This Is Upci ?

[Bishop1]

THIS IS UPCI

IN SALISBURY NORTH CAROLINA ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNN5Zstr2Kw


What About Thw UPCI BIBLE ?

UPCI MANUAL 1994 edition
Pages 23/24
Articles Of Faith
Holiness Paragraph

We wholeheartey disaprove of our people
indulging n any activities
which are not condusive to
Good Christianity And Godly Living,

SUCH AS

THEATERS

DANCES

MIXED BATHING

WOMEN CUTTING THEIR HAIR

MAKE UP

ANY APPEAREL THAT IMMODESTLY
EXPOSES THE BODY

ALL WORLDLY SPORTS

AND AMUSEMENT

AND UNWHOLESOME
RADIO PROGRAMS

AND MUSIC.

And futhermore
because of the display
of all these evils on TELEVISION,
We Disaprove
Of Any Of Our People
Having TELEVISION SETS
IN THEIR HOMES




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNN5Zstr2Kw

[Bishop1]

And futhermore
because of the display
of all these evils
on TELEVISION,

We Disaprove
Of Any Of Our People
Having TELEVISION SETS
IN THEIR HOMES

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/supersunday.jpg


BUT Just Mabee

Their Trusty Ole Manual

Don't Say Nuttin

Bout Having Big Screen TV's

In The CHURCH THO!



:nah

Bishop1

[Bishop1]

All Of My Life

I Have Always Thought That

" APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL PREACHERS "

PREACHED AGAINST

GOING TO THE THEATERS !



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NOWADAYS
I GUESS IT'S O K
IF WE TAKE EVERYBODY WITH US !

[Sam]

Maybe they call it a monitor instead of a tv.

[SDG]

It's definitely a UPCI church ... it's listed in their directory ... I'm flabbergasted to see a church in NC doing this stuff.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'm on dialup so I can't see this.
I also can't see the Earl Scruggs banjo picking clips on you tube either.

[NLYP]

LOL This is great!

[seguidordejesus]

wow

[tv1a]

For those of us w/dialup and choose not to usher in the anti-christ with highspeed internet (tic), please describe frame by frame what is so fascintating about the clip.

[Praxeas]

Get a life people.

[seguidordejesus]

I just bought an old DVD at the Goodwill store a couple of weeks ago with Vicki Winans doing this stuff....I think I actually skipped through that one LOL

[tv1a]

$11/month for dialup is a lot less expensive than highspeed internet. Economics 101....

[Praxeas]

$11/month for dialup is a lot less expensive than highspeed internet. Economics 101....
Dialup max 56 kilobytes per second at 11/month
DSL max 758 kilobytes per second at 14.99/month
11/56 = about .19 a kilo byte
15/758 = about .019 per kilobyte

[stmatthew]

As a preacher, Godair said he wouldn't normally champion a Hollywood movie, but he saw "Pride" recently and called it "a very inspirational movie."

Interesting that he "saw" the movie himself.

[seguidordejesus]

Any relation to Johnny Godair?

[chaotic_resolve]

Get a life people.
Exactly.

1) I don't believe the church itself is on television - nothing on their website promoting a broadcast. I believe it's like Acts29tv. Just because it says tv in the title doesn't mean it's actually on television - though I'd bet they would be on if they could be.

2) While I wouldn't use the sanctuary to broadcast a game or movie, I love the idea and the outreach methods they use. Since I don't know the facilities, it seems like other pics show them using the sanctuary as both worship center and fellowship center . . . so it could be all they have to use. Again, I love the idea of broadcasting the Super Bowl at the church and bringing families together there instead of at a sports bar.

3) "Pride" was a good movie with a positive message. I think it's great to use current, relevant media as ice breakers, discussion starters, or as a way of promoting a message.

I'd definitely back what they're doing at this church. But of course, I'm a moderate, so that's no surprise.

:thumbsup The UPCI should be proud to have this church in its ranks.

[Rhoni]

What does the Bible tells us about hose who would add to or take away from the Word of God? I rest my case.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Barb]

Get a life people.

Dialup max 56 kilobytes per second at 11/month
DSL max 758 kilobytes per second at 14.99/month
11/56 = about .19 a kilo byte
15/758 = about .019 per kilobyte

Prax, I would LOVE to have highspeed, but in this area, the only carrier is Comcast. The rate now is way over the top and they are forever raising it...I just can't do it now.

As it stands, I get AOL on my daddy's GM discount and I can deal with the price...

I know I am missing SO much, but some of us have no choice. :angelsad

[Brother Strange]

Well, ya havta admit...those good UPCI sistas knew how to shake it...shake it all and actually "git down." At least they all looked and dressed holiness.

Hey how about the caucasian sister on the keyboard? She could juke with the best of 'em too.

[MissBrattified]

*sigh*

Funny...when I saw the video I thought this was going to be an anti-DANCING thread...LOL!!!!!

[CC1]

I just watched the first couple of minutes of the youtube clip then tried to go to the church website but it is not working for me. Has anybody else tried going to it?

[SDG]

I just watched the first couple of minutes of the youtube clip then tried to go to the church website but it is not working for me. Has anybody else tried going to it?

There domain index page is pointing to a page that only loads a background ...

But I googled their site and found this:
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/swf/intro.swf

It should take you to their other pages.

[SDG]

On Super Bowl Sunday they all went to church in jerseys ... and later that evening saw the game on 2 big plasma tvs ...

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/supersunday.jpg

[SDG]

http://respiracreative.com/supersunday.jpg

[SDG]

They also went to the movie theatre: *GASP*

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Church buys out showing of 'Pride' for youth who want to go
Publication Salisbury Post
Date March 30, 2007 Section(s) Area Page

Brief By Scott JenkinsSalisbury Post

A local church hopes that a movie showing now can inspire the community's youth to take pride in themselves and their futures.

Cornerstone Church on Webb Road has bought out the 5:25 p.m. Sunday showing of "Pride" at the Ci


By Scott Jenkins
Salisbury Post
A local church hopes that a movie showing now can inspire the community's youth to take pride in themselves and their futures.


Cornerstone Church on Webb Road has bought out the 5:25 p.m. Sunday showing of "Pride" at the Cinemark Tinseltown USA Cinema on Faith Road and will buy seats at the 2:50 p.m. showing if more young people want to go, the Rev. Bill Godair, Cornerstone's pastor, said Thursday.


"What we're trying to do is bring in as many kids as possible, especially minority kids," said Godair, whose church is known for multiracial makeup. "If this movie could touch one person's life, I really feel like it could be great for our city."

As a preacher, Godair said he wouldn't normally champion a Hollywood movie, but he saw "Pride" recently and called it "a very inspirational movie."
The film focuses on the life of Jim Ellis, a black swim coach who saves a crumbling recreation center in Philadelphia and uses it to train a team of inner-city youths, who go on to win a national swimming title.

"Pride" is inspired by the real-life struggles Ellis and his team faced, but not everything is factual. The opening sequence, in which a young Ellis is prevented from swimming with white teammates at a competition, is set in Salisbury in 1964. But screenwriter Mills Goodloe said he only used Salisbury to represent what could have happened in any small town in the 1960s because his grew up here and attended Spencer High School.

Nonetheless, Godair sees in the movie a message that can benefit young people in Salisbury and surrounding communities. He mentioned the shooting death of 13-year-old Treasure Feamster, who lost her life trying to escape gunfire that erupted when rival gang members argued during a party recently.

"I really feel an urgent need that we've got to do something in this town because of the gang situation and different things," Godair said. "... Especially for kids off the street that don't have hope. If they would just apply themselves and stick with it, they can make it."
Godair said he will speak briefly before the movie about growing up in poverty. Other speakers during a short presentation will include a minority attorney and Rodney Nunn, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2004 after he fatally punched an employee in a rage after learning the employee had stolen from a client. Nunn now works with the anti-violence group Project SAFE Salisbury.

Godair said the theater can hold about 150 for one showing, but at the earlier showing, "as long as we can get seats in the theater, we'll pay for them to go."

The movie, which stars Terrence Howard and Bernie Mac, is rated PG. The church is encouraging children ages 8 and older to attend and hopes for "as many teens as possible," Godair said.

"I really believe in my spirit this movie can make a difference in some kid's life," he said.


Anyone interested in their children attending, he said, can call Jennifer King at the church at 704-855-1218, extension 11.


Contact Scott Jenkins at 704-797-4248 or sjenkins @salisburypost.com.

[SDG]

His wife is considered a pastor .... when does the madness end?

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/pastors.aspx

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Bill Godair, Pastor
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/Pastor1.jpg
From the streets of St Louis to a high school gym, God’s hand reached down and salvaged a 15 year old boy; a boy who was raised in a dysfunctional, poverty stricken home. He longed to be loved and accepted. His appearance not so appealing to the eye or to the mothers that he walked passed as he made his way to the front of the gymnasium. This long-hair-hippie having marijuana in his pocket, began to feel something, this something was an introduction to whom we know as Jesus Christ. He knew at this age God had called him to do something special this was to build a multicultural church. This young boy is today the founder and Sr. Pastor of Cornerstone, a church of many nations.

Bill Godair has a bold voice, one who dares to stand up boldly to declare a message of hope, truth, and prosperity. His unique style of ministry captivates men, women and children of all ages and levels of society. His dynamic yet practical style is down to earth. He will have you laughing one minute and crying the next. When you leave the service he will have left his unique thumbprint on your heart and you will feel as though you can accomplish anything. He speaks the message with heartfelt passion.

You may contact Pastor Godair at: bill@cornerstone-church.net (bill@cornerstone-church.net)
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Tina Godair, Pastor

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/PastorTina1.jpg

Tina Godair is a spirited, energized lady who believes nothing is impossible. Pastor Tina has talked openly about her failed first marriage, her being a single mother for seven years, and the devastation and the tragic loss of her seven year-old daughter.
She has taken life's challenges and discovered God’s love, compassion, and most importantly his Grace. She believes and teaches that no matter anyone’s background or mistakes, God has a place for them and can help them on their path to enjoying everyday life.
You may contact Tina Godair at:
tina@cornerstone-church.net (tina@cornerstone-church.net)




Unity

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/PastorandPastorTina1.jpg

United together, Pastors Bill & Tina create a dynamic couple that effectively touches the hearts and lives of people throughout their city. These humble servants are advancing the Kingdom of God in a whole new way and redefining church as we see it today.
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/familyphoto.jpg

[SDG]

The Dance Ministry !!!!!!!

Creative Arts
Minister: Kristen Zapata

Called by Grace - Our drama, dance and sign team helps usher in a powerful atmosphere of celebration and exaltation in our weekly services. The team performs on at special events, holidays and throughout the community.

Generation Praize - (TOP). (http://www.cornerstone-church.net/creativearts.aspx#top)
Cornerstone's NEW kids dance team! This team of young children (ages 5-11yrs) expresses their love for God through modern dance. Psalms 145:4

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/Generation%20Praize1.jpg http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/mime.jpg
http://www.cornerstone-church.net/contentimg/Dance.JPG

[SDG]

This church is reaching out to the community ... like very few traditional UPCI churches are ... their site indicates community work w/ Latinos, gangs, underpriveleged ...

This pic typifies the multicultural makeup of their youth

http://www.cornerstone-church.net/big%20pics/bowling/P1030616.jpg

[Felicity]

LOL! Guess I was thinking "great music and choreography for a morning workout." :dancing

I didn't quite see the purpose of that dance number except for entertainment value, but oh well ....... good for them for doing all they can to reach their community.

:)

[SDG]

I envision the NC board disfellowshipping Pastor Bill Godair once Resolution 3 passes in September ... He'd be tagged as "questionable" in a heartbeat.

[Barb]

Not sure if anyone is interested in what this UPCI mod thinks, Daniel, but here goes...

I am doing everything I know to do to keep myself in line with God's Word and live a life as becoming His child.

The steps I deem necessary for me may not be those deemed necessary by another.

Consequently, as a layperson, with the only soul I am responsible for my own, I cannot say what others should or should not do.

And as keeping Barb in line is a full-time job, it leaves little time for 'salvation inspecting.'

I said all of that because it was always my practice to see a church like this, and think, "Oops, there they go down that 'slippery slope'..." or think that if folks did not follow my form of godliness, they were on their way to yon lower regions.

If they are reaching souls, God love 'em!!

[SDG]

The Slippery Slope???

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[Barb]

The Slippery Slope???

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LOL!! You crack me up, son...you know that expression "slippery slope" is one I hesitated in using because it is so overdone. :hypercoffee

Wish I could view the clip...dial-up, you know...:angelsad

[SDG]

Any relation to Johnny Godair?

I envision the NC board disfellowshipping Pastor Bill Godair once Resolution 3 passes in September ... He'd be tagged as "questionable" in a heartbeat.

Okay ... this is what the grapevine has spawned about Billy Godair.

BG is the nephew of Johnny and Kenny Godair. He is viewed by some as the "black sheep" of the family and the North Carolina District's neighborhood "charismatic".

He is not shy ...

I cannot confirm or deny the rumor that when confronted by the district board a couple of years back ... he showed up w/ his lawyer. He might of said to the board ... something along the lines of "If you try to take my license ... I'll moon y'all on the way out." Could be urban legend?

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.

[J-Roc]

Okay ... this is what the grapevine has spawned about Billy Godair.

BG is the nephew of Johnny and Kenny Godair. He is viewed by some as the "black sheep" of the family and the North Carolina District's neighborhood "charismatic".

He is not shy ...

I cannot confirm or deny the rumor that when confronted by the district board a couple of years back ... he showed up w/ his lawyer. He might of said to the board ... something along the lines of "If you try to take my license ... I'll moon y'all on the way out." Could be urban legend?

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.



A rebel with a cause? :driving

[chaotic_resolve]

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.
Good observation. Is it known yet who authored Res. 3, or what District it came from?

Really sad when you have Pastors like this who are actually making a difference in the community and changing lives, only to have other disgruntled and jealous ministers try to shut you down.

If this happens the UPCI will lose a great church. Right now HQ should be embracing this church and doing what they can to keep it in the organization. It should be featured in the Pentecostal Herald.

Did anyone else notice . . . all the pics I saw showed that this church has dress standards. I didn't see any jewelry, short hair or pants.

[slave4him]

Good observation. Is it known yet who authored Res. 3, or what District it came from?

Really sad when you have Pastors like this who are actually making a difference in the community and changing lives, only to have other disgruntled and jealous ministers try to shut you down.

If this happens the UPCI will lose a great church. Right now HQ should be embracing this church and doing what they can to keep it in the organization. It should be featured in the Pentecostal Herald.

Did anyone else notice . . . all the pics I saw showed that this church has dress standards. I didn't see any jewelry, short hair or pants.

I agree. It is sad that people spin their wheels fighting people who are trying to reach the lost. I am not sure that I am 100% comfortable with all the things and ways they are reaching the lost. But I have learned that just because I am not comfortable with something doesn't make it wrong. I believe alot of good churches have left the UPCI because of other churches whom labled them as charsmatic and shunned them to the point that they finaly became what others accused them of. They remind me of Life Tabernacle in hopkinsville Ky. Pastor Gerald Adams. People accuse them of many things because they think outside of the box.
Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[Praxeas]

Prax, I would LOVE to have highspeed, but in this area, the only carrier is Comcast. The rate now is way over the top and they are forever raising it...I just can't do it now.

As it stands, I get AOL on my daddy's GM discount and I can deal with the price...

I know I am missing SO much, but some of us have no choice. :angelsad
Comcast is cable...what about Telephone? Verizon? Even if they don't offer it yet, bug them. They will eventually add it

[Barb]

Comcast is cable...what about Telephone? Verizon? Even if they don't offer it yet, bug them. They will eventually add it

Really?! I am so dumb...thankx...

[deacon blues]

I know Bill, I like Bill, I think a lot of him. His testimony is moving and awe inspiring.

I could not, however, feel comfortable endorsing the movie "Pride" because of its content. Here is the "Plugged In" (Focus on the Family's movie review website) review of "Pride":

The racial attitudes of a late '60s, early '70s Philadelphia keep black coach Jim Ellis at arm's length from his dream of training a team of competitive swimmers. So he decides to take whatever work he can find and is given the job of cleaning out an old recreational facility marked for demolition. After bumping heads with the building's live-in maintenance superintendent, Elston, Ellis sets to work and discovers an indoor competition-size pool beneath all the junk.

He fills the pool for his own enjoyment after a hard day's work, but ends up inviting in a motley crew of neighborhood kids with nothing better to do in the summer heat. With the kids' hearty encouragement and the help of a newly energized Elston, Ellis decides to take on the unofficial task of revitalizing the Rec Center and creating the first African-American swim team in Philadelphia.


POSITIVE ELEMENTS

Coach Ellis has a deep-seated passion to give the teens in his community a chance to grow as people and as teammates. "I believe in them so much. There's so much they can do," he says. "Life is what you make of it." Given the label of the Philadelphia Department of Recreation to put on his team's uniforms, Ellis turns the acronym PDR into Pride, Determination and Resilience.

Ellis puts his life on the line when he steps in front of a pimp/drug dealer's car to take two boys out of the backseat. The dealer, Franklin, threatens him, but the coach warns the thug to leave the boys alone. Ellis employs tough love, too. He sets rules of conduct for the team and holds each of his swimmers to them. He demonstrates to the kids that, like them, he must make upright choices. When he loses his temper and crosses the line, he immediately suspends himself from involvement in the big swim meet. And although he was stung in his youth by the barbs of racism, Ellis will not allow his team to dwell on racist acts perpetrated against them and encourages them to walk a higher path.

One of the swimmers was raised by his older sister, Sue. She is a self-sacrificing woman who fights to keep her brother in school and away from the gang he used to be part of.

When we first meet Elston, he's an empty man living in and "maintaining" a dilapidated recreation facility that has "no economic worth to itself or the city it serves." When Coach Ellis opens the doors to the youth in the area and brings life back into the Rec Center, Elston slowly comes back to life as well. He fights to keep the place open and when they get permission to hold a swim meet there, he embraces the coach and tearfully says, "Thank you, Mr. Jim. Thank you so much."

SPIRITUAL CONTENT

In an effort to gain a little support for the boy's new swim team (and maybe for his own spiritual sake, too), Elston reconnects at church. He puts his arm around his surprised pastor and talks about John 3:16. In a later scene, Coach Ellis expresses his hope that the community will come watch the team. Elston replies, "The Lord works in mysterious ways." We then find that the whole church has shown up for the team's first swim meet. One of the swimmers wears a medallion around his neck that he kisses before he swims (we're never told or shown if it has religious significance). As the coach crawls into a makeshift bed at the Rec Center he says, "God bless this space."

SEXUAL CONTENT

The young swimmers all have well-muscled bodies that are well-displayed (in shorts and Speedos) throughout the film. When a girl joins the team, the guys leer at her in her swimsuit and make off-color comments. And when the coach bumps into Franklin and his gaggle of "girls" (who are provocatively dressed), he's offered their "services." Ellis demurs.

Other women wear tight-fitting tube-tops, short skirts and form-fitting dresses. One of the boys makes a joke about a condom breaking. Crass jokes fly about the tiny swimsuits the team has to wear, while Elston cracks wise about swimming naked.

VIOLENT CONTENT

The film opens in the late '60s when Ellis is a student and the only black swimmer on his college swim team. When he attends a meet, the other teams and spectators scream and yell that he shouldn't be allowed to swim. His coach stands up for him, but a riot breaks out when Ellis loses his temper and punches a cop. He is battered by other policemen and ends up on the floor with a foot pinning his head to the ground.

Coach Ellis' hot temper flares again when Franklin and his goons trash the Rec Center and are caught urinating in the pool. The coach punches and throws two of the young punks and almost drowns Franklin. (He later laments his actions, saying, "Turns out, I'm no better than those thugs.") A competing white swimmer kicks one of the PDR swimmers in the head to take him out of the race. Another swimmer accidentally hits his head on the side of the pool as he makes a turn.

CRUDE OR PROFANE LANGUAGE

A half-dozen or so s-words. "H---," "d--n," "a--" and "b--ch" bring the tally to 30-plus. The n-word is used several times.

DRUG AND ALCOHOL CONTENT

The coach sees Franklin selling drugs to a kid on the street. Franklin tries to lure Sue's brother back into the gang by offering him money and beer. Franklin smokes cigarettes.

OTHER NEGATIVE ELEMENTS

The negative racial attitudes of the late '60s are an important part of this story. Though the scenes dedicated to this conflict are short (and instructive), the racist words and actions are still ugly.

CONCLUSION

My grandmother lived with us when I was a kid, but we never shared much common ground—I was always running in a sweat while she sat and gave me dry, disapproving glances. But, strangely, we were like-minded about one thing: sports movies. A movie such as Pride of the Yankees or It Happens Every Spring would draw us both to the TV from our positions at opposite ends of the house. Together we'd pull for the underdog and cheer for the good guy to make the right, though tough, choices. Pride is a lot like those flicks we enjoyed together. Sure, it's formulaic to a fault, with a coach who faces impossible odds, falls on his kisser in embarrassment, then somehow raises a phoenix from the ashes and tries to win the big one. But this story also has something we haven't seen a lot of lately—adults who want to hold young people accountable and teach them of respect and hard work. They really care about the kids, in and out of the pool, and help us do the same.

There is one scene that encapsulates this connection for me. Sue is reading by herself when her formerly gangbanging and decidedly less-than-academic brother comes in. He moves to a small bookcase and starts looking for a book to read. She watches him with initial confusion—he's been working hard with the coach to keep his grades up, but ... he's reading a book!? As the boy moves to sit with his literary choice in hand, the look in Sue's eyes shifts to wonder and then to a restrained joy. It's a subtle moment, yet it superlatively confirms the rewards of patience, enduring effort and sacrifice.

That's not to say Pride doesn't also flail around in the deep end of the pool. The story editing jumps back and forth and can leave you scratching your head now and again. And the camera spends a lot of time gazing at the chiseled young men, from a variety of angles, as they stand around dripping and glistening in their itsy bitsy teenie weenie ... swimsuits. (It would've made my grandmother blush, anyway.) But it's the totally unnecessary foul language scattered throughout the movie that would definitely have driven Grandma from the room. As it will others. Which is too bad, really, because, like I said, this is the kind of sports flick she and I could have rooted for.

[NLYP]

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
More and more churches like this will be rising up!

And watch...they will take their cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Light]

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
More and more churches like this will be rising up!

And watch...they will take their cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes they will, but the question is where will they take them?????

[Truly Blessed]

It seems quite primitive to me. I have seen creative dance in Hong Kong and in San Jose, Costa Rica that was done with such class and a real anointing upon it that truly led you into the presence of God. I just don't get what I'm watching on this video.

[ReformedDave]

LOL This is great!

But is it worthy of our Christ? Oh I forgot. It doesn't matter..........

[seguidordejesus]

I didn't think the dancing was that great, but the rest looked neat.

[Sandra]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. next thing ya know they will have Vicki Yohe in Concert. Lawdddddddddddddd help em.

[tamor]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. next thing ya know they will have Vicki Yohe in Concert. Lawdddddddddddddd help em.

:toofunny Pray, Saints, Pray!! :toofunny

[Felicity]

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
More and more churches like this will be rising up!

And watch...they will take their cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!Art thou a true prophet? ;) :)

And hmmm....... seriously NYLP ....... what do you base your optimism and proclamation on?

???

[SDG]

Good observation. Is it known yet who authored Res. 3, or what District it came from?

Really sad when you have Pastors like this who are actually making a difference in the community and changing lives, only to have other disgruntled and jealous ministers try to shut you down.

If this happens the UPCI will lose a great church. Right now HQ should be embracing this church and doing what they can to keep it in the organization. It should be featured in the Pentecostal Herald.

Did anyone else notice . . . all the pics I saw showed that this church has dress standards. I didn't see any jewelry, short hair or pants.

This is the million dollar question in relation to resolution 3 .... that and who authored the teacher resolution .....

I know the person who wrote the resolution is usually the first to present it on the floor ... but why isn't the author listed when they send the resolutions out for ministerial preview????

[Monkeyman]

Props to the church...note to the TV host...Stylist!!!! Please!!!! Lose the bangs unless ya get a hairstylist to do em', lose the suit and loose tie, ya look greasy!
And BTW.....YA AIN'T BLACK BRO, lose the jive, Ya feeling me dawg??!!! He he, Good job for trying, but git yoself back to the drawing board!!!
*The line that he mishandled concerning his sunglasses tore me up*

[LadyRev]

His wife is considered a pastor .... when does the madness end?



Oooooooooooooo how utterly shocking!

Women pastors have been around long before the UPCI existed. Married ones too! Some with husbands that didn't even preach! Ooooooo isn't that amazing? :sshhh

[SDG]

Oooooooooooooo how utterly shocking!

Women pastors have been around long before the UPCI existed. Married ones too! Some with husbands that didn't even preach! Ooooooo isn't that amazing? :sshhh

I don't have a problem w/ it.

[warrior]

Props to the church...note to the TV host...Stylist!!!! Please!!!! Lose the bangs unless ya get a hairstylist to do em', lose the suit and loose tie, ya look greasy!
And BTW.....YA AIN'T BLACK BRO, lose the jive, Ya feeling me dawg??!!! He he, Good job for trying, but git yoself back to the drawing board!!!
*The line that he mishandled concerning his sunglasses tore me up*
Monkeyman,

I see that only those ignorant black folks act and speak like that? What what you say, sister!

[LadyRev]

I don't have a problem w/ it.

I didn't think you did. But I couldn't resist throwing in a little sarcasm for the benefit of others. :D

[HangingOut]

My comment is broad brushed, but pastor's, org and every facet that has focused so much on trying to keep themselves so holy, have and will, eventually be humbled in one way or another. I have seen it too many times.
It may not be something that reaches the masses, but I witnessed it myself and it really puts character in perspective. The reactions are amusing as well. I am talking about all the disassociation with churches over petty issues only to have one of their own stumble in the local community.

[Felicity]

Interesting after viewing the video this thread started with ..... that we were watching Huntley St (Canadian Christian TV program) this morning (first time in ages that I've watched this program) and they were running a clip of a youth event recently held in Quebec City and they had all kinds of this kind of dancing going on. It was pretty amazing stuff and it wasn't just happening on the platform. What was happening on the platform was choreographed pretty much and I have to say some of it was beautiful and meaningful as well.

People all over the place were forming into groups and dancing in the aisles and around the stadium.

I can see this really attracting young people for obvious reasons but it wasn't just young people attending this event. Older people were really into it too and I have to say that I believe the presence of God was in the place! I was pretty impressed with some of the dynamics of this meeting.

Doesn't mean I put a big seal of approval on it all but it was pretty amazing and effective just the same.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Interesting after viewing the video this thread started with ..... that we were watching Huntley St (Canadian Christian TV program) this morning (first time in ages that I've watched this program) and they were running a clip of a youth event recently held in Quebec City and they had all kinds of this kind of dancing going on. It was pretty amazing stuff and it wasn't just happening on the platform. What was happening on the platform was choreographed pretty much and I have to say some of it was beautiful and meaningful as well.

People all over the place were forming into groups and dancing in the aisles and around the stadium.

I can see this really attracting young people for obvious reasons but it wasn't just young people attending this event. Older people were really into it too and I have to say that I believe the presence of God was in the place! I was pretty impressed with some of the dynamics of this meeting.

Doesn't mean I put a big seal of approval on it all but it was pretty amazing and effective just the same.

Help me understand here-

Is Huntley St the Canadian equivalent of TBN? Or the equivalent of another network?

[Felicity]

Help me understand here-

Is Huntley St the Canadian equivalent of TBN? Or the equivalent of another network?TBN? Good heavens, no! :killinme

[Felicity]

Help me understand here-

Is Huntley St the Canadian equivalent of TBN? Or the equivalent of another network?100 Huntley St. Lots of links here bro. Click! (http://www.crossroads.ca/broadcas/about100b.htm)

[CupCake]

Get a life people.

Agree~

[Steve Epley]

More of the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that man is related to Hershel Godair he would roll over in his grave.

[Brett Prince]

LOL This is great!

Dan, please tell me that you are just blowing smoke for controversy here. This church should leave the UPC. They are in direct defiance of the manual--and they right well know it.

[SDG]

Dan, please tell me that you are just blowing smoke for controversy here. This church should leave the UPC. They are in direct defiance of the manual--and they right well know it.

BP ... you're bugging. Don't get me started.

[pelathais]

Dan, please tell me that you are just blowing smoke for controversy here. This church should leave the UPC. They are in direct defiance of the manual--and they right well know it.

A question- does anyone have the text (or at least the gist) of Resolution 3?

On the matter of Godair's church being "in direct defiance of the manual" I'd have to observe that most of our churches are, in one way or the other.

I don't know if I like the "interpretive dance" stuff all that much, but years ago I wondered why it was "okay" to immodestly throw yourself around like a voodoo dancer, but people could not praise God with a sense of class and consideration.

I got a fat lip at campmeeting when I was a teen because I was standing in one place with my hands lifted in praise and the gentleman in front of me lost all sense of himself and walloped me good. I was a new convert, but persevered. No one offered an apology or even tissue. I was left feeling like I was the one who was "wrong" to have been smacked in the face by a stranger in this strange setting.

If that event was "fine" in the UC lexicon, what's wrong with these girls who aren't hurting anybody? Literally, they're not hurting anybody.

[Praxeas]

It's funny how many UPCers are into Sports, watch Sports, keep track of teams, but a church does something together in that area and it's worldly amusements.

Can someone define Worldly amusement? Is playing monopoly worldly? Bowling? Video games? Golf? What's your justification?

[Praxeas]

A question- does anyone have the text (or at least the gist) of Resolution 3?

On the matter of Godair's church being "in direct defiance of the manual" I'd have to observe that most of our churches are, in one way or the other.

I don't know if I like the "interpretive dance" stuff all that much, but years ago I wondered why it was "okay" to immodestly throw yourself around like a voodoo dancer, but people could not praise God with a sense of class and consideration.

I got a fat lip at campmeeting when I was a teen because I was standing in one place with my hands lifted in praise and the gentleman in front of me lost all sense of himself and walloped me good. I was a new convert, but persevered. No one offered an apology or even tissue. I was left feeling like I was the one who was "wrong" to have been smacked in the face by a stranger in this strange setting.

If that event was "fine" in the UC lexicon, what's wrong with these girls who aren't hurting anybody? Literally, they're not hurting anybody.
I thought the dance thing was dorky, but did anyone complain when that brother did something like that at BOTT where he was giving his interpretation of a little girl in a wheel chair? (I can't remember his name)...why is dance that is coordinated suddenly wrong but some woman screaming and dancing at the same time is not?

Some of you all should become quakers....they just sit around doing nothing until someone feels "led" to do something...

Do we have to wait for the Lord to move BEFORE worshiping or dancing or singing or whatever?

Is the Hand Sign groups suddenly sinful or carnal? Sad when you consider they are doing it for God...it's carnal unless some UC approves of it.

[Praxeas]

The extremes some go to is nuts..until you touch their sacred cow of course. If a choir sways it's of the devil, yet they might have no problem listening to a choir on a CD as long as they don't have to see them sway.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

[stmatthew]

I thought the dance thing was dorky, but did anyone complain when that brother did something like that at BOTT where he was giving his interpretation of a little girl in a wheel chair? (I can't remember his name)...why is dance that is coordinated suddenly wrong but some woman screaming and dancing at the same time is not?

Some of you all should become quakers....they just sit around doing nothing until someone feels "led" to do something...

Do we have to wait for the Lord to move BEFORE worshiping or dancing or singing or whatever?

Is the Hand Sign groups suddenly sinful or carnal? Sad when you consider they are doing it for God...it's carnal unless some UC approves of it.

Not an UC, but I despise the Hand Sign stuff, and the white stick stuff too. JMHO

[Praxeas]

Not an UC, but I despise the Hand Sign stuff, and the white stick stuff too. JMHO
I don't know what a white stick stuff is, but I don't care for everything however that does not mean I will label it carnal or oppose it because it's not my personal preference.

One thing though....the day my church does the flag waving procession stuff and worship becomes a bunch of women with flags waving them around all over the place, is the day I find another church :hypercoffee

[MissBrattified]

Not an UC, but I despise the Hand Sign stuff, and the white stick stuff too. JMHO

StMatt...really? Have you been in service with Howi Tiller? Ever?

[Bishop1]

More of the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that man is related to Hershel Godair he would roll over in his grave.


He IS
{ Hershel's Grandson }

Both Johnny and Kenney Godair are his Uncles -

bill godAIR uses your buddy ( P-U }
quite often, or when he's not in Gainesville Ga -

Bishop1

[SDG]

Okay ... this is what the grapevine has spawned about Billy Godair.

BG is the nephew of Johnny and Kenny Godair. He is viewed by some as the "black sheep" of the family and the North Carolina District's neighborhood "charismatic".

He is not shy ...

I cannot confirm or deny the rumor that when confronted by the district board a couple of years back ... he showed up w/ his lawyer. He might of said to the board ... something along the lines of "If you try to take my license ... I'll moon y'all on the way out." Could be urban legend?

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.

Bumpity ...bump

[SDG]

A question- does anyone have the text (or at least the gist) of Resolution 3?

On the matter of Godair's church being "in direct defiance of the manual" I'd have to observe that most of our churches are, in one way or the other.

I don't know if I like the "interpretive dance" stuff all that much, but years ago I wondered why it was "okay" to immodestly throw yourself around like a voodoo dancer, but people could not praise God with a sense of class and consideration.

I got a fat lip at campmeeting when I was a teen because I was standing in one place with my hands lifted in praise and the gentleman in front of me lost all sense of himself and walloped me good. I was a new convert, but persevered. No one offered an apology or even tissue. I was left feeling like I was the one who was "wrong" to have been smacked in the face by a stranger in this strange setting.

If that event was "fine" in the UC lexicon, what's wrong with these girls who aren't hurting anybody? Literally, they're not hurting anybody.

The red portion is what is new ...


Whereas there has not been a clear definition of the terms "under question" and "conduct unbecoming a minister," and

Whereas there seems to be a difference in these terms,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 21 is changed to read as follows:

21. No minister who withdraws or is dropped from our fellowship, whose conduct is under question, shall be allowed to preach for any of our ministers, nor pastor any of our churches. Neither shall any minister of the United Pentecostal Church International fellowship be allowed to preach or participate in any form in any services (except funerals and weddings) sponsored or conducted by any minister who has withdrawn or been dropped, whose conduct is under question. This does not apply to anyone being used in any capacity in his or her local assembly, with the exception of the position of associate pastor or assistant pastor.


(a) The term "under question" shall be taken to mean a formal decision by a District Board reflecting a concern that conduct in flagrant violation of the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International has occurred.

(b) The term "conduct unbecoming a minister" shall be taken to mean any conduct of a moral, financial, or ethical nature that would cause a reproach upon the ministry.

[Steve Epley]

He IS
{ Hershel's Grandson }

Both Johnny and Kenney Godair are his Uncles -

bill godAIR uses your buddy ( P-U }
quite often, or when he's not in Gainesville Ga -

Bishop1

Hershel Godair's sister (I think) was married to my wife's grandfather's brother Pete Blackwood from California. I think they both are dead?

[Truly Blessed]

I have always questioned why it is celebrated in UPC churches when there is a "shockamoo" type service where people are running, jumping, screaming, etc. and it is considered an great manifestation of the Spirit moving among them. Yet, when a congregation has an ordered, creative dance routine that can actually be understood, it is of the devil. It seems that Paul's teaching on everything being done decently and in order favors the latter form of worship.