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berkeley
02-28-2007, 11:32 PM
I ran into a conservative at Radiology this morning. I haven't seen her in several yrs. She got married and moved away. She happens to be in town visiting her family.. but yeah...

Anyway, we got a talkin! She asked why she hasn't seen me in church. I told her that I don't do the "standards," and therefore I will not attend a conservative church for the sake of peace, etc.

She tells me "don't worry about standards right now.. they will come in time."
and I thought.. Okay, Almost ten yrs later, if "standards" were going to be in my heart, I'd think they'd be written on the flesh tablets by now!!

I just smiled at her and said "... pastor ---- is a good man! But I disagree with standards.. and that's that..."
The woman replies "..ask God and He will put the standards in your heart...." :eek:

and before I could say anything I was called in for X-rays.

I loove this woman. She and her family were always good to me. :) But I am amazed at that kind of thinking.. "ask God and He will put the standards in your heart.."


I'm just venting a little..

BoredOutOfMyMind
02-28-2007, 11:37 PM
I ran into a conservative at Radiology this morning. I haven't seen here in several yrs. She got married and moved away. She happens to be in town visiting her family.. but yeah...

Anyway, we got a talkin! She asked why she hasn't seen me in church. I told her that I don't do the "standards," and therefore I will not attend a conservative church for the sake of peace, etc.

She tells me "don't worry about standards right now.. they will come in time."
and I thought.. Okay, Almost ten yrs later, if "standards" were going to be in my heart, I'd think they'd be written on the flesh tablets by now!!

I just smiled at her and said "... pastor ---- is a good man! But I disagree with standards.. and that's that..."
The woman replies "..ask God and He will put the standards in your heart...." :eek:

and before I could say anything I was called in for X-rays.

I loove this woman. She and her family were always good to me. :) But I am amazed at that kind of thinking.. "ask God and He will put the standards in your heart.."


I'm just venting a little..

first the gas station now the xray.

Berk, what if you are wrong?

berkeley
02-28-2007, 11:39 PM
first the gas station now the xray.

Berk, what if you are wrong?
and at Subway this evening.... it's a small town man!!

Praxeas
02-28-2007, 11:41 PM
Pharoah Pharoah let this topic grow!

berkeley
02-28-2007, 11:42 PM
Pharoah Pharoah let this topic grow!:ty

BoredOutOfMyMind
03-01-2007, 12:02 AM
and at Subway this evening.... it's a small town man!!

I am in a town of 10000 and I do not see folk from our church as often as you do.....

It is a sign.

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:03 AM
I am in a town of 10000 and I do not see folk from our church as often as you do.....

It is a sign....a sign of what??

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:04 AM
whoah!! only 10 thousand folk... haha... ur in a smaller community than I.. or me.. or whatevah!

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:05 AM
ahh.. BOOMM, how many people attend your church??

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 12:05 AM
...a sign of what??
Move to a larger town?

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:06 AM
Move to a larger town?
:killinme

dude, if I move back to Hanford, I'd see the same people from this town there too!!

TRIPLE E
03-01-2007, 03:01 AM
I ran into a conservative at Radiology this morning. I haven't seen here in several yrs. She got married and moved away. She happens to be in town visiting her family.. but yeah...

Anyway, we got a talkin! She asked why she hasn't seen me in church. I told her that I don't do the "standards," and therefore I will not attend a conservative church for the sake of peace, etc.

She tells me "don't worry about standards right now.. they will come in time."
and I thought.. Okay, Almost ten yrs later, if "standards" were going to be in my heart, I'd think they'd be written on the flesh tablets by now!!

I just smiled at her and said "... pastor ---- is a good man! But I disagree with standards.. and that's that..."
The woman replies "..ask God and He will put the standards in your heart...." :eek:

and before I could say anything I was called in for X-rays.

I loove this woman. She and her family were always good to me. :) But I am amazed at that kind of thinking.. "ask God and He will put the standards in your heart.."


I'm just venting a little..

Berk why not open your heart and allow God to deal with all the issues you have ,especially the issue you have with "standards".Sometimes God is dealing with us,sends people along our path to show us the way.:grampa

Mike Williamson
03-01-2007, 05:22 AM
:killinme

dude, if I move back to Hanford, I'd see the same people from this town there too!!

What church DO you attend?

slave4him
03-01-2007, 05:56 AM
Don't be like Balaam. God used a Donkey talking to him and he still didn't fully listen lol.

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:38 PM
What church DO you attend?
Relevance???

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:38 PM
Don't be like Balaam. God used a Donkey talking to him and he still didn't fully listen lol.Now, if a donkey talked to me.. I would listen!!

QueenEsther
03-01-2007, 12:42 PM
Now, if a donkey talked to me.. I would listen!!

Don't be so sure!! I would say that if you keep running into these people maybe you should reconsider your stance on standards.

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 12:45 PM
I don't even see what problem a man would have with standards unless he was looking for a woman that looked like a hooch :killinme

SDG
03-01-2007, 12:48 PM
Berk attends the First Church of Baal.

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:48 PM
I don't even see what problem a man would have with standards unless he was looking for a woman that looked like a hooch :killinmehey, I don't care if you follow them.. just don't ask me to.. :)

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:48 PM
Berk attends the First Church of Baal.First Presbyterian.. :ranting

Sherri
03-01-2007, 12:49 PM
Berk, no one can answer this one for you but God. Search the Word and pray and then listen to Him and not to anyone else, conservative, mod, or liberal. It's between you and God alone.

berkeley
03-01-2007, 12:50 PM
Berk, no one can answer this one for you but God. Search the Word and pray and then listen to Him and not to anyone else, conservative, mod, or liberal. It's between you and God alone.

thanks..

how are things in Jackson.. I love the website..

Sherri
03-01-2007, 12:59 PM
thanks..

how are things in Jackson.. I love the website..
Awesome!! We're starting our third Sunday morning service this Sunday. It's called "the Edge" and will run at the same time as our regular 2nd service. It's in the youth room, which has big screens, a sound system like the regular auditorium, etc. We did it that way on purpose when we built in case we outgrew the sanctuary. It will have it's own edgy worship band (acoustic guitar driven), people more casual, and then after praise & worship, Eddie will be in there on the big screen, taped from the 9 AM service. We thought about doing it live, but we didn't want to interrupt worship if there was a move of God. At the end, there will be a pastor back there who will do an altar call or whatever he feels. We are excited about it and hope it draws in more people!!

We just started a Bible Study about a hour from here that Eddie & I are also doing, so we go there once a week. Life is crazy, but fun!

SDG
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
First Presbyterian.. :ranting

Same difference .... :sad

Carpenter
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Berk why not open your heart and allow God to deal with all the issues you have ,especially the issue you have with "standards".Sometimes God is dealing with us,sends people along our path to show us the way.:grampa

I kind of get tickled when folks say, things like this. What if an individual felt like they were actually spoken to by THE WORD and Almighty God that the standards as embraced by the Apostolic church are not pertinent for their salvation or the manifestation of the grace of God...

You folks would say this is a false prophet, the debbil speaking or something...

God can only be God if he agrees with your position?

Just checking...

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Awesome!! We're starting our third Sunday morning service this Sunday. It's called "the Edge" and will run at the same time as our regular 2nd service. It's in the youth room, which has big screens, a sound system like the regular auditorium, etc. We did it that way on purpose when we built in case we outgrew the sanctuary. It will have it's own edgy worship band (acoustic guitar driven), people more casual, and then after praise & worship, Eddie will be in there on the big screen, taped from the 9 AM service. We thought about doing it live, but we didn't want to interrupt worship if there was a move of God. At the end, there will be a pastor back there who will do an altar call or whatever he feels. We are excited about it and hope it draws in more people!!

We just started a Bible Study about a hour from here that Eddie & I are also doing, so we go there once a week. Life is crazy, but fun!

awesome report!! :bliss

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Same difference .... :sad
punk! lol

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:04 PM
I kind of get tickled when folks say, things like this. What if an individual felt like they were actually spoken to by THE WORD and Almighty God that the standards as embraced by the Apostolic church are not pertinent for their salvation or the manifestation of the grace of God...

You folks would say this is a false prophet, the debbil speaking or something...

God can only be God if he agrees with your position?

Just checking...
:thumbsup

SDG
03-01-2007, 01:05 PM
punk! lol

pagan.

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 01:06 PM
Same difference .... :sad
Hey..isn't that your church too? Maybe you will see him at some of the Baal conventions.... :killinme

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:06 PM
pagan.
I visit often.... weekly... it's in spanish, not like I understand what is being said...
and this girl.... she... well... nevermind....

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 01:07 PM
hey, I don't care if you follow them.. just don't ask me to.. :)
Hey....nobody's gonna ask you to wear a dress or not cut your hair :heeheehee

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 01:07 PM
I visit often.... weekly... it's in spanish, not like I understand what is being said...
and this girl.... she... well... nevermind....
Dresses like a hooch? :killinme

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:08 PM
Hey....nobody's gonna ask you to wear a dress or not cut your hair :heeheeheelol

berkeley
03-01-2007, 01:09 PM
Dresses like a hooch? :killinme
No!! goodness.. These people dress modestly. You can say "hooch" and I can't say ..... ah, nvm.

TRIPLE E
03-01-2007, 02:30 PM
I kind of get tickled when folks say, things like this. What if an individual felt like they were actually spoken to by THE WORD and Almighty God that the standards as embraced by the Apostolic church are not pertinent for their salvation or the manifestation of the grace of God...

You folks would say this is a false prophet, the debbil speaking or something...

God can only be God if he agrees with your position?

Just checking...

It can only be God when it aligns with the Word Of God.The Spirit and the Word agree. My position and your position amounts to nothing if it does not lign up with the Word.

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 02:55 PM
No!! goodness.. These people dress modestly. You can say "hooch" and I can't say ..... ah, nvm.
I used to be a moderator (they call them operators) of a Christian chat room. They were all Trinitarians but me. We had "bots" that would kick you if you cussed or did other things...you could not say whore, like the Great whore of Babylon...so I would say ho instead... :heeheehee

Chan
03-01-2007, 03:20 PM
I ran into a conservative at Radiology this morning. I haven't seen here in several yrs. She got married and moved away. She happens to be in town visiting her family.. but yeah...

Anyway, we got a talkin! She asked why she hasn't seen me in church. I told her that I don't do the "standards," and therefore I will not attend a conservative church for the sake of peace, etc.

She tells me "don't worry about standards right now.. they will come in time."
and I thought.. Okay, Almost ten yrs later, if "standards" were going to be in my heart, I'd think they'd be written on the flesh tablets by now!!

I just smiled at her and said "... pastor ---- is a good man! But I disagree with standards.. and that's that..."
The woman replies "..ask God and He will put the standards in your heart...." :eek:

and before I could say anything I was called in for X-rays.

I loove this woman. She and her family were always good to me. :) But I am amazed at that kind of thinking.. "ask God and He will put the standards in your heart.."


I'm just venting a little..Why did you feel the need to run into her? Could you not have simply walked around her? :)

berkeley
03-01-2007, 05:21 PM
Why did you feel the need to run into her? Could you not have simply walked around her? :)haha...

berkeley
03-01-2007, 05:21 PM
I used to be a moderator (they call them operators) of a Christian chat room. They were all Trinitarians but me. We had "bots" that would kick you if you cussed or did other things...you could not say whore, like the Great whore of Babylon...so I would say ho instead... :heeheeheethe great Ho of Babylon :heeheehee

SDG
03-01-2007, 05:24 PM
the great Ho of Babylon :heeheehee

the great garden tool of Babylon ... does it have the same effect???

berkeley
03-01-2007, 06:11 PM
the great garden tool of Babylon ... does it have the same effect???

No sir! Ho is a variation of "whore"

hoe is a gardening tool... and everyone I know refer to it as "asadon" or "azada"

SDG
03-01-2007, 06:22 PM
No sir! Ho is a variation of "whore"

hoe is a gardening tool... and everyone I know refer to it as "asadon" or "azada"

Why do great minds think alike???

Steve Epley
03-01-2007, 08:36 PM
God placed two witnesses in Naaman's life it looks like He is trying to speak to you. Maybe there is hope???????????? You worried about 'standards' and going to a Presbyterian church??????????????????? You should praise Gid He is still sending folks your way. Next thing might be the strong delusion.

SDG
03-01-2007, 08:48 PM
God placed two witnesses in Naaman's life it looks like He is trying to speak to you. Maybe there is hope???????????? You worried about 'standards' and going to a Presbyterian church??????????????????? You should praise Gid He is still sending folks your way. Next thing might be the strong delusion.

Really ... no need ... :ranting

Sherri
03-01-2007, 10:09 PM
God placed two witnesses in Naaman's life it looks like He is trying to speak to you. Maybe there is hope???????????? You worried about 'standards' and going to a Presbyterian church??????????????????? You should praise Gid He is still sending folks your way. Next thing might be the strong delusion.
Who be Gid???:tease

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 10:12 PM
God placed two witnesses in Naaman's life it looks like He is trying to speak to you. Maybe there is hope???????????? You worried about 'standards' and going to a Presbyterian church??????????????????? You should praise Gid He is still sending folks your way. Next thing might be the strong delusion.

I wonder if Naamans name is pronounced with a billy goat sound.

Praxeas
03-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Why did you feel the need to run into her? Could you not have simply walked around her? :)
Maybe she was too big to just simply walk around....Berk, was she wearing a denim skirt? :heeheehee

berkeley
03-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Maybe she was too big to just simply walk around....Berk, was she wearing a denim skirt? :heeheehee
now be nice.. she's a precious woman. she and her mother who has passed will always hold a special place in my heart. :)

berkeley
03-02-2007, 12:44 AM
God placed two witnesses in Naaman's life it looks like He is trying to speak to you. Maybe there is hope???????????? You worried about 'standards' and going to a Presbyterian church??????????????????? You should praise Gid He is still sending folks your way. Next thing might be the strong delusion.
A strong delusion because I don't agree with standards. :dunno

TRIPLE E
03-02-2007, 01:18 AM
A strong delusion because I don't agree with standards. :dunno

We're living in the last days Berk there are a lot of delusions out there,find yourself a good Apostolic church and save yourself from this untoward generation!

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 07:50 AM
A strong delusion because I don't agree with standards. :dunno

No sir the delusion would come from attending a Presbyterian Church. Stay long enough and a delusion will get you. They preach a delusion.

Chan
03-02-2007, 09:00 AM
No sir the delusion would come from attending a Presbyterian Church. Stay long enough and a delusion will get you. They preach a delusion.And this from someone who preaches out of a book translated by people he insists are not saved.

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 09:03 AM
And this from someone who preaches out of a book translated by people he insists are not saved.

Translating and interpeting are two different things.

Chan
03-02-2007, 09:16 AM
Translating and interpeting are two different things.Translation does sometimes involve a certain amount of interpreting. For example, the addition of the word italicized "duty" in the King James Version of Ecclesiastes 12:13. There is no corresponding word in the Hebrew text and adding the word does not affect the gramatical correctness of the passage in English. Then there's the phrase "was with God" in John 1:1. The Greek phrase is more properly translated along the lines of "pertaining to God," "pertaining to deity," "with regard to God," or "with regard to deity" much the way the same Greek phrase was translated in Hebrews. There's also the addition of what the KJV has as 1 John 5:7. What was added does not appear in any Greek text prior to the one Erasmus produced in the 16th century (which, in turn, was based on an edition of Jerome's Latin Vulgate).

While I'm not sure you use modern translations (you seem to be one of those "KJV only" preachers), there is the issue of that method of translation called "dynamic equivalence" or "thought-for-thought" translation. That method relies on a great deal more interpretation than "literal" or "word-for-word" translation that is known as "formal equivalence." The "translators" in dynamic equivalence translations (after presuming to know how the Bible writers thought) try to "translate" how the Bible writers thought into how we might think today.

All of this is being done by people you believe are not saved. It is inconsistent for you to rely on unsaved people to translate God's word for you.

SDG
03-02-2007, 09:19 AM
Translation does sometimes involve a certain amount of interpreting. For example, the addition of the word italicized "duty" in the King James Version of Ecclesiastes 12:13. There is no corresponding word in the Hebrew text and adding the word does not affect the gramatical correctness of the passage in English. Then there's the phrase "was with God" in John 1:1. The Greek phrase is more properly translated along the lines of "pertaining to God," "pertaining to deity," "with regard to God," or "with regard to deity" much the way the same Greek phrase was translated in Hebrews. There's also the addition of what the KJV has as 1 John 5:7. What was added does not appear in any Greek text prior to the one Erasmus produced in the 16th century (which, in turn, was based on an edition of Jerome's Latin Vulgate).

While I'm not sure you use modern translations (you seem to be one of those "KJV only" preachers), there is the issue of that method of translation called "dynamic equivalence" or "thought-for-though" translation. That method relies on a great deal more interpretation than "literal" or "word-for-word" translation that is known as "formal equivalence." The "translators" in dynamic equivalence translations (after presuming to know how the Bible writers thought) try to "translate" how the Bible writers thought into how we might think today.

All of this is being done by people you believe are not saved. It is inconsistent for you to rely on unsaved people to translate God's word for you.

You mean there are no unicorns or leviathans?????

Whole Hearted
03-02-2007, 09:57 AM
No sir the delusion would come from attending a Presbyterian Church. Stay long enough and a delusion will get you. They preach a delusion.

Truth

berkeley
03-02-2007, 11:24 AM
No sir the delusion would come from attending a Presbyterian Church. Stay long enough and a delusion will get you. They preach a delusion.

service is in spanish.. I don't understand much of what is being said..

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 12:07 PM
service is in spanish.. I don't understand much of what is being said..

I wouldn't understand much if it was in English.:tease Why in the world are you going to a denominal church to begin with???????????

SDG
03-02-2007, 12:08 PM
I wouldn't understand much if it was in English.:tease Why in the world are you going to a denominal church to begin with???????????

The same reason you do???

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 12:13 PM
The same reason you do???

Dan are you saying there is NO difference in a Pentecostal and Presbyterian church???????????????????? I await your answer.

SDG
03-02-2007, 12:15 PM
Dan are you saying there is NO difference in a Pentecostal and Presbyterian church???????????????????? I await your answer.

Ya think.

Ferd
03-02-2007, 12:16 PM
Dan are you saying there is NO difference in a Pentecostal and Presbyterian church???????????????????? I await your answer.

I think he is saying you are part of a denomination. I think our good buddy, believes that Apostolics are a denomination and thus when we use the term "denominal" we do so in error.....

yet another attemp by the formerly saved to make us be what the rest of christiandom is, thus aswaging their own seard conscience...





Hey Dan, how was that for a body slam?

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 12:16 PM
Ya think.

Just as I thought! Daniel the Dodger.

SDG
03-02-2007, 12:17 PM
Just as I thought! Daniel the Dodger.

Epley the Epicurean.

berkeley
03-02-2007, 12:31 PM
I wouldn't understand much if it was in English.:tease Why in the world are you going to a denominal church to begin with???????????

Epley,

I lost my friends when I walked away from the conservative church. 3 yrs have passed and I need some sort of a social life. People need to connect with other people.

Chan
03-02-2007, 12:44 PM
I wouldn't understand much if it was in English.:tease Why in the world are you going to a denominal church to begin with???????????A denominal* church? There is a church that preaches being derived from nouns?





http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/denominal

berkeley
03-02-2007, 12:44 PM
A denominal* church? There is a church that preaches being derived from nouns?





http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/denominallol.. you know what he meant..

Chan
03-02-2007, 12:45 PM
lol.. you know what he meant..
It doesn't matter what he meant, it only matters what he said.

Monkeyman
03-02-2007, 12:49 PM
Awesome!! We're starting our third Sunday morning service this Sunday. It's called "the Edge" and will run at the same time as our regular 2nd service. It's in the youth room, which has big screens, a sound system like the regular auditorium, etc. We did it that way on purpose when we built in case we outgrew the sanctuary. It will have it's own edgy worship band (acoustic guitar driven), people more casual, and then after praise & worship, Eddie will be in there on the big screen, taped from the 9 AM service. We thought about doing it live, but we didn't want to interrupt worship if there was a move of God. At the end, there will be a pastor back there who will do an altar call or whatever he feels. We are excited about it and hope it draws in more people!!

We just started a Bible Study about a hour from here that Eddie & I are also doing, so we go there once a week. Life is crazy, but fun!
Love it, love it!!! here ya go...our youth group...THE EDGE!!!!! www.theedgerocks.ca

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 12:55 PM
I don know where Berkley live but there must be a liberal Pentecostal church around???????????? At least the salvation message would be preached?

Monkeyman
03-02-2007, 01:06 PM
I don know where Berkley live but there must be a liberal Pentecostal church around???????????? At least the salvation message would be preached?Turlock,pastor K Odle, great guy!

Ferd
03-02-2007, 01:18 PM
Turlock,pastor K Odle, great guy!

isnt Tony Coppel around there somewhere close?

Steve Epley
03-02-2007, 01:25 PM
All I am saying to go to a church that does not believe any part of the Apostolic message because he is offended by standards? That is like burning your house down because the phone don't work. A little overkill to me?

Sherri
03-02-2007, 01:27 PM
Love it, love it!!! here ya go...our youth group...THE EDGE!!!!! www.theedgerocks.ca

And here we thought we were being original!! Awesome website, by the way.

Ferd
03-02-2007, 01:28 PM
All I am saying to go to a church that does not believe any part of the Apostolic message because he is offended by standards? That is like burning your house down because the phone don't work. A little overkill to me?

LOL! Brother Epley you sure have a way with words...

I love the analogy!

The Dean
03-02-2007, 01:49 PM
All I am saying to go to a church that does not believe any part of the Apostolic message because he is offended by standards? That is like burning your house down because the phone don't work. A little overkill to me?

:heeheehee

berkeley
03-02-2007, 02:26 PM
I don know where Berkley live but there must be a liberal Pentecostal church around???????????? At least the salvation message would be preached?
There is a P.A.W. in town.... more dead than the rich man begging for water...

Thumper
03-02-2007, 02:40 PM
move some where else

berkeley
03-02-2007, 02:41 PM
move some where else
not an option at the moment..

Chan
03-02-2007, 02:44 PM
There is a P.A.W. in town.... more dead than the rich man begging for water...
A dead PAW church? That surprises me. It certainly can't be more dead than a Presbyterian church.

berkeley
03-02-2007, 02:45 PM
A dead PAW church? That surprises me. It certainly can't be more dead than a Presbyterian church.I wish it weren't the case.. there is more 'life' in the Presbyterian church. There is more tongue talking, too.

...and there is more order. The P.A.W. is a family business.

*shrugs*

Chan
03-02-2007, 02:54 PM
I wish it weren't the case.. there is more 'life' in the Presbyterian church. There is more tongue talking, too.

...and there is more order. The P.A.W. is a family business.

*shrugs*Tongues in a Presbyterian church????? Is it one of those very few and far between predominantly black Presbyterian churches (where I might expect just such a thing)?

berkeley
03-02-2007, 03:01 PM
Tongues in a Presbyterian church????? Is it one of those very few and far between predominantly black Presbyterian churches (where I might expect just such a thing)?
No. It's a hispanic church. The services are in Spanish. There is an Interpreter, but I refuse to sit in the balcony.
The pastor is "evangelical," but the church is in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) http://www.pcusa.org/ ,

they are not associated with the Evangelical Presbyterian Church http://www.epc.org/

Chan
03-02-2007, 03:14 PM
No. It's a hispanic church. The services are in Spanish. There is an Interpreter, but I refuse to sit in the balcony.
The pastor is "evangelical," but the church is in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) http://www.pcusa.org/ ,

they are not associated with the Evangelical Presbyterian Church http://www.epc.org/
A Hispanic church, eh? Well, that might explain it. Like many of the black churches, they tend not to be so closely tied to their denominations' official doctrines and practices. There's a Hispanic Lutheran church here in Buffalo that, if you didn't know any better, you'd easily mistake for an Assembly of God or other Pentecostal church.

Apostolic Kitty
03-02-2007, 06:13 PM
I don't even see what problem a man would have with standards unless he was looking for a woman that looked like a hooch :killinme

Well, the only thing I can imagine a man having a problem with would be facial hair.... or long sleeves if it's a church that has a long-sleeves-only rule. Otherwise, all the standards I know of affect women.

That said, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather follow the standards and be a part of something great rather than hold onto my pride adn personal identity.

Apostolic Kitty
03-02-2007, 06:22 PM
the great garden tool of Babylon ... does it have the same effect???


Does with me. The first time I was called a "ho" was when I was a 5th grader and had never heard the slang before... had no clue what it meant, but was puzzled when the boy in class called me that. I looked at him and said, "Shovel!" I made the little jerk laugh. I should have knocked his teeth out because he sexually harassed me the entire year.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:10 AM
Well, the only thing I can imagine a man having a problem with would be facial hair.... or long sleeves if it's a church that has a long-sleeves-only rule. Otherwise, all the standards I know of affect women.

That said, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather follow the standards and be a part of something great rather than hold onto my pride adn personal identity.
Modest jewelry, facial hair, ear gages, spiked hair (not like a rocker, like a pretentious white boy :heeheehee ) , short pants, no one micromanaging my life (not speaking of the pastor, but them laymen really think they are something! )

Apostolic Kitty
03-03-2007, 01:06 PM
Modest jewelry, facial hair, ear gages, spiked hair (not like a rocker, like a pretentious white boy :heeheehee ) , short pants, no one micromanaging my life (not speaking of the pastor, but them laymen really think they are something! )

So, because of these few things you are going to a church that does not worship who you worship or believe what you believe... Not that it matters (except the spirit of delusion there) because you can't understand 90% of what's being spoken anyway???

The only one I can see being a serious issue is the laymen micromanaging... But wouldn't a talk with the pastor put a halt to that?

Really, I think shorts for men should be banned. Men look ridiculous in shorts -- especially long ones. Of course that's a matter of personal preference... not conviction. Why would you wear that to church anyway?

As far as jewelry and spiked hair go, you can always not wear any to church and not spike your hair when you go.

I assume ear gages are jewelry??? Please don't tell me it's those disgusting things that these kids are putting in their ears to make it look like a big hole... Those are nasty!

Facial hair... I can understand that being an issue... but if you think it's more important...

Is this church you claim has the micromanaging the ONLY apostolic church near your home??? I mean.... Isn't there something else within a reasonable distance???

berkeley
03-03-2007, 02:45 PM
So, because of these few things you are going to a church that does not worship who you worship or believe what you believe... Not that it matters (except the spirit of delusion there) because you can't understand 90% of what's being spoken anyway???
lol

The only one I can see being a serious issue is the laymen micromanaging... But wouldn't a talk with the pastor put a halt to that?
I don't care enough anymore to have it dealt with.

Really, I think shorts for men should be banned. Men look ridiculous in shorts -- especially long ones. Of course that's a matter of personal preference... not conviction. Why would you wear that to church anyway?
And it is personal preference that is often times considered heaven/hell issues.

As far as jewelry and spiked hair go, you can always not wear any to church and not spike your hair when you go.
Not an option here. You MUST obey ALL the rules at all times.!!

I assume ear gages are jewelry??? Please don't tell me it's those disgusting things that these kids are putting in their ears to make it look like a big hole... Those are nasty!
yeah, those hole things.. haha. Not too big though. Looks good with the spikes and facial hair... I'll use the "cultural" argument." :)

Facial hair... I can understand that being an issue... but if you think it's more important...
It's all an issue. I'm not going to live up to someone else's expectations of me. I don't care for their preferences.

Is this church you claim has the micromanaging the ONLY apostolic church near your home??? I mean.... Isn't there something else within a reasonable distance???
Nothing else available at the moment. The P.A.W.'s in the area are dead. The UPC and Apo's are still too strict.
well..

Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 03:08 PM
Berkley please don't take this wrong but are some real inward problems here and NOT outward standards. I suggest you go back and start all over.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:10 PM
Berkley please don't take this wrong but are some real inward problems here and NOT outward standards. I suggest you go back and start all over.
Thanks for the concern, Elder. I appreciate that. :)

Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 03:12 PM
Thanks for the concern, Elder. I appreciate that. :)

I promise I am going to move you to the top of my prayer lists.

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 03:21 PM
I promise I am going to move you to the top of my prayer lists.
I HOPE that just barely puts him above me in that list :dunno

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:21 PM
I promise I am going to move you to the top of my prayer lists.thank you... I am not insulted in the least. :)

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:22 PM
I HOPE that just barely puts him above me in that list :dunnolol

Apostolic Kitty
03-03-2007, 03:31 PM
well..

Well, Berk.... If you really didn't care at all you wouldn't start threads complaining about it.

Truth is you just wish you could go and be yourself, letting God deal with you Himself in His own way, without feeling like you're being judged based on your appearance every time you walk in the door.

I completely understand that...Have been there and gotten some nasty looks and snubs myself in the past, though no one had been bold enough to try to tell me how to live my life...

Well, at least not in person. There's always someone on the internet who seems to think they have all the answers for everyone though... as you well know.

I'm not invalidating your issues nor would I. I believe they are relevant. I would not be able to be part of a church that tried to control me either.

However, I certainly wouldn't consider a presbyterian church an option. They don't even have the Holy Ghost! Isn't there at least a nice spirit-filled assembly in the area?

This is where I'm at....

Though I don't agree with much of the standards I've had to ask my own self what is more relevant in God's plan for my life... Is my own pride and personal identity more relevant? Or are lost souls?

Last time I checked I was bought with a price -- that price being the blood of Jesus... I'm His ambassador -- not my own. An ambassador puts his own will on the line for the sake of his country.

God has put me in a place where the local church my family feels we can be fed and enjoy liberty in serving God is a standard-holding church. That the gifts that God has put in us can be fostered and used means everything to me.... Holding to standards is a small price to pay for that.

And, no... No one ever sat me down to try to convince me of this viewpoint. Anyone would have difficulty in trying to do that (just ask my husband). It came out through my own relationship with God.

I hope you get to a place where you can experience what you need from God. It's tough to walk in the desert. Too bad we can't get you to TN so you can be a part of the church Sherri and her husband pastor... I bet you'd like it there.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:34 PM
However, I certainly wouldn't consider a presbyterian church an option. They don't even have the Holy Ghost! *gasp* You have not been paying attention to what I've been saying.

SDG
03-03-2007, 03:37 PM
Hey Berk ... you are on my prayer list ... even if I'm more Apostolic than you are.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:38 PM
Hey Berk ... you are on my prayer list ... even if I'm more Apostolic than you are.I thought you were a Bapticostal.

SDG
03-03-2007, 03:42 PM
The Swordsman called in sick again today but told me to share this with you:

John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 03:44 PM
The Swordsman called in sick again today but told me to share this with you:

John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.do you have a point?

SDG
03-03-2007, 03:44 PM
do you have a point?

no ... but the Swordsman does.

Apostolic Kitty
03-03-2007, 03:56 PM
*gasp* You have not been paying attention to what I've been saying.


I did read where you said they spoke in tongues, but I really thought you were equivocating... and referring to their being a Spanish-speaking church as tongues.

Did you say something else that would make me think they were pentecostal at all?? :dunno If so, I apologize for missing it....

SDG
03-03-2007, 03:58 PM
I played at a Spanish Presbyterian church ... that believed in tongues and practice some standards in NYC ...

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 04:09 PM
I played at a Spanish Presbyterian church ... that believed in tongues and practice some standards in NYC ...
played what? tag?

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:09 PM
My sax ... dude .. sax.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:10 PM
played what? tag?

lol

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:10 PM
My sax ... dude .. sax.
Are you going to make an album? I think Clinton should make an album...

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:11 PM
Are you going to make an album? I think Clinton should make an album...

This is dedicated to all the interns out there ....

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 04:12 PM
I played at a Spanish Presbyterian church ... that believed in tongues and practice some standards in NYC ...
Are you sure it was not a spanish Pentecostal church using the Presbyterian building?

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:12 PM
This is dedicated to all the interns out there ....:killinme

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:12 PM
Are you sure it was not a spanish Pentecostal church using the Presbyterian building?

Positivo ... jefe.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Positivo ... jefe.
if he's 'jefe,' I'm "El General."

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:13 PM
if he's 'jefe,' I'm "El General."

El Generalisimo

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:15 PM
What's interesting is that we think we own tongues.

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:16 PM
El Generalisimo

http://members.tripod.com/aries46/ssantana.jpg

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:16 PM
What's interesting is that we think we own tongues.
I don't know anyone who thinks like that.

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:20 PM
I don't know anyone who thinks like that.

Go run into a conservative truck.

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 04:22 PM
What's interesting is that we think we own tongues.
The truth is, if they speak in tongues they ARE Pentecostal or Charismatic. All the original Pentecostals of the last century were baptist, methodist and various other holiness groups

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:24 PM
The truth is, if they speak in tongues they ARE Pentecostal or Charismatic. All the original Pentecostals of the last century were baptist, methodist and various other holiness groups

so the Apostles .. were Pentecostals or Charismatics???

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:25 PM
so the Apostles .. were Pentecostals or Charismatics???
They sure wasn't Catholic.

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 04:25 PM
so the Apostles .. were Pentecostals or Charismatics???
by our definition of what Pentecostal means, sure. They spoke in tongues.

And the word Charismatic originally refered to the charismatic gifts...not some UPCer that dropped standards

Praxeas
03-03-2007, 04:27 PM
Well, the only thing I can imagine a man having a problem with would be facial hair.... or long sleeves if it's a church that has a long-sleeves-only rule. Otherwise, all the standards I know of affect women.

That said, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather follow the standards and be a part of something great rather than hold onto my pride adn personal identity.
If that was it and I wanted to go, I'd shave and wear long sleeves....which I do anyways

berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:28 PM
If that was it and I wanted to go, I'd shave and wear long sleeves....which I do anyways

:nahnah

SDG
03-03-2007, 04:28 PM
Go run into a conservative shredder.

berkeley
03-04-2007, 01:48 AM
Go run into a conservative shredder.
what?

Coonskinner
03-04-2007, 05:05 AM
I don't know anyone who thinks like that.

I don't know anyone who thinks that either.

Never met anyone who thinks that.

Some folks definition of ministry is nothing more than constantly criticizing the Apostolic church, even if they have to make up thins to criticize.

You can tell what people are being fed by the things they say and the fruit they bear.

SDG
03-04-2007, 06:50 AM
I am heartened by your response CS ... to see that my opinions almost always merit a counter-response on your part tells me that you are reflecting, listening and heading DCC. I encourage all those involved in the ministry of Defense to do as their consciences dictate.
You can tell what people are being fed by the things they say and the fruit they bear.

SDG
03-04-2007, 01:43 PM
I ran into a conservative at church this morning ....

berkeley
03-04-2007, 03:17 PM
I ran into a conservative at church this morning ....
I slept in this morning...

berkeley
07-16-2018, 02:43 PM
I miss these posters.

Aquila
07-17-2018, 10:02 AM
I miss these posters.

I sincerely miss a few of them too.