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Esther
02-24-2007, 01:05 PM
A friend of mine said the Lord gave him this example of the difference between Mercy and Grace.

Two young girls get caught in fornication. One gets pregnant and the other doesn't.

Which one received Mercy and which received Grace?










His answer: The one that did not get pregnant received Mercy, the one that did received Grace to go through the pregnacy.

What do you think?

RevDWW
02-24-2007, 01:09 PM
Grace is when we get a reward/benefit we don't deserve
Mercy is when we don't get the punishment we do deserve

Esther
02-24-2007, 01:11 PM
Grace is when we get a reward/benefit we don't deserve
Mercy is when we don't get the punishment we do deserve

If grace is a reward, then why did He said His grace is sufficent? I know it is a help but wouldn't the reward be NOT to have to go through the trial?

RevDWW
02-24-2007, 01:15 PM
If grace is a reward, then why did He said His grace is sufficent? I know it is a help but wouldn't the reward be NOT to have to go through the trial?

Isn't there a scriptur that says "Forget not all His benefits"? Grace is His benefits/favor bestowed on us even though we don't deserve it.

And yes the benefits He bestows are sufficent!!!! Even if He chooses not to give us what we ask for.

RevDWW
02-24-2007, 01:20 PM
Old Testament
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
This grace is:
H2580
חֵן
chên
BDB Definition:
1) favour, grace, charm
1a) favour, grace, elegance
1b) favour, acceptance

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H2603

Same Word by TWOT Number: 694a

Total KJV Occurrences: 69

grace, 38
Gen 6:8, Gen 19:19, Gen 32:5, Gen 33:8, Gen 33:10, Gen 33:15, Gen 34:11, Gen 39:4, Gen 47:25, Gen 47:29, Gen 50:4, Ex 33:12-13 (3), Ex 33:16-17 (2), Ex 34:9, Num 32:5, Judg 6:17, Ruth 2:2, Ruth 2:10, 1 Sam 1:18, 1 Sam 20:3, 1 Sam 27:5, 2 Sam 14:22, 2 Sam 16:4, Est 2:17, Ps 45:2, Ps 84:11, Prov 1:9, Prov 3:22, Prov 3:34, Prov 4:9, Prov 22:11, Jer 31:2, Zech 4:7 (2), Zech 12:10

favour, 26
Gen 18:3, Gen 30:27, Ex 3:21 (2), Ex 11:3, Ex 12:36, Num 11:11, Num 11:15, Deut 24:1, Ruth 2:13, 1 Sam 16:22, 1 Sam 20:29, 1 Sam 25:8, 2 Sam 15:25, 1 Kin 11:19, Est 2:15, Est 5:2, Est 5:8, Est 7:3, Est 8:5, Prov 3:4, Prov 13:15, Prov 22:1, Prov 28:23, Prov 31:30, Eccl 9:11

gracious, 2
Prov 11:16, Eccl 10:12

pleasant, 1
Prov 5:19

precious, 1
Prov 17:8

wellfavoured, 1
Nah 3:4

Esther
02-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Isn't there a scriptur that says "Forget not all His benefits"? Grace is His benefits/favor bestowed on us even though we don't deserve it.

And yes the benefits He bestows are sufficent!!!! Even if He chooses not to give us what we ask for.

I've never really thought of grace or mercy as being benefits, but I can see where they would be. :)

I am grateful for whatever He gives me.

We never can be worthy but He over looks our faults and lovingly blesses us anyway.

He is such a good God.

Esther
02-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Old Testament
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Grace to go through the flood?

RevDWW
02-24-2007, 01:24 PM
New Testament
Luke 2:40 (KJV) 40 And the child [this is speaking of Jesus] grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.


G5485

χάρις

charis

Thayer Definition:

1) grace
1a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
2) good will, loving-kindness, favour
2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
3) what is due to grace
3a) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
3b) the token or proof of grace, benefit
3b1) a gift of grace
3b2) benefit, bounty
4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward

Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5463
Citing in TDNT: 9:372, 1298
Total KJV Occurrences: 156

grace, 130

Luke 2:40, John 1:14, John 1:16-17 (3), Acts 4:33, Acts 11:23, Acts 13:43, Acts 14:3, Acts 14:26, Acts 15:11, Acts 15:40, Acts 18:27, Acts 20:24, Acts 20:32, Rom 1:5, Rom 1:7, Rom 3:24, Rom 4:4, Rom 4:16, Rom 5:2, Rom 5:15 (2), Rom 5:17, Rom 5:20-21 (2), Rom 6:1, Rom 6:14-15 (2), Rom 11:5-6 (5), Rom 12:3, Rom 12:6, Rom 15:15, Rom 16:20, Rom 16:24, 1 Cor 1:3-4 (2), 1 Cor 3:10, 1 Cor 10:30, 1 Cor 15:10 (3), 1 Cor 16:23, 2 Cor 1:2, 2 Cor 1:12, 2 Cor 4:15, 2 Cor 8:1 (2), 2 Cor 8:6-7 (2), 2 Cor 8:9, 2 Cor 8:19, 2 Cor 9:8, 2 Cor 9:14, 2 Cor 12:9, 2 Cor 13:14, Gal 1:3, Gal 1:6, Gal 1:15, Gal 2:9, Gal 2:21, Gal 5:4, Gal 6:18, Eph 1:2, Eph 1:6-7 (2), Eph 2:5, Eph 2:7-8 (2), Eph 3:2, Eph 3:7-8 (2), Eph 4:7, Eph 4:29, Eph 6:24, Phil 1:2, Phil 1:7, Phil 4:23, Col 1:2, Col 1:6, Col 3:16, Col 4:6, Col 4:18, 1 Thess 1:1, 1 Thess 5:28, 2 Thess 1:2, 2 Thess 1:12, 2 Thess 2:16, 2 Thess 3:18, 1 Tim 1:2, 1 Tim 1:14, 1 Tim 6:21, 2 Tim 1:2, 2 Tim 1:9, 2 Tim 2:1, 2 Tim 4:22, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:11, Titus 3:7, Titus 3:15, Philem 1:3, Philem 1:25, Heb 2:9, Heb 4:16 (2), Heb 10:29, Heb 12:15, Heb 12:28, Heb 13:9, Heb 13:25, James 4:6 (2), 1 Pet 1:2, 1 Pet 1:10, 1 Pet 1:13, 1 Pet 3:7, 1 Pet 4:10, 1 Pet 5:5, 1 Pet 5:10, 1 Pet 5:12, 2 Pet 1:2, 2 Pet 3:18, 2 John 1:3, Rev 1:4 (2), Rev 22:21

favour, 6

Luke 1:30, Luke 2:52, Acts 2:47, Acts 7:10, Acts 7:46, Acts 25:3

thank, 6

Luke 6:32-34 (3), Luke 17:9, 1 Tim 1:12, 2 Tim 1:3

thanks, 4

1 Cor 15:57, 2 Cor 2:14, 2 Cor 8:16, 2 Cor 9:15

pleasure, 2

Acts 24:27, Acts 25:9

acceptable, 1

1 Pet 2:20

benefit, 1

2 Cor 1:15

gift, 1

2 Cor 8:4

gracious, 1

Luke 4:22

joy, 1

Philem 1:7

liberality, 1

1 Cor 16:3

thanked, 1

Rom 6:17

thankworthy, 1

1 Pet 2:19

RevDWW
02-24-2007, 01:30 PM
Grace to go through the flood?
That and not being destroyed with the rest of mankind. God showed favor to Noah and gave him a means of salvation. Noah had to obey God and build the ark to be saved. God's grace in the New Testament gives a means of salvation to escape the wrath of God, but we must obey God's instuctions. Believeing is not enough, we have to act on our belief. See Hebrews chapter 11 and 12.

stmatthew
02-24-2007, 01:30 PM
Grace to go through the flood?

Grace was that he was spared from the destruction of the world that was imminent.

Esther
02-24-2007, 01:46 PM
Grace was that he was spared from the destruction of the world that was imminent.

Would that be grace or mercy?

stmatthew
02-24-2007, 01:56 PM
Would that be grace or mercy?

Grace was the fact that God would even consider him, and Mercy was the end result of that consideration, his being saved from the destruction of the world.

Esther
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Grace was the fact that God would even consider him, and Mercy was the end result of that consideration, his being saved from the destruction of the world.

So how would you explain the difference between Mercy and Grace?

stmatthew
02-24-2007, 02:15 PM
Mercy is a result of Grace being bestowed.

hammondb3klingon1
02-24-2007, 04:01 PM
Mercy as used in the bible is a decorator for a place whereas Grace is a thing. "the throne of mercy", "the mercy seat", etc... "By grace are you saved ..." In the "place" of mercy one obtains grace("Favour without merit"). Mercy is Christ dying in for sins, Grace is Him extending that to "whosoever will". Mercy is the sacrificial substitution, Grace is the spiritual resurrection(ie arise in the newness of life)
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Trouvere
02-25-2007, 03:39 PM
Mercy is chessed and means loving kindness/forgivenes/undeserved.
Grace is more under the thought salvation.

Sherri
02-25-2007, 08:28 PM
I always have heard that Grace is giving us what we do not deserve. Mercy is NOT giving us what we DO deserve.

Trouvere
02-25-2007, 09:31 PM
I always have heard that Grace is giving us what we do not deserve. Mercy is NOT giving us what we DO deserve.

I like that Sister Sherri

commonsense
02-25-2007, 10:29 PM
I agree, good definition!

Esther
02-26-2007, 07:49 AM
I always have heard that Grace is giving us what we do not deserve. Mercy is NOT giving us what we DO deserve.

That sounds good too :)

philjones
02-26-2007, 08:14 AM
I have always said that the pathway of mercy paves the way to sufficient grace that allows us to embrace the fullness of HIM, the Truth!

Malvaro
02-26-2007, 08:36 AM
I always have heard that Grace is giving us what we do not deserve. Mercy is NOT giving us what we DO deserve.

yep, I've heard it put this way too.... I was going to post this if someone didn't beat me to it....

Chan
02-26-2007, 08:51 AM
A friend of mine said the Lord gave him this example of the difference between Mercy and Grace.

Two young girls get caught in fornication. One gets pregnant and the other doesn't.

Which one received Mercy and which received Grace?










His answer: The one that did not get pregnant received Mercy, the one that did received Grace to go through the pregnacy.

What do you think?Not! It is not by grace that the one girl got pregnant, it was by sin that she got pregnant and pregnancy is a consequence of her sin. As for the one who didn't get pregnant, it is neither grace nor mercy because God was not a participant in her sin.

Grace is God giving us what we (in a good sense) don't deserve, i.e. God condescending toward us to act on our behalf even though we don't deserve it.

Mercy is God not giving us what we (in a bad sense) deserve, i.e. God refrains, at least for the Christian, from punishing us for our sins.

Esther
02-26-2007, 09:11 AM
Not! It is not by grace that the one girl got pregnant, it was by sin that she got pregnant and pregnancy is a consequence of her sin. As for the one who didn't get pregnant, it is neither grace nor mercy because God was not a participant in her sin.

Grace is God giving us what we (in a good sense) don't deserve, i.e. God condescending toward us to act on our behalf even though we don't deserve it.

Mercy is God not giving us what we (in a bad sense) deserve, i.e. God refrains, at least for the Christian, from punishing us for our sins.

Well I figured you knew that God was not in the sin.

Chan
02-26-2007, 10:10 AM
Well I figured you knew that God was not in the sin.I would have thought you would have known better than to cite an example that suggests He was in the sin. :)

Esther
02-26-2007, 10:18 AM
I would have thought you would have known better than to cite an example that suggests He was in the sin. :)

As usual you take things out of context. :drawguns

Chan
02-26-2007, 10:28 AM
As usual you take things out of context. :drawgunsThe context was: "A friend of mine said the Lord gave him this example of the difference between Mercy and Grace." Here was the example:

"Two young girls get caught in fornication. One gets pregnant and the other doesn't.

Which one received Mercy and which received Grace?

His answer: The one that did not get pregnant received Mercy, the one that did received Grace to go through the pregnacy."

Esther
02-26-2007, 02:46 PM
The context was: "A friend of mine said the Lord gave him this example of the difference between Mercy and Grace." Here was the example:

"Two young girls get caught in fornication. One gets pregnant and the other doesn't.

Which one received Mercy and which received Grace?

His answer: The one that did not get pregnant received Mercy, the one that did received Grace to go through the pregnacy."

And your point is?

God did not cause their sin. How can you try and make it as though He did?

Chan
02-26-2007, 03:11 PM
And your point is?

God did not cause their sin. How can you try and make it as though He did?It's the example you provided that makes it seem as though He had a hand in their sin.

chosenbyone
02-26-2007, 07:11 PM
Grace was given to us by the cross of Jesus and the heavy price He paid for our salvation.

Mercy was the great declaration of God's love for us when he didn't leave us in our sins. It was His mercy that gave us what He wanted for us and not what we deserved.

And after you suffer for a short time, God, who gives all grace, will make everything right. He will make you strong and support you and keep you from falling. He called you to share in his glory in Christ, a glory that will continue forever. 1 Peter 5:10

hammondb3klingon1
02-26-2007, 07:39 PM
Mercy starts with an m?