Why Do We Ignore the Dietary Laws of the Old Testament But Hold On to the Tithing Law

[revrandy]

Just a thought for Discussion...

There were specific Dietary Laws given in the Old Testament to God's Children to follow.....

No Webbed Feet..
Fish with Scales only...
No Pigs... (Pork, Bacon, or Sausage)
No Lobster, Shrimp, or Crayfish

and so on....

and yet we preach Old Testament Tithing... but not the diet...

Anybody have an answer for this??

Not arguing about Tithe...but discussing the why??

[Chan]

Just a thought for Discussion...

There were specific Dietary Laws given in the Old Testament to God's Children to follow.....

No Webbed Feet..
Fish with Scales only...
No Pigs... (Pork, Bacon, or Sausage)
No Lobster, Shrimp, or Crayfish

and so on....

and yet we preach Old Testament Tithing... but not the diet...

Anybody have an answer for this??

Not arguing about Tithe...but discussing the why??We also ignore the law about stoning to death one's rebellious children - today we send them to some psycho who then labels them as having "oppositional-defiant disorder."


We ignore the law against wearing two (or presumably more) different kinds of cloth.

We ignore the law against marring the corners of our beards.

There are numerous other laws we ignore.

But, yes, why do we choose to obey this particular law?

[Ferd]

First Peter deals with the diatary law, even if he went against himself.

second, I dont know if I believe in tithing as a law. I do know it is a Godly principle that God set up. It works very well and in the economy of God, I find blessing. thus tithing becomes for me the God-way of being a support to the body of Christ.

[revrandy]

First Peter deals with the diatary law, even if he went against himself.

second, I dont know if I believe in tithing as a law. I do know it is a Godly principle that God set up. It works very well and in the economy of God, I find blessing. thus tithing becomes for me the God-way of being a support to the body of Christ.

I understand this.. and I don't want make this about Tithing.. I believe in the Principle.. I don't think Peter broke the dietary law did he?? God was just dealing with him concerning the Gentiles...

[Ferd]

I understand this.. and I don't want make this about Tithing.. I believe in the Principle.. I don't think Peter broke the dietary law did he?? God was just dealing with him concerning the Gentiles...

I think if you read thru both the dream, the part that deals with Cornillius (sp) and then the exchange (near civil war) with Paul, you have to come to the conclusion that Peter did break the diatary law then was pressured into returning to it.

[revrandy]

I think if you read thru both the dream, the part that deals with Cornillius (sp) and then the exchange (near civil war) with Paul, you have to come to the conclusion that Peter did break the diatary law then was pressured into returning to it.

True.. but by Peter breaking it he would have to return to the temple to complete a purity ritual wouldn't he??

Because one man went against the law does that justify we who are the church doing the same??

and I know we're saved by Grace thru Faith.. but it is interesting to think about.. considering what is preached... and eaten..

[Ferd]

True.. but by Peter breaking it he would have to return to the temple to complete a purity ritual wouldn't he??

Because one man went against the law does that justify we who are the church doing the same??

and I know we're saved by Grace thru Faith.. but it is interesting to think about.. considering what is preached... and eaten..

Not many things better than a pulled pork sammich or fried catfish or a good greasy cheese burger...

but I believe that the dream Peter had settled the issue of diatary law completley. It did NOT do away with the law in general.

[Ferd]

But Paul did put the Law in perspective. That is to say, it does not save us however the principles behind it remain with us.

[revrandy]

Not many things better than a pulled pork sammich or fried catfish or a good greasy cheese burger...

but I believe that the dream Peter had settled the issue of diatary law completley. It did NOT do away with the law in general.

Thank God for our Gentileness!!! :D

[revrandy]

But Paul did put the Law in perspective. That is to say, it does not save us however the principles behind it remain with us.

True... true...

Seems some of us (me) would do good to recall those principles...:)

[Trouvere]

The dietary laws reminded them daily to obey their God.I think some of them were for very good reason.Such as not eating meat with blood.Blood carries bacteria.
I like to salt my meat and soak it so all the blood is removed and its cleaned.
It also tenderizes it.Its just better for you unless you have high blood pressure then you are going to have to rinse it alot.

Dr.Don Colbert has a great book entitled "What Would Jesus Eat" that deals with this very subject.I don't think it ought to done as a law but its worth looking into.

[Ferd]

True... true...

Seems some of us (me) would do good to recall those principles...:)

and maybe we are finally hitting on something really important here. As Chan points out we dont stone our kids for being bad.

but here is something that comes to mind.

Raising respectful children is the principle. but the punishment for breaking the law was what was paid for at Calvary. Jesus didnt free us from the principle of raising good kids, just the requirement to stone them if they were not.

[revrandy]

and maybe we are finally hitting on something really important here. As Chan points out we dont stone our kids for being bad.

but here is something that comes to mind.

Raising respectful children is the principle. but the punishment for breaking the law was what was paid for at Calvary. Jesus didnt free us from the principle of raising good kids, just the requirement to stone them if they were not.


Good Point Ferd!!

[clgustaveson]

I have often pondered this.

I have had many discussion and it has always led to the discussion of Jesus Declaring "no jot nor tittle" but the fact still remains we do things like this and refuse to honor others.

Peter did have a struggle and God revealed to him that anything He calls clean is not unclean, and this would bring one to wonder why God would use an allegorical situation where the literal representation meant nothing.

The law came to reveal, Jesus came to cleanse as far as I am concerned the law is no longer the issue at hand.

Now here is where I feel the issue lay. The tithing principle is one that sustains the church and provides, however, it does more. When you tithe it is not merely the giving of ten percent of ones income but the first tenth. It is, to me, a way to say to God I owe you the first fruits and the rest is mine. And if it's not a requirement (which I doubt will ever be settled) then it is at least a religious necessity for ongoing principles of Acts 2:42.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'll eat my catfish and give a free-will offering to the church and I'll give as I have been prospered to give and I'll give it cheerfully.Pork Sausage for breakfast sounds good.

[Michael The Disciple]

Saints ignore the fact tithing as part of the Sinai Covenant is done away with because Preachers teach them it is not.

["GL"]

Tithing was practiced prior to the giving of the law.

It is the principle of the giving of our firstfruits.

[Michael The Disciple]

Tithing was practiced prior to the giving of the law.

It is the principle of the giving of our firstfruits.

Most EVERYTHING in the Old Covenant was "principles" of something.

[Ferd]

I couldn't help the webbed feet!!!!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.styledash.com/media/2007/07/scuba.jpg

there is a different thread for that junk.

[Pressing-On]

there is a different thread for that junk.

Well, you erase yours and I'll erase mine. :D

[Praxeas]

Just a thought for Discussion...

There were specific Dietary Laws given in the Old Testament to God's Children to follow.....

No Webbed Feet..
Fish with Scales only...
No Pigs... (Pork, Bacon, or Sausage)
No Lobster, Shrimp, or Crayfish

and so on....

and yet we preach Old Testament Tithing... but not the diet...

Anybody have an answer for this??

Not arguing about Tithe...but discussing the why??
Your thread here is worded in the form of a logical fallacy that assumes we "ignore" something.

The fact is we look at what the bible says ABOUT them in the NT and concluded that we are NOT required to keep the dietary laws for the purpose of keeping the law.

In fact the reason why the council in Acts 15 says what it says about foods was because of the Jews in every city (because moses is read in every city)

Expanding on that Paul taught it was NOT a sin to eat foods offered to Idols BUT that it might offend a weaker brother, don't do it.

We gentiles are NOT constrained to keep dietary laws except if it might cause a stumbling block in front of a weaker brother. Same might go for some of you that feel it's ok to drink some whine (oops...I was thinking of BP)...wine should not do so with a brother who you know might stumble by it.

Paul taught the idol was nothing. Then he taught not to judge based on those dietary laws, which was what the judaizers were doing.

ol 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

[Praxeas]

True.. but by Peter breaking it he would have to return to the temple to complete a purity ritual wouldn't he??

Because one man went against the law does that justify we who are the church doing the same??

and I know we're saved by Grace thru Faith.. but it is interesting to think about.. considering what is preached... and eaten..
ONLY to please the jews. He would NOT have to do anything.

[Ferd]

Well, you erase yours and I'll erase mine. :D

NO way! i was joking!