House of Representatives in Uproar!

[chaotic_resolve]

If you have the ability to turn on C-SPAN . . . turn it on now!

The voting computers aren't working and the House is in an uproar! Republicans are about to storm out I think, because they want the House Rules followed, but the Democrats want to vacate the vote and have the machines fixed . . . which isn't according to the House Rules!

It's great fun to watch . . . whether via online webcast or television.

[chaotic_resolve]

And of course, right after I finally post the thread, the Republican Minority Leader concedes and the House vacated the vote and is now in recess.

But it was fun there for a while . . .

Apparently there's also a dispute on the results of a vote from last night. Some Republican came to the floor this morning earlier and stated that he was "ashamed" of what happened in the House last night. There's a discrepancy between the vote the clerk had and the vote the computers had. Not sure which side of the isle lost . . . but the Republicans have been pretty angry and argumentative this morning.

[Pressing-On]

LOL! I would have loved that! Don't see how the House of Parliament gets anything done with all of their yelling.

[chaotic_resolve]

I found out what happened last night . . .

According to some statements by Republicans in an interview during this recess:

Last night a vote was taken for medicaid, health and other services. The bill would have allowed illegal aliens to receive medicaid, free healthcare, housing help and other services.

The Republicans and a few Democrats voted against it. When the gavel fell and voting was closed, the Republicans and few Democrats had kept these services from illegal aliens by a 215-213 vote.

However, for some reason, the Democratic Majority Leader, Hoyer, REOPENED the vote in order for a few more votes, which resulted in the Republicans losing the vote.

The Republicans walked out in protest.

The point of contention is that the gavel fell and the voting was closed . . . and then reopened by the Democrats.

A reporter questioned the Republicans on the difference between what happened last night and what happened a few years ago when the Republicans held voting open for over 2 hours.

The difference noted was that the Republicans held the vote open and did not close the vote, nor did the gavel fall - only to reopen the vote. Once the voting was closed, the results stood.

Last night, the voting was closed, the gavel fell, the results were given and somehow the Democrats reopened the vote in order to make sure they won the vote.

I don't know how that's possible. I'm with the Republicans on this, though they seem more upset about the measure passing than about the vote being closed and then reopened.

Doesn't seem right to me. Once a vote's closed, it's closed. How can it be reopened?

[Ferd]

LOVE the house of representatives.


Last week Jessie Jackson Jr. offered an opportunity to "step outside" to one of his esteemed Republican colleagues.

Once in the 1850's or so, one member beat another member half to death with a cane. The beaten man was an invalid there after.

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For their side, Nancy Pelosi said the whole thing is a "misunderstanding" and the voting results were announced prematurely . . . and then didn't really have any more questions from reporters on it.

The House is back in session . . .

[Ferd]

For their side, Nancy Pelosi said the whole thing is a "misunderstanding" and the voting results were announced prematurely . . . and then didn't really have any more questions from reporters on it.

The House is back in session . . .

you didnt really think the reporters were going to hold her feet to the fire did you?

[chaotic_resolve]

you didnt really think the reporters were going to hold her feet to the fire did you?
Nah . . . they were quick to let it go away. She and Harry Reid went into a list of great things the Democrats were doing and pretty much the Republicans are just upset that the Dems are doing so much good stuff.

I don't agree with her or Harry . . . plus they sure waited a while before trying to get something done. I heard something on C-SPAN earlier about a possible Saturday session for the House.

[pelathais]

. . . Last night, the voting was closed, the gavel fell, the results were given and somehow the Democrats reopened the vote in order to make sure they won the vote.

I don't know how that's possible. I'm with the Republicans on this, though they seem more upset about the measure passing than about the vote being closed and then reopened.

Doesn't seem right to me. Once a vote's closed, it's closed. How can it be reopened?

Remember Florida and Saint Louis County, MO in 2000? The Dems wanted to extend voting hours so they could "catch up." In Saint Louis they came before a judge with the voting record of a Democratic voter who had not voted yet. "We need more time, for people like this..." they complained. It turned out that their voter had actually died several years before. Undeterred, they came back to the same judge with a live man in tow - only problem was that he had already voted once in another county.

Or Ohio, Milwaukee, WI, King County, WA and East Saint Louis, IL, in 2004.

In the case of King County, WA (Seattle area) a recount showed that the Democratic candidate for governor had won by fraud. She was still sworn in and is serving today.

What gets me is that ALL of WashingtonState’s electoral votes were also given to the Democratic presidential candidate, John F. Kerry. After throwing out the fraudulent ballots from Seattle we find the Republican was really the winner: what about the presidential votes cast on those same ballots? Didn't Bush really win WashingtonState?

In Milwaukee, the Democratic controlled city government demanded 100,000 extra blank ballots for the 2004 election (just in case, they said). They got the ballots and returned almost 90,000 as unused after the election. What was the difference in the state-wide vote?

John Kerry was awarded ALL of Wisconsin's electoral votes because after a "late recount" in Milwaukee he won the entire state by just 10,000 votes. The same 10,000 blank ballots that Milwaukee demanded and failed to return?

The Democratic Party wins elections through fraud and deceit. Most of you are probably too young to remember JFK flying down to Florida in 1960 to beg Richard Nixon not to sue in court over the election fraud in Texas in Illinois that gave JFK the edge.

It was that Democratic Party fraud and the ease that they get away with things that was the real cause of Watergate in 1972. A few a Nixon's men had grown so cynical that they basically began to act like Democrats with their dirty tricks and all. The only problem there, of course, is that you have to be a Democratic Party operative to get away with that stuff.

So Watergate in 1972 is remembered as a "scandal." Richard Daley's Illinois and LBJ's Texas of 1960 is just remembered as a "close election."

Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's The Gangs of New York? (FWIW, I saw the edited "family friendly" version). In that film the "heroes" are grabbing Irish immigrants, most of whom were probably not eligible to vote and sending them through the polls over and over again. The Cameron Diaz character makes a statement concerning a group that had just voted, "Get them shaves and bring them back to vote again...!"

It's this kind of paperless and confused setting that the Democratic Party thrives on. In that film, it was the Democratic Party machine and its infamous Tammany Hall that was featured.

Remember the scene in the Godfather 2 where mobster Hyman Roth is talking about the good old days with Michael Coreleone? Roth says he ran Molasses out of Cuba using Michael's father's trucks to make bootleg liquor during prohibition. In reality, the Jewish mobster used the Irish (not Italian) mobster's trucks to move the booze.

Who was that Irish mobster? Joseph Kennedy Sr. (father of JFK). And those trucks and trucking companies he set up? That was turned into the Teamsters Union of today.

Our popular culture is filled with examples of Democratic Party corruption; but most people look at the "mob hits" and the other crime and graft in a very romanticized way. But just let a Republican find some loop hole in the rules for fund raising and the media cries "scandal!"

Can anyone say, "hypocrisy?"

[Truly Blessed]

LOL! I would have loved that! Don't see how the House of Parliament gets anything done with all of their yelling.What is the House of Parliament?

[Pressing-On]

What is the House of Parliament?

The essential part of the UK's politics taking place in the House of Commons and the House of Lords. I'm sure you knew that.

[Pressing-On]

I like this article by Tom DeLay


House Democrats Fail Democracy 101
By Tom DeLay
Friday, August 3, 2007

Last night on the House floor – that sprawling, brawling arena that was like a second home to me during my 22 year career in Congress – it seems pretty clear that a crime was perpetrated against the rule of law and the American people. A combination of arrogance and incompetence on the part of the Democrat leadership left the Rules looking like a prisoner at Abu Ghraib. Not bad for a Thursday night.

Here’s how it went down. The House of Representatives, like all democratic legislatures, provides for what is called a “Motion to Recommit.” It’s one of the many minority rights built into the structure of the legislative process. Basically, a properly led majority party in the House – unlike in the Senate – can pass pretty much any bill it wants to. It can swat down minority amendments, or even disallow their introduction in the first place. In order to give minority members a semblance of dignity in such circumstances, they are usually permitted one more vote, before a major bill’s final passage, to send the bill back to committee. A good example of this would be a budget bill: Republicans don’t want to just vote against the Democrat budget, so they propose their own in the form of the motion to recommit, so at least they can have something they’re for. Now, because majority parties are in control of things and presumably have competent leadership, these procedural votes are typically formalities.

Until this year. In the seven months since the Democrats took control of Congress and, as now appears evident, elected the most incompetent speaker in American history, Republicans have passed one motion to recommit after another. They have cleverly written their motions so as to make it difficult for Democrats to cavalierly vote against them. Such was the case last night. Before the vote on the Agriculture spending bill for the next fiscal year, Republicans offered a nifty little motion to recommit so that illegal immigrants would not receive taxpayer funded government welfare. (My compliments to whoever thought that one up.)

Well, because a few of the Democrats can’t afford to have an ad in their next campaign saying he wanted to give illegal immigrants federal funds, Nancy Pelosi’s duct-taped majority sprung another leak. The motion to recommit, whose passage would scuttle the Democrats’ bill offering taxpayer benefits to illegal immigrants, was on the verge of passage, with 215 votes in favor and 213 votes opposed. Yet another ring was about to run around Pelosi and her bumbling leadership team.

Then it happened.

The presiding officer, the guy in the big chair with the gavel, was Democrat Congressman Michael McNulty, who would apparently make a compelling contestant on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?, gaveled the vote closed – repeat, closed – when it was 215 to 213. Republicans win. Except when McNulty got the tally from the Clerk and realized what happened, he and the Democrat leader conspired to “correct” their mistake, after the gavel had fallen.

Angry Republicans started asking questions, primarily one beginning with the words, “what” and “the”. Republican Leader John Boehner stood up and asked the same question, politely, and all McNulty said was that the “voting machine is down.” (The House’s electronic voting machine doesn’t just “go down”, incidentally: it was more likely turned off to hide the evidence of the crime.) A few minutes of strange rustlings over on the Democrat side of the dais ensued until finally Rep. McNulty spoke up again and said, “The Chair prematurely called the vote at 214-214 [a lie], while there were votes being entered . After all the cards [whose?] were added, the final [illegal] vote was 212 to 216, nay. Sorry suckers, it’s Schlitz O’Clock!” (Okay, I added the last part.)

Except here’s the thing. The vote was closed. Not open. Not ajar. Closed. The rules don’t allow for McNulty’s personal problem with premature e-gavel-ation. He screwed up and cost the Democrats the vote. But in Nancy Pelosi’s America, votes only count when Democrats win: so she cheated, and bent a once-proud and honorable political party into an instrument of despotism. Jaw-dropping as it may sound, it’s not an exaggeration to say that for a few minutes last night, the United States was not a representative democracy.

Democrats came out to the floor this morning, admitted they made an honest mistake, and suggested we let bygones be bygones. That’s all well and good, except for this: when a motion to recommit passes, no other votes are taken! The Agriculture bill is sent back to the House committee, not to the Senate for further action. And on top of that, the Democrats even tried to expunge the record. They’re hoping the American people don’t notice. In short, they think you’re even less on the ball than Congressman McNulty.

(And for those of you who are trying so desperately to compare it to the Medicare vote that was held open for three hours, I give you this. The House requires a minimum of 15 minutes for a vote; however, the vote can stay open as long as needed, until the strike of the gavel when the vote is properly tallied. That early morning in 2003, we won, fair and square. Democrats had every right to find it annoying – I would have in their shoes –, but what we did was no way illegal or unruly. What’s amazing is that after we took the Democrats to school for 12 years, they’d still rather cheat than learn.)

[I]Tom DeLay is the former House Majority Leader, the second ranking leader in the United States House of Representatives, and co-author of No Retreat, No Surrender: One American's Fight.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/TomDeLay/2007/08/03/house_democrats_fail_democracy_101

[Brother Strange]

Wow!

I wish that the rest of America could recognize what an illegal gang of thugs these democrats have become. They are destroying our America for whom many of us have suffered to preserve, protect and perpetuate.

Can you imagine giving twelve million or more illegals welfare and access to the public feeded trough? When you do that, then here comes all of their families swarming in to help them feed too.

In no time at all, you have too many feeding and too few contributing to the feeding trough. Then, what do you suppose happens?