptized in Jesus' name or receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, right here on an Apostolic forum. Many believe in NO standards of holiness WHATsoever, and practically throw it up in your face and dare you to challenge it...and you're offended by BILL PRICE?
...


The name of this forum is "Apostolic Friends Forum."

Not all Apostolic Oneness Pentecostals believe that water baptism and Spirit baptism are necessary for salvation. When the UPC was formed in 1945 two different Apostolic Pentecostal organizations merged. Many of the ministers in the PCI believed that salvation/regeneration took place prior to water baptism and Spirit baptism. Many of the ministers in the PAJC believed that salvation/regeneration did not take place until water baptism and Spirit baptism. The two groups agreed to merge and had a "fundamental doctrine statement" that said they would endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit and agree to disagree on the salvation/new birth issue but would not contend for individual views. The first issue of the Pentecostal Herald stated that articles presenting either of the two views were acceptable for publication providing they were not written in a contentious way. The first Gen. Supt., the first Foreign Missions Director, the first Sunday School director, and some of the district supts. believed that salvation took place prior to water baptism and Spirit baptism. I'm not arguing for that viewpoint, I'm just pointing out that what we call the one-step plan of salvation has always been a valid viewpoint or teaching among Apostolic or Oneness Pentecostals.

As far as "standards" of holiness, there has always been wide divergence among Pentecostal people on those. You can find short sleeves on men and women, short hair on women, facial hair on men, jewelry, etc. in pictures from way back early in Pentecostal days until now. Radio, newspapers, novels and fictional literature, comic books, tv, internet, etc. are just acceptable to some and not to others. I just don't see where any of those things will ever be "standard" among us. Each of us is more conservative than others and at the same time more liberal than others.

[Polaris]

Um... Can someone tell me when AFF became the house of God? The last time I looked, it was an INTERNET FORUM!

I should have said the "household" of God...please excuse the poor choice of words. I don't mean to imply the AFF is a church, but it's supposed to be composed of those IN the church, or of the household of the faith.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I should have said the "household" of God...please excuse the poor choice of words. I don't mean to imply the AFF is a church, but it's supposed to be composed of those IN the church, or of the household of the faith.

Polaris, if you had been through FCF, NFCF and now this, you would not be so up in arms.

:drama

[SDG]

I love BP ... he is an excellent foil ...

[Glenda B]

I think this is pathetic. You have some people on here champing at the bit to discredit and trounce on everything we as Apostolics stand for. Some defend trinitarians as "men of God", brazenly post pictures of themselves posing with or showing themselves to be "non-standards Apostolics" (practically defying us to say anything about it), and defending trinitarian charismatics as thought they were churches of God. Some actively promote the notion that people DO NOT have to be baptized in Jesus' name or receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, right here on an Apostolic forum. Many believe in NO standards of holiness WHATsoever, and practically throw it up in your face and dare you to challenge it...and you're offended by BILL PRICE?

When people defend the tranditional Apostolic position on any of these or other things, they are routinely ridiculed, made fun of, told their posts are "sad", and even have people implying that they need God's forgiveness. You know exactly what I'm talking about. For an Apostolic Pentecostal forum, I'm amazed at the way everything taught in traditional Apostolic churches get trashed on here, but BILL PRICE'S OPINIONS OFFEND you?
WHO WAS OFFENDED by people making FUN of him, calling him "Billy Boy" and practically taking wagers on how long he'd be gone? Do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful that was? Who was offended that someone who, praise God, MADE IT BACK to JESUS after Satan had nearly DESTROYED him was being held up for public belittlement? Would you have felt better and more justified if he had remained lost in sin? So he's had some challenges in his beliefs---he made it back to the right path, didn't he? Disappointed? I suppose some of you have never had a faith crisis, huh?

Did it ever occur to any of the better-idea-"progressive" Apostolics on here to be concerned for Bro. Price? Your hard-heartedness amazes me. Scratch that...it doesn't amaze me...it simply FLOORS me...I'm flabberghasted to see such crass disregard for a brother in the house of God.

For the record, everybody on here is not like the people I described above, so I'm not talking about everybody on this list. But some are, and they flaunt it at every turn. But even when people like that take potshots and trash-talk a previously wounded saint for whom Christ died, one who made it home, by the way, we're all supposed to tolerate it and take it with equanimity. Sad. Well, for the record, I was offended.

I agree with everything Bro. Polaris has stated on this thread. If I had been Bro. Price, I would probably gone somewhere and hidden under a rock, but though he has been called names and ridiculed and berated, he has held firm to what he believes in. If he in fact does have a problem with instibility in his beliefs, I think it's our place to pick him up, brush him off, and doctor his wounds rather than continue to kick him over and over. I've even seen those who ask people to not make unkind remarks about people, like Tammy Faye Bakker, for example who is not even one of our own. Where is the kindness that should be shown to one of our own, Brother Price? I see so many times when someone makes a remark about someone who has left the UPC and the church that you've got to show them the Love, and even posted a song about Love. Don't criticize them, but love them instead. Now where is the love in our responses posted to and about Brother William Price, our Brother in Christ? One of our own!!

[The Dean]

I think this is pathetic.








I agree with everything Bro. Polaris has stated on this thread. If I had been Bro. Price, I would probably gone somewhere and hidden under a rock, but though he has been called names and ridiculed and berated, he has held firm to what he believes in. If he in fact does have a problem with instibility in his beliefs, I think it's our place to pick him up, brush him off, and doctor his wounds rather than continue to kick him over and over. I've even seen those who ask people to not make unkind remarks about people, like Tammy Faye Bakker, for example who is not even one of our own. Where is the kindness that should be shown to one of our own, Brother Price? I see so many times when someone makes a remark about someone who has left the UPC and the church that you've got to show them the Love, and even posted a song about Love. Don't criticize them, but love them instead. Now where is the love in our responses posted to and about Brother William Price, our Brother in Christ? One of our own!!

What is done is done. If you have problems with his being banned take it to PM.

[Ferd]

Proverbs 3:13 (KJV)
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I think this is pathetic.
I agree with everything Bro. Polaris has stated on this thread. If I had been Bro. Price, I would probably gone somewhere and hidden under a rock, but though he has been called names and ridiculed and berated, he has held firm to what he believes in. If he in fact does have a problem with instibility in his beliefs, I think it's our place to pick him up, brush him off, and doctor his wounds rather than continue to kick him over and over. I've even seen those who ask people to not make unkind remarks about people, like Tammy Faye Bakker, for example who is not even one of our own. Where is the kindness that should be shown to one of our own, Brother Price? I see so many times when someone makes a remark about someone who has left the UPC and the church that you've got to show them the Love, and even posted a song about Love. Don't criticize them, but love them instead. Now where is the love in our responses posted to and about Brother William Price, our Brother in Christ? One of our own!!

Start a forum and invite Brother Price to post on it. Hey, this is the Internet millions of miles of web space and no waiting. :winkgrin

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[ManOfWord]

I think this is pathetic. You have some people on here champing at the bit to discredit and trounce on everything we as Apostolics stand for. Some defend trinitarians as "men of God", brazenly post pictures of themselves posing with or showing themselves to be "non-standards Apostolics" (practically defying us to say anything about it), and defending trinitarian charismatics as thought they were churches of God. Some actively promote the notion that people DO NOT have to be baptized in Jesus' name or receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, right here on an Apostolic forum. Many believe in NO standards of holiness WHATsoever, and practically throw it up in your face and dare you to challenge it...and you're offended by BILL PRICE?

When people defend the tranditional Apostolic position on any of these or other things, they are routinely ridiculed, made fun of, told their posts are "sad", and even have people implying that they need God's forgiveness. You know exactly what I'm talking about. For an Apostolic Pentecostal forum, I'm amazed at the way everything taught in traditional Apostolic churches get trashed on here, but BILL PRICE'S OPINIONS OFFEND you?

WHO WAS OFFENDED by people making FUN of him, calling him "Billy Boy" and practically taking wagers on how long he'd be gone? Do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful that was? Who was offended that someone who, praise God, MADE IT BACK to JESUS after Satan had nearly DESTROYED him was being held up for public belittlement? Would you have felt better and more justified if he had remained lost in sin? So he's had some challenges in his beliefs---he made it back to the right path, didn't he? Disappointed? I suppose some of you have never had a faith crisis, huh?

Did it ever occur to any of the better-idea-"progressive" Apostolics on here to be concerned for Bro. Price? Your hard-heartedness amazes me. Scratch that...it doesn't amaze me...it simply FLOORS me...I'm flabberghasted to see such crass disregard for a brother in the house of God.

For the record, everybody on here is not like the people I described above, so I'm not talking about everybody on this list. But some are, and they flaunt it at every turn. But even when people like that take potshots and trash-talk a previously wounded saint for whom Christ died, one who made it home, by the way, we're all supposed to tolerate it and take it with equanimity. Sad. Well, for the record, I was offended.

I think this is pathetic.








I agree with everything Bro. Polaris has stated on this thread. If I had been Bro. Price, I would probably gone somewhere and hidden under a rock, but though he has been called names and ridiculed and berated, he has held firm to what he believes in. If he in fact does have a problem with instibility in his beliefs, I think it's our place to pick him up, brush him off, and doctor his wounds rather than continue to kick him over and over. I've even seen those who ask people to not make unkind remarks about people, like Tammy Faye Bakker, for example who is not even one of our own. Where is the kindness that should be shown to one of our own, Brother Price? I see so many times when someone makes a remark about someone who has left the UPC and the church that you've got to show them the Love, and even posted a song about Love. Don't criticize them, but love them instead. Now where is the love in our responses posted to and about Brother William Price, our Brother in Christ? One of our own!!

To both of you:

BP has every right to believe whatever he wants to believe, flip flop as often as he chooses and post about his flip flops here with freedom. However, he does not have the freedom, as he is oft want to do, to criticize to the point of being judge and jury to those who disagree with him. I can fully respect someone who disagrees with me as long they don't get "holier than thou" on me, as if they had perfect doctrine, life etc.

Billy has done this time and again and it is not right. He doesn't act in love, won't respond in love and won't take suggestions or criticism out of love in love either. It's his way or the highway! These are the things he got the "boot" for, not for what he believes.

The only things worse than wrong doctrine IMO and I think the Lord's as well in mistreatment in the name of right doctrine. That is what wars have been started over and people murdered over etc, etc.

If Billy wants treated differently, then he needs to act differently. Apparently, he has been corrected on his doctrine numerous times...it is time for his attitude and spirit to receive the same adjustment. I pray for his deliverance. I used to be far more judgemental than he is, so fully understand the struggle. Still, there is hope!

[Ferd]

Proverbs 4:7 (KJV)
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

[tv1a]

The permanent ban is not extreme becaue bp feels his salvation is at stake. He feels like he'll burn in hell if he hangs around. So what admin did was help the poor boy with his problem of self-control. Admin banned him so bp wouldn't go to hell for lying.

[Ferd]

Ecclesiastes 7:23 (KJV)
23 All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me.

[Ferd]

Proverbs 1:1-9 (KJV)
1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck. Proverbs 1:1-9 (KJV)
1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

[Sam]

I have a question about banning.
When a person is banned, can he/she still access the site and read but just not post? Or are they denied access so they cannot even read posts?

[tv1a]

Tammy Faye rocks (God bless her soul)

When coonskinner or epley comes to the defense bp, than I may take the persecution complex a little more serious. Somehow those two don't seem to think this site would send them to hell. Epley believes a lot of things would send a person to hell. This forum isn't one of those. Why bp feels like everyone on this forum is hell bound is perplexing.

If the problem were bp's views, than all the cons on the forum would experieince the same fate. As far as I know, no one has made you feel knee high to a grasshopper becaue you hold a different opinion. Maybe it was the lack of substance that bothered people.

To use an analogy, bp is like a pie with no pie filling. He has enough hot air to keep a blimp in the air for a while. Full of rhetoric.


I think this is pathetic.

I agree with everything Bro. Polaris has stated on this thread. If I had been Bro. Price, I would probably gone somewhere and hidden under a rock, but though he has been called names and ridiculed and berated, he has held firm to what he believes in. If he in fact does have a problem with instibility in his beliefs, I think it's our place to pick him up, brush him off, and doctor his wounds rather than continue to kick him over and over. I've even seen those who ask people to not make unkind remarks about people, like Tammy Faye Bakker, for example who is not even one of our own. Where is the kindness that should be shown to one of our own, Brother Price? I see so many times when someone makes a remark about someone who has left the UPC and the church that you've got to show them the Love, and even posted a song about Love. Don't criticize them, but love them instead. Now where is the love in our responses posted to and about Brother William Price, our Brother in Christ? One of our own!!

[Ronzo]

I have a question about banning.
When a person is banned, can he/she still access the site and read but just not post? Or are they denied access so they cannot even read posts?
Depending on how the admins set up permissions (or lack thereof) for banned users, they usually have no access to the site other than a message that basically says "You're banned" and it sometimes says "and here's why...".

They usually can't see anything other than that.

[SDG]

Depending on how the admins set up permissions (or lack thereof) for banned users, they usually have no access to the site other than a message that basically says "You're banned" and it sometimes says "and here's why...".

They usually can't see anything other than that.

They can read without logging in, however ... as a guest. One would have to clear their cookies however.

[Ronzo]

They can read without logging in, however ... as a guest. One would have to clear their cookies however....Unless their IP address is banned.

[SDG]

...Unless their IP address is banned.

Which can be circumvented in various ways ...

[Ronzo]

Which can be circumvented in various ways ...
None of which I believe the main subject of conversation really has the understanding of how to accompllish...

[SDG]

None of which I believe the main subject of conversation really has the understanding of how to accompllish...

Really.

[Rico]

Depending on how the admins set up permissions (or lack thereof) for banned users, they usually have no access to the site other than a message that basically says "You're banned" and it sometimes says "and here's why...".

They usually can't see anything other than that.

Not necessarily the case, my friend, depending on how someone's IP address is configured and how often they clean things up on their computer.

[Ronzo]

Not necessarily the case, my friend, depending on how someone's IP address is configured and how often they clean things up on their computer.
Ok, Rico.

[Rico]

Ok, Rico.

I am sure you know of different ways to get around things yourself, so you know what I am talking about.

[tv1a]

Since bp is banned, who will use the word hogwash in nearly every post?

[Felicity]

BP never bothered me. Took him with a grain of salt and as being one of the more feeble minded weaker brothers is all. The Bible tells those of us who are more mature and stronger in faith to help those who are less so.

He was never a big deal to me as far as being a prob goes. Never took anything he said very serious. :) *shrug*

[RandyWayne]

And who is bp? I keep thinking of our local gas stations when I hear that.....

[Sam]

And who is bp? I keep thinking of our local gas stations when I hear that.....

bp = Bro. Price or Bill Price

[Ronzo]

I got a pm from him on another forum thanking me for defending him.

I was NOT defending him.

His actions and his words were just as wrong as anyone else's here. I told him that in my pm reply


I just don't think he needed to be jumped all over by anyone... whatever... just one man's opinion.

[JOYoftheLord]

I think this is pathetic. You have some people on here champing at the bit to discredit and trounce on everything we as Apostolics stand for. Some defend trinitarians as "men of God", brazenly post pictures of themselves posing with or showing themselves to be "non-standards Apostolics" (practically defying us to say anything about it), and defending trinitarian charismatics as thought they were churches of God. Some actively promote the notion that people DO NOT have to be baptized in Jesus' name or receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, right here on an Apostolic forum. Many believe in NO standards of holiness WHATsoever, and practically throw it up in your face and dare you to challenge it...and you're offended by BILL PRICE?

When people defend the tranditional Apostolic position on any of these or other things, they are routinely ridiculed, made fun of, told their posts are "sad", and even have people implying that they need God's forgiveness. You know exactly what I'm talking about. For an Apostolic Pentecostal forum, I'm amazed at the way everything taught in traditional Apostolic churches get trashed on here, but BILL PRICE'S OPINIONS OFFEND you?

WHO WAS OFFENDED by people making FUN of him, calling him "Billy Boy" and practically taking wagers on how long he'd be gone? Do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful that was? Who was offended that someone who, praise God, MADE IT BACK to JESUS after Satan had nearly DESTROYED him was being held up for public belittlement? Would you have felt better and more justified if he had remained lost in sin? So he's had some challenges in his beliefs---he made it back to the right path, didn't he? Disappointed? I suppose some of you have never had a faith crisis, huh?

Did it ever occur to any of the better-idea-"progressive" Apostolics on here to be concerned for Bro. Price? Your hard-heartedness amazes me. Scratch that...it doesn't amaze me...it simply FLOORS me...I'm flabberghasted to see such crass disregard for a brother in the house of God.

For the record, everybody on here is not like the people I described above, so I'm not talking about everybody on this list. But some are, and they flaunt it at every turn. But even when people like that take potshots and trash-talk a previously wounded saint for whom Christ died, one who made it home, by the way, we're all supposed to tolerate it and take it with equanimity. Sad. Well, for the record, I was offended.


Well said Brother Polaris. :)

Mr Price can try to defend his beliefs, on a open discussion forum and get canned permanently (so what if they cut or insult others, are insults anything new around here?)....while "preferred" others bash Truth and can continue on in their insults freely as they like. What a double hypocritical standard.

I'm thankful God is no respecter of persons.

[JOYoftheLord]

I have a question about banning.
When a person is banned, can he/she still access the site and read but just not post? Or are they denied access so they cannot even read posts?

I'm sure they can still access if they want to?.....or just

REINCARNATE!!!! :slaphappy

[JOYoftheLord]

I do not flip flop in what I believe, I still believe it takes the same thing today that it took when I came into the Pentecostal Church, and I have stated it many times. I just think Christian people should use a little tact, and not make remarks about someone's character that's unbecoming to a professed christian. And just because I have a username, does not mean I am not a real person, married and living for God.

Bro. Sam has proven himself a Gentleman.

Amen Sister! .....and yes!!! there ARE some true Gentlemen and Ladies left in the world!!! :):):)