Windows Vista [Archive] - Apostolic Friends Forum

John Atkinson

02-10-2007, 05:28 AM

Ronzo

02-10-2007, 08:06 AM

I'm in the market for a new notebook to do video editing on, and I'm sure by the time I have the ability to get one, Vista will be 'standard' on most everything.

I don't think I'm going to be interested in all the fancy graphic tricks that its capable of though.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I'm going to go PC or Mac this time.

ManOfWord

02-10-2007, 08:08 AM

So who's using it?

I upgraded the day it came out. (i had bought a Vista capable PC a couple of weeks prior)

I generally don't go for pretty when it comes to the desktop but I like it. I had run the beta on my laptop but had driver issues with sound.

Driver issues are the biggest issue. Don't upgrade unless you verify hardware compatibility, there is almost no driver support for hardware more than 6 months old. Some things like sound cards may work by accident, but don't count on it.

It asks for a GB of RAM, when it really wants 2 GB, with 2 it rocks, and so do applications such as photoshop and illustrator.

I haven't "bit" yet. I had the Beta for months but was afraid to install it due to driver issues. I didn't want to lose the ability to sync my Treo with Outlook, which is what happened when I went to the XP Beta. I have a Dell w/ 2gb ram, 256mb video and a 1.6 Core Duo processor, so I'm pretty confident that I won't have any problems with Vista.

I have just been waiting to hear the reports from other users first. I can usually get around whatever MS throws at my laptop eventually, but I just hate the hours it normally takes to fix it. I am getting Office 2007 Pro for free just for attending a Vista kick-off even in Detroit nest week, so if I get a coupon for Vista, I just may jump.

Thanks for the info!!!!!

John Atkinson

02-10-2007, 08:36 AM

I haven't "bit" yet. I had the Beta for months but was afraid to install it due to driver issues. I didn't want to lose the ability to sync my Treo with Outlook, which is what happened when I went to the XP Beta. I have a Dell w/ 2gb ram, 256mb video and a 1.6 Core Duo processor, so I'm pretty confident that I won't have any problems with Vista.

I have just been waiting to hear the reports from other users first. I can usually get around whatever MS throws at my laptop eventually, but I just hate the hours it normally takes to fix it. I am getting Office 2007 Pro for free just for attending a Vista kick-off even in Detroit nest week, so if I get a coupon for Vista, I just may jump.

Thanks for the info!!!!!
Rofl, I am doing the kick off in Hartford on the 22nd for the free office 2007. Developer track. I used the office 2007 beta as well. Major usability enhancements.

I guess FrontPage is dead, they have a new thing.

Ronzo

02-10-2007, 11:07 AM

Have you messed with Sharepoint at all? I believe that has taken on many of the functions of Frontpage.

ManOfWord

02-10-2007, 03:36 PM

Rofl, I am doing the kick off in Hartford on the 22nd for the free office 2007. Developer track. I used the office 2007 beta as well. Major usability enhancements.

I guess FrontPage is dead, they have a new thing.

Ha! Amazing! I'm taking the Technology Decision Maker track. I have been to a few MS events before and got free stuff. I figure if I keep going and keep getting free stuff I'll keep getting invitations.

I think their new Web software is "Expressions." I use Flash Studio 8 & DreamWeaver for our church web site. I used to use FrontPage.

Ron

02-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Two Videos to see before getting Windows Vista!:D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LxQm3IsSKAo

Praxeas

02-11-2007, 11:32 PM

Praxeas

02-11-2007, 11:33 PM

Rofl, I am doing the kick off in Hartford on the 22nd for the free office 2007. Developer track. I used the office 2007 beta as well. Major usability enhancements.

I guess FrontPage is dead, they have a new thing.
Yes...it's actually a great web designer and some say it might give dreamweaver a run for it's money. It's full CSS based. I like it. I have the beta

John Atkinson

02-12-2007, 09:29 AM

Ha! Amazing! I'm taking the Technology Decision Maker track. I have been to a few MS events before and got free stuff. I figure if I keep going and keep getting free stuff I'll keep getting invitations.

I think their new Web software is "Expressions." I use Flash Studio 8 & DreamWeaver for our church web site. I used to use FrontPage.
Yes, expressions. Seems like they have an expression for different aspects of design. I have been using dreamweaver since 3.0, not likely to change, however, the beta is free so I may try it for giggles.

ManOfWord

02-12-2007, 11:57 AM

Yes, expressions. Seems like they have an expression for different aspects of design. I have been using dreamweaver since 3.0, not likely to change, however, the beta is free so I may try it for giggles.

Well, I don't have a single clue about how to use html or any programming language for that matter. But I could use Frontpage. When I wanted to get more creative I got some quotes for a Flash web site. After getting quotes of multiple thousands of dollars, I figured I could figure it out. So, I got Macromedia Flash 2004 and a couple of books and built the current site our church now has. Time I had, money we didn't. That was over a year ago. I can update it, but don't ask me to build one or how I built the one we have. I can't remember, but it's there anyway! :D I still have the books!!!

Chan

02-12-2007, 02:55 PM

Since VISTA is supposedly a Mac-like operating system, why not just get a real Mac?

ManOfWord

02-12-2007, 03:16 PM

Since VISTA is supposedly a Mac-like operating system, why not just get a real Mac?

GASP!!!

John Atkinson

02-12-2007, 07:05 PM

Well, I don't have a single clue about how to use html or any programming language for that matter. But I could use Frontpage. When I wanted to get more creative I got some quotes for a Flash web site. After getting quotes of multiple thousands of dollars, I figured I could figure it out. So, I got Macromedia Flash 2004 and a couple of books and built the current site our church now has. Time I had, money we didn't. That was over a year ago. I can update it, but don't ask me to build one or how I built the one we have. I can't remember, but it's there anyway! :D I still have the books!!!
Hey you did a pretty good job for a guy with a book, most folks can't apply the books that well. I can't. I wish I had 10% back on every computer book I ever bought and never used past .. "Oh ok, I'll just figure it out" and toosed the book on the shelf or in a box.

I stopped myself on the "Submit Order" button Friday from ordering SitePoints Ruby on Rails book. My more sensible self said "John, you are going to throw $34.00 into the next box bound for the basement, Why?" So I clicked cancel.

Here is the punchline to the whole Joke.

I support my family, as a technical writer. A guy who writes the kinda books that I don't even read.

scary.

John Atkinson

02-12-2007, 07:23 PM

Since VISTA is supposedly a Mac-like operating system, why not just get a real Mac?Vista is a windows type operating system with a mac-ish interface, which brings us full circle back to 1992.

I actually would switch to mac. Just can't afford it. It is priced out of the range of all but the elitists.

If apple really wanted to get people like me over to their platform, they would price macs, powerful ones, at the equivalent PC pricing, they would get with adobe and etc and deal free crossover licenses for stuff like creative suite and the macromedia stuff... but they don't.

For me to switch means buying a system at 5 or 6 times the price as a cor-duo pc, and buying licenses for all the softwere.

Nope. BTW, Vista is rocking olong just fine on my core-duo.

BoredOutOfMyMind

02-12-2007, 07:29 PM

I support my family, as a technical writer. A guy who writes the kinda books that I don't even read.

scary.

Yet funny to those others who have books that they don't use.

I lost 25 to a water leak in a garage in Oct!

(HTML4, Linux Firewalls, Cisco Networking exam prep, SOAP, Hayden's manual)

ManOfWord

02-13-2007, 04:51 PM

Hey you did a pretty good job for a guy with a book, most folks can't apply the books that well. I can't. I wish I had 10% back on every computer book I ever bought and never used past .. "Oh ok, I'll just figure it out" and toosed the book on the shelf or in a box.

I stopped myself on the "Submit Order" button Friday from ordering SitePoints Ruby on Rails book. My more sensible self said "John, you are going to throw $34.00 into the next box bound for the basement, Why?" So I clicked cancel.

Here is the punchline to the whole Joke.

I support my family, as a technical writer. A guy who writes the kinda books that I don't even read.

scary.

That's pretty good, JA! You can write 'em but don't read 'em and I can read 'em but wouldn't even let the thought cross my mind about writing one! We are all truly different tools in God's tool box. That never ceases to amaze me!!

BTW, went to the Vista Launch event today, in Detroit! Had to drive through a blizzard in both directions for 2hrs! Did get Office 2007 Pro, though. Actually, it was just a license. You still have to download the prog and the site has been down today. Also, got Vista Ultimate for eval. Almost installed it, but again, exercised great restraint! :D

Ronzo

02-13-2007, 06:37 PM

I actually would switch to mac. Just can't afford it. It is priced out of the range of all but the elitists.

If apple really wanted to get people like me over to their platform, they would price macs, powerful ones, at the equivalent PC pricing, they would get with adobe and etc and deal free crossover licenses for stuff like creative suite and the macromedia stuff... but they don't.

For me to switch means buying a system at 5 or 6 times the price as a cor-duo pc, and buying licenses for all the softwere.

Nope.

I second that.

I'm looking at new notebooks. Still up in the air if I'll even get one, but... the Macbook Pro is literally $1000 more than the comparably equipped PC Notebooks I'm looking at. Same proc. Same memory. LESS HDD space... same LCD.... etc. And then i'd have to pay twice as much for nearly every software title I'm looking to get.

Kaint uh-ford it.

They're elitist snobs.

Chan

02-14-2007, 12:12 PM

Vista is a windows type operating system with a mac-ish interface, which brings us full circle back to 1992.

I actually would switch to mac. Just can't afford it. It is priced out of the range of all but the elitists.

If apple really wanted to get people like me over to their platform, they would price macs, powerful ones, at the equivalent PC pricing, they would get with adobe and etc and deal free crossover licenses for stuff like creative suite and the macromedia stuff... but they don't.

For me to switch means buying a system at 5 or 6 times the price as a cor-duo pc, and buying licenses for all the softwere.

Nope. BTW, Vista is rocking olong just fine on my core-duo.
Of course, everyone has his or her own opinion.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9009124

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_VISTA_LAUNCH?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-01-30-17-28-24

http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/vnunet/news/2174703/vista-replacement-scheduled

John Atkinson

02-14-2007, 12:28 PM

That's pretty good, JA! You can write 'em but don't read 'em and I can read 'em but wouldn't even let the thought cross my mind about writing one! We are all truly different tools in God's tool box. That never ceases to amaze me!!

BTW, went to the Vista Launch event today, in Detroit! Had to drive through a blizzard in both directions for 2hrs! Did get Office 2007 Pro, though. Actually, it was just a license. You still have to download the prog and the site has been down today. Also, got Vista Ultimate for eval. Almost installed it, but again, exercised great restraint! :DYeah, I go next week, Thursday I think. I was aware that they were just handing out a license coupon, it figures the download site would be down.

ManOfWord

02-14-2007, 06:55 PM

Yeah, I go next week, Thursday I think. I was aware that they were just handing out a license coupon, it figures the download site would be down.

Well the site finally came back up. However, I tried for 6 hrs to get it installed. The problem is that because I was such a nice guy for being a beta tester for Office 2007, the release version wouldn't install over it. I found instructions on deleting it and even had to go into the registry numerous times. All to no avail. After spending 2 hrs on the phone today with tech support and after giving the guy in India remote control of my computer, he finally got the beta and the registry keys removed. He apologized over and over and said that all the folks who previously installed the beta had the same problem.

Good luck and maybe it will easier for you than it was for me.

John Atkinson

02-16-2007, 04:29 AM

Well the site finally came back up. However, I tried for 6 hrs to get it installed. The problem is that because I was such a nice guy for being a beta tester for Office 2007, the release version wouldn't install over it. I found instructions on deleting it and even had to go into the registry numerous times. All to no avail. After spending 2 hrs on the phone today with tech support and after giving the guy in India remote control of my computer, he finally got the beta and the registry keys removed. He apologized over and over and said that all the folks who previously installed the beta had the same problem.

Good luck and maybe it will easier for you than it was for me.
Should be because t will be a fresh install, I gave my daughter the PC I was running the beta on when I bought this new one.

Say, I discovered a cool feature with Vista = ReadyBoost. It allows you to use a USB Flash Drive as system memory. Works pretty good, I added 850 MB with no problem at all, just plug it in. Noticable speed increase.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2017817,00.asp

hammondb3klingon1

02-21-2007, 09:04 PM

Klingons use LINUX!!! Vista is without honor.

BoredOutOfMyMind

02-21-2007, 09:05 PM

Klingons use LINUX!!! Vista is without honor.

What do you know of Linux?

hammondb3klingon1

02-21-2007, 09:08 PM

Penguins and Klingons are blood brothers. :) In truth, I am a linux geek. CS type :)

LadyChocolate

02-22-2007, 08:58 AM

What do you know of Linux?

I know it's off topic, but I've used Linux before and it is really cool!! I like it... I don't know all the tech stuff about it but it was one incredible drawing board! The gimp rocks!!... it takes a little getting used to (Linux) but I got around real easy with it....

....now back to your regularly scheduled topic...........Vista.............

hammondb3klingon1

02-24-2007, 09:55 AM

Vista works very well on Core^2 or Core^4 with 2GB ram. I have no experience with it outside of these params

Ronzo

02-24-2007, 05:19 PM

I just ordered a new notebook with Vista.

Not all that excited about the Vista, but I am about the notebook.

BoredOutOfMyMind

02-24-2007, 05:22 PM

I know it's off topic, but I've used Linux before and it is really cool!! I like it... I don't know all the tech stuff about it but it was one incredible drawing board! The gimp rocks!!... it takes a little getting used to (Linux) but I got around real easy with it....

....now back to your regularly scheduled topic...........Vista.............

They took grade school in South Africa, and offered them GIMP and Photoshop. Those who started in GIMP quickly left PS behind. Those started in PS, also left PS for GIMP.

It is available for Windows also.

BoredOutOfMyMind

02-24-2007, 05:24 PM

I just ordered a new notebook with Vista.

Not all that excited about the Vista, but I am about the notebook.

It is not too late to send the EULA back and get a $59 refund!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/BoredOOMM/badvista.png

Ronzo

02-24-2007, 05:25 PM

I'm not proficient enough on Linux to start from scratch.

Do they make video editing software (comparable to Sony Vegas Studio) for Linux?

hammondb3klingon1

02-24-2007, 07:35 PM

Some of the Best media editing software in the world comes from the unix world. Just do a search for the type of editor you need.

Ronzo

02-24-2007, 07:49 PM

Nah... I'll stick to what I know. Sorry... too much of a drastic shift for me to consider right now.

Me learning Linux is like me learning Chinese...

hammondb3klingon1

02-24-2007, 07:55 PM

xing ma zheh te zho

hammondb3klingon1

02-24-2007, 07:56 PM

wato matea kudasai

Ronzo

02-24-2007, 08:03 PM

exactly

BoredOutOfMyMind

02-24-2007, 08:43 PM

Nah... I'll stick to what I know. Sorry... too much of a drastic shift for me to consider right now.

Me learning Linux is like me learning Chinese...

Hey, if I can do it, you can do it!

https://shipit.kubuntu.org/

Ronzo

02-24-2007, 09:10 PM

I don't know the first thing about it dude.

John Atkinson

02-26-2007, 07:59 AM

They took grade school in South Africa, and offered them GIMP and Photoshop. Those who started in GIMP quickly left PS behind. Those started in PS, also left PS for GIMP.

It is available for Windows also.
I can use both at a high level of profiencency. GIMP doesn't touch PS.

Sorry mon,

hammondb3klingon1

02-26-2007, 06:29 PM

John Atkinson

03-02-2007, 10:59 AM

I guess I have to go with the experts. MS Paint rules. Along with MS Word, MS Powerpoint, MS(the disease), MS blah blah yada yada yada, patent this, patent that. Yeah a few of my favorite things. NOT!!! :)

VI, GIMP, Solaris, C++, and a book by Bjarne himself. AHHHHH like a nice cup of tea it soothes the soul. or is that sole? :)
There are things that microsoft does well, and things they don't. I use CentOS on three web servers and Fedora on another. Linux is the only way to go for servers. For the desktop, for what I do, there simply isn't a mature enough application suite that can compete with Adobe creative suite and Dreamweaver.

Like I said before, I am a graphics professional, I feed my family quite well using photoshop, illustrator, dreamweaver and indesign. Gimp doesn't hold a candle to photoshop, there is no illustrator, indesign or dreamweaver equivalent for linux. As nice as open source is, it takes money to develop robust consumer applications, and linux as a desktop os isn't there yet, and it my never be.

But for a server, it is tops. Windows 2k3 server?:ranting :heeheehee

BoredOutOfMyMind

03-02-2007, 11:59 AM

There are things that microsoft does well, and things they don't. I use CentOS on three web servers and Fedora on another. Linux is the only way to go for servers. For the desktop, for what I do, there simply isn't a mature enough application suite that can compete with Adobe creative suite and Dreamweaver.

Like I said before, I am a graphics professional, I feed my family quite well using photoshop, illustrator, dreamweaver and indesign. Gimp doesn't hold a candle to photoshop, there is no illustrator, indesign or dreamweaver equivalent for linux. As nice as open source is, it takes money to develop robust consumer applications, and linux as a desktop os isn't there yet, and it my never be.

But for a server, it is tops. Windows 2k3 server?:ranting :heeheehee

There was discussion of Adobe opening the book for the code, but it never progressed.

John Atkinson

03-02-2007, 06:48 PM

There was discussion of Adobe opening the book for the code, but it never progressed.
Yeah, I remember. Corel did a linux port of their graphics suite and the office suite containing programs formerly known as word perfect, quatro pro and oh, can't forget paradox, around 1999, and even tried to enter the distro market. never went anywhere.

When it comes to work I am a big fan of the tool that does the job. When it comes to play I like geek toys, vista being one.

I wish I had gotten ultimate instead of home premium, but I can upgrade for a mere 159.00 :killinme

Ronzo

03-02-2007, 07:27 PM

The notebook comes on Tuesday...

Looking forward to playing with it but couldn't care less about the Vista.

I don't believe I'll be using that aero interface thingy. I have better things to waste RAM on. :D

I went with a Dell Insprion E1705. Between the security package discount (4 year warranty with complete care - accidental damage coverage - and 4 years of lojack), the web site offer ($343 off), and my employee discount, I saved a considerable chunk of change.

Normally, the employee discount doesn't save me a whole lot, but it all added up.

Definitely made a very attractive price... and thanks to my tax refund, I was able to afford it.