ABC's Wife Swap Episode #314 MEEKS/HOOVER

[Hoovie]

Hello Friends, I am Steve Hoover. My Family was recently on ABC's Wife Swap Program.

Since I know several posters here on AFF I promised to engage to answer any questions viewers of the show may still have.

We have recieved amazing response from all over the US from both Christians and non Christians.
I will say in advance that God has used our participation in multiple ways which we will further share on our website at http://thehooverhouse.net in coming days.

Also, the ninetyandnine.net interviews can be found on our website or here http://www.ninetyandnine.net/cover/20070212.html
and here
http://www.ninetyandnine.net/cover/20070219.html

These interviews contain many answers and behind the scenes filming activity.

Thank you for your interest.


In Jesus,
Steve Hoover

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Part One of the Apostolic Friends Forum Discussion of this show (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=67)

Part Two of the Apostolic Friends Forum Discussion of this show (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=528)

[tv1a]

After reading the 90&9 interview, I'm sorry I missed the show. I fought back tears reading the interview and the testimony. How many people would have refused to walk through that door. I am so proud of your family. I'll have to catch the rerun...

[The Mrs]

After reading the 90&9 interview, I'm sorry I missed the show. I fought back tears reading the interview and the testimony. How many people would have refused to walk through that door. I am so proud of your family. I'll have to catch the rerun...

Or allowed them to walk in ours.

[JamDat]

Those interviews are great. I wish I had seen the episode.

[SoCaliUPC]

Once again, Steve, good to see you here. I am so glad that you and your family have been a positive witness to so many!

[Buffy]

I so enjoyed the episode! You and your family did a great job! People I work with, Christian and Non-Christians, have went on and on about it. They enjoyed it!

[CC1]

Steve,

Thanks for accepting the invitation to stop by and visit! I enjoyed watching the program and as soon as my work life and home life slow down a bit I will have some comments to make about it!

[Monkeyman]

Great job and my family was really proud of you and your family!
**I do have 1 tiny question** Did anyone besides me and my little brain feel a little weirded out when mom had rock parent's children do the pledge to the Bible? Here's why. I understood that the UPC parent's wouldn't go against a "religious" conviction and wear pants yet they wanted the other kids to pledge to a Bible??? I thought that this was a little double-sided and not fair to the other family. Don't get me wrong, I hope that ALL will come to the Lord and even pledge obedience to The Bible..but to force it?? Hmmm, not for me.
As for the rest of the show, the family was simply wonderful, funny, and enjoyable. They represented well! Kudos!

[Hoovie]

Glad to hear more good reports.

Kristin and I request prayer for a contact who says she is hungry for God, and Kristin is meeting with her tomorrow afternoon.
She was an aquaintance prior to seeing us on the show, but now has written us saying she is convinced she wants God in her life in a more real way.


God Bless,

Steve Hoover

[Scott Hutchinson]

Bro.Hoover I trust your lovely family is doing ok these days?

[Hoovie]

Great job and my family was really proud of you and your family!
**I do have 1 tiny question** Did anyone besides me and my little brain feel a little weirded out when mom had rock parent's children do the pledge to the Bible? Here's why. I understood that the UPC parent's wouldn't go against a "religious" conviction and wear pants yet they wanted the other kids to pledge to a Bible??? I thought that this was a little double-sided and not fair to the other family. Don't get me wrong, I hope that ALL will come to the Lord and even pledge obedience to The Bible..but to force it?? Hmmm, not for me.
As for the rest of the show, the family was simply wonderful, funny, and enjoyable. They represented well! Kudos!

Hmmm.....It's Kristin here, see how Steve is? He leaves the big questions for me!
I guess that I felt a little more at liberty and never thought of it in the way that you reference it as 'force it'. From the production side of it, the directors are constantly saying 'we want you to feel what it's like being in the other family.' When the tables were turned Tony was more than willing to experience what it was like being a Hoover (especially the food!). He would constantly ask, '"is this what Steve would wear? Does my hair look conservative enough? What would Steve be doing while you're doing this?" I truely felt he was open and wanting to experience our lives.
I personally did not want to home school (I liked the vacation), but little did I know the producers had another agenda and had even bought the materials ahead of time. So I continued school as I normally would.
If you have not read our interviews, please do. I think they enlighten the atmosphere in the Meeks home by the time rule change took place. (By day 3 Tony's heart was softening to God and we had in depth conversations about receiving the Holy Ghost). At times I would ask Tony, "what should I say?" and he'd reply "whatever God tells you to say!" As you can see there was much more liberty in Texas.
Also, the children have beautiful long nightly memorized prayers to Jesus. After observing this, I didn't think I was going against any of the parents wishes. They are trying hard to portray themselves as punk rockers, but there has always been little pebbles left along the way to lead them back home.
Hope this helps! Kristin

[Hoovie]

Bro.Hoover I trust your lovely family is doing ok these days?

Yes indeed! Thank you for asking. God has been exceptionally good to us.

[Steve Epley]

I guess I missed it.:tease

[Hoovie]

I guess I missed it.:tease


Bro Devito! Where have you been?:smack

Just teasing sir. Has anyone ever told you your looks favor Danny Devito?

[Steve Epley]

Bro Devito! Where have you been?:smack

WHO??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

[freeatlast]

Bro Devito! Where have you been?:smack

:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme

[freeatlast]

WHO??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

Danny Devito...quite possibly one of the few people in the world shorter than you.

[Steve Epley]

Where does he pastor?????????????????????

[freeatlast]

He is a movie star Br Epley...you better run and hide your eyes..this is a TV thread.

[Steve Epley]

He is a movie star Br Epley...you better run and hide your eyes..this is a TV thread.

Honestly in an airport once and in a resturant once I was asked if I was him so I:tease found out. He must be one ugly short guy is all I can say.:highfive

[freeatlast]

Honestly in an airport once and in a resturant once I was asked if I was him so I:tease found out. He must be one ugly short guy is all I can say.:highfive

Now now Br E...don't sell yourself short :killinme

hey is that hat on backwards in the avatar picture?

[MrsMcD]

Hmmm.....It's Kristin here, see how Steve is? He leaves the big questions for me!
I guess that I felt a little more at liberty and never thought of it in the way that you reference it as 'force it'. From the production side of it, the directors are constantly saying 'we want you to feel what it's like being in the other family.' When the tables were turned Tony was more than willing to experience what it was like being a Hoover (especially the food!). He would constantly ask, '"is this what Steve would wear? Does my hair look conservative enough? What would Steve be doing while you're doing this?" I truely felt he was open and wanting to experience our lives.
I personally did not want to home school (I liked the vacation), but little did I know the producers had another agenda and had even bought the materials ahead of time. So I continued school as I normally would.
If you have not read our interviews, please do. I think they enlighten the atmosphere in the Meeks home by the time rule change took place. (By day 3 Tony's heart was softening to God and we had in depth conversations about receiving the Holy Ghost). At times I would ask Tony, "what should I say?" and he'd reply "whatever God tells you to say!" As you can see there was much more liberty in Texas.
Also, the children have beautiful long nightly memorized prayers to Jesus. After observing this, I didn't think I was going against any of the parents wishes. They are trying hard to portray themselves as punk rockers, but there has always been little pebbles left along the way to lead them back home.
Hope this helps! Kristin

You all did a great job!!! God Bless both of you for being willing to go on tv and show the world true Christianity.

[Steve Epley]

Did y'all happen to explain to them the group you belong disapproves of it's members having televisions in their homes?????????? And a preacher if he is truthful can't own a television?????????????????? Just wondering?

[The Mrs]

Did y'all happen to explain to them the group you belong disapproves of it's members having televisions in their homes?????????? And a preacher if he is truthful can't own a television?????????????????? Just wondering?

Bro. Epley...I saw it reported somewhere that this show had the HIGHEST RATINGS EVER for this one episode...

How in the world could they possibly say something like that??? And if they HAD said something...how in the world could they explain the amount of viewers that tuned in??? :heeheehee

[Steve Epley]

Bro. Epley...I saw it reported somewhere that this show had the HIGHEST RATINGS EVER for this one episode...

How in the world could they possibly say something like that??? And if they HAD said something...how in the world could they explain the amount of viewers that tuned in??? :heeheehee

Might have asked them what they were doing on there????? Could have been the question????????????????????????

However that is the official stand of the church. Looks like it would have come up.

[Digging4Truth]

Might have asked them what they were doing on there????? Could have been the question????????????????????????

However that is the official stand of the church. Looks like it would have come up.

"The church" is people.

These members of "the church" were on the show.

So this was apprently not the official stance of these members of "the church"

[Steve Epley]

"The church" is people.

These members of "the church" were on the show.

So this was apprently not the official stance of these members of "the church"

Excuse me the organization their church is a member of states we wholeheartly disapprove of our members having televisions in their homes!!!!
And that group if a preacher is honest cannot have a television in his home and have license with that group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Name of the organization is The United Pentecostal CHURCH not ministerial group!

Most church have that on their CHURCH sign not my pastor holds license with the UPC ministerial group.

[Digging4Truth]

Excuse me the organization their church is a member of states we wholeheartly disapprove of our members having televisions in their homes!!!!
And that group if a preacher is honest cannot have a television in his home and have license with that group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Name of the organization is The United Pentecostal CHURCH not ministerial group!

Most church have that on their CHURCH sign not my pastor holds license with the UPC ministerial group.

Thank you sir for the clarification. You have spoken your view above reproach.

[Steve Epley]

Thank you sir for the clarification. You have spoken your view above reproach.

I am not condemning these good people the choice was theirs and they consulted their pastor which was admirable I was just wondering if it came up. Not to be nosy but do they own a television and if they don't how did they explain that to the producers???????? Just questions I am not throwing stones at these people. Did the saints they worship with watch the program if so then???????????? Do you understand??????? If you folks are reading this I am not trying to tar and feather you just trying to clear my mind?

[Hoovie]

Brother Epley,
We have chosen as a family, not to have broadcast television pumped into our home. However, we believed this was an open door that God had created, and that he could even make 'the rocks cry out' if he wanted to. God is not limited to our own bounderies.
The fact that we had never even seen the show until after ABC approved us is exactly why we were chosen - we are conservative.
Thanks for the clarification, Kristin

[Margies3]

I'm curious - how did you find out about the show in the first place if you don't have broadcast tv in your home? (not finding fault. I believe in tv. just curious :) )

[Kutless]

I'm curious - how did you find out about the show in the first place if you don't have broadcast tv in your home? (not finding fault. I believe in tv. just curious :) )M3 Great question. I think you have to apply to be on the show.

I was watching last night. I really don't care for this show at all. As I flipped around waiting on Heroes I stopped for a few minutes.

There seems to be so much "scripted" response. I find it to be very fake.

[CountryRev]

M3 Great question. I think you have to apply to be on the show.

I was watching last night. I really don't care for this show at all. As I flipped around waiting on Heroes I stopped for a few minutes.

There seems to be so much "scripted" response. I find it to be very fake.

I MISSED it, too. I'd be lying if I said I had NO desire to see it - I'm curious, but I WILL NOT WATCH IT.

ABC must have knocked on their door, it seems.

Who's idea was it?

God opened the door?

[Margies3]

I've never personally watched the show just because I can't make myself get past the title ----- "Wife Swap"???? I know I couldn't do it. I don't say that these folks were wrong. It could very well be that God will use this experience to change alot of people's lives. But I couldn't personally do it. And I know for sure that Walt could never, ever do it!!! It's hard enough for him to put up with me - and he loves me! I can't imagine him putting up with someone he doesn't even love who has values so polar opposite of him. Nope, can't see it!

[Kutless]

I've never personally watched the show just because I can't make myself get past the title ----- "Wife Swap"???? I know I couldn't do it. I don't say that these folks were wrong. It could very well be that God will use this experience to change alot of people's lives. But I couldn't personally do it. And I know for sure that Walt could never, ever do it!!! It's hard enough for him to put up with me - and he loves me! I can't imagine him putting up with someone he doesn't even love who has values so polar opposite of him. Nope, can't see it!How dare you say Walt has no values!:tease

[Steve Epley]

Brother Epley,
We have chosen as a family, not to have broadcast television pumped into our home. However, we believed this was an open door that God had created, and that he could even make 'the rocks cry out' if he wanted to. God is not limited to our own bounderies.
The fact that we had never even seen the show until after ABC approved us is exactly why we were chosen - we are conservative.
Thanks for the clarification, Kristin

Thank you for your kindness in answering. Of course I did not see it and will never see it. I certainly hope that someone that has seen will come to truth and be saved.:ty

[Felicity]

M3 Great question. I think you have to apply to be on the show.

I was watching last night. I really don't care for this show at all. As I flipped around waiting on Heroes I stopped for a few minutes.

There seems to be so much "scripted" response. I find it to be very fake.They all are very fake imo. That's partly why I don't watch them. I have no interest.

[myhaloisintheshop]

I did watch and and have seen other episodes. I have to say that THIS episode seemed to be less scripted--they weren't puppets in the producers hands in a sense.

Since reading the interview though I won't watch Wife Swap anymore (not that I did regularly) I think it is wrong to take scenes and place them where they are best fitting for drama. The name of the show--Wife Swap is just for shock value. To get you to tune in and see how far they take it

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Part One of the Apostolic Friends Forum Discussion of this show (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=67)

Part Two of the Apostolic Friends Forum Discussion of this show (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=528)

I did watch and and have seen other episodes. I have to say that THIS episode seemed to be less scripted--they weren't puppets in the producers hands in a sense.

Since reading the interview though I won't watch Wife Swap anymore (not that I did regularly) I think it is wrong to take scenes and place them where they are best fitting for drama. The name of the show--Wife Swap is just for shock value. To get you to tune in and see how far they take it

I think the producers tried to script it....

From how I read the Interviews.

:dunno

[Hoovie]

I'm curious - how did you find out about the show in the first place if you don't have broadcast tv in your home? (not finding fault. I believe in tv. just curious :) )

Kristin has a sister who had watched the show, and told her last year she should consider being a participant. As a professional who placed her career on hold to put her conservative family first by home schooling, she is not a typical wife.

Later on last year we were contacted by a casting agent for the show through my trade association (for chimney sweeps). Two - three days after they made personal contact, we had a camera man from New York in our home for an all day interview.

They receive 700 plus applications a week - but we did not seek to be on the show until after they contacted us.


As Kristin stated earlier today... "We have chosen as a family, not to have broadcast television" - I am not sure that is the same as not "believing in TV".

There are some good programs of course, but the one thousand channels that were brought in as a part of the rule changes were promptly removed after the show.

I continue to think it is not the greatest or wisest use of family time, especially for small children. We do monitor everything our children watch. This caution-of-TV stance is becoming quite popular in America and I believe we do ourselves a disservice to make this a "religious" or "church" issue. Much of television programing is unfit for Christians - yes - but my question is, Where do people find the four to eight hours a day to watch TV?

It is my view that the fascination of entertainment at the expense of social interaction with peers and family is detrimental - regardless of the content.


Steve Hoover

[Hoovie]

I did watch and and have seen other episodes. I have to say that THIS episode seemed to be less scripted--they weren't puppets in the producers hands in a sense.

Since reading the interview though I won't watch Wife Swap anymore (not that I did regularly) I think it is wrong to take scenes and place them where they are best fitting for drama. The name of the show--Wife Swap is just for shock value. To get you to tune in and see how far they take it

In all fairness the show is not "scripted" - meaning they don't give you lines to say. They do ask you to express your real views in your own words. When I was asked to say something they were simply asking for a condensed version of a previous statement. We did refuse to do this at times because the "qualifiers" were often essential to the statement.

What does happen, is "setting the stage" for a scene. This is done to move the show along.

There are many hours of filming prior to the actual "swap" taking place, so they know in detail how you feel and think on issues regarding most of your life and daily routine. The family you are matched with is very likely your opposite in more ways than one.

Why some scenes appear scripted, would likely be due to;

1. the participant's unwillingness to 'be themselves' on camera
2. the participant's reluctance to judge a relative stranger - even in their own home
3. the inability to capture a view or thought in a 30 sec clip

Steve Hoover

[Monkeyman]

Hmmm.....It's Kristin here, see how Steve is? He leaves the big questions for me!
I guess that I felt a little more at liberty and never thought of it in the way that you reference it as 'force it'. From the production side of it, the directors are constantly saying 'we want you to feel what it's like being in the other family.' When the tables were turned Tony was more than willing to experience what it was like being a Hoover (especially the food!). He would constantly ask, '"is this what Steve would wear? Does my hair look conservative enough? What would Steve be doing while you're doing this?" I truely felt he was open and wanting to experience our lives.
I personally did not want to home school (I liked the vacation), but little did I know the producers had another agenda and had even bought the materials ahead of time. So I continued school as I normally would.
If you have not read our interviews, please do. I think they enlighten the atmosphere in the Meeks home by the time rule change took place. (By day 3 Tony's heart was softening to God and we had in depth conversations about receiving the Holy Ghost). At times I would ask Tony, "what should I say?" and he'd reply "whatever God tells you to say!" As you can see there was much more liberty in Texas.
Also, the children have beautiful long nightly memorized prayers to Jesus. After observing this, I didn't think I was going against any of the parents wishes. They are trying hard to portray themselves as punk rockers, but there has always been little pebbles left along the way to lead them back home.
Hope this helps! Kristin
Indeed it does...all I can say is...you all were so brave! Great Job!:highfive

[Steve Epley]

Kristin has a sister who had watched the show, and told her last year she should consider being a participant. As a professional who placed her career on hold to put her conservative family first by home schooling, she is not a typical wife.

Later on last year we were contacted by a casting agent for the show through my trade association (for chimney sweeps). Two - three days after they made personal contact, we had a camera man from New York in our home for an all day interview.

They receive 700 plus applications a week - but we did not seek to be on the show until after they contacted us.


As Kristin stated earlier today... "We have chosen as a family, not to have broadcast television" - I am not sure that is the same as not "believing in TV".

There are some good programs of course, but the one thousand channels that were brought in as a part of the rule changes were promptly removed after the show.

I continue to think it is not the greatest or wisest use of family time, especially for small children. We do monitor everything our children watch. This caution-of-TV stance is becoming quite popular in America and I believe we do ourselves a disservice to make this a "religious" or "church" issue. Much of television programing is unfit for Christians - yes - but my question is, Where do people find the four to eight hours a day to watch TV?

It is my view that the fascination of entertainment at the expense of social interaction with peers and family is detrimental - regardless of the content.


Steve Hoover

Then in reality you are NOT opposed to televison since it is NOT a CHURCH issue?? Did you realize it is a church issue in the United Pentecostal Church?
The article plainly says 'we(the United Pentecostal Church) disapprove of any of our members having a television in the homes.' NO preacher that is honest can have license with the United Pentcostal Church that has a Television in their home. Just a thought.

[Subdued]

Then in reality you are NOT opposed to televison since it is NOT a CHURCH issue?? Did you realize it is a church issue in the United Pentecostal Church?
The article plainly says 'we(the United Pentecostal Church) disapprove of any of our members having a television in the homes.' NO preacher that is honest can have license with the United Pentcostal Church that has a Television in their home. Just a thought.
I thought they said that they don't have a TV in their home...?

[secretplace]

Would you recommend this method of witnessing to the lost become one that is endorsed and encouraged by the UPCI? Should more UPCI couples seek this exposure?

Perhaps appearing on wife swapping shows are the way of the future but I don't think so.

What exactly did those watching "see" that would draw the unsaved?

[Hoovie]

Then in reality you are NOT opposed to televison since it is NOT a CHURCH issue?? Did you realize it is a church issue in the United Pentecostal Church?
The article plainly says 'we(the United Pentecostal Church) disapprove of any of our members having a television in the homes.' NO preacher that is honest can have license with the United Pentcostal Church that has a Television in their home. Just a thought.

Sorry, I am not sure how to respond to this. I thought I was clear. We currently do not recieve broadcast TV, or cable/sat etc.

Also, I failed to mention earlier that I am not a "preacher".

Steve Hoover

[rgcraig]

Then in reality you are NOT opposed to televison since it is NOT a CHURCH issue?? Did you realize it is a church issue in the United Pentecostal Church?
The article plainly says 'we(the United Pentecostal Church) disapprove of any of our members having a television in the homes.' NO preacher that is honest can have license with the United Pentcostal Church that has a Television in their home. Just a thought.
:heeheehee

[Steve Epley]

Sorry, I am not sure how to respond to this. I thought I was clear. We currently do not recieve broadcast TV, or cable/sat etc.

Also, I failed to mention earlier that I am not a "preacher".

Steve Hoover

I misunderstood you I apologize.

[Hoovie]

Hello Friends, I am Steve Hoover. My Family was recently on ABC's Wife Swap Program.

Since I know several posters here on AFF I promised to engage to answer any questions viewers of the show may still have.

We have received amazing response from all over the US from both Christians and non Christians.
I will say in advance that God has used our participation in multiple ways which we will further share on our website at http://thehooverhouse.net in coming days.

Also, the ninetyandnine.net interviews can be found on our website or here http://www.ninetyandnine.net/cover/20070212.html
and here
http://www.ninetyandnine.net/cover/20070219.html

These interviews contain many answers and behind the scenes filming activity.

Thank you for your interest.


In Jesus,
Steve Hoover

I am posting this again for the benefit of some recent posters.

Since I know several posters here on AFF I promised to engage to answer any questions viewers of the show may still have.

I am sorry there are some strong opinions by the non-viewers of the show, but that is not really what this thread is about.

Daily we are getting feedback from viewers by e-mail, phone, letters, even flowers from the local community, and face to face personal contact with hundreds in our realm of influence. 99% of the feedback is positive, and we are sharing our faith.

Two people in our assembly have stated they were compelled to come back to church because they saw the show. Both had been absent in recent weeks.

Thanks to the show, today my wife had a personal bible study (and more to come) in our home.

Also, today I had a Highway Patrolman (whom I don't know) come up to me in a restaurant and thank me for being a witness and standing strong for my faith on the show.

Also, today I had personal discussions about God with four other people - two were strangers.

[rgcraig]

Stephen,

You are exactly right! You guys will never know the complete impact you had on the viewers.

It was a God thing.

[Monkeyman]

I am posting this again for the benefit of some recent posters.

Since I know several posters here on AFF I promised to engage to answer any questions viewers of the show may still have.

I am sorry there are some strong opinions by the non-viewers of the show, but that is not really what this thread is about.

Daily we are getting feedback from viewers by e-mail, phone, letters, even flowers from the local community, and face to face personal contact with hundreds in our realm of influence. 99% of the feedback is positive, and we are sharing our faith.

Two people in our assembly have stated they were compelled to come back to church because they saw the show. Both had been absent in recent weeks.

Thanks to the show, today my wife had a personal bible study (and more to come) in our home.

Also, today I had a Highway Patrolman (whom I don't know) come up to me in a restaurant and thank me for being a witness and standing strong for my faith on the show.

Also, today I had personal discussions about God with four other people - two were strangers.
OK folks, get off of your hobby horses..here ya go, results!!! Congrats on what GOD is doing through your lives, be blessed, encouraged in the Lord, and much success on your journey! If I don't ever get to meet ya down here, we'll high five in heaven!

[Hoovie]

I have posted a sample of the viewer response to the show at the http://thehooverhouse.net/

Go to the Viewer Response page. (http://thehooverhouse.net/general_002.htm)

[Hoovie]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

[LadyCoonskinner]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" is water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!! GOTTA LOVE IT!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Who said advertising on TV won't work!!!

[CC1]

Who said advertising on TV won't work!!!


I think I should try out for "So You Think You Can Dance" so I can be a witness!!!

One look at my dancing and folks would be seeking the nearest church for prayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

I think I should try out for "So You Think You Can Dance" so I can be a witness!!!

One look at my dancing and folks would be seeking the nearest church for prayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You never know until you try!

Be sure and let me know when you will be auditioning. I wanna watch! :D

[LaGirl]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!


That is GREAT Stephen!

[crakjak]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

Well, this just goes to show that many sincere believers are ready for prime time even if screaming preachers are not!(j/k) How did the early church propagate? It was house to house, literally sheep begetting sheep. :winkgrin

[Ron]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!


That is great!:tiphat

[SoCaliUPC]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

AWESOME!!!

[Just a Shepherd]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?

[Michlow]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?

I would think that the camermen would be adequate chaperones ;)

[Steve Epley]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?

There is a thought?

[Monkeyman]

Oh puhleeze, you cats would've been the first to criticize Christ for the way he ministered to women, sheesh. THERE WAS AN ENTIRE TELEVISION PRODUCTION CREW AT BOTH HOMES and don't even try to insinuate any shenanigans or misdeeds committed. You critics need a clue, really you do.

[Steve Epley]

Oh puhleeze, you cats would've been the first to criticize Christ for the way he ministered to women, sheesh. THERE WAS AN ENTIRE TELEVISION PRODUCTION CREW AT BOTH HOMES and don't even try to insinuate any shenanigans or misdeeds committed. You critics need a clue, really you do.

I do not believe he was insinuating any misdeeds or immorality but maybe the appearance of such an act.

[Monkeyman]

I do not believe he was insinuating any misdeeds or immorality but maybe the appearance of such an act.Yup, where have I heard that before, the appearance. The appearence would have limited Christ's dealings with women, ya think??? Hows the anointing of long hair on his feet???? How does that appear to you? Give me a break. There is NO appearence of anything on this show just two families looking how others live their lives and this was an opportunity to show the world how Godly people live. You guys make it dirty.

[MrsMcD]

Yup, where have I heard that before, the appearance. The appearance would have limited Christ's dealings with women, ya think??? Hows the anointing of long hair on his feet???? How does that appear to you? Give me a break. There is NO appearance of anything on this show just two families looking how others live their lives and this was an opportunity to show the world how Godly people live. You guys make it dirty.

I understand what you are saying but the name of the show does sound suspicious especially for those that have never watched it.

[Monkeyman]

Elder, during your ministry, have you ever been put up with anyone to stay in their home, maybe a married family? How about you and your wife staying at another couples home? How do you think that would look to some perverts of this world that do that very thing and turn it into hideous sins? Maybe you haven't lodged this way during your ministry travels but many have...we could put the same level of ugliness on them...but we wouldn't CUZ WE HAVE A CLUE!!!!

[Monkeyman]

I understand what you are saying but the name of the show does sound suspicious especially for those that have never watched it.I understand what you are saying but drying someone of the opposite sex's feet with your hair would look suspicious to those who have never watched Jesus minister.

*sigh* whatever. done with it.

[Hoovie]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?

Yes, pretty much. And as was stated there was a film crew of eight recording the happenings.

The name of the show is provocative and that nearly deterred our involvement. We had never seen the show either when we were asked to participate, but did investigate before agreeing.

You can read the details in our interviews at http://thehooverhouse.net/

[MrsMcD]

I understand what you are saying but drying someone of the opposite sex's feet with your hair would look suspicious to those who have never watched Jesus minister.

*sigh* whatever. done with it.

But is wasn't called "Wife Swap." :slaphappy

[Steve Epley]

Elder, during your ministry, have you ever been put up with anyone to stay in their home, maybe a married family? How about you and your wife staying at another couples home? How do you think that would look to some perverts of this world that do that very thing and turn it into hideous sins? Maybe you haven't lodged this way during your ministry travels but many have...we could put the same level of ugliness on them...but we wouldn't CUZ WE HAVE A CLUE!!!!

I would not stay on a home where the woman was there without her husband unless my wife was there.

Just a question as you know I have not and will not see the show if I told someone you had wife-swapped with someone else would not be insulted?

After saying this I am not impugning the Hoovers and if someone is saved because of this I rejoice and the result not necessarily the means.

[Hoovie]

I would not stay on a home where the woman was there without her husband unless my wife was there.

Just a question as you know I have not and will not see the show if I told someone you had wife-swapped with someone else would not be insulted?

After saying this I am not impugning the Hoovers and if someone is saved because of this I rejoice and the result not necessarily the means.


We have had discussion with many people about the show and can honestly say most everyone understands the title of the show is simply a provocative marketing gimmick or parody. To my knowledge Mars Hill had no Christian or moral reputation, but God used the venue in spite of it's common use.

The only actual inference that there was any impropriety with our involvement came not from the culture we desired to impact but from a very conservative Christian man who used the occasion to impune us personally and judge our motives.

I am thankful we are then rejoicing together.


In Jesus, Stephen

[CupCake]

We have had discussion with many people about the show and can honestly say most everyone understands the title of the show is simply a provocative marketing gimmick or parody. To my knowledge Mars Hill had no Christian or moral reputation, but God used the venue in spite of it's common use.

The only actual inference that there was any impropriety with our involvement came not from the culture we desired to impact but from a very conservative Christian man who used the occasion to impune us personally and judge our motives.

I am thankful we are then rejoicing together.


In Jesus, Stephen


Stephen your lucky they put you with The INFAMOUS "God Warrior"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCODIhAXbQM

Now that would have been a trip...;) You all did well.

[Just a Shepherd]

Oh puhleeze, you cats would've been the first to criticize Christ for the way he ministered to women, sheesh. THERE WAS AN ENTIRE TELEVISION PRODUCTION CREW AT BOTH HOMES and don't even try to insinuate any shenanigans or misdeeds committed. You critics need a clue, really you do.

I suppose that you hold out your arrogance and pride as proof of your superior spirituality.

[Hoovie]

Stephen your lucky they put you with The INFAMOUS "God Warrior"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCODIhAXbQM

Now that would have been a trip...;) You all did well.

Proves Christians need to have access to shrinks just like nonchristians. LOL!

Of course Trading Spouses is a different show (cable).

[CupCake]

Proves Christians need to have access to shrinks just like nonchristians. LOL!

Of course Trading Spouses is a different show (cable).

Lol~ Very true! I never seen Trading Spouses show before, but had a friend send me the link. She really did scare me~

[myhaloisintheshop]

Trading Spouses is on normal Tv......but its a bit weirder than Wife Swap...lol

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?


Touted as yet a great first for "Evangelism!" :aaa

[CupCake]

Trading Spouses is on normal Tv......but its a bit weirder than Wife Swap...lol


Well I live very remote we receive one channel ABC and it’s not clear at all. I did view Wife Swap with the Hoovers, and I enjoyed it.

[CupCake]

I don't have a TV, haven't ever seen the show so forgive me if this is a stupid question. You had another man's wife living in your home while your wife was living in the home of another man?


First off they are not alone, T.V crew, directors watching there ever move to hopefully catch that one perfect shot. Second, what do you do when your sister or sister in law show up without a hubby? You make them sleep in a hotel so people won’t think something going on? I have watch Wife Swap handful of times, it’s has never crossed my mind once, are these people sneaking around, never, most can’t stand each other. And last it’s about seeing how other’s live, and most realize their life not that bad.

[Monkeyman]

I suppose that you hold out your arrogance and pride as proof of your superior spirituality.Yes, yes thats exactly what I do.:aaa

[Monkeyman]

Touted as yet a great first for "Evangelism!" :aaaSo nothing good came of it Boom? You serious? Sheesh

[CC1]

Touted as yet a great first for "Evangelism!" :aaa


You will be changing your mind once you see the people I win to the gospel once I become a contestant on "So You Think You Can Dance"!!!!!!!!!!:happydance

[Monkeyman]

You will be changing your mind once you see the people I win to the gospel once I become a contestant on "So You Think You Can Dance"!!!!!!!!!!:happydance
hahahaha!:slaphappy

[Steve Epley]

They want me on the Mr. Universe show to display my muscular torso I didn't want to but if it will save the multitudes??????:tiphat

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

You will be changing your mind once you see the people I win to the gospel once I become a contestant on "So You Think You Can Dance"!!!!!!!!!!:happydance

Please?

No photos! :nah

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

So nothing good came of it Boom? You serious? Sheesh

Monk, that is not what I said.

[commonsense]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!


That's so great. I expect to hear of other positives from this experience.
A rather unusual opportunity to be sure, but it can impact so many that would never enter a church.

[ILG]

They want me on the Mr. Universe show to display my muscular torso I didn't want to but if it will save the multitudes??????:tiphat

Ya gotta make those sacrifices!:happydance

[Steve Epley]

Ya gotta make those sacrifices!:happydance

By all means save the lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tiphat

[CupCake]

Ya gotta make those sacrifices!:happydance


Hey long time no see, like the kitty~

http://static.flickr.com/89/247884884_485bd8cc02.jpg

[ILG]

By all means save the lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tiphat

Looks like you're a pretty prolific writer around here lately. Is the old SE spending a lot of time on the internet forum eh??? Heheh. :igotit

[ILG]

Hey long time no see, like the kitty~

http://static.flickr.com/89/247884884_485bd8cc02.jpg

Cute picture. Who might cupcake be?

[Steve Epley]

Looks like you're a pretty prolific writer around here lately. Is the old SE spending a lot of time on the internet forum eh??? Heheh. :igotit

I will be off here most of tomorrow then not again til the weekend maybe. But today was one of those carefree days.:tiphat

[chosenbyone]

So a seven year old is watching cartoons, changes channels and sees the Hoover/Meeks families on TV.

He says "Mom, are these the people that live close to uncle's house?"

Mom says "yes!" and watches the show.

After the show she writes Kristin a letter, saying she wants more of God, "Can you help me?"

Kristin begins prayer and bible study with her twice weekly.

Today "Mom" was water baptised and recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit!

This definitely was a God thing, Steve! God won't allow anyone to dictate how he will reach the lost in these last days. Who could argue with results such as the ones given?

God bless you and your family.

Chosen

[Monkeyman]

Who could argue with results such as the ones given?Around here??? Plenty!

[chosenbyone]

Around here??? Plenty!

Sad but true, Monkeyman.

[tv1a]

I'd like to see how a legalist would fare on Jeff Foxworthy's new show with the fifth graders...

You will be changing your mind once you see the people I win to the gospel once I become a contestant on "So You Think You Can Dance"!!!!!!!!!!:happydance

[CC1]

I'd like to see how a legalist would fare on Jeff Foxworthy's new show with the fifth graders...

I only watched the first episode of it but there were a few questions I didn't know. I think I could probably embarress myself pretty well on that show.

[Just a Shepherd]

This definitely was a God thing, Steve! God won't allow anyone to dictate how he will reach the lost in these last days. Who could argue with results such as the ones given?

God bless you and your family.

Chosen

Around here??? Plenty!

Everyone knows that the end always justifies the means. I know many men who got locked up for using drugs and found salvation in prison, would you also suggest drug use as evangelism?

I might be sorry I asked that.

[Monkeyman]

Everyone knows that the end always justifies the means. I know many men who got locked up for using drugs and found salvation in prison, would you also suggest drug use as evangelism?

I might be sorry I asked that.Your sorry alright but for undisclosed reasons!!
Feel free to continue to be a critic, its actually easier than doing the work yourself.
I only respond to you this way because of prior posts, I usually leave folks alone for their ridiculous remarks, as in equating what BROTHER stephen did with drug use. I know I can't get through to you so we may as well drop it, it is getting us nowhere and borders on boredom.
Be blessed in all that you do and I hope you reach your community. (dead serious).
Monkeyman

[Just a Shepherd]

Your sorry alright but for undisclosed reasons!!
Feel free to continue to be a critic, its actually easier than doing the work yourself.
I only respond to you this way because of prior posts, I usually leave folks alone for their ridiculous remarks, as in equating what BROTHER stephen did with drug use. I know I can't get through to you so we may as well drop it, it is getting us nowhere and borders on boredom.
Be blessed in all that you do and I hope you reach your community. (dead serious).
Monkeyman

Well let's see, we are currently teaching a bible study to a couple, have won eight people to the lord in the last five years and are celebrating a Messianic Passover tonight where we will have 70 non-Apostolic guests that have RSVP'd to attend, who will hear the ACTS message. And we did it all without having my wife sleep over at another man's house for TV entertainment.

Since you are the "anything in the name of evangelism" person, just what are you doing? How many Bible studies are you currently teaching and how many people have you personally won in the last five years?

[Monkeyman]

Well let's see, we are currently teaching a bible study to a couple, have won eight people to the lord in the last five years and are celebrating a Messianic Passover tonight where we will have 70 non-Apostolic guests that have RSVP'd to attend, who will hear the ACTS message. And we did it all without having my wife sleep over at another man's house for TV entertainment.

Since you are the "anything in the name of evangelism" person, just what are you doing? How many Bible studies are you currently teaching and how many people have you personally won in the last five years?
That is AWESOME!!!!!
I have won 2 this year, I'm working on another one and as soon as I git him, I'm sure his family will follow, so please pray for me!

[mfblume]

If they could only change the NAME OF THE SHOW.... yuck! Wife Swap. (man). That is too lewd sounding, and intended that way.

[Hoovie]

Apostolic Wife Swap: Continued Media Attention


The Atlantic Monthly writer discusses the Hoover family involvement on Wife Swap.

“I feel by being there,” Kristin Hoover said, “I was able to remind Tony that God still loves him and is not finished with him.” The episode took seriously the Hoovers ’ commitment to homeschooling and their rejection of contemporary culture (a rejection not taken to the extreme of declining an invitation to appear on reality TV).

Follow this link to the Collideoscope blog

http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/sblog.html


______________________

http://www.thehooverhouse.net

[Hoovie]

Here is the Atlantic Monthly article in it's entirety for those who say they can't access it on the website.

"What the snobs don’t understand"
The Case for Reality TV

by Michael Hirschorn

.....

This past January, I had the pleasure of serving as official spear-catcher for a CBS Evening News report on the increasing levels of humiliation on American Idol and other reality-TV shows, including some on my channel, VH1. The segment featured snippets of our shows I Love New York (a dating competition with an urban vibe) and Celebrity Fit Club (which tracks the efforts of overweight singers and actors to get back in shape, and, by extension, reignite their careers). “VH1, among other things, showcases faded celebrities who are fat,” said the CBS correspondent Richard Schlesinger.

In between shots of me fake working at my computer and fake chatting with the amiable Schlesinger while fake strolling down our corporate-looking hallway, I took my best shot at defending the alleged horrors of AI and CelebrityFit Club. But it was clear that CBS News was set on bemoaning what it saw as yet another outrage against the culture. The central complaint, per Katie Couric’s intro to the report, was that more people had watched American Idol the previous week than watched the State of the Union address on all the broadcast networks combined. When the segment ended, Couric signed off with an extravagant eye roll. “We’re doing our part here at CBS News,” she seemed to be saying, “but the barbarians are massing at the gates, people.” A line had been drawn in the sand, as if the news were now akin to an evening at the Met.

Is there an easier position to take in polite society than to patronize reality TV? Even television programmers see the genre as a kind of visual Hamburger Helper: cheap filler that saves them money they can use elsewhere for more-worthy programming. Reality shows cost anywhere from a quarter to half as much to produce as scripted shows. The money saved on Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, the logic goes, allows ABC to pay for additional gruesome medical emergencies and exploding ferries on Grey’s Anatomy,. NBC’s ............ Fear Factor pays for the classy Heroes.

As befits a form driven largely by speed and cost considerations, reality TV is not often formally daring. Fifteen years after MTV’s The Real World set the template for contemporary reality TV by placing seven strangers in a downtown Manhattan loft, reality television has developed its own visual shorthand: short doses of documentary footage interspersed with testimonials (often called OTFs, for “on-the-fly” interviews) in which the participants describe, ex post facto, what they were thinking during the action you are watching.

The current boom may be a product of the changing economics of the television business, but reality TV is also the liveliest genre on the set right now. It has engaged hot-button cultural issues—class, sex, race—that respectable television, including the august CBS Evening News, rarely touches. And it has addressed a visceral need for a different kind of television at a time when the Web has made more traditionally produced video seem as stagey as Molière.

Reality TV may be an awkward admixture of documentary (with its connotations of thousands of hours of footage patiently gathered, redacted by monk-like figures into the purest expression of truth possible in 90 to 120 minutes) and scripted (with its auteurs and Emmys and noble overtones of craft). But this kludge also happens to have allowed reality shows to skim the best elements of scripted TV and documentaries while eschewing the problems of each. Reality shows steal the story structure and pacing of scripted television, but leave behind the canned plots and characters. They have the visceral impact of documentary reportage without the self-importance and general lugubriousness. Where documentaries must construct their narratives from found matter, reality TV can place real people in artificial surroundings designed for maximum emotional impact.

Scripted television is supposedly showing new ambition these days, particularly in the hour-long drama form. Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip was going to bring the chatty intelligence of The West Wing back to prime time. Lost was going to challenge network audiences like never before, with complex plots, dozens of recurring characters, and movie-level production values. Shows are bigger now: On 24 this season, a nuclear bomb exploded. But network prime-time television remains dominated by variants on the police procedural (Law & Order, CSI, Criminal Minds), in which a stock group of characters (ethnically, sexually, and generationally diverse) grapples with endless versions of the same dilemma. The episodes have all the ritual predictability of Japanese Noh theater: Crimes are solved, lessons are learned, order is restored.

Reality shows have leaped into this imaginative void. Discovery’s Deadliest Catch, which began its third season in April, is an oddly transfixing series about … crab fishermen in the Bering Sea. As a straightforward documentary, Catch would have been worthy fodder, but the producers have made it riveting by formatting the whole season as a sporting event, with crab tallies for each of the half dozen or so boats and a race-against-the-clock urgency that, for all its contrivance, gives structure and meaning to the fishermen’s efforts.

Narrative vibrancy is not the only thing that electrifies these shows. Reality TV presents some of the most vital political debate in America, particularly about class and race. Fox’s Nanny 911 and ABC’s Supernanny each offer object lessons on the hazards of parenting in an age of instant gratification and endless digital diversion. ABC’s Extreme Makeover: Home Edition features intensely emotional tales of people who have fallen through the cracks of Bush-era America—often blue-collar families ravaged by disease, health-care costs, insurance loopholes, layoffs, and so forth. My channel’s The (White) Rapper Show turned into a running debate among the aspiring white MCs over cultural authenticity—whether it is more properly bestowed by class or race.

Class realities are plumbed to remarkable effect on The Real Housewives of Orange County, a “docu soap” that completed its second season on Bravo this spring. The show is inspired by a trio of suburban dramas: The O.C., Desperate Housewives, and the 1999 movie American Beauty. Lacking the visual panache, or the budgets, of its scripted forebears, Real Housewives nonetheless goes deeper, charting the spiritual decay of life in gated communities, where financial anxieties, fraying families, and fear of aging leave inhabitants grasping for meaning and happiness as they steer their Escalades across Southern California’s perfectly buffed, featureless landscape. Crash, the 2006 Oscar winner, trafficked in similar white California dread, but with all the nuance of a two-by-four to the face.

[Hoovie]

I highlighted the paragraph that makes reference to Hoover/Meeks

The Case for Reality TV

(page 2 of 2)

In Real Housewives, businessman Lou Knickerbocker stages a photo shoot to promote his new “highly oxygenated” water, variously called “Aqua Air” and “O.C. Energy Drink” (“We have patented technology that produces water from air”). The models are attractive-ish teen and 20-something girls: Lou’s daughter Lindsey, by ex-wife Tammy; a few other daughters of O.C. housewives; and a newcomer whom Lou apparently found waitressing at a local restaurant.

Lou and Tammy made piles of money—it’s not clear how—but their finances seem to have fractured along with their marriage. The photo shoot, therefore, is throwing off more than the normal amount of flop sweat. Lou apparently has personally selected the girls, which means he has declined to showcase his other daughter, Megan, because of her tattoos and lack of physical fitness. Lou believes the “Aqua Air Angels” should embody the Aqua Air ideal, which is why they can’t drink or smoke and must have grade-point averages higher than 3.5. “This is a photo shoot,” he barks after a fight breaks out between one of the girls and the waitress, “not a gang bang, for chrissakes.”

The detail is what puts the scene over: Lou’s lip-smacking focus on the girls, the girls’ bland acquiescence. “That’s it, baby, smile,” Lou urges his daughter. “Show those teeth,” says Tammy. A similar scenario on Desperate Housewives could never have been quite this preposterous, quite this blandly amoral. The characters would have been scripted with softening, redeeming qualities, or been rendered comically evil. Lou would’ve gotten his comeuppance, like Wallace Shawn’s money-siphoning literary agent in that series. Here, the apparent willingness of the young women and at least some of the parents to indulge Lou’s bottom-of-the-barrel scheming outlines, in a few short brushstrokes, a community’s shared value system.

Value systems are smashed into each other, like atoms in an accelerator, on ABC’s Wife Swap, where the producers find the most extreme pairings possible: lesbian mommies with bigots, godless cosmopolites with Bible thumpers. On one February show, a Pentacostal family, the Hoovers, was paired with the family of a former pastor, Tony Meeks, who has turned from God to follow his rock-and-roll dreams (mom Tish rocks out as well). “I feel by being there,” Kristin Hoover said, “I was able to remind Tony that God still loves him and is not finished with him.” The episode took seriously the Hoovers’ commitment to homeschooling and their rejection of contemporary culture (a rejection not taken to the extreme of declining an invitation to appear on reality TV). Compare this with the tokenism of “born-again Christian” Harriet Hayes on NBC’s dramedy Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Harriet’s but a cipher, a rhetorical backboard against which ex-boyfriend Matt Albie can thwack his heathen wisecracks.

The competitions and elimination shows are latter-day Milgram experiments that place real people in artificial situations to see what happens. The Apprentice is Darwinism set loose inside an entrepreneurial Habitrail. Post-9/11, Survivor became less a fantasy and more a metaphor for an imagined postapocalyptic future. What happens on these shows might be a Technicolor version of how we behave in real life, but so is most fiction. Creative endeavors—written, scripted, or produced—should be measured not by how literally they replicate actual life but by how effectively they render emotional truths. The best moments found on reality TV are unscriptable, or beyond the grasp of most scriptwriters. It’s no coincidence that 2006’s best scripted dramas—The Wire, HBO’s multi-season epic of inner-city Baltimore; and Children of Men, Alfonso Cuarón’s futuristic thriller—were studies in meticulously crafted “realness,” deploying naturalistic dialogue, decentered and chaotic action, stutter-step pacing, and a reporter’s eye for the telling detail. The Wire’s season and Cuarón’s movie both ended on semi-resolved novelistic notes, scorning the tendency in current television and cinema toward easy narrative closure. Watching them only threw into higher relief the inability of so much other scripted product to get beyond stock characterizations and pat narrative.

For all the snobbism in the doc community, reality TV has actually contributed to the recent boom in documentary filmmaking. The most successful docs of recent vintage have broken through in part by drawing heavily from reality television’s bag of tricks, dropping the form’s canonical insistence on pure observation. In Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore brings an Army recruiter with him to confront legislators and urge them to enlist their children in the Iraq War effort. In Bowling for Columbine, Moore takes children who were shot at Columbine to a Kmart, where they ask for a refund on the bullets that are still lodged in their bodies. Of course, Moore’s never been a doc purist. TV Nation, his short-lived 1994 television series, prefigured a long line of gonzo reality, from Joe Millionaire to Punk’d. Having the Serbian ambassador sing along to the Barney theme song (“I love you, you love me”) while statistics about the number of Bosnians killed during the breakup of Yugoslavia appeared on the screen was not only ur-reality; it was ur-Borat. And speaking of talking animals, March of the Penguins turned stunning footage of mating and migrating penguins into an utterly contrived Antarctic version of Love Story.

The resistance to reality TV ultimately comes down to snobbery, usually of the generational variety. People under 30, in my experience, tend to embrace this programming; they’re happy to be entertained, never mind the purity of conception. As an unapologetic producer of reality shows, I’m obviously biased, but I also know that any genre that provokes such howls of protest is doing something interesting. Try the crab.

[Hoovie]

I know some regulars on here said they wanted to see the show but were not able. I have a few DVDs I am willing to share at no charge.

Please send a PM with your address, and I will try try to send you one.


Steve Hoover

[CC1]

SH,

That was a good article. I still think you should have made Tish attend church with you and then have the entire church shockamoo, surround her, and drag her to the altar!!!

[Hoovie]

SH,

That was a good article. I still think you should have made Tish attend church with you and then have the entire church shockamoo, surround her, and drag her to the altar!!!

LOL! Believe it or not, Church was not out of the question... We discussed incorporating Tish in the choir. It just did not work out. We live a distance from church. The first Sunday was centered around arrival, and the second was preparation for flying out.

[CC1]

LOL! Believe it or not, Church was not out of the question... We discussed incorporating Tish in the choir. It just did not work out. We live a distance from church. The first Sunday was centered around arrival, and the second was preparation for flying out.

You would have had to flown in a real screamer like JWD to get the full effect.

You could have made the Borat incident look like amateur hour!!!1

[Hoovie]

You would have had to flown in a real screamer like JWD to get the full effect.

You could have made the Borat incident look like amateur hour!!!1

No Comment

[CC1]

No Comment\

Chicken!!!:largehalo

[crakjak]

I am posting this again for the benefit of some recent posters.

Since I know several posters here on AFF I promised to engage to answer any questions viewers of the show may still have.

I am sorry there are some strong opinions by the non-viewers of the show, but that is not really what this thread is about.

Daily we are getting feedback from viewers by e-mail, phone, letters, even flowers from the local community, and face to face personal contact with hundreds in our realm of influence. 99% of the feedback is positive, and we are sharing our faith.

Two people in our assembly have stated they were compelled to come back to church because they saw the show. Both had been absent in recent weeks.

Thanks to the show, today my wife had a personal bible study (and more to come) in our home.

Also, today I had a Highway Patrolman (whom I don't know) come up to me in a restaurant and thank me for being a witness and standing strong for my faith on the show.

Also, today I had personal discussions about God with four other people - two were strangers.

It is very important for Christians to be led of the Holy Spirit, it sounds like you were, and I commend your bravery. I have not seen "your" show, however I will given the opportunity. It is a foreign idea for many Christians to hear God and to go against the grain because they believe the Lord has given the opportunity and have equipped them to do something of this nature. May God bless and guide you in all He is doing in the lives of those around you.

[Hoovie]

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Chicken!!!:largehalo

How would I know anything about Borat's preaching style? Is he from the South somewhere?

[Hoovie]

It is very important for Christians to be led of the Holy Spirit, it sounds like you were, and I commend your bravery. I have not seen "your" show, however I will given the opportunity. It is a foreign idea for many Christians to hear God and to go against the grain because they believe the Lord has given the opportunity and have equipped them to do something of this nature. May God bless and guide you in all He is doing in the lives of those around you.

Thank you for the kind words.

[Elizabeth]

Stephen

The part of the show that I admired the most is when the visiting mom brought the keg of beer into your house for the video party-that you responded by getting your girls and heading out the door.

What in the world was the mom thinking???

Kudos for standing up and doing the right thing, made for good drama too :D

[Steve Epley]

Would you believe I still have not seen it and don't have a dvd so................................................ ................................I guess I will have to live the next 40 years without it I hope.:icecream

[Hoovie]

Stephen

The part of the show that I admired the most is when the visiting mom brought the keg of beer into your house for the video party-that you responded by getting your girls and heading out the door.

What in the world was the mom thinking???

Kudos for standing up and doing the right thing, made for good drama too :D

Right. I was sort of glad it was a keg, because it justified a radical response. Had she come in with a single beer in her hand it would have been tougher...

We continue to pray for Tony, Tish, Benji and Hanna. God is doing amazing things in their life! We talk to them regularly.

[Hoovie]

Would you believe I still have not seen it and don't have a dvd so................................................ ................................I guess I will have to live the next 40 years without it I hope.:icecream

And that's OK too. I think like you in some ways - more than I want to admit, and more than you want to claim!:nod

[Jodiah91]

I'd like to see how a legalist would fare on Jeff Foxworthy's new show with the fifth graders...

I only watched the first episode of it but there were a few questions I didn't know. I think I could probably embarress myself pretty well on that show.

ME TOO! I try to watch it when I can because I love all types of trivia/quizzing shows/games, (plus I like JF as well) and when I heard this was only up to 5th grade level questions, I thought. . .what a breeze. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!! There were questions on topics I couldn't even remember learning about, let alone remember the answers to now.

[Hoovie]

I have wanted to comment on something that I found most interesting.

As you know, if you saw the show, I did not let the girls wear pants even though this was a "rule change". Though I don't see this being wrong as in "sinful", it is a house rule at the Hoover home and is based on our interpretation of Christian modesty/femininity. It was not about to change in any experimental TV show. Having said that, I also knew there was a risk in appearing totally wierd to non Christians or less conservative Christians, and was a bit concerned about it.

Here is what I found so interesting... Since the show we have had a large number of people contact us and thank us for holding firm to our dress standard for the girls. Christians and non Christians in our community have said, "We were so proud of you for sticking to your guns on the girls' dress". Also, we have recieved many comments from strangers to this effect. A Pastors wife from another denomination contacted us specifically concerning this and expressed her desire to dress similarly.

There have also been those who stated our witness was minimized by this same resistance to the dress change. These have been posted on this forum and some in e-mails. As far as I can tell most (I cannot verify all) of these were from those who are EX conservative Pentecostals. At any rate, those who have stated this as a negative are outnumbered about 10 - 1 by those who saw it as a positive.

This of course does not really mean anything - but we did find it interesting and were a little surprised by the overwhelming support in this matter.

Here is what I think... If approached in a reasonable manner (not "yer goin to hell") most people are not so appalled by conservative dress standards.

Perhaps many EX ers are on a reactionary pendulum swing that does not reflect Jane Q Public's feelings about feminine dress and conservative standards.

Just a thought.

Your friend in Jesus, Steve Hoover

[Hoovie]

Posted by Kristin

Tonight, Pentecost Sunday, we were able to share
our testimony at an Assembly Of God church, and are thankful that God poured out his Spirit again!

Several came to us saying they had
not spoken in tongues for years, but the power of God
moved tonight and they were refilled.

Another lady received the baptism of the Spirit for
the first time tonight. Hallelujah!

We have also been amazed at the hunger for holiness
that people have expressed since the show.

I encourage you to be bold in the Spirit, the world
is looking for a strong witness in these last days.
God Bless!

--Kristin Hoover

[tamor]

Amen. Praise the Lord for good reports!

[SoCaliUPC]

First....spoke at an AOG church!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Calling your DS!!! For sure, hat is gonna get you kicked out of the UPC!! LOL!!!!

Seriously, what an awesome testimony you guys have....and what wonderful doors have been opened. WE joned in prayer with you while this was going on and when the program aired that God would use you as a witness. Thanks for the good report!

[Thad]

Hoover
They knew that your wife was "Jesus Only" yet they still had her speak ???
I would like some details on that.

I find it interesting that someone complimented you all on your girls having to wear dresses. we seem to only get negative feedback in our community such as "legalism" and controlling things of that nature

[Hoovie]

First....spoke at an AOG church!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Calling your DS!!! For sure, hat is gonna get you kicked out of the UPC!! LOL!!!!

Seriously, what an awesome testimony you guys have....and what wonderful doors have been opened. WE joned in prayer with you while this was going on and when the program aired that God would use you as a witness. Thanks for the good report!



Thanks for the prayers and keep it up please!




We have more invites to speak...



...this "Amish" chimney sweep and his "Punk Rock" wife.

[Hoovie]

Hoover
They knew that your wife was "Jesus Only" yet they still had her speak ???
I would like some details on that.

I find it interesting that someone complimented you all on your girls having to wear dresses. we seem to only get negative feedback in our community such as "legalism" and controlling things of that nature

Posted by Kristin

Yes, they know we are Oneness Pentecostal, if that is what you mean.

The other night I spoke at a ladies meeting (Praise Keepers) and found it interesting that this AOG church was singing "He's God in the Father, God in the Son, God in the Holy Ghost, and all these 3 are one!" Funny how we use the same scriptures and the same songs!

I've had several ladies say that they wept and cried when they saw our show because of our holiness standards. There is a call to holiness even in this generation and the hunger for such is evident.

Kristin Hoover

[Thad]

Posted by Kristin

Yes, they know we are Oneness Pentecostal, if that is what you mean.

The other night I spoke at a ladies meeting (Praise Keepers) and found it interesting that this AOG church was singing "He's God in the Father, God in the Son, God in the Holy Ghost, and all these 3 are one!" Funny how we use the same scriptures and the same songs!

I've had several ladies say that they wept and cried when they saw our show because of our holiness standards. There is a call to holiness even in this generation and the hunger for such is evident.

Kristin Hoover

Hi Kristan

I find this whole thing ver intriguing. It's hard for me comprehend the AOG having you. the reason why is, the AGs where I live hate us and as far as know we have not shown any anomosity towards them in many many years. the biggest hurdle seems to be the Trinity and the fact we don't sacribe to it which makes us "heritics" in their eyes.
since you say they was so taken by your standards of dress, have they asked you a lot of Questions as to WHY you adhere to the dress code?
they have never brought up the doctrine ?

[Hoovie]

I do not profess to be a theologian, but I have felt the urgency that God is wanting to pour His Spirit upon our generation. Whatever I can do in the kingdom to promote this, I am a willing servant.

I believe God placed us in the WifeSwap episode, fullfilling a word He spoke to me at the Azusa Street Celebration, to spread this message about the baptisim of the Spirit.

We're not abrasive with doctrinal differences, in order to tell others about this beautiful gift we have received.

After all, the Bible says the Holy Ghost will lead and guide into all truth (but they must receive it first!).

Kristin

[Truthseeker]

Brother Epley,
We have chosen as a family, not to have broadcast television pumped into our home. However, we believed this was an open door that God had created, and that he could even make 'the rocks cry out' if he wanted to. God is not limited to our own bounderies.
The fact that we had never even seen the show until after ABC approved us is exactly why we were chosen - we are conservative.
Thanks for the clarification, Kristin


do you watch videos/DVd?

[Hoovie]

do you watch videos/DVd?

Yes we do watch some.

We also realize there are valuable programs on TV, but do not see the value of having cable or satellite to get them when our family would disprove of most things on TV. This is a personal thing at the Hoover house, not something seen as test of membership at the church we attend. Certainly if one has television the remote should not be accessible to children.

[tv1a]

This better make it into someone's mass mailing about television advertising. I love the story. It's only the beginning..

Posted by Kristin

Tonight, Pentecost Sunday, we were able to share
our testimony at an Assembly Of God church, and are thankful that God poured out his Spirit again!

Several came to us saying they had
not spoken in tongues for years, but the power of God
moved tonight and they were refilled.

Another lady received the baptism of the Spirit for
the first time tonight. Hallelujah!

We have also been amazed at the hunger for holiness
that people have expressed since the show.

I encourage you to be bold in the Spirit, the world
is looking for a strong witness in these last days.
God Bless!

--Kristin Hoover

[Digging4Truth]

I do not profess to be a theologian, but I have felt the urgency that God is wanting to pour His Spirit upon our generation. Whatever I can do in the kingdom to promote this, I am a willing servant.

I believe God placed us in the WifeSwap episode, fullfilling a word He spoke to me at the Azusa Street Celebration, to spread this message about the baptisim of the Spirit.

We're not abrasive with doctrinal differences, in order to tell others about this beautiful gift we have received.

After all, the Bible says the Holy Ghost will lead and guide into all truth (but they must receive it first!).

Kristin

And there we have it... in a nutshell.

One time I came home from work and we had a couple over to visit. They had been over for a while and the wife of the couple (who went to church with us) had decided that they were going to show him the oneness.

They had argued with him for hours by the time I got home. They informed me that he was hard headed and that I needed to set him straight.

First... I told them... don't ever think you got this from personal knowledge... it was revelation from God...

Then I sat down with him. He started showing me where I was in error. I interjected a few things here and there but let him talk. He kept going from scripture to scripture and I would say things as I felt led.

After an hour or so he read a scripture.... looked a little confused... flipped a few pages.... read to himself... looking a little confused....then he got it.

He was baptized in Jesus name the next day.

They less often hate our doctrine... and more often hate how they perceive we will be toward them and their doctrine.

I find that those outside the oneness belief are receptive as long as they are not met with arrogance but are spoken to as if they actually have some capacity to think for themselves.

People know when you join a conversation and have no intention of ever listening to a word they say.

They know when every word they say is simply being sized up for another "straightening out" session.

And... they know when you are listening to them as intelligent people and when you hear their words as if you may actually learn something from them.

It can be boiled down to this...

They don't care what you know until they know that you care.

[Hoovie]

Trying to post a few pics from Sunday. It's obvious I don't know how.

[Hoovie]

And there we have it... in a nutshell.

One time I came home from work and we had a couple over to visit. They had been over for a while and the wife of the couple (who went to church with us) had decided that they were going to show him the oneness.

They had argued with him for hours by the time I got home. They informed me that he was hard headed and that I needed to set him straight.

First... I told them... don't ever think you got this from personal knowledge... it was revelation from God...

Then I sat down with him. He started showing me where I was in error. I interjected a few things here and there but let him talk. He kept going from scripture to scripture and I would say things as I felt led.

After an hour or so he read a scripture.... looked a little confused... flipped a few pages.... read to himself... looking a little confused....then he got it.

He was baptized in Jesus name the next day.

They less often hate our doctrine... and more often hate how they perceive we will be toward them and their doctrine.
I find that those outside the oneness belief are receptive as long as they are not met with arrogance but are spoken to as if they actually have some capacity to think for themselves.

People know when you join a conversation and have no intention of ever listening to a word they say.

They know when every word they say is simply being sized up for another "straightening out" session.

And... they know when you are listening to them as intelligent people and when you hear their words as if you may actually learn something from them.

It can be boiled down to this...

They don't care what you know until they know that you care.


D4T, Amen. You are right.

The fastest way to lose credibility is to offend.

[tamor]

Trying to post a few pics from Sunday. It's obvious I don't know how.


Cool. I thank God for the doors that opening for you guys to minister because of the show.

[Digging4Truth]

Trying to post a few pics from Sunday. It's obvious I don't know how.

Hey thanks for sharing the pics.

[Emma Bontrager]

Trying to post a few pics from Sunday. It's obvious I don't know how.

I am very releaved to see you are tie-less. Now, you just need to get into some broadfall pants!!

Does your wife make shoefly pie and half moon pies?

[Hoovie]

I am very releaved to see you are tie-less. Now, you just need to get into some broadfall pants!!

Does your wife make shoefly pie and half moon pies?


LOL!! You are nuts. I am impressed - you do know the culture.


Inside fact: Broadfall pants in the Old Order Mennonite Church is becoming a thing of the past though most still wear them on Sunday.

[Emma Bontrager]

LOL!! You are nuts. I am impressed - you do know the culture.

I am NOT nuts! I am HOLY. There is a definite difference my friend. Just how wide is YOUR hat brim????? You probably don't even WEAR one!!

[Hoovie]

I am NOT nuts! I am HOLY. There is a definite difference my friend. Just how wide is YOUR hat brim????? You probably don't even WEAR one!!

And I have news for you! THAT covering is non-typical and does not reflect our Amish way. I bet you wish you were English!


You should go home and speak to your husband.

[Emma Bontrager]

LOL!! You are nuts. I am impressed - you do know the culture.


Inside fact: Broadfall pants in the Old Order Mennonite Church is becoming a thing of the past though most still wear them on Sunday.

And why do they wear them on Sunday only?? It's just like women in America who only wear dresses to church on Sunday!! They KNOW it's right and godly, just like YOU and your OOM folks know that broadfall pants are RIGHT to wear which is why you wear them on Sunday!

[Emma Bontrager]

And I have news for you! THAT covering is non-typical and does not reflect our Amish way. I bet you wish you were English!


You should go home and speak to your husband.

Do you think that's actually a picture of ME??? You know better than that! My kapp has pleats!

[Emma Bontrager]

And strings!

[Emma Bontrager]

And covers my ears!!

But, it doesn't really matter to a bunch of English people who don't even cover.

[Hoovie]

And why do they wear them on Sunday only?? It's just like women in America who only wear dresses to church on Sunday!! They KNOW it's right and godly, just like YOU and your OOM folks know that broadfall pants are RIGHT to wear which is why you wear them on Sunday!

This really hurts....



leaves to send letter to Rebecca the seamstress...

[Hoovie]

Do you think that's actually a picture of ME??? You know better than that! My kapp has pleats!

This is so funny.

Please come see us sometime... I will take you to meet my family.

[Emma Bontrager]

This really hurts....



leaves to send letter to Rebecca the seamstress...

Well, you need to use Enos's Rebecca Miller. She's the best. I am glad you are coming to your senses. The least you could do is get your wife to wrap up her hair and put a doily on it.

[Emma Bontrager]

This is so funny.

Please come see us sometime... I will take you to meet my family.

I would LOVE to meet your family. :)

[Hoovie]

I would LOVE to meet your family. :)

Please dress modestly.

[Emma Bontrager]

Please dress modestly.

Of course! I will be much more modest than you are.

Were you baptized before you left? You should be in the Meidung!! Your liberal OOM family probably doesn't even practice the meidung! I know how you Mennonites are. First the meidung goes out the window, next you have electricity and phones! Us Amish are the true plain! We are just like a wunderbar moon pie to God.

I also can't believe you would accuse me of wanting to be English just because I used a fake picture of a liberal Amish in my avatar. Do you think these English know the difference? For all of their GED's and high school diploma's they don't know anything about being plain! Of couse, it would be YOU who wants to be English and we well know. Now, with your GED you probably think you are wunderbar smart!

[Emma Bontrager]

Of course! I will be much more modest than you are.

Were you baptized before you left? You should be in the Meidung!! Your liberal OOM family probably doesn't even practice the meidung! I know how you Mennonites are. First the meidung goes out the window, next you have electricity and phones! Us Amish are the true plain! We are just like a wunderbar moon pie to God.

I also can't believe you would accuse me of wanting to be English just because I used a fake picture of a liberal Amish in my avatar. Do you think these English know the difference? For all of their GED's and high school diploma's they don't know anything about being plain! Of couse, it would be YOU who wants to be English and we well know. Now, with your GED you probably think you are wunderbar smart!

BUMP for Mr. Hoover, who needs to be reminded where he came from!!

[Hoovie]

BUMP for Mr. Hoover, who needs to be reminded where he came from!!

I was not baptised before I left. While the OOM differ from the Amish in the shunning or "Meidung" it still makes a difference in how they relate to you leaving the church.


Phones yes. This was a luxery afforded my family, as well as electricity for major appliances (but not electronics).

Ich bin Deutsch net Englisch! Meine leute sind may heilig iz diene!

Are you sure this is a fake pic?:sshhh

[Hoovie]

Today I was at a home sweeping 3 chimneys and the Dish TV guy was there. We talked a bit then he said - you have been in our shop - I remember you from somewhere...

So I said, "you might have seen us on TV" and asked if he saw the show. He said That's IT! It is my wifes' favorite show and we saw you all on it. We talked a while and ended up discussing faith. This scenario happens several times a week on my job. I don't seek the attention but will use it to the glory of God.

When I came home from work my wife was finishing a couple bible studies from contacts of the show.

[Digging4Truth]

Today I was at a home sweeping 3 chimneys and the Dish TV guy was there. We talked a bit then he said - you have been in our shop - I remember you from somewhere...

So I said, "you might have seen us on TV" and asked if he saw the show. He said That's IT! It is my wifes' favorite show and we saw you all on it. We talked a while and ended up discussing faith. This scenario happens several times a week on my job. I don't seek the attention but will use it to the glory of God.

When I came home from work my wife was finishing a couple bible studies from contacts of the show.

Great to hear brother...

[ILG]

Today I was at a home sweeping 3 chimneys and the Dish TV guy was there. We talked a bit then he said - you have been in our shop - I remember you from somewhere...

So I said, "you might have seen us on TV" and asked if he saw the show. He said That's IT! It is my wifes' favorite show and we saw you all on it. We talked a while and ended up discussing faith. This scenario happens several times a week on my job. I don't seek the attention but will use it to the glory of God.

When I came home from work my wife was finishing a couple bible studies from contacts of the show.

It's really amazing the opportunities the show has opened up for you guys. It's quite an adventure!

[Emma Bontrager]

I was not baptised before I left. While the OOM differ from the Amish in the shunning or "Meidung" it still makes a difference in how they relate to you leaving the church.


Phones yes. This was a luxery afforded my family, as well as electricity for major appliances (but not electronics).

Ich bin Deutsch net Englisch! Meine leute sind may heilig iz diene!

Are you sure this is a fake pic?:sshhh

Yes, they relate differently, but not differently enough! :bubble They probably relate like the Apostolics relate to each other after they leave "the church". Don't call us, we'll call you! And then they never do! Anyway, you are fortunate for not having been baptized before you left, otherwise, I would probably practice the Meidung anyway!! But, since you weren't baptized, we can pal around. :highfive Heheh.

Yes, I know you liberals have phones and electricity. These English actually think you guys are Amish just because you drive a horse and buggy! Ha!

And, yes, you are English now, plain and simple. You have to watch it on that Pennsylvania Dutch. You know I wasn't raised this way and I guess at what you said! I can use a google translator on German but it doesn't work real well.

Why do you ask if this is a fake pic? Do you really think I would wear that hang-down thingy they think is a kapp? Also, that woman looks like she has on a T-Shirt and patterned cloth like a Mennonite! It was one of the only pictures I could find that I thought looked pretty good. Looks like I will have to change it! I didn't think these English would care or that anyone would ever notice! Gotta abstain from the appearance of evil even to someone who went fancy on us. :killinme As for my conservativeness, I am almost downright Swartzentruber. :D

[Ferd]

Stepen, there are some Minonites in Louisiana where I grew up. Men all have beards, ladies all wear home made dresses.

is this the OOM you speak of? do you know about some OOM communities in south west louisiana?

[Emma Bontrager]

There, now my picture is more appropriate! :)

[Emma Bontrager]

Stepen, there are some Minonites in Louisiana where I grew up. Men all have beards, ladies all wear home made dresses.

is this the OOM you speak of? do you know about some OOM communities in south west louisiana?

Most Mennonite men want to look like women on the face by shaving just like the Apostolics do!! LOL!!!

But I know this was directed at SH... :bubble so I'll step out.

[Hoovie]

Stepen, there are some Minonites in Louisiana where I grew up. Men all have beards, ladies all wear home made dresses.

is this the OOM you speak of? do you know about some OOM communities in south west louisiana?

I am not familiar with the LA group you reference. If they were in fact Mennonite, and not Amish, they likely drive cars but are still "plain people". There are a few Mennonites that wear beards - but most do not. Then there are some crossovers...

My people (the old Order Mennonites) were not allowed drivers license and number about 40,000 in the US. The Amish are 250,000 to 350,000 depending if unbaptised children are counted in the number. Both of us used horses and buggies as a primary mode of transport.

PS don't listen to Emma - she is a wanna be.

[Hoovie]

There, now my picture is more appropriate! :)

I thought the other one was a cute pic of yourself in plain "fellowship" garb.



:lol:lol

[Digging4Truth]

Hey Brother Stephen...

How do you feel concerning where you came from and where you are now.

I'm not sure what Amish/Mennonite theology is... but I am mainly speaking of lifestyle etc.

While making things a law is another animal all together I do see a lot of wisdom in some of the ways the Amish/Mennonites live their lives.

It does appear that you still hold to some of the core values of dress, living etc.

Do you ever wonder if you are moving too far to one side or the other?

Do you ever wish for simpler days that you have let escape you?

There are just honest questions and are not, in any way, meant to speak any ill of where you are in your life now... I am just curious how you, as someone who has experience a wider range of experiences in this area, see the church world around you, how you feel about your current direction in life etc.

Thanks

[Ferd]

I am not familiar with the LA group you reference. If they were in fact Mennonite, and not Amish, they likely drive cars but are still "plain people". There are a few Mennonites that wear beards - but most do not. Then there are some crossovers...

My people (the old Order Mennonites) were not allowed drivers license and number about 40,000 in the US. The Amish are 250,000 to 350,000 depending if unbaptised children are counted in the number. Both of us used horses and buggies as a primary mode of transport.

PS don't listen to Emma - she is a wanna be.

these are Minnonite but do drive cars so must not be "old order". salt of the earth people though.

they used to pulll the chrome off their cars if they couldnt get one without. but I think that has stopped. we fish at a catfish farm owned by some minnonite people.

[Emma Bontrager]

I am not familiar with the LA group you reference. If they were in fact Mennonite, and not Amish, they likely drive cars but are still "plain people". There are a few Mennonites that wear beards - but most do not. Then there are some crossovers...

My people (the old Order Mennonites) were not allowed drivers license and number about 40,000 in the US. The Amish are 250,000 to 350,000 depending if unbaptised children are counted in the number. Both of us used horses and buggies as a primary mode of transport.

PS don't listen to Emma - she is a wanna be.

Yeah, well, what I say about plain practices is most often correct. You will attest to that, right??!!:curtsey And there ARE Old Order Mennonites that drive cars. They are the Ohio-Indiana (Wisler) Mennonites, the Markham-Waterloo Mennonites and the Weaverland Mennonites also known as the Black Bumper Mennonites. There are about 6500 of these altogether so I'm sure they are less well known.

Anyway, you're more like a wanna-AIN'T!! :killinme

[Emma Bontrager]

I thought the other one was a cute pic of yourself in plain "fellowship" garb.



:lol:lol

No sir. Too liberal for me. :bubble

[CupCake]

No sir. Too liberal for me. :bubble

Emma Bontrager; ~ I see your up and running once again, you've must of hook your bike back up to the generator ....:laffatu

http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/images/bike_generator.jpg

[Emma Bontrager]

Emma Bontrager; ~ I see your up and running once again, you've must of hook your bike back up to the generator ....:laffatu

http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/images/bike_generator.jpg

Cupcake, you do not understand. I will NEVER have a computer in my home. I will ONLY use the neighbors. It is the same concept as those Apostolics who say they will never have a television because it's sin but will watch youtube. :D

[Hoovie]

Yeah, well, what I say about plain practices is most often correct. You will attest to that, right??!!:curtsey And there ARE Old Order Mennonites that drive cars. They are the Ohio-Indiana (Wisler) Mennonites, the Markham-Waterloo Mennonites and the Weaverland Mennonites also known as the Black Bumper Mennonites. There are about 6500 of these altogether so I'm sure they are less well known.

Anyway, you're more like a wanna-AIN'T!! :killinme

That's why I usually say I was Old Order Horse and Buggy Mennonite!

You sure are techincal for a Plain Person!

[Hoovie]

Hey Brother Stephen...

How do you feel concerning where you came from and where you are now.

I'm not sure what Amish/Mennonite theology is... but I am mainly speaking of lifestyle etc.

While making things a law is another animal all together I do see a lot of wisdom in some of the ways the Amish/Mennonites live their lives.

It does appear that you still hold to some of the core values of dress, living etc.

Do you ever wonder if you are moving too far to one side or the other?

Do you ever wish for simpler days that you have let escape you?

There are just honest questions and are not, in any way, meant to speak any ill of where you are in your life now... I am just curious how you, as someone who has experience a wider range of experiences in this area, see the church world around you, how you feel about your current direction in life etc.

Thanks

I have not been avoiding this post, just not sure if I up to answering all this on a public forum. I may address some of this a bit later.

[Emma Bontrager]

That's why I usually say I was Old Order Horse and Buggy Mennonite!

You sure are techincal for a Plain Person!

:D

[Digging4Truth]

I have not been avoiding this post, just not sure if I up to answering all this on a public forum. I may address some of this a bit later.

Not a problem at all.

There is no need to even answer the post if you are uncomfortable dealing with such issues that are so personal in a public forum. I completely understand and respect your privacy and wisdom.

[Hoovie]

Not a problem at all.

There is no need to even answer the post if you are uncomfortable dealing with such issues that are so personal in a public forum. I completely understand and respect your privacy and wisdom.

Thanks.

Concerning similarities... I wrote a small article published in the Pentecostal Hereld (I think Sept. of 2005) titled "Radical Reformers". I am not sure I still have it in electronic format, but I will share it sometime.

[Hoovie]

Today, 6/3/07 it has been 12 years since my father died.

He was working close to my home when he died. It was my duty to go and tell Mom and my eight siblings... I'll never forget the difficulty... how I thought I was keeping my composure and then would break down. How I tried to speak and no sound came out.

We are all getting together to remember him today... His children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren. There are about fifty of us now.

[Sarah]

Today, 6/3/07 it has been 12 years since my father died.

He was working close to my home when he died. It was my duty to go and tell Mom and my eight siblings... I'll never forget the difficulty... how I thought I was keeping my composure and then would break down. How I tried to speak and no sound came out.

We are all getting together to remember him today... His children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren. There are about fifty of us now.



This type of anniversary is extremely difficult. I'm always glad when they're over.

So sorry for your loss.........

[Digging4Truth]

Today, 6/3/07 it has been 12 years since my father died.

He was working close to my home when he died. It was my duty to go and tell Mom and my eight siblings... I'll never forget the difficulty... how I thought I was keeping my composure and then would break down. How I tried to speak and no sound came out.

We are all getting together to remember him today... His children, grandchildren, and greatgrandchildren. There are about fifty of us now.

I pray peace in the remembrances of the loss and rejoice with you in the remembrances of all that he was, and continues to be, to you and your family.

These are bittersweet times but I have hope that it will be more sweet than bitter as you celebrate who your father was in life and how he lives on in each of you.

[Hoovie]

Thanks for the kind words and the prayers.

Yes it is a sad day, but also a good day with lots of life... many children playing and speaking German. Out of respect for my wife and my brothers' wife, the conversations are now peppered with English when they are in earshot. :)

I draw much strength and spiritual stamina from my Old Order Mennonite family, and thank God I was raised as such, even though it was not my choice to continue the lifestyle.

[ILG]

Thanks for the kind words and the prayers.

Yes it is a sad day, but also a good day with lots of life... many children playing and speaking German. Out of respect for my wife and my brothers' wife, the conversations are now peppered with English when they are in earshot. :)

I draw much strength and spiritual stamina from my Old Order Mennonite family, and thank God I was raised as such, even though it was not my choice to continue the lifestyle.

Sorry for your loss, SH.

Seriously, I would think there must be some wistfulness. This is such a complicated world we live in with so many choices. The narrowing of choices would have it's own benefit in some ways, I would think. Even leaving the UPC has left me with that (a broadening of choices which is both good and bad at the same time). I would love to hear your take, if you ever wish to share.

[CupCake]

Cupcake, you do not understand. I will NEVER have a computer in my home. I will ONLY use the neighbors. It is the same concept as those Apostolics who say they will never have a television because it's sin but will watch youtube. :D

Lol~ The Amish here keep their phones outside in a separate building, never in the house ....:sshhh

[Emma Bontrager]

Lol~ The Amish here keep their phones outside in a separate building, never in the house ....:sshhh

Yes and that is fine and dandy, you know. Totally acceptable. ;)

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Steve.jpg


BOY! These are pics huge! I didn't know they were lifesized.

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/000_0299.jpg

My four treasures

[nwlife]

bro. Steve, Thanks for talking about the show on this thread....it has been a blessing scanning the pages..

[NLYP]

OK...so I am slow!!!!!!
I had no clue it was you guys!!!! LOL
I loved the show and was very proud to call you by "family" in Christ.
Thanks for breaking down barriers and stepping out where it is not popular.
Gods best to you......


Also,
Steve......6/13/1991 God called my Father home...his funeral was on Fathers Day...sad day....anyways...HE knows whats best...

Gods Best to you and the family..
Bro. Dan NLYP

[IAintMovin]

OK...so I am slow!!!!!!
I had no clue it was you guys!!!! LOL
I loved the show and was very proud to call you by "family" in Christ.
Thanks for breaking down barriers and stepping out where it is not popular.
Gods best to you......


Also,
Steve......6/13/1991 God called my Father home...his funeral was on Fathers Day...sad day....anyways...HE knows whats best...

Gods Best to you and the family..
Bro. Dan NLYP

Whats a BY family..........must be a TV thing..........

[Hoovie]

OK forum friends...

Kristin and I will be Blogging this Month at

http://www.ninetyandnine.com/month/index.html

If interested, please follow us and get a snapshot of our daily lives and musings.

Thanks!

[rgcraig]

OK forum friends...

Kristin and I will be Blogging this Month at

http://www.ninetyandnine.com/month/index.html

If interested, please follow us and get a snapshot of our daily lives and musings.

Thanks!

Are you going to blog that you post on AFF? LOL!

[Hoovie]

Are you going to blog that you post on AFF? LOL!

Uh... would that be a good thing or not??

I think I will not since I believe the audience to be broader on that site, and would hate to get visitors spammed with "Are you a Trinitarian" propaganda.

[tamor]

Uh... would that be a good thing or not??

I think I will not since I believe the audience to be broader on that site, and would hate to get visitors spammed with "Are you a Trinitarian" propaganda.

:lol Yeah, what a witness that would be!! :lol

[Hoovie]

:lol Yeah, what a witness that would be!! :lol

Nada!

[Hoovie]

ABC's Wife Swap Episode #314 MEEKS/HOOVER Set For Rerun!

Monday, July 23 at 7pm CST

For those who missed it the first time around but wanted to see it.

[Pragmatist]

ABC's Wife Swap Episode #314 MEEKS/HOOVER

Monday, July 23 at 7pm CST

Is that July 23?

[Hoovie]

Is that July 23?


YES. I changed it.

[tamor]

ABC's Wife Swap Episode #314 MEEKS/HOOVER Set For Rerun!

Monday, July 23 at 7pm CST

For those who missed it the first time around but wanted to see it.


Cool. Remind us again that day, please!!

[Hoovie]

Hi this is Kristin. I just wanted to share some more news...

This afternoon was Bible Study at the Hoover House. There were four ladies besides myself. We had an awesome prayer time and study. It started with just one lady shortly after our episode aired in February, and today there were four! I’ve also had another study on Mondays with a different viewer of the show. God is so amazing!

Today Steve and I received a request to speak to group one week after the rerun airs. This guy has great ideas of making the most of the rerun. His excitement is contagious!

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Tributeupclose.jpg



Tribute to the Meeks Family

Our experience with ABC’s Wife Swap was a good one. We thank God for the Meeks family and their continued friendship with the Hoover family.

While our parenting styles differ, we see much in the Meeks family that is honorable and noteworthy. Basically, the Meeks children Benji and Hannah, are well mannered, taught to treat others with respect, and do share quality moments with their parents.

From their fundraising efforts in “Susan G. Komen for the Cure” to their ability to pursue a dream, the Meeks family is indeed extraordinary. Tish’s generosity and genuine love for children, and Tony’s willingness to reconnect to God are tokens of the greatness in their hearts. They “Rock”!

Both Tony and Tish possess leadership qualities to impact their world in a positive way, and we expect many lives will be affected in their realm of influence.

The Hoover House will never quite be the same … with electric guitars and “Kristin’s Night Off”, “Everybody Loves Spring”!

Steve and Kristin Hoover



The above is an excerpt from the July Hoover Blog

[Digging4Truth]

All of these things are such great things to hear you guys.

I am glad to see that the Bible studies are growing and your tribute to the Meeks family was great.

One of the changes that has occurred within me over the last few years is one where I am able to communicate with people who are different (sometimes vastly) than myself with a respect for who they are as people and where they are in their journey.

I see so much of that in your words about the Meeks. We are where we are. Each of us. And sometimes all people want is someone to simply see them as a person and to simply see them as they are and where they are.

God works out the details from there.

As I have said so many times over the decades...

"They don't care what you know until they know that you care"

The Hoover family consistently demonstrates a high level of spiritual maturity and it does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.

God bless.

[Hoovie]

All of these things are such great things to hear you guys.

I am glad to see that the Bible studies are growing and your tribute to the Meeks family was great.

One of the changes that has occurred within me over the last few years is one where I am able to communicate with people who are different (sometimes vastly) than myself with a respect for who they are as people and where they are in their journey.

I see so much of that in your words about the Meeks. We are where we are. Each of us. And sometimes all people want is someone to simply see them as a person and to simply see them as they are and where they are.

God works out the details from there.

As I have said so many times over the decades...

"They don't care what you know until they know that you care"

The Hoover family consistently demonstrates a high level of spiritual maturity and it does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.

God bless.


Thanks! That is kind of you. I agree with the "changes" you mentioned and view things much like you.

We are expecting God to continue amazing us.

Also, if anyone is interested, we have just updated our thehooverhouse.net website in preparation of the re-Airing - including some more funny pics!

[BreakingFree]

I really enjoyed that episode of Wife Swap. I don't normally watch it, but I sure had to when I heard UPCers were on it! LOL. I have to say I was very impressed all around with the way the families interacted. Kristin really impacted me. I can't even explain it, but I was extremely impressed with her. I give you so much credit for doing this show. It's wonderful to hear the great things that have come from it! God bless.

[Hoovie]

(We just recieved this from the Meeks family... Yes, I got tears in my eyes.)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Hoovertribute2.jpg

Tribute to the Hoover Family

ABC’s Wife Swap was a lot of fun. People ask us all the time “would you do it again” our answer is always “absolutely”. The Hoover family has made a big impact on our family. We believe that God sent them into our lives.

We learned a lot of things while doing the show. In Texas, Tony and Kristin were sitting up late and drinking coffee, talking about rock music, singing praise and worship songs and studying the Bible. In Missouri Tish, and Steve where drinking coffee, talking about life and hoping that Tony and Kristin were getting along as well as they were. Tish really bonded with Emily, Grace and Alivia and talks to them by phone often.

Would the Hoover family be our friends if not for Wife Swap? Probably not, because people tend to stay close to those just like themselves. That is why this experience was so powerful. So many people judge on outward appearances and miss meeting some of the greatest people in the world. The Hoovers are great people. They are an excellent representation of what it means to be Christians and if more Christians were like them, God would be seen by non-believers in a positive light.

Although 3 Kisses is doing great and music will always be a big part of the Meeks family, there have definitely been some positive changes in our home. Since the swap we are attending a Bible study and Tish has been making home made pies.

Tony & Tish Meeks

[Elizabeth]

Steve I can see why you would have tears in your eyes, a picture is worth a 1000 words.

[RandyWayne]

This is really incredible.
There are those who preach and "correct", then there are those who love and show patience.
Guess which gets the results?

[ILG]

(We just recieved this from the Meeks family... Yes, I got tears in my eyes.)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Hoovertribute2.jpg

Tribute to the Hoover Family

ABC’s Wife Swap was a lot of fun. People ask us all the time “would you do it again” our answer is always “absolutely”. The Hoover family has made a big impact on our family. We believe that God sent them into our lives.

We learned a lot of things while doing the show. In Texas, Tony and Kristin were sitting up late and drinking coffee, talking about rock music, singing praise and worship songs and studying the Bible. In Missouri Tish, and Steve where drinking coffee, talking about life and hoping that Tony and Kristin were getting along as well as they were. Tish really bonded with Emily, Grace and Alivia and talks to them by phone often.

Would the Hoover family be our friends if not for Wife Swap? Probably not, because people tend to stay close to those just like themselves. That is why this experience was so powerful. So many people judge on outward appearances and miss meeting some of the greatest people in the world. The Hoovers are great people. They are an excellent representation of what it means to be Christians and if more Christians were like them, God would be seen by non-believers in a positive light.

Although 3 Kisses is doing great and music will always be a big part of the Meeks family, there have definitely been some positive changes in our home. Since the swap we are attending a Bible study and Tish has been making home made pies.

Tony & Tish Meeks

Awesome!!

[rgcraig]

That is so cool!

You never know what God has planned!

[Digging4Truth]

(We just recieved this from the Meeks family... Yes, I got tears in my eyes.)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Hoovertribute2.jpg

Tribute to the Hoover Family

ABC’s Wife Swap was a lot of fun. People ask us all the time “would you do it again” our answer is always “absolutely”. The Hoover family has made a big impact on our family. We believe that God sent them into our lives.

We learned a lot of things while doing the show. In Texas, Tony and Kristin were sitting up late and drinking coffee, talking about rock music, singing praise and worship songs and studying the Bible. In Missouri Tish, and Steve where drinking coffee, talking about life and hoping that Tony and Kristin were getting along as well as they were. Tish really bonded with Emily, Grace and Alivia and talks to them by phone often.

Would the Hoover family be our friends if not for Wife Swap? Probably not, because people tend to stay close to those just like themselves. That is why this experience was so powerful. So many people judge on outward appearances and miss meeting some of the greatest people in the world. The Hoovers are great people. They are an excellent representation of what it means to be Christians and if more Christians were like them, God would be seen by non-believers in a positive light.

Although 3 Kisses is doing great and music will always be a big part of the Meeks family, there have definitely been some positive changes in our home. Since the swap we are attending a Bible study and Tish has been making home made pies.

Tony & Tish Meeks

How utterly fantastic.

And the bolded portion... Wow... what a statement to see made about yourself. Humbling indeed.

Congratulations on this wonderful accolade. It is certainly all true.

Doesn't Tony Meeks just look like a preacher. :)

Kinda reminds me of NYLP a little bit. :)

[Sherri]

(We just recieved this from the Meeks family... Yes, I got tears in my eyes.)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Hoovertribute2.jpg

Tribute to the Hoover Family

ABC’s Wife Swap was a lot of fun. People ask us all the time “would you do it again” our answer is always “absolutely”. The Hoover family has made a big impact on our family. We believe that God sent them into our lives.

We learned a lot of things while doing the show. In Texas, Tony and Kristin were sitting up late and drinking coffee, talking about rock music, singing praise and worship songs and studying the Bible. In Missouri Tish, and Steve where drinking coffee, talking about life and hoping that Tony and Kristin were getting along as well as they were. Tish really bonded with Emily, Grace and Alivia and talks to them by phone often.

Would the Hoover family be our friends if not for Wife Swap? Probably not, because people tend to stay close to those just like themselves. That is why this experience was so powerful. So many people judge on outward appearances and miss meeting some of the greatest people in the world. The Hoovers are great people. They are an excellent representation of what it means to be Christians and if more Christians were like them, God would be seen by non-believers in a positive light.

Although 3 Kisses is doing great and music will always be a big part of the Meeks family, there have definitely been some positive changes in our home. Since the swap we are attending a Bible study and Tish has been making home made pies.

Tony & Tish Meeks

Stephen--Is this picture for real, or are they posing for your benefit??? Have they really made a total turnaround in their lives? I find this amazing!!!

[RandyWayne]

Stephen--Is this picture for real, or are they posing for your benefit??? Have they really made a total turnaround in their lives? I find this amazing!!!

I thought this same thing but then it came to me "so what?". They're not doing it in a mocking fashion (if the WERE posing) and are showing nothing but respect.

[Sheltiedad]

Still not saved... there are Yatzee dice on the table. :)

[RandyWayne]

And Dice start with "D" which rhymes with "P" which stands for POOL!

[Hoovie]

Stephen--Is this picture for real, or are they posing for your benefit??? Have they really made a total turnaround in their lives? I find this amazing!!!

I think it's both actually! The pictures, both in our tribute to them, and theirs to us, are meant to be somewhat "fun". I think the words are what you really need to read... they are very accurate and written whole-heartedly in both cases.

The Meeks call us regularly and we always talk about the Lord. Tony is always excited about his renewed faith in Jesus and the bible studies they are having (with a Spirit filled group I might add). That is very much for real. Please continue to pray for the Meeks and Hoover families, we both have been enthused by the work of the Holy Spirit through our experience on Wife Swap!

Oh and the pies! Tish had never baked pies before Wife Swap! She has now made them several times and is baking several for the viewing party on the 23rd. As a former old order Mennonite, this speaks volumes to me. LOL! They are definetly moving in the right direction!

[Hoovie]

Still not saved... there are Yatzee dice on the table. :)

Funny! Kristin is the one that introduced the dice during the show - that is why they are on the table - as a "tribute" to Kristin introducing wholesome family fun. At the Hoover house we always have many games going on. We were shocked when the directors told us all "Parker Bro." games were off limits for copywrite reasons. We were left with dice and checkers... so that is why the dice are in there..

[tamor]

This is amazing Stephen. I cried as I read it. It is awesome to see lives changed by your experience.

[Monkeyman]

I think this may be the best post ever, wow! Thanks!

[HeavenlyOne]

Steve, do you have plans for the 23rd also? Or did I miss that post?

BTW, I would have had no idea who that pic was of. They look so totally different, even the kids! They look great!

[Hoovie]

Steve, do you have plans for the 23rd also? Or did I miss that post?

BTW, I would have had no idea who that pic was of. They look so totally different, even the kids! They look great!

Nothing big going on at this end, my family may not watch it together since my wife will likely be with Emily at Nationals for Jr Bible quizzing and I won't be able to miss work and be with her. We have a vacation planned later in the week including New York, Canada and then we will be speaking at a church in IL. (the week after the show re-airs) .

The pic is great. I think it is saying Tish now has a new interest in cooking and baking, and the family prays and now attends bible study. It does not mean they always dress like this.... but that is OK too!

[Pressing-On]

(We just recieved this from the Meeks family... Yes, I got tears in my eyes.)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/Hoovertribute2.jpg

Tribute to the Hoover Family

ABC’s Wife Swap was a lot of fun. People ask us all the time “would you do it again” our answer is always “absolutely”. The Hoover family has made a big impact on our family. We believe that God sent them into our lives.

We learned a lot of things while doing the show. In Texas, Tony and Kristin were sitting up late and drinking coffee, talking about rock music, singing praise and worship songs and studying the Bible. In Missouri Tish, and Steve where drinking coffee, talking about life and hoping that Tony and Kristin were getting along as well as they were. Tish really bonded with Emily, Grace and Alivia and talks to them by phone often.

Would the Hoover family be our friends if not for Wife Swap? Probably not, because people tend to stay close to those just like themselves. That is why this experience was so powerful. So many people judge on outward appearances and miss meeting some of the greatest people in the world. The Hoovers are great people. They are an excellent representation of what it means to be Christians and if more Christians were like them, God would be seen by non-believers in a positive light.

Although 3 Kisses is doing great and music will always be a big part of the Meeks family, there have definitely been some positive changes in our home. Since the swap we are attending a Bible study and Tish has been making home made pies.

Tony & Tish Meeks

Lord! This is awesome, Brother!!!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Nothing big going on at this end, my family may not watch it together since my wife will likely be with Emily at Nationals for Jr Bible quizzing and I won't be able to miss work and be with her. We have a vacation planned later in the week including New York, Canada and then we will be speaking at a church in IL. (the week after the show re-airs) .

The pic is great. I think it is saying Tish now has a new interest in cooking and baking, and the family prays and now attends bible study. It does not mean they always dress like this.... but that is OK too!

What church in IL? PM me if you like.

[Hoovie]

What church in IL? PM me if you like.

PM incoming... it will be announced here in a few days.

[Hoovie]

Interesting blog entry today from my wife Kristin.

[Digging4Truth]

Interesting blog entry today from my wife Kristin.

Indeed it is...

Thanks for letting us know.

[ILG]

Interesting blog entry today from my wife Kristin.

Kristin's blog was very moving. It seems over and over that what I hear about people seeing the show is Kristin's sincerity. Her desire comes through the program in a way that people can see. I really appreciate not only that, but the willingness of both of you to step out in an area where you have undoubtedly recieved criticism and questioning but did what you felt God wanted you to do anyway. And I sincerenly believe that if you had said "No!", Stephen, that Kristin would have put it aside. Thank you for letting her follow what she strongly has felt to be God's will. ;)

[CC1]

Kristin was great but wasn't that Pentecostal husband a real drag? I mean he was so domineering and demanding. I was sure glad he loosened up a little at the end for the music video.

It must be that Mennonite / Pentecostal combination.















LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Hoovie]

CC1, should'nt you be riding your bike? It's a nice day out there!

[CC1]

CC1, should'nt you be riding your bike? It's a nice day out there!

Funny you mention that. I was thinking the same thing and then just heard thunder. We have been having a lot of scattered thunderstorms although the weather looked great most of today.

Tomorrow and Friday nights are the church Music Conference concerts so it looks like maybe no riding until Saturday!!!

[Hoovie]

Kristin's blog was very moving. It seems over and over that what I hear about people seeing the show is Kristin's sincerity. Her desire comes through the program in a way that people can see. I really appreciate not only that, but the willingness of both of you to step out in an area where you have undoubtedly recieved criticism and questioning but did what you felt God wanted you to do anyway. And I sincerenly believe that if you had said "No!", Stephen, that Kristin would have put it aside. Thank you for letting her follow what she strongly has felt to be God's will. ;)

This is true. I was totally on board with it or she would not have persued it at all.

It is fair to say my faith is much more cautious than Kristin's. Even after becoming convinced that God was in it, I was very wary of what was coming next in the day to day progression. I had seen enough of the show to know the game plan...

[ILG]

This is true. I was totally on board with it or she would not have persued it at all.

It is fair to say my faith is much more cautious than Kristin's. Even after becoming convinced that God was in it, I was very wary of what was coming next in the day to day progression. I had seen enough of the show to know the game plan...

I would have been cautious too. You wouldn't want them to make you look like idiots! LOL! You never know. But, it turned out great.

[Hoovie]

Today is the re-airdate for Hoover/Meeks Wife Swap! Please check out this new article.


From the Dust of the Ground: An Untold Tale from Wife Swap

By Steve and Kristin Hoover

http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archives/20070723/cover.htm

[Trouvere]

Great witness Stephen.I love the pies.The husband holding the bible looks
so happy.They have joy now.Awesome!

[Hoovie]

The Hoover/Meeks Wife Swap re-run is on now.

[rgcraig]

The Hoover/Meeks Wife Swap re-run is on now.

Watching!

[Ferd]

I just want to know if everybody still loves spring?

[freeatlast]

jus saw some of it for second time. I just can't watch that show, even if steves on it ;-)

[rgcraig]

Ah, she loves you......that's so sweet!

[Hoovie]

I just want to know if everybody still loves spring?

:highfive:thumbsup

[StillStanding]

Very nice! :thumbsup

[Hoovie]

:heartAh, she loves you......that's so sweet!

[Hoovie]

Today is the re-airdate for Hoover/Meeks Wife Swap! Please check out this new article.


From the Dust of the Ground: An Untold Tale from Wife Swap

By Steve and Kristin Hoover

http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archives/20070723/cover.htm

Bump!

[tamor]

My daughter and I watched. My hubby was watching CSI in the other room. I had him flip it to ABC so I could show him one of my internet friends!!

[Hoovie]

My daughter and I watched. My hubby was watching CSI in the other room. I had him flip it to ABC so I could show him one of my internet friends!!

Cool.

Today my wife called me at work and said some people from TX found our house and asked if she and the girls would step outside for a picture.

[HeavenlyOne]

So, Steve, you still helping Kristin around the house?

Have you moved the cradle back in your bedroom?

Still rockin on?

My mom didn't see it the first time, as we watched it together. She is conservative too and was amazed that Kristin sang in the bar.....LOL!

I shared with her the updates and pics and she is impressed. God can take anything and make good of it.

It was a pleasure watching the show and knowing you all. I've spoken with Tish on one occasion on another forum and she is terrific and had nothing but good to say about you all and the entire experience.

[Hoovie]

So, Steve, you still helping Kristin around the house?

Have you moved the cradle back in your bedroom?

Still rockin on?

My mom didn't see it the first time, as we watched it together. She is conservative too and was amazed that Kristin sang in the bar.....LOL!

I shared with her the updates and pics and she is impressed. God can take anything and make good of it.

It was a pleasure watching the show and knowing you all. I've spoken with Tish on one occasion on another forum and she is terrific and had nothing but good to say about you all and the entire experience.

Helping around the house... I can say yes - including "Kristins Night Off." I do help much less around the house than I did when we were both employed with outside jobs. For example, I love to cook. But "I don't cook" because I don't have the time available. the bolded part didn't make the cut of course. :)

My wife wanted the cradle back in the nursery - her choice!

The bar scene... I had no qualms and was a little surprised Kristin did. She was concerned about what others (like your mom) would think. We regularly go to joints like Applebees or a live Jazz club/restraunt, so what is the difference?

One of my rule chages was to go to a bar with Tish. No problem... I drank about about 19 cups of coffee and had fun visiting with people. - they did not cover it because I complied without resisting it.

Tish and Tony are great people. We plan on getting together for a visit.

[Hoovie]

About the "division of labor" at our home..... these are Kristins by design.

I offered to bake bread a few times a week and show this as a part of the follow-up chages. Kristin's response was, "This house does not need two bakers!"

The truth is, I run a very demanding business, keep up the property (a 100 year old home requires alot of TLC) and own rental properties. At one time I had 15 tenants.

Kristin and I seldom disagree on our "division of labor" as she calls it. Because we live very agressive and scheduled lives, we have been able to travel internationally on many occaisions, even after Kristin became a stay-at-home-mom.

But yes, I am helping more around the house since Wife Swap!

[HeavenlyOne]

Steve, honesty time.....did you ever put on the 'empathy suit'? LOL!

[Hoovie]

Steve, honesty time.....did you ever put on the 'empathy suit'? LOL!

LOL!! I will never tell!

No. I offered to wear a 100 lb. bag of dog food in lieu of the the suit, the directors rejected the offer.

[HeavenlyOne]

LOL!! I will never tell!

No. I offered to wear a 100 lb. bag of dog food in lieu of the the suit, the directors rejected the offer.

I would have paid to see either one happen!

I loved how you left your guests at your house for Tish to tend to when she brought the keg in.....LOL!

I know that was for the show too.

[Hoovie]

I would have paid to see either one happen!

I loved how you left your guests at your house for Tish to tend to when she brought the keg in.....LOL!

I know that was for the show too.

Funny. Another "rule change" they did not show... If I boke any rule, my punishment would be to dress in a "traditional womens" clothing and go shopping at a local market. When I responded to rule changes as you saw, I was responding to that. I told them immediately I would simply not do that, nor would I do the "empathy suit" since they seemed to be going for some sort of crossdressing theme.