Creating a New Fellowship

[stmatthew]

Here is your chance (like you really need one) to tell us what you think is important in a fellowship. If you were going to create a new one, or join a new one, what would you be looking for? What do you see as non-negotiables? How structured would you have it??


Maybe we will incorporate AFF and start giving out licenses...................for a small fee of course. :igotit

[Ronzo]

I think Matt should be the pope of the AFF fellowship

[SDG]

How about we call it the Body of Christ????

[Ronzo]

How about we call it the Body of Christ????
Too liberal sounding... Kinda sounds "TBN-ish"...

[SDG]

Too liberal sounding... Kinda sounds "TBN-ish"...

Okay ... The Exclusive Country Club of Christ

[stmatthew]

Too liberal sounding... Kinda sounds "TBN-ish"...


Now THAT was funnnnnny!!! :slaphappy

[SDG]

I've got it!!! The Pharisees called their fellowship circle ... simply ...

THE ASSOCIATION.

[philjones]

Mr. Brown, according to his "Good Ol' Time Church" CD, attends Sweet Home Holy Baptist Full Gospel Methodist Pentecostal Christ Holy Sanctified Church of God In Christ... That would be a great acronym "SHHBFGMPCHSCOGIC" :)

[Ronzo]

Okay ... The Exclusive Country Club of Christ
Nah... not enough "Appalachia" ring to it.

[Nahum]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

[stmatthew]

You have taken my serious thread and made it a den of dweebs!!!!

[Ferd]

You have taken my serious thread and made it a den of dweebs!!!!

well what do you expect? all the dweebs showed up!

can we have a foosball table?

[SDG]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

What about a system for ministerial accountability??? How should it be structured?

[Michael The Disciple]

It must teach:

Oneness
Acts 2:38 for full salvation
Discipleship
Gifts of the Spirit
Post trib
Resurrection of the dead=Soul Sleep
Eternal Judgment=Annihilation of the wicked

That the goal and expectation of every Christian is to consistently overcome sin and live a holy life, abiding in Jesus and his doctrine.

[stmatthew]

What about a system for ministerial accountability??? How should it be structured?

Let God be the judge of all. He is good at knocking down the liars.

[SDG]

Nah... not enough "Appalachia" ring to it.

Good "Ole" Boyz Network???

[philjones]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

I could go along with this... Due to past experience I would add that there must be an effective method for restoring ministers who have fallen.

[stmatthew]

It must teach:

Oneness
Acts 2:38 for full salvation
Discipleship
Gifts of the Spirit
Post trib
Resurrection of the dead=Soul Sleep
Eternal Judgment=Annihilation of the wicked

That the goal and expectation of every Christian is to consistently overcome sin and live a holy life, abiding in Jesus and his doctrine.

So you want it to be a false prophet org???




:slaphappy

[SDG]

5 fold ministry?

[philjones]

What about a system for ministerial accountability??? How should it be structured?

I would recommend a system of a board of elders to whom each pastor is accountable.

[SDG]

Let God be the judge of all. He is good at knocking down the liars.

the 1st century church had councils ... no?

[SDG]

How will tithing be handled? Are there dues?

[stmatthew]

Good "Ole" Boyz Network???

how about "Apostolic Redeemed Ministry DBA: Preachers Into Teaching Sermons"

or "ARM PITS" for short

[Nahum]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.

[revrandy]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.

Wow!! I'm for this!!

[mizpeh]

What about a system for ministerial accountability??? How should it be structured?

Why not make EVERYONE accountable? saints and ministers alike?

[AGAPE]

well what do you expect? all the dweebs showed up!

can we have a foosball table?

I haven't played foosball in years....it is a fun game....unless I'm playing my father then it is a bad game....he wins:Nhl_check

[Ferd]

It must teach:

Oneness
Acts 2:38 for full salvation
Discipleship
Gifts of the Spirit
Post trib
Resurrection of the dead=Soul Sleep
Eternal Judgment=Annihilation of the wicked

That the goal and expectation of every Christian is to consistently overcome sin and live a holy life, abiding in Jesus and his doctrine.

talk about majoring on some minors!

[Ferd]

ahh someone mentioned the 5 fold ministry. this one always makes me giggle.

ever see a teacher promoted?

[Ferd]

I haven't played foosball in years....it is a fun game....unless I'm playing my father then it is a bad game....he wins:Nhl_check

Love foosball. but then again I also love billiards. (Pool for the uncooth.)

[stmatthew]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.

Even though I have joked with the joksters, I was really serious on this thread.

What you have described is an AWCF type org. With the exception of their Magazine they have available for members.

[Ferd]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.

in all seriousness, would your perfect org have a missions arm? would there be collective work for outreach?

[Nahum]

Even though I have joked with the joksters, I was really serious on this thread.

What you have described is an AWCF type org. With the exception of their Magazine they have available for members.

I would heavily advertise and promote the "fellowship" ideal. I would never, ever, ever, ever use the word "organization" at any time.

[stmatthew]

I would heavily advertise and promote the "fellowship" ideal. I would never, ever, ever, ever use the word "organization" at any time.

So how would this be funded, as it does cost to make it happen?

As far as Fellowship vs Org, I understand your thinking.

[stmatthew]

Let me see here:


1. Doctrinally strong with Act 2:38 W&S doctrine being mode of salvation.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only with administrative staff.
5. Regionally themed with regional conferences to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. Only funds raised for Missionary support
7. Monthly Magazine via mail (subscription extra) or via internet
8. Ministers hold fellowship card from Fellowship for admin small fee ($25 per year)

[Nahum]

in all seriousness, would your perfect org have a missions arm? would there be collective work for outreach?

There would be a focus on specific individual ministries. The website could be utilized to advertise those seeking funding, with a link to paypal accounts for INDIVIDUAL ministries.

This would do away with beauracracy and eliminate administrative expenses.

[Ferd]

There would be a focus on specific individual ministries. The website could be utilized to advertise those seeking funding, with a link to paypal accounts for INDIVIDUAL ministries.

This would do away with beauracracy and eliminate administrative expenses.

Looks like you are looking for a moderate AMF.

[SDG]

how about "Apostolic Redeemed Ministry DBA: Preachers Into Teaching Sermons"

or "ARM PITS" for short

How about Church Association of Christian Apostolics

[stmatthew]

Looks like you are looking for a moderate AMF.

Thats what I was thinking, but he threw in local license, and the AMF does that through the head office.


I really think the AMF has a good setup. They police their fellowship via the men within the fellowship. Each church is self governed by its Pastor and their board of Elders. They have a small Missions Arm, though I think they would be better served to drop it and use Bro Alvears vehicle instead.

[Nahum]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.
9. I would heavily advertise and promote the "fellowship" ideal. I would never, ever, ever, ever use the word "organization" at any time.
10. There would be a focus on specific individual ministries. The website could be utilized to advertise those seeking funding, with a link to paypal accounts for INDIVIDUAL ministries. This would do away with beauracracy and eliminate administrative expenses.

[Ronzo]

5 fold ministry?
Five... ten... whatever it takes...

[mizpeh]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

Great wish list!

Is this just wishful thinking or is this something you will actively pray for? Can God restructure the UPC?

[stmatthew]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.
9. I would heavily advertise and promote the "fellowship" ideal. I would never, ever, ever, ever use the word "organization" at any time.
10. There would be a focus on specific individual ministries. The website could be utilized to advertise those seeking funding, with a link to paypal accounts for INDIVIDUAL ministries. This would do away with beauracracy and eliminate administrative expenses.

The website would cost money itself (hosting, and building)

[revrandy]

in all seriousness, would your perfect org have a missions arm? would there be collective work for outreach?

Ferd..I just received a Western District Sheaves for Christ Offering info for the Top 20 or givers and TWO of the largest Churchs in the District are not in the Top 20..because ONE I know sponsers it's own Missions Programs overseas and most (if not all) of the Money goes that way.. not HQ... It may be the same across with others across our fair lands...

[stmatthew]

Let me see here:


1. Doctrinally strong with Act 2:38 W&S doctrine being mode of salvation.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only with administrative staff.
5. Regionally themed with regional conferences to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. Only funds raised for Missionary support with fund being sent directly to missionary
7. Monthly Magazine via mail (subscription extra) or via internet from website
8. Ministers hold fellowship card from Fellowship for admin small fee ($25 per year)

[Ronzo]

I don't think the cost of the subscriptions would actually be able to fund a quality magazine. That's why most magazines have advterisers.

Would this org.. er... fellowship consider advertising to supplement the cost of editing and publishing?

And $25 a year per 'minister' isn't enough to cover all the administrative costs associated with 'running' an org... er... a fellowship.

[Ferd]

Ferd..I just received a Western District Sheaves for Christ Offering info for the Top 20 or givers and TWO of the largest Churchs in the District are not in the Top 20..because ONE I know sponsers it's own Missions Programs overseas and most (if not all) of the Money goes that way.. not HQ... It may be the same across with others across our fair lands...

Rev, the overhead for missions should be less than a half of one percent. what we currently do, in many ways i just dont like at all.

If I were a pastor, there is an avenue that I would use for Missions and it aint the FMD.

[stmatthew]

I don't think the cost of the subscriptions would actually be able to fund a quality magazine. That's why most magazines have advterisers.

Would this org.. er... fellowship consider advertising to supplement the cost of editing and publishing?

And $25 a year per 'minister' isn't enough to cover all the administrative costs associated with 'running' an org... er... as fellowship.

AWCF charges only $25 per year to cover their admin expenses.

I think that the Mag could be available for online viewing for free, or in hardcopy format with a subscription cost. Some folks prefer the hardcopy to the web based. I personally have found that most advertisements in Church magazines leave a lot to be desired.

[Jack Shephard]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

I could go along with this... Due to past experience I would add that there must be an effective method for restoring ministers who have fallen.

Great Points!
I could do this

[clgustaveson]

This is hilarious if you were being dead serious then I have to give you props for not getting bent out of shape about the comments.

[Ronzo]

AWCF charges only $25 per year to cover their admin expenses.

I think that the Mag could be available for online viewing for free, or in hardcopy format with a subscription cost. Some folks prefer the hardcopy to the web based. I personally have found that most advertisements in Church magazines leave a lot to be desired.


Then the price of subscription would most likely be more than $25 per year... Web space costs money. Printing is ridiculously expensive.

How big is AWCF? How effectively is the back office run with that bargain basement funding? Low funding equates to more volunteer work... and volunteers for the most part have their own jobs to contend with and they get weary of working for nothing eventually... causes many problems in effectively 'keeping the house in order'.

[stmatthew]

Then the price of subscription would most likely be more than $25 per year... Web space costs money. Printing is ridiculously expensive.

How big is AWCF? How effectively is the back office run with that bargain basement funding? Low funding equates to more volunteer work... and volunteers for the most part have their own jobs to contend with and they get weary of working for nothing eventually... causes many problems in effectively 'keeping the house in order'.

From an outsiders view, the AWCF seems to run pretty smooth. It is by no means as big as the UPC, but it is not structured as a government, only a fellowship. About all you have to do to get a fellowship card is be a minister, and believe in Acts 2:38.

As far as subscription to a mag, I was thinking that it would be extra in addition to the fellowship fee.

Bro Epleys group has this same type of setup and they seem to have a smooth operation as well.

[Ronzo]

Not saying 'it won't work' and not trying to argue with you by any means... just thinking out loud...


I just don't think it's enough financially.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I may incorrect here as I'm not a member but I think membership in The AWCF is 50 dollars a yr.

[stmatthew]

Not saying 'it won't work' and not trying to argue with you by any means... just thinking out loud...


I just don't think it's enough financially.

It may not be. AWCF is more of a "club" than anything else. But they do a lot.

Check them out: www.awcf.org

[Ferd]

It may not be. AWCF is more of a "club" than anything else. But they do a lot.

Check them out: www.awcf.org

I wish I could tell you why I find that link so interesting.

[stmatthew]

I wish I could tell you why I find that link so interesting.


PM me on it.



BTW - I am not endorsing AWCF. They leave a lot to be desired for me. But their structure is pretty good.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

It may not be. AWCF is more of a "club" than anything else. But they do a lot.

Check them out: www.awcf.org

$48 a year for their magazine

Send $4.00 per copy to AWCF Headquarters, (includes postage and handling.)

[stmatthew]

I may incorrect here as I'm not a member but I think membership in The AWCF is 50 dollars a yr.

You could be right. It has been about 15 years since I held a fellowship card with them.

[Ronzo]

A friend of mine actually wants to eventually start an org... er... fellowship someday as well, so I'll be eyeing this thread as it evolves.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'm not trying to be ugly but there's one group they made a mistake in taking in.

[Scott Hutchinson]

It's a free country so if a minister wants to start a ministerial felowship I say go for it.

[Ronzo]

I'm not trying to be ugly but there's one group they made a mistake in taking in.
If it's who I think you're talking about... I'd agree.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If it's who I think you're talking about... I'd agree.

Yes it is.But I like Bishop Smith alot and there are some good men in the AWCF.
I have met Bishop Smith before and I know Bishop Bob Williams.

[Ronzo]

That reminds me of the old days of FCF... speaking of... where's Breachmender at?

[stmatthew]

That reminds me of the old days of FCF... speaking of... where's Breachmender at?

How well I remember he and the dog discussing the ICOF. :slaphappy

[Ronzo]

How well I remember he and the dog discussing the ICOF. :slaphappy
What was the claim? 15,000,000 familes or something?


Has anyone heard from this good man (Breachmender) lately?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I have heard from Breachmender I talk to him on the phone.
He is doing well he has moved and is helping run a Christian school.

[Ronzo]

I have heard from Breachmender I talk to him on the phone.
He is doing well he has moved and is helping run a Christian school.
Can you tell him I miss him and ask him to visit with us?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is a link to a man that seems to be a good man and who seems to be doing a good work who fellowships with AWCF brethren.
http://sonnycathey.org

[stmatthew]

Can you tell him I miss him and ask him to visit with us?

Yes tell him we need him to come and straighten us all out.

I say with all sincerity, What a Christian Breachmender is.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Can you tell him I miss him and ask him to visit with us?

Yes I will tell him.He is a member here but he's pretty busy as he is helping his brother with his construction business.

[Ronzo]

Yes tell him we need him to come and straighten us all out.

I say with all sincerity, What a Christian Breachmender is.
I agree. He's a good man and I appreciate him a great deal.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Breachmender is also busy preaching out.He doesn't pastor now.

[Sandra]

Here is your chance (like you really need one) to tell us what you think is important in a fellowship. If you were going to create a new one, or join a new one, what would you be looking for? What do you see as non-negotiables? How structured would you have it??


Maybe we will incorporate AFF and start giving out licenses...................for a small fee of course. :igotit

Are you talking about with all the preachers on here?? That would be a BIG MESS!! To many different veiws wouldn't work. JMO

[Nahum]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.
9. I would heavily advertise and promote the "fellowship" ideal. I would never, ever, ever, ever use the word "organization" at any time.
10. There would be a focus on specific individual ministries. The website could be utilized to advertise those seeking funding, with a link to paypal accounts for INDIVIDUAL ministries. This would do away with beauracracy and eliminate administrative expenses.


Look people, I contributed big time! No one else has any ideas?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I do have some ideas,yes I do.

[Ferd]

Look people, I contributed big time! No one else has any ideas?

I ve been asking questions!


personally i lean more to an organized system that has a real bent toward growth. that needs more structure than you advocate.

there are clearly a number of safeguards that would be needed to prevent some of the abuses that are inherent in such a system.

[Ronzo]

Look people, I contributed big time! No one else has any ideas?
It's all about you, ain't it PP?

;)

[Ferd]

If you took the basis of the UPCI from 1948, then stripped all the "law" out of it but kept the principles in place, I suspect I would be very happy.

[Nahum]

If you took the basis of the UPCI from 1948, then stripped all the "law" out of it but kept the principles in place, I suspect I would be very happy.


Mega-dittos!

[Nahum]

It's all about you, ain't it PP?

;)


Dude. I am an absolute nobody.


'cept to Jesus.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I thought PP meant Prestigious Pastor.

[RevDWW]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.

Good stuff.

Strong doctrines:
1. Emphasis put on "true religion" as mentioned by James (Assisting the Widow and Fatherless in their affliction and keeping ourselves unspotted from the world).
2. Correction of an individual should follow Jesus teaching of going one on one before further escalation.
3. Stress the need for producing the fruit of the Spirit.

What other doctrines beside that of Gospel salvation?

[mizpeh]

Good stuff.

Strong doctrines:
1. Emphasis put on "true religion" as mentioned by James (Assisting the Widow and Fatherless in their affliction and keeping ourselves unspotted from the world).
2. Correction of an individual should follow Jesus teaching of going one on one before further escalation.
3. Stress the need for producing the fruit of the Spirit.

What other doctrines beside that of Gospel salvation?

Oneness of God

[RevDWW]

Oneness of God

Preaching Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No other way but through Him, in water and Spirit baptism.

[Michael The Disciple]

talk about majoring on some minors!

What you call "minors" is the foundation doctrine of the New Testament Church.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
8. No licensing or dues. Ministers are licensed through their assembly.



Point no 1 is very vague and general isnt it? Doctrinally strong on WHAT?

[Ronzo]

Dude. I am an absolute nobody.


'cept to Jesus.
Was just giving you a hard time.

Love ya bro

[SDG]

How does one with a minister in this fictitious fellowship that falls into immorality or preaches he's the Messiah? How does one disqualify undesirables?

[Steve Epley]

Prevailing
Oneness
of
Pentecost

P.O.O.P.


Our motto


POOP HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POOP is the answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So & So the chairman of POOP.

POOP's officials.
:winkgrin:winkgrin:winkgrin:winkgrin:winkgrin

[PoorWiddleMe]

Here is your chance (like you really need one) to tell us what you think is important in a fellowship. If you were going to create a new one, or join a new one, what would you be looking for? What do you see as non-negotiables? How structured would you have it??


Maybe we will incorporate AFF and start giving out licenses...................for a small fee of course. :igotit

HONEST PEOPLE
PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIE
PEOPLE WHO DON'T STEAL
PEOPLE WHO DON'T SOW DISCORD
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SELFISH
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T DECEIVERS
PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY POLITICS
PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENT
............PEOPLE WHO SHOW GOD'S LOVE!!!!!

PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRULY REPENTED, HAD THEIR SINS REMITTED WITH BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST WILL SHOW THE AFOREMENTIONED FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT!!

IMAGINE...AND PRAY THAT SOMEDAY WE WILL HAVE THIS FELLOWSHIP AND WE WILL: IN HEAVEN!!

[Ferd]

What you call "minors" is the foundation doctrine of the New Testament Church.

Michael, The life, death, buriel and resurection of Jesus christ is the foundation of the New Testament. The revalation of the Might God in Christ and the Proper response to the Gospel as found in the book of Acts, are the foundation of the New Testament Apostolic Church.

what happens to dead people that do not obey the Gospel doesnt rise to that level. how one views the end of this age have little to no bering on Salvation. you have run down a rabbit trial and have lost your way.

you need to get back to the basics and let the minor stuff take care of themselves.

[Ferd]

How does one with a minister in this fictitious fellowship that falls into immorality or preaches he's the Messiah? How does one disqualify undesirables?

This is a good question!

[SDG]

This is a good question!

It should read "How does one deal w/ ...."

[Ferd]

It should read "How does one deal w/ ...."

you probably cringe at my spelling too....but I dont worry about your syntax.


your question is one of the reasons why I want a 1948 UPCI without the legalism.

I believe in solid structure but with the room for a pastor to pastor and room for open and lively discussion of the important issues.

We need to understand that seperation and holiness are good without detialing every single thing a person can and cannot do.

teach principles, leave execution to God and the individual.

[philjones]

Look people, I contributed big time! No one else has any ideas?

You dissed my contribution... only JTullock supported my addition! What do you think I am going to do, keep getting my feelings hurt? Some fellowship!:slaphappy:slaphappy

[Felicity]

Dude. I am an absolute nobody.


'cept to Jesus.And to your wife and your kids and the rest of your family and your friends and your congregation and to everyone else who loves you or even maybe just likes you. :) ;)

[philjones]

It should read "How does one deal w/ ...."

How would you suggest it be dealt with? I am a proponent of restoration with accountability and proving for a reasonable period of time.

[CC1]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.
2. Standards left up to the local assembly.
3. Fiscally responsible.
4. Central office for communication purposes only.
5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.
6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.
7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.

All good points except perhaps number 7. That one has me puzzled. Are you from Mississippi? (a lot of Mississippi people I know including my wife believe that reading is evil and will hurt you)

[Michael The Disciple]

Michael, The life, death, buriel and resurection of Jesus christ is the foundation of the New Testament. The revalation of the Might God in Christ and the Proper response to the Gospel as found in the book of Acts, are the foundation of the New Testament Apostolic Church.

what happens to dead people that do not obey the Gospel doesnt rise to that level. how one views the end of this age have little to no bering on Salvation. you have run down a rabbit trial and have lost your way.

you need to get back to the basics and let the minor stuff take care of themselves.

And thats why the"Apostolic" Church of today is what it is. Thats what this thread admits. That EVERYONE KNOWS something is wrong they just dont realize what it is.

[LadyChocolate]

Here is your chance (like you really need one) to tell us what you think is important in a fellowship. If you were going to create a new one, or join a new one, what would you be looking for? What do you see as non-negotiables? How structured would you have it??


Maybe we will incorporate AFF and start giving out licenses...................for a small fee of course. :igotit

from another poster:

HONEST PEOPLE
PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIE
PEOPLE WHO DON'T STEAL
PEOPLE WHO DON'T SOW DISCORD
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SELFISH
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T DECEIVERS
PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY POLITICS
PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSISTENT
............PEOPLE WHO SHOW GOD'S LOVE!!!!!

but I would require this of the ministers before the saints....

[CC1]

Here is your chance (like you really need one) to tell us what you think is important in a fellowship. If you were going to create a new one, or join a new one, what would you be looking for? What do you see as non-negotiables? How structured would you have it??


Maybe we will incorporate AFF and start giving out licenses...................for a small fee of course. :igotit

I have not had a chance to read this thread yet other than the opening post but here are my first thoughts about what I would want in this new fellowship;

1. Everyone to address me as "Your Majesty"/
2. Everyone to pay me a 20% tithe on their gross income
3. Everyone to agree with everything I say.

[LadyChocolate]

I have not had a chance to read this thread yet other than the opening post but here are my first thoughts about what I would want in this new fellowship;

1. Everyone to address me as "Your Majesty"/
2. Everyone to pay me a 20% tithe on their gross income
3. Everyone to agree with everything I say.



1st church of never never land:winkgrin

[CC1]

1st church of never never land:winkgrin

Hey! When it's 12:40 am and you have just eaten a chocolate covered glazed donut anything seems possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:winkgrin

[LadyChocolate]

Hey! When it's 12:40 am and you have just eaten a chocolate covered glazed donut anything seems possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:winkgrin

and after having 6 shots of espresso, I am going to laugh, fight, agree and disagree with anyone and every I can.... unfortunately, they are all asleep right now!!!

[LadyChocolate]

and after having 6 shots of espresso, I am going to laugh, fight, agree and disagree with anyone and every I can.... unfortunately, they are all asleep right now!!!

which brings me to a wonderful idea.....

This new fellowship should have espresso bars in all of the churches... doesn't have to be starbucks, though i am partial to them.....

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I have not had a chance to read this thread yet other than the opening post but here are my first thoughts about what I would want in this new fellowship;

1. Everyone to address me as "Your Majesty"/
2. Everyone to pay me a 20% tithe on their gross income
3. Everyone to agree with everything I say.

I disagree with number 3.

YOU did not answer my last question either....

:blah

[Brett Prince]

My wish list......

1. Doctrinally strong.

Wonderful. Whose doctrine?

2. Standards left up to the local assembly.

Meaning, we wouldn't have unity because we wouldn't agree with one another on any of them.

3. Fiscally responsible.

Why bother? With the rest of your points, there is no real need for an org (1), and (2) the money would all be managed locally apparently, anyhow.

4. Central office for communication purposes only.

See. No money. Just communication. We could send them just enough money to pay there salaries--especially seeing that in this technological age, the computer would do most of the work. No PPH, no FMD, no HMD, no nuttin!

5. Regionally themed to promote voluntary fellowship.

I can agree with this ideology, but it will never work.

6. No corporate fundraising programs whatsoever, each church would give to the ministries of their choice.

Then, there would never be a dynamic work done...because trust goes out the window--unless you have a ministry asking for funds that manages to become big. Once they do so, they can command the playing field above other newcomers.

7. No periodicals. All communication via internet or newsletter.
I dunno. Seems like it would all be communications for preachers only, then.

[tamor]

which brings me to a wonderful idea.....

This new fellowship should have espresso bars in all of the churches... doesn't have to be starbucks, though i am partial to them.....

We have coffee bars in our churches!

[LadyChocolate]

We have coffee bars in our churches!

see, that is too cool! i was jokingly telling my husband when we pastor, we were going to have a coffee bar in our church.... He told me about a church that really had a starbucks and i thought he was joking... I was amazed when it turned out to be true! I think it's great!!!!

[tamor]

see, that is too cool! i was jokingly telling my husband when we pastor, we were going to have a coffee bar in our church.... He told me about a church that really had a starbucks and i thought he was joking... I was amazed when it turned out to be true! I think it's great!!!!

We serve starbucks coffee and Otis Spunkmeyer cookies on Thursday nights at our midweek service in Savannah. The Jackson church has coffee and donuts on Sunday mornings and our church in Corinth has coffee and either donuts or cookies on Sunday mornings. It's a great way to break the ice with new folks.

[jwharv]

More importantly what would your Articles of Faith for this new "Fellowship" be?

[Sheltiedad]

Everyone will refer to preachers in the new org by these titles:

1. "Oh Great Poobah of Enlightenment"
2. "Bob" (we will find some scripture that proves that someone was called Bob one time and base this tradition on that scripture... I'm still looking for it but I have confidence that I will find something since people seem to be able to find a scripture to support pretty much any belief possible.)

[Titus2Mom]

My near perfect church.....just like the one we used to have before we moved, like the one I was saved in.

No organization, government, corporations, businesses....just CHURCH. There were no titles, everyone was "brother" or "sister."

Families were together the entire time, not split up into age segregated groups and taught completely different things.

Worship was simple and sincere, not fancy productions with "professional" music teams. Sometimes we didn't even have music, in which case we just lifted our voices to God, clapped our hands and worshiped him with what we had.

Biblical family structure was taught and encouraged.

The Apostle's Doctrine was taught uncompromisingly, and unadulterated.
We shared testimonies with one another every time we got together, it encouraged our faith. The "services" were very relaxed and flexible. If God moved, we didn't have to worry about the "schedule", we simply let Him do what he wanted.

It wasn't just a "church," it was a family. I miss it terribly.

[StillStanding]

My new fellowship will have a Division of Golf!!

You see, golf can be a great evangelism tool! You have a couple of guys held captive for four hours to share the Apostolic message. There is always a lake or pond nearby somewhere for a baptism if necessary! :)

[philjones]

My new fellowship will have a Division of Golf!!

You see, golf can be a great evangelism tool! You have a couple of guys held captive for four hours to share the Apostolic message. There is always a lake or pond nearby somewhere for a baptism if necessary! :)

Folks there is more truth to this than you might think. I travel extensively so I am often alone at the golf course and I get paired up with folks I don't know. The "getting acquainted period" on the first tee always opens the door for a statement that leads to the opportunity to testify of God's grace and mercy. I haven't baptized anyone yet but we have had short prayer meetings for specific needs. This also has prevented the normal cursing and sets the tone for the day.

Great idea Pianoman!:D

[Michael The Disciple]

More importantly what would your Articles of Faith for this new "Fellowship" be?

Some think its merely Acts 2:38. After that I suppose its just a matter of mens by laws, traditions, and standards.

[Ferd]

And thats why the"Apostolic" Church of today is what it is. Thats what this thread admits. That EVERYONE KNOWS something is wrong they just dont realize what it is.

MtD, the problems with the Apostolic church have nothing to do with teaching soul sleep and post trib.

that is your hang up.

[Michael The Disciple]

MtD, the problems with the Apostolic church have nothing to do with teaching soul sleep and post trib.

that is your hang up.

Well of course its more than that. It is the false doctrines of pre prib rapture, immortal Souls tortured for zillions of years, Sin for men to wear beards, sin for Woman to trim hair. Cursed if you dont tithe and of course you dont really have to cease from sin! This is a more full explanation of the problem.

Apostolics like yourself like to wrap yourselves around Acts 2:38 and feel you are safe. Everything else is minor. So you build on a small part of the true foundation as if the teachings of Jesus are mostly "just minors".