Need Immediate Help with MSWord

[Esther]

Does anyone know how to make a document print the right and left pages the same without changing the page numbers?

This is for a book that is 5.5 x 8.5.

It is what a printer calls two books up.

[pelathais]

If I understood you correctly.... try: File -> Page Set Up -> and then about half way down on the Margins Tab there should be a drop down menu labeled PAGES Multiple Pages. Select 2 pages per sheet.

You might have to flip from potrait to landscape - or vice versa to get the look you want. I'm looking at Office 2003 right now.

[philjones]

If I understood you correctly.... try: File -> Page Set Up -> and then about half way down on the Margins Tab there should be a drop down menu labeled PAGES Multiple Pages. Select 2 pages per sheet.

You might have to flip from potrait to landscape - or vice versa to get the look you want.

The problem is that the binder/printer is asking for two up printing but they want page 1 on both sides of the page. What Esther is asking for is pre press layout within MS Word that will allow her to have 5.5 x 8.5 page 1 appear twice on a landscape 8.5 x 11 page. The printer wants to be able to run a 166 page book two up so they can then cut and bind two books with a single print run.

I am seeing that this is not commonly done in MS Word. It usually is done in Quark Express which I own but do not have installed or in Adobe InDesign or Pagemaker which I own but do not have installed.

[Esther]

If I understood you correctly.... try: File -> Page Set Up -> and then about half way down on the Margins Tab there should be a drop down menu labeled PAGES Multiple Pages. Select 2 pages per sheet.

You might have to flip from potrait to landscape - or vice versa to get the look you want. I'm looking at Office 2003 right now.

Thanks for your input. Already tried that and it doesn't work.

Any other ideas?

[Esther]

The problem is that the binder/printer is asking for two up printing but they want page 1 on both sides of the page. What Esther is asking for is pre press layout within MS Word that will allow her to have 5.5 x 8.5 page 1 appear twice on a landscape 8.5 x 11 page. The printer wants to be able to run a 166 page book two up so they can then cut and bind two books with a single print run.

I am seeing that this is not commonly done in MS Word. It usually is done in Quark Express which I own but do not have installed or in Adobe InDesign or Pagemaker which I own but do not have installed.

Pagemaker is for newsletters and broshures according to what I just read.

Quark is suppose to work.

You have all the tools man what are you waiting on? :)

[Esther]

It appears from all my researching thus far, that MSWord is not capable of printing a book to a printers specs.

[Praxeas]

Pagemaker is for newsletters and broshures according to what I just read.

Quark is suppose to work.

You have all the tools man what are you waiting on? :)
and publisher, but the question is what file format do they want?

[Praxeas]

Maybe there is an add on at Microsoft, look for one for packing it for a printer

[Esther]

and publisher, but the question is what file format do they want?

They want the one I don't have. :)

All I can tell you is they want a 8.5 by 11 landscape divided into left side and right side to read the same.

In doing this I can not allow the page numbers to change from what it is.

Example left side and right side should both me page number 1.
Next sheet should be page 2 etc.

[Esther]

Maybe there is an add on at Microsoft, look for one for packing it for a printer

What do you mean packing it for a printer?

[Esther]

BOOM MAY have found a solution for me. He is incredible with technology and finding stuff on the net.

Thanks BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Digging4Truth]

It looks like what Boom found worked... Just in case... as I am headed for bed...

Go to File
Page Setup
Under Orientation Click Landscape
Under Pages Click "2 Pages Per Sheet" or "Book Fold"... whichever one serves your needs.

[The Mrs]

It looks like what Boom found worked... Just in case... as I am headed for bed...

Go to File
Page Setup
Under Orientation Click Landscape
Under Pages Click "2 Pages Per Sheet" or "Book Fold"... whichever one serves your needs.

It's not that easy of a solution...

Phil described what the printer wants and needs: They want to print pg. 1 twice on the top side of one landscaped 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper, then they will print two pg. 2's on the back of that same sheet...most likely printing all odd pages the first time, then sticking that stack of pages back in the printer and printing all even pages on the backs, then cutting all those pages in half will create two 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 books.

And so far, the link that Boom gave us won't do the job either. :(

So, we're back to square one...we still need help!

Anybody else have any suggestions?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Here is the answer-

http://tinyurl.com/2lzrgq

To print this way, you don't want to use "Book fold" at all. Instead, just
create each page once, using the "2 pages per sheet" selection in Page Setup
(not the one in the Print dialog). This will give you your half pages. Then,
in the Print dialog, print Pages 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, etc. It may require more
than one print run to get them all, as there's some finite limit to how many
page numbers you can put in the Pages box.

[Sweet Pea]

Pagemaker is for newsletters and broshures according to what I just read.

Quark is suppose to work.

You have all the tools man what are you waiting on? :)

Pagemaker can be used for books as well. I understand that it can be awkward though! Have a friend who has used it for several books.

Thanks BOOM for this information, I can use it as well!

[Praxeas]

It's not that easy of a solution...

Phil described what the printer wants and needs: They want to print pg. 1 twice on the top side of one landscaped 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper, then they will print two pg. 2's on the back of that same sheet...most likely printing all odd pages the first time, then sticking that stack of pages back in the printer and printing all even pages on the backs, then cutting all those pages in half will create two 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 books.

And so far, the link that Boom gave us won't do the job either. :(

So, we're back to square one...we still need help!

Anybody else have any suggestions?
It sounds like what they want is to make it so they can cut the book in half and then bind it for two books.

You can do it manually

You can make a template set up already and perhaps add all the necessary pages, blank, then cut and paste each page in

[Praxeas]

Here is the answer-

http://tinyurl.com/2lzrgq
That is essentially one of the solutiongs I gave except the print page dialogue

[The Mrs]

It sounds like what they want is to make it so they can cut the book in half and then bind it for two books.

You can do it manually

You can make a template set up already and perhaps add all the necessary pages, blank, then cut and paste each page in

This could potentially be done...if I had another week...MAYBE.

The problem with MS Word is the page numbering system. To put it mildly it's a big pain in the backside. And to do it the way you suggested would be a HUGE pain in the backside.

It has to be at the printer's tomorrow.

[The Mrs]

Here is the answer-

http://tinyurl.com/2lzrgq
That is essentially one of the solutiongs I gave except the print page dialogue

This solution looks like it's what I would do on MY end to print this document. What I need to do is save a copy of the document to PDF format that has two pages of each page ready to print. This is what the printer requires. (That's the big copy company, not the little thing that sits on my desk.) :winkgrin

[The Mrs]

The problem is that the binder/printer is asking for two up printing but they want page 1 on both sides of the page. What Esther is asking for is pre press layout within MS Word that will allow her to have 5.5 x 8.5 page 1 appear twice on a landscape 8.5 x 11 page. The printer wants to be able to run a 166 page book two up so they can then cut and bind two books with a single print run.

I am seeing that this is not commonly done in MS Word. It usually is done in Quark Express which I own but do not have installed or in Adobe InDesign or Pagemaker which I own but do not have installed.

Yoooooohooooo.....Bro. Phhhhiii-iiiillllll!


This can easily be done with the "Build Booklet" plugin in Pagemaker. Simply go into your document setup dialog, set your page size to 5.5" x 8.5" and choose (tall). Then choose facing pages and the number of pages you want. Then go back into your document and design it with the pages in order as they go. Once your document is finished and you're satisfied with it, then go into your utilities menu, click on plugins, then click on build booklet.

Once you're in the build booklet dialog, there will be window showing you all your pages. On the right of the window there is a drop down menu. Drop the options down, and then click on "2-up saddle stitch." or "2-up perfect bound", whichever type of binding you will be using. After you have done this click "ok" and you will be asked if you want to do this if you haven't saved your original document. It actually closes your original document and opens the new document in its place. Therefore, make sure you do a save just before you go into the build booklet window.

Once this is all done, your booklet will be set up so that the pages will be in the correct order for printing on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet. If you are having them cut in half, then I would choose the "2-up perfect bound" option. The printing company will then cut the pages in half and bind them for you.

This is the best thing I could come up with...and I'm not even sure that it would be the solution.

[Praxeas]

This could potentially be done...if I had another week...MAYBE.

The problem with MS Word is the page numbering system. To put it mildly it's a big pain in the backside. And to do it the way you suggested would be a HUGE pain in the backside.

It has to be at the printer's tomorrow.
You could have someone do half of it, then merge the two documents

[Praxeas]

This solution looks like it's what I would do on MY end to print this document. What I need to do is save a copy of the document to PDF format that has two pages of each page ready to print. This is what the printer requires. (That's the big copy company, not the little thing that sits on my desk.) :winkgrin
are you saying that all you would need to do then is save it as PDF? there are free solutions you can do that too on you PC

[The Mrs]

You could have someone do half of it, then merge the two documents

You up for an all-nighter??? :ursofunny

[The Mrs]

are you saying that all you would need to do then is save it as PDF? there are free solutions you can do that too on you PC

Saving it to PDF is not the problem...I need something that will take the document I've already created and make two of every page...THEN capture it in PDF.

[Praxeas]

Yoooooohooooo.....Bro. Phhhhiii-iiiillllll!


This can easily be done with the "Build Booklet" plugin in Pagemaker. Simply go into your document setup dialog, set your page size to 5.5" x 8.5" and choose (tall). Then choose facing pages and the number of pages you want. Then go back into your document and design it with the pages in order as they go. Once your document is finished and you're satisfied with it, then go into your utilities menu, click on plugins, then click on build booklet.

Once you're in the build booklet dialog, there will be window showing you all your pages. On the right of the window there is a drop down menu. Drop the options down, and then click on "2-up saddle stitch." or "2-up perfect bound", whichever type of binding you will be using. After you have done this click "ok" and you will be asked if you want to do this if you haven't saved your original document. It actually closes your original document and opens the new document in its place. Therefore, make sure you do a save just before you go into the build booklet window.

Once this is all done, your booklet will be set up so that the pages will be in the correct order for printing on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet. If you are having them cut in half, then I would choose the "2-up perfect bound" option. The printing company will then cut the pages in half and bind them for you.

This is the best thing I could come up with...and I'm not even sure that it would be the solution.

yes but wouldn't you have to start from scratch? I wonder if you can do this in publisher too then convert it somehow. What file format are they asking for?

BTW as I was saying before, you can build the template...I know you can do this in publisher....make a blank 168 page layout (or however many pages it is) and then make a second one below it or however they want it...they copy the entire text from the book (will use up memory and take a long time possibl) and then paste it. When you do that publisher automatically fills the remainder...or whatever...or possibly you can make one entire book then dublicate or mirror each page. There are a lot more layout options for that than for Word

[Praxeas]

You up for an all-nighter??? :ursofunny
lol....hmmmm

[Praxeas]

what program did Boom recommend?

[Praxeas]

http://www.scribus.net/
For linux but works on windows. they recommend disabling themes though

[The Mrs]

yes but wouldn't you have to start from scratch? I wonder if you can do this in publisher too then convert it somehow. What file format are they asking for?

BTW as I was saying before, you can build the template...I know you can do this in publisher....make a blank 168 page layout (or however many pages it is) and then make a second one below it or however they want it...they copy the entire text from the book (will use up memory and take a long time possibl) and then paste it. When you do that publisher automatically fills the remainder...or whatever...or possibly you can make one entire book then dublicate or mirror each page. There are a lot more layout options for that than for Word

I just found out I have Publisher... :blush

Attempting to create now... :D

The mirroring the page option sounds like what we would need to do.

[Praxeas]

http://www.scribus.net/
For linux but works on windows. they recommend disabling themes though
This program looks really good and better than publisher, but I don't know if it comes with as much eye candy stuff or templates

[philjones]

Yoooooohooooo.....Bro. Phhhhiii-iiiillllll!


This can easily be done with the "Build Booklet" plugin in Pagemaker. Simply go into your document setup dialog, set your page size to 5.5" x 8.5" and choose (tall). Then choose facing pages and the number of pages you want. Then go back into your document and design it with the pages in order as they go. Once your document is finished and you're satisfied with it, then go into your utilities menu, click on plugins, then click on build booklet.

Once you're in the build booklet dialog, there will be window showing you all your pages. On the right of the window there is a drop down menu. Drop the options down, and then click on "2-up saddle stitch." or "2-up perfect bound", whichever type of binding you will be using. After you have done this click "ok" and you will be asked if you want to do this if you haven't saved your original document. It actually closes your original document and opens the new document in its place. Therefore, make sure you do a save just before you go into the build booklet window.

Once this is all done, your booklet will be set up so that the pages will be in the correct order for printing on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet. If you are having them cut in half, then I would choose the "2-up perfect bound" option. The printing company will then cut the pages in half and bind them for you.

This is the best thing I could come up with...and I'm not even sure that it would be the solution.

Mrs.,

Unfortunately I am in a hotel in SE LA and my software is in my office in SW LA and I won't be home until Friday evening. :(

I also :bedtime unlike some folks on here! :)

[Esther]

We still need HELP!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

We still need HELP!

Is your publisher any help at all?

:coffee2

[Esther]

Is your publisher any help at all?

:coffee2

So far no.

I called today and asked to talk to someone that has done this for them.

She gave me a name and number, but of course, the person is not answering their cell and they are not at home.

Latest deadline is 3 pm today!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

So far no.

I called today and asked to talk to someone that has done this for them.

She gave me a name and number, but of course, the person is not answering their cell and they are not at home.

Latest deadline is 3 pm today!

What happens if you miss the deadline?

The book can never then be published?

[Theresa]

did y'all get an answer to this? was theMRS able to fix it using publisher?

[Esther]

Oh there is a God :)

The printers has agreed to run the book as is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Esther]

did y'all get an answer to this? was theMRS able to fix it using publisher?

No.

[Esther]

What happens if you miss the deadline?

The book can never then be published?

I would have had to do it via copier and GBC binding. :(

Doable but not what I wanted.

[Theresa]

Oh there is a God :)

The printers has agreed to run the book as is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey, dont tell anyone...given recent events ROFL

[Esther]

hey, dont tell anyone...given recent events ROFL

Really!

:)

[The Mrs]

did y'all get an answer to this? was theMRS able to fix it using publisher?

I am not familiar with Publisher, but realized I had the program last night, so gave it a good try. It seemed to be similar enough to Word that I could work my way around in it a bit.

BUT...I just could NOT get the page setup right. It would not open or import the Word document over correctly either. There were several alignment shifts, font changes, and it didn't copy the Word Art over at all. :wacko

It looks like it would have been the right solution though, as it has a 'duplicate page' option that looks fairly easy to use. (Two clicks of the button) for every page duplicated. But I'm really, REALLY not positive about that. :dunno

[Theresa]

could you copy the document, merge them so you'd now have 2 page 1 and then set your page set up to 2 pages on one?

[Esther]

W0W! What a trip this has been. My shoulders are as tight as a drum over the stress of getting my books to the printer.

THE MRS is a gem folks. Let me tell you I could not have gotten it done without her help.

She even designed the cover for my second book. That is the one that is titled "In The Counsel of Many". Just for your information ALL the profit from the book goes to Home and Foreign Missions and Evangelist.

The printer finished printing the first book this afternoon and has the second one almost done around 4:30. She is going to hand deliver them tomorrow to the binding company who promises to have them ready by Wednesday!

This has been one of the most stressful tasks I have ever set myself up for.

Even PhilJones spent saturday afternoon and yesterday afternoon trying to help us figure out how to make this work.

Then I get up this morning and low and behold THEMRS had figured it out!

Oh what prayer will do!

Again, thanks to everyone for your help and support. And for those who would like a copy of either one of my books PM me your information.

I will calculate the cost tomorrow for the books.

[Malvaro]

The Mrs is quite the trooper.... :D

[Esther]

The Mrs is quite the trooper.... :D

Yes she is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!