From StMatt's Own Mouth

[stmatthew]

OK folks,

I have always been as transparent and honest as I know how to be. It does not always mean that I am always agreed with, but that is beside the point.

Here is the story as I know it.

A little over a month ago it was mentioned in the admin area that we needed to be a little more defined in our definition of who we were. This was in reference to several that were starting to propagate the trinity doctrine. It was talked about, and on July 17th, I presented the initial draft to Owners and Admin. One of the things we discussed was that we did not want to impose a stringent definition that would exclude. If this was a church ministry, then a clear, non-negotiable type statement would be needed. But as we are only a discussion board, we only desired to mark a starting point for discussion. The statement was worded to incorporate both the PAJC and PCI viewpoints. It was not something to swear allegiance to. No one was asked to agree to it in order to post here.



During this time MOW felt that we were not going to allow enough freedom in posting. He stated that "If we're going to say that only a narrower spectrum can be propagated, accepted etc. then we are taking a drastic step that will KILL this board for all intents and purposes." He also stated, "If you all want diversity with tolerance, I'll hang around. If not, this place is not for me." I believe his fear was that we would begin drawing a line that would exclude himself and others that did not hold the UPCI view. This was as far from the truth as can be.

During the discourse, I posted this to MOW:

MOW,

I have never thought of you in any other terms than a Gentleman and a Christian. And yes, your post lets me know you are apostolic. The bolded above (An identification with Ac. 2:38 is what binds us together.) is all we are making a statement about.

I do think you are reading something into the 1st post that is not there. The post states NOTHING about where salvation occurs. It simply defines Apostolic in the most raw, generic terms that we all (you included) have stated we believe. I have stated very plainly that I feel it would be the downfall of the forum to define Apostolic in salvational terms. This forum, along with the others (FCF & NFCF), does not seek to do that because there is diversity within the Apostolic ranks as far as salvation concerns.

There are no signatures required. No affirmations to affirm. Anyone is allowed here to post. I have found only a few that differ. I only know one or two that are borderline in their posts that would be considered tearing down our doctrine. So while we do not NEED the definition, I personally think it brings a little more clarity to those that come here that are not Apostolic.


Continued....... (I'll open it when I am done)

[stmatthew]

Now having stated the above post, I want to state very plainly that MOW has been an asset to the Admin team, and all of us would welcome him back immediately if he desired to come back. We have not even taken his ability to admin away, as we are still hoping he will return. I know he felt that the forum was going toward a UPCI stand, but it is not, and will not while I am here. I personally feel that he stepped out just prior to the forum administration coming into a better place, and if he would have waited, or taken a breather, he would have seen that we can work thinks out as admin. He is still welcome back.

We have tightened up in some area's that needed to be tightened, and have worked a lot within the admin area to come to a clear direction as to moderating this forum. Will there be times we jump the gun, or over moderate?? YES. But the reason we have a group of Admins that range from lib to con is so we always have a balance. Or at least that is the goal.

So those of you who think this is a mod vs con, you might be partially right, as we all are likely biased toward our agenda and position. But it is not a division that cannot be worked out, within Admin, or on the forum itself.

[stmatthew]

I am here for any questions or comments, but I am not going to argue with anyone in this thread.

[Margies3]

We have tightened up in some area's that needed to be tightened,

Matt,
I appreciate you sharing this from your perspective. I think that this will help us to understand more what has been happening. At least, I hope :)

I do have one question tho. Regarding the above statement: Could you please share with us (the general public) what areas you might have tightened up in? We need to know so that we are forewarned so we don't find ourselves banned. LOL

[J-Roc]

Thanks for the transparency and willingness to discuss!

[Brother Strange]

QUESTION:

Is this another one of those tempest in a teapot storms that we've seen before that means little to nothing but got everyone all riled up?

[J-Roc]

Question:

Does the Admin feel pressure (from Ownership) to decide a certain way or is the Admin free to decide how they view a matter? The pressure does not necessarily have to be vocalized, merely simply implied.

[rgcraig]

Question:

Does the Admin feel pressure (from Ownership) to decide a certain way or is the Admin free to decide how they view a matter? The pressure does not necessarily have to be vocalized, merely simply implied.

As an Admin - no. We are all very honest with each other.

[CC1]

I did not have a problem with the "defining" of the forum that was given. There are a lot of "Christian" forums out there that I could post in but I specifically want to participate in one that is Oneness Pentecostal in perspective.

Within that OP designation I want it to be as inclusive as possible and so far it has been. Those of both the so called PAJC and PCI view are welcome as are pre-trip, mid-trib, post-trib and no-trib folks.

People who wear shorts to Titans football games and those who insist that not only must shorts not be worn but sleeves must be full length are all welcome.

People with Home Theater's with 92" screens are welcome as are those who dont allow any screens at home or church (at least one not even recorded music played in church!).

This all seems pretty inclusive to me.

I welcome the distinction that this is not a trinitarian site. I say that as one who does not think trinitarians are going to hell nor do I believe they believe in "another god" or "three gods". I do however recognize that there is a difference in trinitarian and Oneness views of God.

[Felicity]

So those of you who think this is a mod vs con, you might be partially right, as we all are likely biased toward our agenda and position. But it is not a division that cannot be worked out, within Admin, or on the forum itself.I don't understand why they has to be any agenda either with Admin or on the forum itself.

If there is an agenda how would it be described? To accomplish what? To do what?

[Felicity]

I don't understand why they has to be any agenda either with Admin or on the forum itself.

If there is an agenda how would it be described? To accomplish what? To do what?I thought the purpose of the forum is to give people a chance to discuss the issues as they relate to Oneness Apostolicism. I thought if there was an agenda this would be it.

So what am I missing?

[RevDWW]

I did not have a problem with the "defining" of the forum that was given. There are a lot of "Christian" forums out there that I could post in but I specifically want to participate in one that is Oneness Pentecostal in perspective.

Within that OP designation I want it to be as inclusive as possible and so far it has been. Those of both the so called PAJC and PCI view are welcome as are pre-trip, mid-trib, post-trib and no-trib folks.

People who wear shorts to Titans football games and those who insist that not only must shorts not be worn but sleeves must be full length are all welcome.

People with Home Theater's with 92" screens are welcome as are those who dont allow any screens at home or church (at least one not even recorded music played in church!).

This all seems pretty inclusive to me.

I welcome the distinction that this is not a trinitarian site. I say that as one who does not think trinitarians are going to hell nor do I believe they believe in "another god" or "three gods". I do however recognize that there is a difference in trinitarian and Oneness views of God.

Well said!!!!:friend.....now lets get back to bicker'n........:smack :killinme:killinme

[stmatthew]

Question:

Does the Admin feel pressure (from Ownership) to decide a certain way or is the Admin free to decide how they view a matter? The pressure does not necessarily have to be vocalized, merely simply implied.

I am both an owner, and the head admin here, but I feel no pressure at all from other owners. We ALL work together and have butted heads on how to moderate certain things. We are all human, and have our own biases. But there is no pressure. The pressure was in trying to find a method to moderate across the board. We have a plan that follows the rules of the forum as of last Monday night. This is where all the tension was. Cons will naturally over moderate, Libs will naturally undermoderate. The problem is the cons naturally moderate the libs, and the libs naturally moderate the cons, so it seems as though the libs are getting moderated more. They might be, but what we have in place should help some.

[chseeads]

If "this forum" ever shuts down again and is reopened with another new name, it should be www.apostolicdramaqueensforum.com

:D

[Felicity]

I don't think it's necessarily true that how moderating is carried out is dependent on a lib/con bias. I've seen no real evidence of this. :confused:

[stmatthew]

I don't understand why they has to be any agenda either with Admin or on the forum itself.

If there is an agenda how would it be described? To accomplish what? To do what?

Probably not the right word to use. I mean that all of us are biased that are view is the correct view. This is a natural thing. So the Cons are going to push for their view, and the libs are going to push for their view.

[stmatthew]

I don't think it's necessarily true that how moderating is carried out is dependent on a lib/con bias. I've seen no real evidence of this. :confused:

I do. But to be fair, I believe we don't do it that much here.

[stmatthew]

If "this forum" ever shuts down again and is reopened with another new name, it should be www.apostolicdramaqueensforum.com

:D


I was thinking of www.apostolicfiendsforum.com

:driving

[rgcraig]

Probably not the right word to use. I mean that all of us are biased that are view is the correct view. This is a natural thing. So the Cons are going to push for their view, and the libs are going to push for their view.

That's more it and Felicity, you wouldn't see it - it's in the admin area.

[chseeads]

I was thinking of www.apostolicfiendsforum.com

:driving


:slaphappy

[rgcraig]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

[Nahum]

Probably not the right word to use. I mean that all of us are biased that are view is the correct view. This is a natural thing. So the Cons are going to push for their view, and the libs are going to push for their view.

But Matt, are there more cons in leadership here at AFF?

BTW, thanks for the honesty. It's refreshing.

[Ferd]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

According to Thumper (and supported by the dean) I at least either dont attend church or dont support it anyway.

[Felicity]

Probably not the right word to use. I mean that all of us are biased that are view is the correct view. This is a natural thing. So the Cons are going to push for their view, and the libs are going to push for their view.Sure, I guess that's correct although I don't think that a lot of us mere "members" are trying to "push" anything.

We just give our viewpoints and express our opinions about a myriad of topics when they come up for discussion.

There may well be some here with an "agenda" (forum members) but I would think that if members of the Admin team did that it would be even more difficult for you all than it already is. There's no way I believe for a minute that it's all peace and harmony behind the scenes.

When I read that word "agenda" especially relating to the Admin team it just really made alarm bells go off. :D

[Nahum]

According to Thumper (and supported by the dean) I at least either dont attend church or dont support it anyway.

Yeah, that little comment really torques me.

I hate the whole "secret, super-powerful, anonymous admin" thing.

The Dean needs to reveal his true identity, or post under his common username. His name makes him seem as though he is the post powerful owner/admin on the board.

[Ron]

For the record, I am biased and lean a little bit more towards the poster Ronb.
I think he hits it on target most times, but then there are other times, well.....:hypercoffee





I appreciate all the Admins and Owners.
I think that you all are doing an "Impossible" job very well!


AFF-"A RARE MEDIUM WELL DONE!:hypercoffee

[rgcraig]

Rhoni,

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian :killinme)
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint..

[Ron]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

I am on my way shortly to prayer meeting!

After all it is only 10 minutes to seven on the Wet Coast!:hypercoffee

[J-Roc]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

I think some posters are upset how Dan was treated (see Ronzo's blog thread) and now MOW leaves because he feels there is censorship going on...and GC is around the corner....so things are amusingly spicy right now. :poloroid

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by stmatthew
Rhoni,

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.

Yes, but the most powerful admin/owners are not listed and they are conservative.

[Margies3]

I can't speak for everyone here. But I want to tell you that what I am taking away most from this discussion is a much greater appreciation for all that the admin has to do to keep this thing afloat. I've always known that it couldn't be an easy job. But hadn't really considered the thought that because of the individual stances of each person in the admin, that that could also be a completely different source of friction (not the word I want, but the only one I can think of right now). So basically, while we are all out here battling it out over some issue, the folks in admin not only have to read and know where they stand personally on the issue, but they also have to be able to, in an unbiased way, make sure that things do not get out of control.

I think you all have done a pretty doggone good job. Not perfect. But no one is perfect. But pretty great!!!:roseglasses

[Nahum]

I think some posters are upset how Dan was treated (see Ronzo's blog thread) and now MOW leaves because he feels there is censorship going on...and GC is around the corner....so things are amusingly spicy right now. :poloroid

You caught that too?

I wondered if the "issue" had anything to do with all of this.

[revrandy]

Thanks Matt...

[HeavenlyOne]

I don't think it's necessarily true that how moderating is carried out is dependent on a lib/con bias. I've seen no real evidence of this. :confused:

Unless you know who the admin is posting a 'moderating' post (unless they post it under their own name), I'm not sure there is a way to tell from our side.

But it recently happened to me that was caught a month later, wasn't against the rules, and nobody complained, yet I was warned...whether or not it was because I'm considered a lib is anyone's guess though. I'm not going there.

[J-Roc]

You caught that too?

I wondered if the "issue" had anything to do with all of this.


It's plausible for sure....people are in suspense...people are wondering what the repercussions might be at General Conference...will this be pushed aside till next year one more time, will it finally be addressed, will people come out swingin and throwin chairs...will the cons drop their cards on the pulpit on their way out, will they threaten to join forces with other con groups, THERE IS HUGE SUSPENSE, right now....will the AFF go ballistic in September with so many HOT debates...are the ADMINS ready for September fireworks...I CANT WAIT TO SEE.... :poloroid

[SarahElizabeth]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

I work 10.5 hours Monday-Friday and I was soooo tired, rgcraig.

[Ron]

Unless you know who the admin is posting a 'moderating' post (unless they post it under their own name), I'm not sure there is a way to tell from our side.

But it recently happened to me that was caught a month later, wasn't against the rules, and nobody complained, yet I was warned...whether or not it was because I'm considered a lib is anyone's guess though. I'm not going there.

You think you have it bad????


I am considered a "CANADIAN" boy you don't know the persecution.... But I live with it.:hypercoffee

[HeavenlyOne]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

I did!

I'm busy getting ready to leave for Arkansas and your place tomorrow!

[rgcraig]

It's plausible for sure....people are in suspense...people are wondering what the repercussions might be...will this be pushed aside till next year one more time, will it finally be addressed, will people come out swingin and throwin chairs...will the cons drop their cards on the pulpit on their way out, will they threaten to join forces with other con groups, THERE IS HUGE SUSPENSE, right now....will the AFF go ballistic in September with so many HOT debates...are the ADMINS ready for September fireworks...I CANT WAIT TO SEE.... :poloroid

You didn't hear? All the admins are going on vacation in September and we're leaving you guys in charge!

[rgcraig]

I work 10.5 hours Monday-Friday and I was soooo tired, rgcraig.
You are excused - :sshhh

[Ron]

"Turn your eyes upon Jesus.
Look full in his wonderful face.
And the things of AAF will grow
Strangely dim, in the light of his
Glory & Grace!"

Note: I was off key there a few times. Sorry.

[stmatthew]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.

[quote=PastorPoster]Yes, but the most powerful admin/owners are not listed and they are conservative.

Dean - con
IAM - mod to con (he can't be con cause he goes on cruises :))

But honestly these 2 do not do much moderating.

[J-Roc]

You didn't hear? All the admins are going on vacation in September and we're leaving you guys in charge!


ANARCHY!!!! YES!!! :highfive

[Malvaro]

Yeah, that little comment really torques me.

I hate the whole "secret, super-powerful, anonymous admin" thing.

The Dean needs to reveal his true identity, or post under his common username. His name makes him seem as though he is the post powerful owner/admin on the board.

The Dean is under no obligation to do so though.... :tiphat

[HeavenlyOne]

I think some posters are upset how Dan was treated (see Ronzo's blog thread) and now MOW leaves because he feels there is censorship going on...and GC is around the corner....so things are amusingly spicy right now. :poloroid

RE Dan and his latest fiasco.....not the smartest thing he ever posted, was it?

I think he was testing the waters, and found that he can still get banned!

Reminds me of my almost 14 yr old daughter who, about every six months for the past almost 13 years, tries on her 'big girl' panties and decides to see how much she can get away with before being punished.

She finds out real quick and calms down for about another 6 months....LOL!

[rgcraig]

I did!

I'm busy getting ready to leave for Arkansas and your place tomorrow!
See ya Sunday - I've got the directions to the church.

[SarahElizabeth]

I can't speak for everyone here. But I want to tell you that what I am taking away most from this discussion is a much greater appreciation for all that the admin has to do to keep this thing afloat. I've always known that it couldn't be an easy job. But hadn't really considered the thought that because of the individual stances of each person in the admin, that that could also be a completely different source of friction (not the word I want, but the only one I can think of right now). So basically, while we are all out here battling it out over some issue, the folks in admin not only have to read and know where they stand personally on the issue, but they also have to be able to, in an unbiased way, make sure that things do not get out of control.

I think you all have done a pretty doggone good job. Not perfect. But no one is perfect. But pretty great!!!:roseglasses


Margie3, what I have gleaned from the discussions lately is that there is some suffering on both sides of the fence. It pains and annoys the cons when the libs don't straighten up and the libs are pained when the cons think they are lost. This is just a little microcosm of the church world. Think about what it would be like if a PASTOR had to referee a church with libs, mods, and cons, all together. ..........Typically birds of a feather flock together in church.....and here we have cardinals, eagles, bluebirds, and every now and then a vulture. Go figure...........:killinme........JUST KIDDING, GUYS!!!

[Ferd]

Yeah, that little comment really torques me.

I hate the whole "secret, super-powerful, anonymous admin" thing.

The Dean needs to reveal his true identity, or post under his common username. His name makes him seem as though he is the post powerful owner/admin on the board.

being that you are in the boat with me, I suppose you need to go beg your pastor to forgiv...wait, you are the pastor! LOL! I guess building a church isnt being involved enough.

[J-Roc]

IAM - mod to con (he can't be con cause he goes on cruises :))





Hmmm...is this a typo...did you accidently type "mod"?

[HeavenlyOne]

You think you have it bad????


I am considered a "CANADIAN" boy you don't know the persecution.... But I live with it.:hypercoffee

You aren't Canadian? Don't you live in Canada?


:D

[The Mrs]

I love my new label...and I LOVE that I have Matt fooled... :evilglee






:toofunny

[Nahum]

The Dean is under no obligation to do so though.... :tiphat


I agree.

[rgcraig]

I love my new label...and I LOVE that I have Matt fooled... :evilglee






:toofunnyYea, what's up with that?

[HeavenlyOne]

See ya Sunday - I've got the directions to the church.

LadyRev and I are gonna pray you through! LOL!

I heard it's hot down there too. But I'll still wear a sweater to church.....hahaha!

[The Mrs]

According to Thumper (and supported by the dean) I at least either dont attend church or dont support it anyway.

AND you have too much estrogen.... :groan

[Ron]

You aren't Canadian? Don't you live in Canada?


:D

According to some I live in "Canuckastan!"


Oh there I go being persecuted again---good thing I gets to go pray!:hypercoffee

[The Mrs]

Yea, what's up with that?

I have no idea...maybe he has me on 'ignore' and doesn't read my posts??? :dunno

[Ron]

I love my new label...and I LOVE that I have Matt fooled... :evilglee






:toofunny


Must be the luck O' de Irish!:hypercoffee

[rgcraig]

LadyRev and I are gonna pray you through! LOL!

I heard it's hot down there too. But I'll still wear a sweater to church.....hahaha!

You might want to rethink that.....the heat index today was 110 - I don't need to be prayed through - - I am prayed through (being here helps in that area)!

[Nahum]

Hmmm...is this a typo...did you accidently type "mod"?

If IAM is a mod, I am Larry Booker, and folks......


I AIN'T LARRY BOOKER!

[HeavenlyOne]

You might want to rethink that.....the heat index today was 110 - I don't need to be prayed through - - I am prayed through (being here helps in that area)!

LOL! I hear that!

About the sweater, I freeze in church. You'd think I'd be sweating bullets instead with the convicting preaching and all! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

If IAM is a mod, I am Larry Booker, and folks......


I AIN'T LARRY BOOKER!

Thank God for that!!!

[stmatthew]

Unless you know who the admin is posting a 'moderating' post (unless they post it under their own name), I'm not sure there is a way to tell from our side.

But it recently happened to me that was caught a month later, wasn't against the rules, and nobody complained, yet I was warned...whether or not it was because I'm considered a lib is anyone's guess though. I'm not going there.

In your case, we shot first, and asked questions later :D.

No really, it was a group effort. It was something that we all came to the same conclusion on. If it had been recent, we may have acted differently. But it was not caught because NO ONE EVER USES THE REPORT POST BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope everyone knows that if you have an issue with a post, I am suggesting that you report it.

[Ferd]

Thanks Matt.

[stmatthew]

I love my new label...and I LOVE that I have Matt fooled... :evilglee






:toofunny

You are mod in your spelling, and lib in your views!


:killinme

[stmatthew]

If IAM is a mod, I am Larry Booker, and folks......


I AIN'T LARRY BOOKER!

But he is friends with NLYP. He CAINT BE JUST A CON.

[Ferd]

But he is friends with NLYP. He CAINT BE JUST A CON.

Con Missionary?

[Ron]

Who made this a "sticky?":hmmm






:hypercoffee

[stmatthew]

I think some posters are upset how Dan was treated (see Ronzo's blog thread) and now MOW leaves because he feels there is censorship going on...and GC is around the corner....so things are amusingly spicy right now. :poloroid


Dan did wrong. I was the one that banned him. His thread pushed the line and was inappropriate for a Christian forum. RandyWayne was also banned from that thread for masking a cuss word. This is a Christian Forum, and that type of posting was not right, and was according to our rules a bannable offense. Dan is good at pushing the limits. This time he exceeded them. He is welcome back when his ban is up.

[HeavenlyOne]

In your case, we shot first, and asked questions later :D.

No really, it was a group effort. It was something that we all came to the same conclusion on. If it had been recent, we may have acted differently. But it was not caught because NO ONE EVER USES THE REPORT POST BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope everyone knows that if you have an issue with a post, I am suggesting that you report it.

I don't think there was anything to report in that post. Believe me, if the person had an issue and thought I'd be reprimanded or worse for what I said, she'd have reported it 18 times an hour until you responded! LOL!

It was only 'caught' when the thread was bumped. Also, while my PM said it was against the rules, I saw nothing in the rules referring to what I'd done. In fact, I've seen others post about other posters as I'd done. No big deal, right? ;D

Fact is, nobody had an issue with that post and it wasn't reported. It was simply that when the thread was bumped after being dormant for a month, my post being the last one before the bump, it was seen by an admin who took action.

I have to admit I was upset and offended at first, thinking I was given an infraction (because that was in the PM subject line), but when I found out it was just a warning, it was cool!

And I believe that you would, in my case, shoot first! LOL! :D

[J-Roc]

Dan did wrong. I was the one that banned him. His thread pushed the line and was inappropriate for a Christian forum. RandyWayne was also banned from that thread for masking a cuss word. This is a Christian Forum, and that type of posting was not right, and was according to our rules a bannable offense. Dan is good at pushing the limits. This time he exceeded them. He is welcome back when his ban is up.


Well, I do recall Admins having fun on that thread and even one had some fun mentioning something about their 9 yr ol son....did they miss it?

[HeavenlyOne]

Dan did wrong. I was the one that banned him. His thread pushed the line and was inappropriate for a Christian forum. RandyWayne was also banned from that thread for masking a cuss word. This is a Christian Forum, and that type of posting was not right, and was according to our rules a bannable offense. Dan is good at pushing the limits. This time he exceeded them. He is welcome back when his ban is up.

I don't feel that RW did that maliciously, but instead, was making a point.

But hey, you do what you gotta do. I just found it funny that Tribble once made a post with a bunch of cuss words (yes, I know you weren't admin or anything, just making a point here) spelled out and all, but since it was informative of the point he was making, it was ok, even though my eyes were burning reading it!

[stmatthew]

I don't think there was anything to report in that post. Believe me, if the person had an issue and thought I'd be reprimanded or worse for what I said, she'd have reported it 18 times an hour until you responded! LOL!

It was only 'caught' when the thread was bumped. Also, while my PM said it was against the rules, I saw nothing in the rules referring to what I'd done. In fact, I've seen others post about other posters as I'd done. No big deal, right? ;D

Fact is, nobody had an issue with that post and it wasn't reported. It was simply that when the thread was bumped after being dormant for a month, my post being the last one before the bump, it was seen by an admin who took action.

I have to admit I was upset and offended at first, thinking I was given an infraction (because that was in the PM subject line), but when I found out it was just a warning, it was cool!

And I believe that you would, in my case, shoot first! LOL! :D

What are friends for??!!?? :killinme

[HeavenlyOne]

What are friends for??!!?? :killinme

I hear ya on that! LR shoots me all the time!

BTW, we're going to be in Memphis on Sunday. You should come out with us to eat lunch!

[stmatthew]

Well, I do recall Admins having fun on that thread and even one had some fun mentioning something about their 9 yr ol son....did they miss it?

I cannot say about anyone else. I can only state what I saw, and what I did about it. Just another admin didn't take action does not mean it is ok. The post was reported, and several had posted that they were offended by the time I got there.

Cussing, even if veiled, does not belong on this forum. We are Christians.

[rgcraig]

ChT - - the button worked!

[J-Roc]

I cannot say about anyone else. I can only state what I saw, and what I did about it. Just another admin didn't take action does not mean it is ok. The post was reported, and several had posted that they were offended by the time I got there.

Cussing, even if veiled, does not belong on this forum. We are Christians.


No problem....either way, I was just commenting on Renda's statement about tonight.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I believe the admin and mods are doing a great job,and nobody has to explain anything to me ,yall are doing a good job.

[StillStanding]

May I suggest a slight change in the mission statement?

Previous:

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins, and that Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.

New:

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. They also believe in Jesus name baptism and the oneness of the Godhead. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.

I believe that this eliminates the propagation of the trinity doctrine and atheism, while allowing the freedom to post differences of opinion within the Apostolic church.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Pianoman that would work for me.

[ReformedDave]

Hey folks!!!! This is JUST an internet forum. I enjoy it too but my life doesn't revolve around it. Get a life!:drama

[rgcraig]

Hey folks!!!! This is JUST an internet forum. I enjoy it too but my life doesn't revolve around it. Get a life!:drama

:killinme

[Scott Hutchinson]

If one doesn't like what happens here,well they can just go and read a RC. Sproul book.

[rgcraig]

Ho - the button worked.

Thanks!

[Amos]

If IAM is a mod, I am Larry Booker, and folks......


I AIN'T LARRY BOOKER!


I know him well. Have for years.

I would describe him as a mod with conservative leanings.

[SarahElizabeth]

I believe the admin and mods are doing a great job,and nobody has to explain anything to me ,yall are doing a good job.

Posts like this one will always keep Scott Hutchison the "resident peacmeaker"

[Scott Hutchinson]

SE, thank you girl, I like it here.

[Nahum]

I know him well. Have for years.

I would describe him as a mod with conservative leanings.

Yeah, but to you Epley is a mod.


LOL

[Scott Hutchinson]

Cotton Mather is a Con ?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Posts like this one will always keep Scott Hutchison the "resident peacmeaker"

You did not see the Reported Post.

Oh the angst and turmoil this man creates!!!
:sshhh









j/k Bro Scott! :killinme

[Ferd]

Cotton Mather is a Con ?

I dont know about con but he thinks Jesus is coming back next tuesday at 3pm.

no wait, the thursday after next tuesday at 415am

no wait 37 days from the third thursday in August at high noon. be at the farm!

[Amos]

Yeah, but to you Epley is a mod.


LOL


Oh no...Brother Epley is more conservative than either IAM or myself.

[Nahum]

Cotton Mather is a Con ?

Cotton Mather is a genius. Just ask him.

[stmatthew]

I got a fever, and the only cure is..................................:cowbell

[Nahum]

Oh no...Brother Epley is more conservative than either IAM or myself.

Okay, I only believe it because you said so though.


That is to say that I cautiously believe you.

[Thumper]

Hey folks!!!! This is JUST an internet forum. I enjoy it too but my life doesn't revolve around it. Get a life!:drama

thats kinda been my thoughts too but somehow i managed to offend Ferd while using way to many words to say the same thing.

[Nahum]

Hey folks!!!! This is JUST an internet forum. I enjoy it too but my life doesn't revolve around it. Get a life!:drama


R U serious?

Just an internet forum?


I'm crushed!

[Ferd]

thats kinda been my thoughts too but somehow i managed to offend Ferd while using way to many words to say the same thing.

you and a knucle head. Thumper do you not see my point there? it was me in the cross hairs buddy.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

thats kinda been my thoughts too but somehow i managed to offend Ferd while using way to many words to say the same thing.


I blame the loratab!

:sshhh

[Nahum]

thats kinda been my thoughts too but somehow i managed to offend Ferd while using way to many words to say the same thing.

That's cause your post was way outa line.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here Bro.Ferd this is for you.
http://www.2007Rapture.com

[Ferd]

I dont know about con but he thinks Jesus is coming back next tuesday at 3pm.

no wait, the thursday after next tuesday at 415am

no wait 37 days from the third thursday in August at high noon. be at the farm!

come on! this was GREAT and nobody got it???

[rgcraig]

Okay, I only believe it because you said so though.


That is to say that I cautiously believe you.

I believe Matt has it right and Amos has confirmed it.

I mean, Iam hasn't told me I'm going to hell in a hand basket.

[Ferd]

Here Bro.Ferd this is for you.
http://www.2007.Rapture.com

LOL! thanks Scott.

[StillStanding]

May I suggest a slight change in the mission statement?

Previous:
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins, and that Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.


New:

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum, Apostolic being defined as follows:

Apostolic is defined on AFF as those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. They also believe in Jesus name baptism and the oneness of the Godhead. That the Holy Ghost is for today, and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life pleasing to God.

I believe that this eliminates the propagation of the trinity doctrine and atheism, while allowing the freedom to post differences of opinion within the Apostolic church.

The reason for the suggested change is because some like myself don't believe that those that don't see eye to eye with us on the godhead or baptism formula are necessarily lost! :eek:

[Nahum]

come on! this was GREAT and nobody got it???

Not really.

Explain yourself.:ernie

[Ferd]

I blame the loratab!

:sshhh

Norco. but nobody knows what that is.

[Ferd]

Not really.

Explain yourself.:ernie

Cotton Mather predicted the rapture, then revised several times after his date came and went...

[Nahum]

I believe Matt has it right and Amos has confirmed it.

I mean, Iam hasn't told me I'm going to hell in a hand basket.

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

[Nahum]

Cotton Mather predicted the rapture, then revised several times after his date came and went...

Hmmm, where is that Cotton Mather guy when you need him?

[Ferd]

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

Just dont tell Amos the gubberment is comeing for his milk cow!


night night!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

I was con until NYLP started calling me too.....

:telephone

[rgcraig]

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

You are a mod.

He said IAM was a mod to con.....big diff.

[ReformedDave]

If one doesn't like what happens here,well they can just go and read a RC. Sproul book.

Got his new one right beside my bed!:nahnah

[Scott Hutchinson]

Bro.Ferd this is the link ,I meant for you to see.
This fellow might be at a farm.
http://rapture2007.com

[Thumper]

you and a knucle head. Thumper do you not see my point there? it was me in the cross hairs buddy.

i honestly didn't mean to be shooting at you. just that it seemed like people were taking the whole forum thing to seriously.

i well know you are commited to your church and the work of God. apologies to you.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Got his new one right beside my bed!:nahnah

I'm getting a copy of his book on Reformed Theology sssh, keep it a secret some might think I'm backslidden reading such a book though.

[ReformedDave]

you and a knucle head. Thumper do you not see my point there? it was me in the cross hairs buddy.

When you're so far out in left field like me nobody bothers you....or takes you seriously.:hypercoffee

[Thumper]

That's cause your post was way outa line.


if i offended you also i certainly apologize. that was not my intent.

[stmatthew]

The reason for the suggested change is because some like myself don't believe that those that don't see eye to eye with us on the godhead or baptism formula are necessarily lost! :eek:

PM,

The statement is not a salvational statement, but a doctrinal statement, and meant to be taken in its weakest, watered down forum. I strived to place the bare minimum into it that we wanted to be identified with. Our basis for fellowship here is simply that all of us agree that Acts 2:38 is in the bible, and is correct. That is about all it means. This is why I found it so hard to believe that some would balk on it.


Now about meeting for lunch sometime in the future............

[ReformedDave]

I'm getting a copy of his book on Reformed Theology sssh, keep it a secret some might think I'm backslidden reading such a book though.

When you do tell me the name of it.............

[SarahElizabeth]

Jesus probably hates all these "categories".........His WORD commands against it.

If we DO NOT compare ourselves among ourselves as the Bible tells us, we DO NOT have these "categories"


SELAH

Please think about that....Isn't that AS MUCH of a commandment as Acts 2:38 or Acts 2:39??????

......I almost feel like giving myself a "POST OF THE DAY" Award.

2 Corinthians 10:12
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

(THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THE CORINTHIANS!!!!!!!)

[Scott Hutchinson]

When you do tell me the name of it.............

I'm also reading one by David Chilton.

[Amos]

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

Most folks consider themselves mods unless they pride themselves on the extremity of their positions, either con or lib.

All of us think we define the middle, generally speaking.

IAM is what I would call a conservative leaning moderate.

I would call you a moderate leaning lib, or perhaps a liberal leaning moderate.

[stmatthew]

That Amos is a purdy smart feller.

I'm still not totally sold on the idea that IAM is a mod though.

IIIIIIIIIII am a mod, and IAM makes me look like Corinthian Keith.

I am still cracking up over this!!!!!!!



ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Ho - the button worked.

Thanks!

The button worked, but you didn't take action against the poster! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

You did not see the Reported Post.

Oh the angst and turmoil this man creates!!!
:sshhh









j/k Bro Scott! :killinme


LOL! You saw it too?

[HeavenlyOne]

Norco. but nobody knows what that is.

I do, but not because I'm a nurse. I thought I had some and was looking for it tonight! Great stuff! LOL!

[rgcraig]

The button worked, but you didn't take action against the poster! LOL!

This brings up a GREAT point - - how do you know?

You don't.

We have some that complain that nothing has been done and there's no way they would know what we've done. We don't start a thread to say, "Due to a reported post, HO is NOW infracted"! :angelsad

[StillStanding]

PM,

The statement is not a salvational statement, but a doctrinal statement, and meant to be taken in its weakest, watered down forum. I strived to place the bare minimum into it that we wanted to be identified with. Our basis for fellowship here is simply that all of us agree that Acts 2:38 is in the bible, and is correct. That is about all it means. This is why I found it so hard to believe that some would balk on it.


Now about meeting for lunch sometime in the future............

I understand what you're saying, but highlighting Acts 2:28 as the only scriptural reference seems to infer the three-stepper position. Those of the PCI position put equal emphasis on other scriptures such as John 3:16.

I'm just trying to see if a statement can be written that can satisfy MOW and others as to the forums direction and agenda. Folks like MOW and others take things like this seriously.

Me? I'll keep posting my views until I get kicked off! :D

Lunch sounds good to me! I'll be gone until next week. We're spending the next four days in Galtlinburg at a mountain cabin! :)

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't remember me doing no reported post.

[ReformedDave]

I'm also reading one by David Chilton.

I run hot and cold with him. I have real problems with his philosophy of interpretation when it comes to eschatology. On some other things he does a brilliant job.

[HeavenlyOne]

This brings up a GREAT point - - how do you know?

You don't.

We have some that complain that nothing has been done and there's no way they would know what we've done. We don't start a thread to say, "Due to a reported post, HO is NOW infracted"! :angelsad

LOL!!!

So, did you infract him for kissing up to admin???? You can PM me about it instead.......

;)

[Tina]

Goodness - did everyone stay home from church tonight?

No. I went, Just got home at about 9:20, and finally finished reading a few threads I needed to catch up on.


RE Dan and his latest fiasco.....not the smartest thing he ever posted, was it?

I think he was testing the waters, and found that he can still get banned!


IMO, NO... it wasn't the smartest thing he ever posted. His comment to Mal in the thread about "someone having to keep the admins in a tizzy" probably confirmed that he was just trying to see how far he could go.

The button worked, but you didn't take action against the poster! LOL!

You think we're supposed to make announcements when we do take action? The report was hilarious. I almost PMed you and said maybe we liked that... but changed my mind because with all the other stuff being said, you might have taken it serious!! LOL

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

The button worked, but you didn't take action against the poster! LOL!

LOL! You saw it too?

I did

:hypercoffee

[HeavenlyOne]

I understand what you're saying, but highlighting Acts 2:28 as the only scriptural reference seems to infer the three-stepper position. Those of the PCI position put equal emphasis on other scriptures such as John 3:16.

I'm just trying to see if a statement can be written that can satisfy MOW and others as to the forums direction and agenda. Folks like MOW and others take things like this seriously.

Me? I'll keep posting my views until I get kicked off! :D

Lunch sounds good to me! I'll be gone until next week. We're spending the next four days in Galtlinburg at a mountain cabin! :)

I think you are forgetting something.......like, my Steinway that you promised me!!!

I'm in the area on Sunday. Drop it off at Renda's and she can deliver it to me. :D

[stmatthew]

I understand what you're saying, but highlighting Acts 2:28 as the only scriptural reference seems to infer the three-stepper position. Those of the PCI position put equal emphasis on other scriptures such as John 3:16.

I'm just trying to see if a statement can be written that can satisfy MOW and others as to the forums direction and agenda. Folks like MOW and others take things like this seriously.

Me? I'll keep posting my views until I get kicked off! :D

Lunch sounds good to me! I'll be gone until next week. We're spending the next four days in Galtlinburg at a mountain cabin! :)

Mow was anti-statement. That was one of the issues.


I can't believe you would not take a few moments for friends like me and CC1, and drive over her to meet us for lunch. I am deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply hurt! Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply hurt!





:driving

[HeavenlyOne]

No. I went, Just got home at about 9:20, and finally finished reading a few threads I needed to catch up on.




IMO, NO... it wasn't the smartest thing he ever posted. His comment to Mal in the thread about "someone having to keep the admins in a tizzy" probably confirmed that he was just trying to see how far he could go.



You think we're supposed to make announcements when we do take action? The report was hilarious. I almost PMed you and said maybe we liked that... but changed my mind because with all the other stuff being said, you might have taken it serious!! LOL

Oh, I do take it serious.........mainly because I do it so much myself!! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

I did

:hypercoffee

You did what, saw it or take action?

[HeavenlyOne]

Mow was anti-statement. That was one of the issues.


I can't believe you would not take a few moments for friends like me and CC1, and drive over her to meet us for lunch. I am deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply hurt! Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply hurt!





:driving

How far are you from Memphis? Renda, LadyRev and I need someone to buy our lunch!!

[Felicity]

Bias is part of life. I like and prefer it when it's in my favour. :toofunny

[rgcraig]

I think you are forgetting something.......like, my Steinway that you promised me!!!

I'm in the area on Sunday. Drop it off at Renda's and she can deliver it to me. :D

3 hrs. away isn't quite in the area.

[rgcraig]

Bias is part of life. I like and prefer it when it's in my favour. :toofunny

LOL....but, you don't when it's not! :nah

[stmatthew]

How far are you from Memphis? Renda, LadyRev and I need someone to buy our lunch!!

You are looking for Pianoman, not me. I live on handouts.

Honestly, if I could, Traci and I would venture that way.

[Felicity]

LOL....but, you don't when it's not! :nah Not much. :sad

[rgcraig]

Not much. :sad
LOL!

[Felicity]

I just love everybody. :largehalo

[rgcraig]

I just love everybody. :largehalo

:roseglasses As long as I wear these - I do too!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

You did what, saw it or take action?

Yes I did.

:kittyhug

[Ferd]

i honestly didn't mean to be shooting at you. just that it seemed like people were taking the whole forum thing to seriously.

i well know you are commited to your church and the work of God. apologies to you.

Thanks for that. God bless.

[Pressing-On]

Well, I couldn't decide whether I wanted to read through all these pages or read an article by Ann Coulter. I have both tabs open. :hypercoffee

Every single page, you see my choice (:D), was well written. Everyone on this Board is awesome.

St. Matt - you are an awesome leader of the pack!

And The Mrs is liberal - soooooo - forget about it!!!!

:killinme

[mizpeh]

When you do tell me the name of it.............

Is there a difference between evangelical and reformed theologies?

[ReformedDave]

Is there a difference between evangelical and reformed theologies?

Reformed theology traditionally comes out of the reformation and especially the thought of Luther, Baucer, Zwingli, Knox, and most of all John Calvin. Evangelicalism is a very broad brush.

[The Dean]

According to Thumper (and supported by the dean) I at least either dont attend church or dont support it anyway.

Hmmmmmm. I have to tell you, friend, I'm completely lost on this post. I don't recall hearing anything about you not attending or supporting Church.

I would have never implied something like that.

[HeavenlyOne]

3 hrs. away isn't quite in the area.

I believe that Pianoman could make a way!

[The Dean]

Yeah, that little comment really torques me.

I hate the whole "secret, super-powerful, anonymous admin" thing.

The Dean needs to reveal his true identity, or post under his common username. His name makes him seem as though he is the post powerful owner/admin on the board.

You have GOT to be kidding! :killinme

Did it ever dawn on you that Dean might be my name? :killinme

[HeavenlyOne]

You are looking for Pianoman, not me. I live on handouts.

Honestly, if I could, Traci and I would venture that way.

I'd love to see you all again. I look nothing like I did before......in so many ways!

LR would love to meet you too.

[The Dean]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.



Dean - con
IAM - mod to con (he can't be con cause he goes on cruises :))

But honestly these 2 do not do much moderating.


(I have been on 5 cruises. Am I upgraded to Mod?)

[Pressing-On]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - liberal deluxe



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.


(I have been on 5 cruises. Am I upgraded to Mod?)

Self-moderated and fixed your post. :D This is a self-moderating Board right?

:killinme

[HeavenlyOne]

(I have been on 5 cruises. Am I upgraded to Mod?)

Five cruises makes you a lib mod. LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

Self-moderated and fixed your post. :D This is a self-moderating Board right?

:killinme

Try again. LOL!

[Pressing-On]

Five cruises makes you a lib mod. LOL!

He said, "Bermuda". Doesn't matter he wasn't wearing them. He just said the word. Counts as a lib mod.

[Pressing-On]

Try again. LOL!

Who are we changing? PM me and I'll fix it.

:killinme

[HeavenlyOne]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.


(I have been on 5 cruises. Am I upgraded to Mod?)

THIS is fixing his post.

I'm hired!

[HeavenlyOne]

Who are we changing? PM me and I'll fix it.

:killinme

The PM setting is for 10,000 characters in one PM......maybe an email? LOL!

[Pressing-On]

THIS is fixing his post.

I'm hired!

No, no, no. The Mrs. is liberal!!!!

[Pressing-On]

The PM setting is for 10,000 characters in one PM......maybe an email? LOL!
:killinme:killinme:killinme

[stmatthew]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.


(I have been on 5 cruises. Am I upgraded to Mod?)

The Slippery Slope has begun.


:angelsad

[The Mrs]

No, no, no. The Mrs. is liberal!!!!

Only on the outside!!!! :razz

[Pressing-On]

Only on the outside!!!! :razz
So what's on the inside coming out on the outside?

:killinme:killinme

[Ron]

So what's on the inside coming out on the outside?

:killinme:killinme


??????:uhoh

[Pressing-On]

??????:uhoh

:killinme

Your eye is twitching!!!

I was thinking of that song - Something on the inside working on the outside....

Thus, my post.

[J-Roc]

Lets look at the administration team and see who is who.

St Matthew - I am mod to con
Boom - con
Prax - mod
Renda - lib
Esther - mod to con
Jeanie - mod to lib (her husband is a Corinthian )
Lisa - mod
Man of Word - lib
Malvaro - con
Tina - mod
The Mrs - mod to lib



So given our staff here, we are pretty balanced in the admin area. I find no "imbalance". What you folks don't realize is that ALL actions are reviewed by all the Admin that are available, so we have a balanced viewpoint.



Dean - con
IAM - mod to con (he can't be con cause he goes on cruises :))

But honestly these 2 do not do much moderating.



I didn't see CoonMaster on that list...is he an Admin? Where does he categorize?

[Ferd]

I didn't see CoonMaster on that list...is he an Admin? Where does he categorize?

MIA.

Coonskinner has never been part of any ownership/admin group.

[Coonskinner]

MIA.

Coonskinner has never been part of any ownership/admin group.

No, I have not.

I can be a glutton for punishment sometimes, but not quite to that degree.:)

For the record, I am sorry for the sake of the board that MOW felt he had to step down.

But I have to say from reading these threads this morning that it really doesn't look like anything really nefarious happened; it just looks to me like a man decided to do something else with his time for personal reasons.

To try and paint this as some kind of cosmic zoroastrian struggle between libs and cons seems a bit much.

It looks as if he had issues with the way "Apostolic" was being defined for purposes of the forum.

And, i might add, the definition given was broad enough to include those who don't keep standards, as well as those of PCI persuasion and leanings.

So it seems like it was left pretty broad and general to me.

If he didn't feel comfortable with that, he is within his rights to do as he liked.

He will be missed around here for sure as a level headed and upbeat poster with a good head on his shoulders.

Anyway, there it is from "the mouth (keyboard actually) of Coonskinner.":)

[J-Roc]

MIA.

Coonskinner has never been part of any ownership/admin group.


I was referring to CoonMaster and not Coonskinner... Skinner already clarified in a thread I posted in July that he only has one username...so I was not implying it was the skinner...but there does appear on the admin list someone that goes by CoonMaster....see link below

If I thought it was Coonskinner, I already know where he categorizes...but I take CS at his word that it is not him.



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showgroups.php

[Ferd]

No, I have not.

I can be a glutton for punishment sometimes, but not quite to that degree.:)

For the record, I am sorry for the sake of the board that MOW felt he had to step down.

But I have to say from reading these threads this morning that it really doesn't look like anything really nefarious happened; it just looks to me like a man decided to do something else with his time for personal reasons.

To try and paint this as some kind of cosmic zoroastrian struggle between libs and cons seems a bit much.

It looks as if he had issues with the way "Apostolic" was being defined for purposes of the forum.

And, i might add, the definition given was broad enough to include those who don't keep standards, as well as those of PCI persuasion and leanings.

So it seems like it was left pretty broad and general to me.

If he didn't feel comfortable with that, he is within his rights to do as he liked.

He will be missed around here for sure as a level headed and upbeat poster with a good head on his shoulders.

Anyway, there it is from "the mouth (keyboard actually) of Coonskinner.":)

I am glad to see you havent abandoned AFF.

[Elizabeth]

Hello CS!:waving

[Scott Hutchinson]

Once upon a time ,I was a admin on FCF. I don't admin anymore where at the moment.

[J-Roc]

Once upon a time ,I was a admin on FCF. I don't admin anymore where at the moment.

Yeah, I'm sure you'd let everyone off on "good time" and hand out milk and cookies to all those in cyber-prison...you're just too nice... :roseglasses

[Pressing-On]

Yeah, I'm sure you'd let everyone off on "good time" and hand out milk and cookies to all those in cyber-prison...you're just too nice... :roseglasses
I have a sneaky suspicion that Brutha Scott would "stick to his guns" if he thought it was absolutely necessary to do so! :thumbsup

[Sandra]

StMatt admit it you are a LIB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Ron]

:killinme

Your eye is twitching!!!



I can't help it! It happens every time I laugh!:hypercoffee

[Ron]

No, I have not.

I can be a glutton for punishment sometimes, but not quite to that degree.:)

For the record, I am sorry for the sake of the board that MOW felt he had to step down.

But I have to say from reading these threads this morning that it really doesn't look like anything really nefarious happened; it just looks to me like a man decided to do something else with his time for personal reasons.

To try and paint this as some kind of cosmic zoroastrian struggle between libs and cons seems a bit much.

It looks as if he had issues with the way "Apostolic" was being defined for purposes of the forum.

And, i might add, the definition given was broad enough to include those who don't keep standards, as well as those of PCI persuasion and leanings.

So it seems like it was left pretty broad and general to me.

If he didn't feel comfortable with that, he is within his rights to do as he liked.

He will be missed around here for sure as a level headed and upbeat poster with a good head on his shoulders.

Anyway, there it is from "the mouth (keyboard actually) of Coonskinner.":)

Good to see you CS. You are missed.
You are one of the reasons this place is worthwhile coming around to.

I pray that you and your family are Blessed!

[Steve Epley]

Mow got converted went to join the AMF but it was too liberal for him he is off the internet and got rid of his phone service he is using carrier pigeons.

[retsambeW]

Mow got converted went to join the AMF but it was too liberal for him he is off the internet and got rid of his phone service he is using carrier pigeons.

I heard Pony Express.....



:D

[Michael Phelps]

I am here for any questions or comments, but I am not going to argue with anyone in this thread.

Matt, one question: Why are we so opposed to trinitarians posting here? If we know what we believe, I think it would make for healthy debate to have some trinitarians posting so we could discuss........we don't have to agree, but as you said, this is a forum, and I don't think we should be afraid of opposing viewpoints.

I've found that usually the only people who don't want to entertain opposing viewpoints are people who are not thorougly convinced of what THEY believe.

That's just my humble opinion.........

[Coonskinner]

Matt, one question: Why are we so opposed to trinitarians posting here? If we know what we believe, I think it would make for healthy debate to have some trinitarians posting so we could discuss........we don't have to agree, but as you said, this is a forum, and I don't think we should be afraid of opposing viewpoints.

I've found that usually the only people who don't want to entertain opposing viewpoints are people who are not thorougly convinced of what THEY believe.

That's just my humble opinion.........

Brother Phelps,

I can't speak for the owners, but I know personally that I wouldn't give a wooden nickel to keep a place open for a trinitarian to spout his views.

This is a place for debate among Apostolics or those of Apostolic heritage to discuss issues pertinent to the movement; the Godhead issue is settled for almost all of us.

No point in debating that here. There are lots of places to do that if you want.

[Coonskinner]

There is another type of person who doesn't care much about entertaining opposing viewpoints; the person who is so thoroughly convinced that he isn't interested in wasting time arguing about what is a settled issue.

[retsambeW]

Have to agree with he who skins coons.



:D

[Coonskinner]

Have to agree with he who skins coons.



:D

Good to see you, O Webmasterly One.

I will be in Mississippi next week; will you?

[retsambeW]

Good to see you, O Webmasterly One.

I will be in Mississippi next week; will you?


Not this year, my friend. I am in deep with a project I am working on for my pastor. Also, he will be leaving, I think, the week after to go to a wedding in Texas. To clearify, he is going, I just do not remember the week. He will be gone 7 days, during which time, I handle all the pastoral duties. So, gotta gear up for that.

Also, The church here takes care of my conference expenses, so I have to choose wisely which ones I go to...can't make all of them. If the upcoming GC was not so vitally important, I would much rather attend the conference in Mississippi. Believe me, it has been an awesome experience that I shall never, ever forget. I still remember you praying for me at the second one I went to.

[Coonskinner]

Not this year, my friend. I am in deep with a project I am working on for my pastor. Also, he will be leaving, I think, the week after to go to a wedding in Texas. To clearify, he is going, I just do not remember the week. He will be gone 7 days, during which time, I handle all the pastoral duties. So, gotta gear up for that.

Also, The church here takes care of my conference expenses, so I have to choose wisely which ones I go to...can't make all of them. If the upcoming GC was not so vitally important, I would much rather attend the conference in Mississippi. Believe me, it has been an awesome experience that I shall never, ever forget. I still remember you praying for me at the second one I went to.


Maybe we can get together in Tampa if I go.

I will miss seeing you this year in Madison.

By the way, I remember that prayer also...

[retsambeW]

Maybe we can get together in Tampa if I go.

I will miss seeing you this year in Madison.

By the way, I remember that prayer also...


Yeah...I shoulda listened to God's voice then....


:)

[The Mrs]

Brother Phelps,

I can't speak for the owners, but I know personally that I wouldn't give a wooden nickel to keep a place open for a trinitarian to spout his views.

This is a place for debate among Apostolics or those of Apostolic heritage to discuss issues pertinent to the movement; the Godhead issue is settled for almost all of us.

No point in debating that here. There are lots of places to do that if you want.


While I won't presume to speak for the owners either, I will bring to rememberance that according to the rules of this forum, those of other faiths are welcome here and encouraged to bring topics to the table.

We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ. We do not, however, give place for the tearing down, or destruction of, Apostolic doctrine, or the Christian faith in any form. The propagation of atheism is not welcome here.


My understanding is, while we don't discourage those with other viewpoints from discussing and debating various topics, they will be welcome until they come to a place of beligerence and tearing down of the Apostolic faith. Sometimes that is a fine line.

[Michael Phelps]

While I won't presume to speak for the owners either, I will bring to rememberance that according to the rules of this forum, those of other faiths are welcome here and encouraged to bring topics to the table.

We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ. We do not, however, give place for the tearing down, or destruction of, Apostolic doctrine, or the Christian faith in any form. The propagation of atheism is not welcome here.


My understanding is, while we don't discourage those with other viewpoints from discussing and debating various topics, they will be welcome until they come to a place of beligerence and tearing down of the Apostolic faith. Sometimes that is a fine line.

Thank you, Mrs..........this was my point exactly.

CS, if you want to block those of opposing doctrinal viewpoints, and merely discuss things amongst Apostolics, I'm told that there are plenty of places to do that too.

Sometimes the benefit is experienced by the lurkers and readers more than the participants.

[Timmy]

While I won't presume to speak for the owners either, I will bring to rememberance that according to the rules of this forum, those of other faiths are welcome here and encouraged to bring topics to the table.

We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ. We do not, however, give place for the tearing down, or destruction of, Apostolic doctrine, or the Christian faith in any form. The propagation of atheism is not welcome here.


My understanding is, while we don't discourage those with other viewpoints from discussing and debating various topics, they will be welcome until they come to a place of beligerence and tearing down of the Apostolic faith. Sometimes that is a fine line.

As one who is of another faith, and also one who may have crossed that fine line at times, I appreciate the welcome and the tolerance that I've been shown.

[Margies3]

Brother Phelps,

I can't speak for the owners, but I know personally that I wouldn't give a wooden nickel to keep a place open for a trinitarian to spout his views.

This is a place for debate among Apostolics or those of Apostolic heritage to discuss issues pertinent to the movement; the Godhead issue is settled for almost all of us.

No point in debating that here. There are lots of places to do that if you want.

It's things like this that make me understand why MOW decided not to stay here. :(

If you are so right about what you believe (and I do believe you are right!), why do you feel so threatened by someone who questions what you believe? You don't know the hearts of people. For all you know, the person who is most belligerent is also the person who is most searching. You would stand in the way of that???

[Steve Epley]

The forum is extremely tolerant toward libs and those who are not Apostolic. However I think they really didn't want a takeover. We have discussed various subjects many times pointed and sometimes heated but I think it has been fair when balanced out. Those offended shouldn't be after this is an APOSTOLIC forum that allows others to discuss with us without taking over. Within what is called Apostolic there is great latitude. I think they are doing a good job.

[Margies3]

The forum is extremely tolerant toward libs and those who are not Apostolic. However I think they really didn't want a takeover. We have discussed various subjects many times pointed and sometimes heated but I think it has been fair when balanced out. Those offended shouldn't be after this is an APOSTOLIC forum that allows others to discuss with us without taking over. Within what is called Apostolic there is great latitude. I think they are doing a good job.

I agree with you, Bro Epley. I think there have been some great conversations. My point was that, if I was reading things right, it sounded to me like Coonskinner would like to see all discussions about things like the Trinity/Oneness issue to be disallowed. I would hate to see that happen.

[Felicity]

The only way it can stay balanced is for the conservatives to continue to take part in discussion. If they leave then we lose that good kind of tension we need to keep things interesting and that provides balance as well.

[rgcraig]

The only way it can stay balanced is for the conservatives to continue to take part in discussion. If they leave then we lose that good kind of tension we need to keep things interesting and that provides balance as well.

Exactly! Leaving because someone steps on your toes about your beliefs only allows them more ground to spout off. We need everyone.

[Coonskinner]

It's things like this that make me understand why MOW decided not to stay here. :(

If you are so right about what you believe (and I do believe you are right!), why do you feel so threatened by someone who questions what you believe? You don't know the hearts of people. For all you know, the person who is most belligerent is also the person who is most searching. You would stand in the way of that???

margie,

I don't feel threatened in any way.

[Felicity]

Exactly! Leaving because someone steps on your toes about your beliefs only allows them more ground to spout off. We need everyone.Right!

Besides that, I really love, respect and appreciate many of those who are labeled "conservative". There's a comfort level that I feel with them and they continue to emphasize and remind us of things that many seem to have forgotten or want to forget.

I don't want to forget.

[Esther]

Exactly! Leaving because someone steps on your toes about your beliefs only allows them more ground to spout off. We need everyone.

You're right!

[Esther]

margie,

I don't feel threatened in any way.

Is that because you have coon dogs?


j/k:)

[J-Roc]

Right!

Besides that, I really love, respect and appreciate many of those who are labeled "conservative". There's a comfort level that I feel with them and they continue to emphasize and remind us of things that many seem to have forgotten or want to forget.

I don't want to forget.

Right on, Sis...I know what you mean...there is a level of safety and comfort that I get from knowing there are Libs here that can make me feel protected from the Borg Mentality :evilglee and the :koolaid


:highfive

[Lost]

Right on, Sis...I know what you mean...there is a level of safety and comfort that I get from knowing there are Libs here that can make me feel protected from the Borg Mentality :evilglee and the :koolaid

:highfive

I doubt they'd share their Koolaid with a left-winger like you. :nah

[Lost]

The only way it can stay balanced is for the conservatives to continue to take part in discussion. If they leave then we lose that good kind of tension we need to keep things interesting and that provides balance as well.

Maybe some of the Cons aren't participating because they're sick of some of the bottom-feeder posters constantly bashing the "UPC mothership" as some have called it. It would seem that still hasn't gone out of style here on AFF.

I need to go find another "Standards" thread.

:sos

[stmatthew]

OK,

I am assuming that all questions have been asked. I am closing this thread as well as the others that have questioned admin. Any further questions need to be directed to admin via PM, and not on the forum.