Irvin Baxter Shocker!!! Building TV Studio???????

[Thad]

DID you hear that Reverand Irwin Baxter is building a huge t.v. studio in Dallas???? AND He was soliciting for money on his radio program for it !!!!!!

He was asking for money and needed $30,000 for carpet.

[Steadfast]

DID you hear that Reverand Irwin Baxter is building a huge t.v. studio in Dallas???? AND He was soliciting for money on his radio program for it !!!!!!

He was asking for money and needed $30,000 for carpet.

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.

[Thad]

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.



now explain to me why it's sad ??? I'm going to post another News flash that may shed light on why he's doing this - get ready !

[Thad]

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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

[AmazingGrace]

I dunno nuthin.... I do know they have BOUGHT a new building.... thats all I know... they is movin in sometime next month I believe...

[Thad]

I dunno nuthin.... I do know they have BOUGHT a new building.... thats all I know... they is movin in sometime next month I believe...


who is " THEY" ??


listen to his broadcast and tell us what you hear.

[redeemedcynic84]

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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

does he man that 2 billion people are gonna die in one moment over the next 12 months... or that the rate of death on earth = 2 billion deaths/year???

[Thad]

does he man that 2 billion people are gonna die in one moment over the next 12 months... or that the rate of death on earth = 2 billion deaths/year???


now that i'm not sure of. I don't know if he meant over that period of time or all at once.

[redeemedcynic84]

now that i'm not sure of. I don't know if he meant over that period of time or all at once.

I'm pretty sure the rate of death on earth isn't quite that high... (there are, afterall only 7.5 billion on earth)

and if he's saying that the tribulation and such is gonna start in the next 12 months... well... he needs to learn from the people who have been saying that at various points over the last 250 years and realize all that kind of thing does is make people laugh at you...

[Thad]

I'm pretty sure the rate of death on earth isn't quite that high... (there are, afterall only 7.5 billion on earth)

and if he's saying that the tribulation and such is gonna start in the next 12 months... well... he needs to learn from the people who have been saying that at various points over the last 250 years and realize all that kind of thing does is make people laugh at you...


has he given Prophecies before ???

I know he was interviewed on Daystar TV a while back - anyone know how that went ???

[AmazingGrace]

who is " THEY" ??


listen to his broadcast and tell us what you hear.

Endtime Ministries... is who...

When and where can I listen... see I go to church with the man and dont seem to get a chance to see or hear him ever ROFL.... makes no sense I know...but hey!

[Thad]

Endtime Ministries... is who...

When and where can I listen... see I go to church with the man and dont seem to get a chance to see or hear him ever ROFL.... makes no sense I know...but hey!



see what you can find out and report back you hear ??:hypercoffee

[AmazingGrace]

see what you can find out and report back you hear ??:hypercoffee

I will see! I go to church tomorrow night... i might hear something there might not... oh wait I cant go tomorrow... hmmmm It may be this weekend before I hear anything...maybe not... I have connections LOL... jk

[Thad]

I will see! I go to church tomorrow night... i might hear something there might not... oh wait I cant go tomorrow... hmmmm It may be this weekend before I hear anything...maybe not... I have connections LOL... jk


good girl !

[AmazingGrace]

good girl !

I have guuud ears! LOL

[chseeads]

Who is this "Irwin" Baxter you always talk about, Thad? *cough*

[Digging4Truth]

does he man that 2 billion people are gonna die in one moment over the next 12 months... or that the rate of death on earth = 2 billion deaths/year???

Either way it would mean something big for this to happen.

About 56-57 million people die per year worldwide.

2 billion people is nearing 20 times the annual rate of death.

This (https://secure.endtime.com/apstore/product.asp?ProdID=79418) might be where that info is coming from. One would have to pay the price plus shipping & handling to see if the "within 12 months" portion is on there.

[MissBrattified]

Who is this "Irwin" Baxter you always talk about, Thad? *cough*

LOL...Yeah, I thought...isn't it IRVIN Baxter????? :D

[MissBrattified]

Either way it would mean something big for this to happen.

About 56-57 million people die per year worldwide.

2 billion people is nearing 20 times the annual rate of death.

This (https://secure.endtime.com/apstore/product.asp?ProdID=79418) might be where that info is coming from. One would have to pay the price plus shipping & handling to see if the "within 12 months" portion is on there.

Yeah, its overestimated...:rolleyes: In the US, the annual death rate is 8.2 persons per thousand residents, which figures out to around 2.5 million per year in the United States. (But that's still a lot of people.....)

[Digging4Truth]

Yeah, its overestimated...:rolleyes: In the US, the annual death rate is 8.2 persons per thousand residents, which figures out to around 2.5 million per year in the United States. (But that's still a lot of people.....)

Well what he is saying in the video is that the Bible predicts that in World War III 1/3 of the earth will be killed (which runs out to about 2 Billion)

I do not believe that his interpretations of these writings are true to what the words given John were out to say... although I do feel that there will be a time of mass death and major world wide financial collapse sometime in our future

[MissBrattified]

Well what he is saying in the video is that the Bible predicts that in World War III 1/3 of the earth will be killed (which runs out to about 2 Billion)

I do not believe that his interpretations of these writings are true to what the words given John were out to say... although I do feel that there will be a time of mass death and major world wide financial collapse sometime in our future

Oh, I see. :shifty

[QueenEsther]

DID you hear that Reverand Irwin Baxter is building a huge t.v. studio in Dallas???? AND He was soliciting for money on his radio program for it !!!!!!

He was asking for money and needed $30,000 for carpet.

It's "Irvin" not Irwin.

[QueenEsther]

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.

He wants to reach the lost - he still doesn't believe Christians should watch TV.

[QueenEsther]

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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

He believes this - he will not say this is fact.

[Esther]

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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

NO that is NOT what he said!

He believes is is POSSIBLE not necessarily in that time frame, but he believes it is very POSSIBLE!

[Neck]

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.

Sad! How? Pretty sad that folks are just now doing things that should have been done 30 years ago.

I took a pool in my office a year or so ago.

I was very serious and I asked some 75 people several questions.

I asked them the question:

Do you know what Pentecostal church's believe or follow?

Out of 75 only 1 knew anything about Pentecostals.

I aked him if he ever heard of the United Pentecostal Church or Oneness doctrine.

He told me he had never heard of it.

Wanted to know if it was a new revelation.

So the "Church" as some relate the UPC mean's the "Church".

Has not even reached 1 person in a 75 person office in Milwaukee.

Those I had talked to in my interactions about church, I did not ask them the question. They number about 10. As I had talked to them about church one-on-one.

I think we need a bigger audience.

Since most folks sitting in the pews in Pentecostal churches never bring anyone to their church during their religious career's.

In 2007 many UPC ministers are still believing God for 300 strong in attendance in their churchs.

If just 10% of the USA attended a UPC church today.

Population 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.) United States.

There would need to be 100,000 UPC Churches in the US with 300 members.

If you took that number to 3 million it would still mean 10,000 churches.

The message needs a bigger audience.

Today the UPC has about 500,000 members in the USA and some 3700 churches.

Average attendance then is 135 per church.

So you can see why the men in the organization have only the faith for 300 members.

[Neck]

He believes this - he will not say this is fact.

Here is an estimate of people who have lived on earth.

If one divides by 25 as an estimate of average lifespan, one estimates that 96,100,000,000 people have lived on the earth.

this came from a calculation from the following website:

http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ramsey/People.html

Since Azuza street revival is estimated some 8 Billion plus folks have lived and died.

So yes the soul ticker is constantly ticking....

[Digging4Truth]

Sad! How? Pretty sad that folks are just now doing things that should have been done 30 years ago.

I took a pool in my office a year or so ago.

I was very serious and I asked some 75 people several questions.

I asked them the question:

Do you know what Pentecostal church's believe or follow?

Out of 75 only 1 knew anything about Pentecostals.

I aked him if he ever heard of the United Pentecostal Church or Oneness doctrine.

He told me he had never heard of it.

Wanted to know if it was a new revelation.

So the "Church" as some relate the UPC mean's the "Church".

Has not even reached 1 person in a 75 person office in Milwaukee.

Those I had talked to in my interactions about church, I did not ask them the question. They number about 10. As I had talked to them about church one-on-one.

I think we need a bigger audience.

Since most folks sitting in the pews in Pentecostal churches never bring anyone to their church during their religious career's.

In 2007 many UPC ministers are still believing God for 300 strong in attendance in their churchs.

If just 10% of the USA attended a UPC church today.

Population 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.) United States.

There would need to be 100,000 UPC Churches in the US with 300 members.

If you took that number to 3 million it would still mean 10,000 churches.

The message needs a bigger audience.

Today the UPC has about 500,000 members in the USA and some 3700 churches.

Average attendance then is 135 per church.

So you can see why the men in the organization have only the faith for 300 members.

Sobering stats...

The realization that fewer than 1% have been reached should compel us to reach them "by any means possible".

[hartmann]

IF UPC IS RIGHT!!

Why wouldnt they want the world to know? is it because they maybe debated by true biblical scholars?
I thinkn they will be so shouted down by major ministries, they need to be ready to be rebuked for not having biblical proof of their belief.
Its going to be interesting, I cant wait. while were on the road I am sure we will hear about it when it happens.
you watch, whoever gos on their UPC doctrine will be watered down.

[Starbucks]

DID you hear that Reverand Irwin Baxter is building a huge t.v. studio in Dallas???? AND He was soliciting for money on his radio program for it !!!!!!

He was asking for money and needed $30,000 for carpet.


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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????

now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

The 2nd statement is 12 to 18 months.

[MissBrattified]

Which is par for the course so when it doesn't come to pass it's a non-issue just like all of his other prophecies.

This is an unfair statement. Irvin Baxter doesn't "prophesy." He tries to interpret and understand existing prophecies in the Bible. BIG difference. I don't agree with all his stuff either, but he's just a regular guy trying to understand scripture that most of us won't even tackle. I can't really fault him for that.

[Starbucks]

NO that is NOT what he said!

He believes is is POSSIBLE not necessarily in that time frame, but he believes it is very POSSIBLE!

Which is par for the course so when it doesn't come to pass it's a non-issue just like all of his other prophecies .

[Starbucks]

This is an unfair statement. Irvin Baxter doesn't "prophesy." He tries to interpret and understand existing prophecies in the Bible. BIG difference.

Just like Gorbechev (sp?) could possibly be the anti-Christ.

Just like the leopard could possibly Germany from a dream he had.

Just like.... could possibly, etc. etc.

Fair in this case is relative. Not trying to stir something up just stating what he said.

[Esther]

Just like Gorbechev (sp?) could possibly be the anti-Christ.

Just like the leopard is Germany from a dream he had.
Just like, etc. etc.

Fair in this case is relative. Not trying to stir something up just stating what he said.

He also makes the mistake of doing what so many other do and this is to take the newpaper and intrepet the Bible.

Wrong!

Good grief!

[MissBrattified]

Just like Gorbechev (sp?) could possibly be the anti-Christ.

Just like the leopard is Germany from a dream he had.

Just like, etc. etc.

Fair in this case is relative. Not trying to stir something up just stating what he said.

I'm sure he places qualifiers like "possibly" on purpose, because he knows they're just his own interpretations, and could "possibly" be wrong. :shifty

Like I said, I don't get into his stuff at all, or agree with it, BUT I'm not going to call someone a false prophet when they haven't even prophesied anything. That's just silly. That would be like me reading a scripture in Revelations and saying "I think it could mean this or that", and then if it doesn't, you call ME a false prophet. Uncalled for.

[Esther]

Amazing Grace you can catch him on the web at endtime.com 3:00 live Central Time Zone.

[Starbucks]

I'm sure he places qualifiers like "possibly" on purpose, because he knows they're just his own interpretations, and could "possibly" be wrong. :shifty

Like I said, I don't get into his stuff at all, or agree with it, BUT I'm not going to call someone a false prophet when they haven't even prophesied anything. That's just silly. That would be like me reading a scripture in Revelations and saying "I think it could mean this or that", and then if it doesn't, you call ME a false prophet. Uncalled for.


Sis. now you're putting words in my mouth by stating I called him a false prophet. It is misleading when so many times you state a qualifier as possibly JUST IN CASE he's wrong about it.

[Esther]

Which is par for the course so when it doesn't come to pass it's a non-issue just like all of his other prophecies .

This is nonesense!

IF you said the something WAS going to happen and it didn't then I could agree with you. But IF you said it "looks" like this could happen is a totally different situation.

But it appears you like finding fault with him so enjoy!

AS to his other prophecies I don't know of any he has given, most likely it is the same as this, he said it looks like this COULD be it, and folks like you twist what he says.

[MrsMcD]

This is an unfair statement. Irvin Baxter doesn't "prophesy." He tries to interpret and understand existing prophecies in the Bible. BIG difference. I don't agree with all his stuff either, but he's just a regular guy trying to understand scripture that most of us won't even tackle. I can't really fault him for that.

Exactly! Great post.

[Esther]

Sis. now you're putting words in my mouth by stating I called him a false prophet. It is misleading when so many times you state a qualifier as possibly JUST IN CASE he's wrong about it.

Isn't that the reason you use a "qualifier"?

It could possibly rain, NOT a guarantee!

[Esther]

This is an unfair statement. Irvin Baxter doesn't "prophesy." He tries to interpret and understand existing prophecies in the Bible. BIG difference. I don't agree with all his stuff either, but he's just a regular guy trying to understand scripture that most of us won't even tackle. I can't really fault him for that.

Great post!

[MissBrattified]

Sis. now you're putting words in my mouth by stating I called him a false prophet. It is misleading when so many times you state a qualifier as possibly JUST IN CASE he's wrong about it.

Actually, that's the opposite of misleading. LOL!!!! If you don't know something is a fact, you HAVE to insert a qualifier, or else you are being misleading. I've heard my Dad and other ministers discuss prophecy and conjecture and hypothesize, but he never made statements of fact...because he wasn't sure!

Sorry to put words in your mouth. :)

[LaVonne]

Just like Gorbechev (sp?) could possibly be the anti-Christ.

Just like the leopard could possibly Germany from a dream he had.

Just like.... could possibly, etc. etc.

Fair in this case is relative. Not trying to stir something up just stating what he said.

I won't even read his stuff anymore, let alone go to any prophesy sessions he has...there are better endtime teachers out there.

[AmazingGrace]

I won't even read his stuff anymore, let alone go to any prophesy sessions he has...there are better endtime teachers out there.

:killinme:killinme but he is a nice person :):telephone

[Ferd]

IB hsa long held the idea that a war is coming that will end in the deaths of around 2 billion people. he has pointed to several differnt hot spots that could possibly be the spark.

One is the issue of Tiwan, another is the issues that exist between Pakistan and India (2 nations that hate each other and have nuclear bombs).

Another would be the current world situation involving Islamic terror and America's roll.

He has never prophisied anything, he has pointed out his understanding of endtime events based on how he reads the bible.

Some of his ideas are solid, others seem less so. The idea that 12 months is being brought up is not new either. Eventually something big and very bad will happen. History tells us that.

[LaVonne]

:killinme:killinme but he is a nice person :):telephone

That's what I've heard.

In fact, someone told me that he was the nicest false prophet they'd ever met! :killinme

[Strongminded]

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.

Nothing Sad about it...he knows the hour is late and he wants to make sense and reach the masses.....

I for one am proud of his not popular stance.

[Straightline]

I took a pool in my office a year or so ago.
I was very serious and I asked some 75 people several questions.
I asked them the question:
Do you know what Pentecostal church's believe or follow?
Out of 75 only 1 knew anything about Pentecostals.....


?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

What a sad thing to go to some apostolic's funeral - all his co-workers attend, and none have any clue as to what he experienced in God. No clue as to the very name of his assembly. They all ask: "He went to church???"

No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

The exit forms to the right in a
Straightline

[QueenEsther]

I won't even read his stuff anymore, let alone go to any prophesy sessions he has...there are better endtime teachers out there.

If you don't mind me asking....why?

[QueenEsther]

:killinme:killinme but he is a nice person :):telephone

And why is this so funny?

[MissBrattified]

?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

...No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

Excellent points!

Our pastor says: If you feel something needs to be done, God's probably talking to YOU about that!

[LaVonne]

If you don't mind me asking....why?

I don't buy alot of what he teaches, therefore, I don't care to hear it or read it.

[QueenEsther]

I don't buy alot of what he teaches, therefore, I don't care to hear it or read it.

Well, I will tell you right now that he is NO false prophet and he will never proclaim something that he doesn't truly think will happen. And He never states anything as fact.

[LaVonne]

Well, I will tell you right now that he is NO false prophet and he will never proclaim something that he doesn't truly think will happen. And He never states anything as fact.

That's nice to know.

[redeemedcynic84]

?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

What a sad thing to go to some apostolic's funeral - all his co-workers attend, and none have any clue as to what he experienced in God. No clue as to the very name of his assembly. They all ask: "He went to church???"

No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

The exit forms to the right in a
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the point he makes is that IN HIS OFFICE where he works most people have never heard of us...

What about the thousands upon thousands of offices that don't have an Apostolic Pentecostal working in them???

Simply put, we haven't "turned the world upside down", we've barely affected it. Thank God for the souls that we've reached, but most people don't know we exist...

[Starbucks]

Actually, that's the opposite of misleading. LOL!!!! If you don't know something is a fact, you HAVE to insert a qualifier, or else you are being misleading. I've heard my Dad and other ministers discuss prophecy and conjecture and hypothesize, but he never made statements of fact...because he wasn't sure!

Sorry to put words in your mouth. :)

Your dad was talking to a few men at hand that knew him but Bro. Baxter is talking to thousands at one time that take his word as absolute truth. What is going to happen if in 12 to 18 months if we are still here on AF talking about the next possibility that he comes up with? All those people that have heard his future possibilities will once again hear another "possibility" and throw them into a frenzy when what they need to do is to read the other book that is related to the book of Revelation.:coffee2


The Lord is not returning until His work of evangelism is accomplished in the world and it won't be through tv. Oops I think this statement is in the wrong thread.
:pillowfight

[redeemedcynic84]

Your dad was talking to a few men at hand that knew him but Bro. Baxter is talking to thousands at one time that take his word as absolute truth. What is going to happen if in 12 to 18 months if we are still here on AF talking about the next possibility that he comes up with? All those people that have heard his future possibilities will once again hear another "possibility" and throw them into a frenzy when what they need to do is to read the other book that is related to the book of Revelation.:coffee2


The Lord is not returning until His work of evangelism is accomplished in the world and it won't be through tv. Oops I think this statement is in the wrong thread.
:pillowfight

sounds like someone sees themselves as a prophet...

[Starbucks]

?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

What a sad thing to go to some apostolic's funeral - all his co-workers attend, and none have any clue as to what he experienced in God. No clue as to the very name of his assembly. They all ask: "He went to church???"

No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

The exit forms to the right in a
Straightline

Ding Ding Ding!

This has got to be the post of the DAY! :shockamoo

[Starbucks]

sounds like someone sees themselves as a prophet...

Read your bible.

[redeemedcynic84]

Read your bible.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER BE REACHED WITH THE GOSPEL VIA TELEVISION!??!?

Where???

Please tell us, it would clear up so much confusion in our organization!!!!

[LaVonne]

Your dad was talking to a few men at hand that knew him but Bro. Baxter is talking to thousands at one time that take his word as absolute truth. What is going to happen if in 12 to 18 months if we are still here on AF talking about the next possibility that he comes up with? All those people that have heard his future possibilities will once again hear another "possibility" and throw them into a frenzy when what they need to do is to read the other book that is related to the book of Revelation.:coffee2


The Lord is not returning until His work of evangelism is accomplished in the world and it won't be through tv. Oops I think this statement is in the wrong thread.
:pillowfight

I agree with this completely! The church my husband was raised in are so completely sold out to Baxter that they take his word as "Gospel".

[MissBrattified]

Your dad was talking to a few men at hand that knew him but Bro. Baxter is talking to thousands at one time that take his word as absolute truth. What is going to happen if in 12 to 18 months if we are still here on AF talking about the next possibility that he comes up with? All those people that have heard his future possibilities will once again hear another "possibility" and throw them into a frenzy when what they need to do is to read the other book that is related to the book of Revelation.:coffee2


The Lord is not returning until His work of evangelism is accomplished in the world and it won't be through tv. Oops I think this statement is in the wrong thread.
:pillowfight

The above bolded portion is the real problem. :coffee2

[MissBrattified]

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER BE REACHED WITH THE GOSPEL VIA TELEVISION!??!?

Where???

Please tell us, it would clear up so much confusion in our organization!!!!

Uh. You're not making sense.

[QueenEsther]

I agree with this completely! The church my husband was raised in are so completely sold out to Baxter that they take his word as "Gospel".

That is their problem. No one should blame Bro. Baxter for this - he is always up front that he is Not a prophet and that he could very well be wrong in his thinking.

[Starbucks]

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT NO ONE WILL EVER BE REACHED WITH THE GOSPEL VIA TELEVISION!??!?

Where???

Please tell us, it would clear up so much confusion in our organization!!!!

????????????? Huh ???????????

anyway, I'm afraid that there is more confusion than just the TV. :sos

By the way the scripture is in Hesitations 2:17-22.

[Starbucks]

The above bolded portion is the real problem. :coffee2

Now you see my point. I should have clarified this earlier.

[LaVonne]

The above bolded portion is the real problem. :coffee2

Right!

[LaVonne]

That is their problem. No one should blame Bro. Baxter for this - he is always up front that he is Not a prophet and that he could very well be wrong in his thinking.

Yes it is, but then the leadership then transfers that to the saints in their church and then you really have a problem.

[Theresa]

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DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

guess he wants their offerings NOW....

["GL"]

?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

What a sad thing to go to some apostolic's funeral - all his co-workers attend, and none have any clue as to what he experienced in God. No clue as to the very name of his assembly. They all ask: "He went to church???"

No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

The exit forms to the right in a
Straightline
Amen!

[LaVonne]

BTW...I noticed in the August edition of the Pentecostal Herald that there is a new writer for the "Prophetic Perspective" column. Anyone know if this guy is going to keep doing the column?

[Joseph]

Sad! How? Pretty sad that folks are just now doing things that should have been done 30 years ago.

I took a pool in my office a year or so ago.

I was very serious and I asked some 75 people several questions.

I asked them the question:

Do you know what Pentecostal church's believe or follow?

Out of 75 only 1 knew anything about Pentecostals.

I aked him if he ever heard of the United Pentecostal Church or Oneness doctrine.

He told me he had never heard of it.

Wanted to know if it was a new revelation.

So the "Church" as some relate the UPC mean's the "Church".

Has not even reached 1 person in a 75 person office in Milwaukee.

Those I had talked to in my interactions about church, I did not ask them the question. They number about 10. As I had talked to them about church one-on-one.

I think we need a bigger audience.

Since most folks sitting in the pews in Pentecostal churches never bring anyone to their church during their religious career's.

In 2007 many UPC ministers are still believing God for 300 strong in attendance in their churchs.

If just 10% of the USA attended a UPC church today.

Population 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.) United States.

There would need to be 100,000 UPC Churches in the US with 300 members.

If you took that number to 3 million it would still mean 10,000 churches.

The message needs a bigger audience.

Today the UPC has about 500,000 members in the USA and some 3700 churches.

Average attendance then is 135 per church.

So you can see why the men in the organization have only the faith for 300 members.

The sobering fact is that you worked at a place that had at least 75 people, and you had not shined your light to them enough for them to know what Pentecost was.

[Joseph]

?????????????????

If the 75 in your office has not heard about Jesus Name Pentecost,
You are the one falling down on the job, not the UPC.
That is your world - go win it!

What a sad thing to go to some apostolic's funeral - all his co-workers attend, and none have any clue as to what he experienced in God. No clue as to the very name of his assembly. They all ask: "He went to church???"

No television program is going to affect those 75 souls like you can.
Light your world and quit expecting the UPC to do it for you.

This seems the prevalent problem of pentecost today: "Somebody needs to win the world, but not me".

The exit forms to the right in a
Straightline

Well, I hadn't read this far, so I didn't know my response above had already been addressed

[Theresa]

you know, I'm no bible scholar, but I understand the scripture to say that we as Christians have one purpose...to reach the lost.

How do we reach them? By teaching, by being an example...the whole SALT and LIGHT analogies.....These instructions were for individual Christians, not the commission of a few mega ministers.

and what or who is the whole world? Everyone we come in contact with. Our jobs, our schools, our FAMILIES..our friends....No one is going to reach them but US.

It's not about standards, it not about TV, it's not about denominations. HE said for us to just DO it..and if we make an attempt to DO it, He'll use a willing vessel and do the work for us...Like Noah complained that he was basically speech impaired, I think God got a little upset at him when he reminded him that HE would help him....All we have to do is be a light and the opportunity presents itself.

If the opportunity isnt presenting itself, then we might need to get our bulbs changed.

One person at a time. And they are MY responsibility. No ad on TV is going to get my boss in the altar....and I don't care if it's UPC or not, just get them saved where there is TRUTH

it's not Hazelwoods fault or responsibility to reach my co-workers...

[Joseph]

Well, I will tell you right now that he is NO false prophet and he will never proclaim something that he doesn't truly think will happen. And He never states anything as fact.

You have to be a Prophet in order to be a false Prophet. I do not think IB claims Prophet status, does he?

[LaVonne]

You have to be a Prophet in order to be a false Prophet. I do not think IB claims Prophet status, does he?

I just went to his endtime website and it does not say he's a prophet. It does say "Revealing the future through Bible Prophesey"...so isn't it a prophet who is supposed to prophesey or reveal it?

[redeemedcynic84]

Uh. You're not making sense.

look at the string of posts...

Someone said that evangelism will NOT be done through TV, I said "someone sees themself as a prophet", to which they replied that I should read my Bible...

so I asked where the Bible says that evangelism can't/won't be done through television....

[redeemedcynic84]

????????????? Huh ???????????

anyway, I'm afraid that there is more confusion than just the TV. :sos

By the way the scripture is in Hesitations 2:17-22.

nested quotes = good...

seriously... they're necessary...

go back through the links and read the ones they were responding to, it makes more sense...

[Esther]

I don't agree with anyone that I know of as having ALL the answers and understanding of prophecy.

I do agree with trying to wake people up to Jesus IS coming back and you must be ready. IF you listen to IB at all you will hear him say that over and over and over.

That is the point, but WE have to go and make issues out of everything that differs from our own cup of tea!

NONESENSE Christians, total nonesense!

I get so sick and tired of seeing the army of God fighting so much amongst ourselves, when we should be asking ourselves, what am I doing to education the world, those around me!

I'll hop off my soapbox for now. ;)

[Starbucks]

I don't agree with anyone that I know of as having ALL the answers and understanding of prophecy.

I do agree with trying to wake people up to Jesus IS coming back and you must be ready. IF you listen to IB at all you will hear him say that over and over and over.

That is the point, but WE have to go and make issues out of everything that differs from our own cup of tea!

NONESENSE Christians, total nonesense!

I get so sick and tired of seeing the army of God fighting so much amongst ourselves, when we should be asking ourselves, what am I doing to education the world, those around me!

I'll hop off my soapbox for now. ;)

Ester you may be correct. However this is a personal issue since those that work for Bro. Baxter are very close acquaintance's to me in fact I just talked to someone there today. I've seen first hand how some take his teachings as the gospel truth without regards to what others say or do.

As far as Bro. Baxter goes I don't agree with his teachings but he is a good man and brother in the Lord and he has a heart for people. I apologize if I offended in anyway.

[redeemedcynic84]

You have to be a Prophet in order to be a false Prophet. I do not think IB claims Prophet status, does he?

one could make a solid argument that someone who is claiming to be "interpreting" prophecies is a prophet....

I'm not gonna make it right now... but its definately doable...

[LaVonne]

I don't agree with anyone that I know of as having ALL the answers and understanding of prophecy.

I do agree with trying to wake people up to Jesus IS coming back and you must be ready. IF you listen to IB at all you will hear him say that over and over and over.

That is the point, but WE have to go and make issues out of everything that differs from our own cup of tea!
NONESENSE Christians, total nonesense!

I get so sick and tired of seeing the army of God fighting so much amongst ourselves, when we should be asking ourselves, what am I doing to education the world, those around me!

I'll hop off my soapbox for now. ;)

I'm guilty!!!

I"m sure you"re right about IB.

[Bowas]

* * XTRA * * XTRA * * XTRA * *


DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

If that is his prophecy, I counter that prophecy with this prophecy, "There will NOT be 2 billion souls perish due to calamities/wars etc. in the next 12 months."
Let's see who is right.
But I am sure there will still plenty of other sensational prophecies from the End time agents to keep us distracted and disconnect us from our money.

[Bro-Larry]

I listen to IB's program "Politics and Religion" almost every day.

He is emphatic about saying that a war IS coming, which originates from the Euphrates River, which will kill one third of mankind. Ninety percent of that river is in Iraq. Two billion is a little short since there are now seven billion people living on the Earth.

He is not emphatic about when it will happen. He says he believes that the present Iraq war will escalate into WW3, before George W Bush leaves office, and will result in the fulfillment of Rev. 9:14-15.

He did correctly predict that the Berlin Wall would fall, eight years before it happened. He wrote it in his book, and even sent a letter to the President about it.

Some of you are so biased against everything he says, that you think nothing of twisting his words or making derogatory statements about what he supposedly said, when you know nothing about what he really said. I call that lying, no matter how you twist it.

[redeemedcynic84]

I listen to IB's program "Politics and Religion" almost every day.

He is emphatic about saying that a war IS coming, which originates from the Euphrates River, which will kill one third of mankind. Ninety percent of that river is in Iraq. Two billion is a little short since there are now seven billion people living on the Earth.

He is not emphatic about when it will happen. He says he believes that the present Iraq war will escalate into WW3, before George W Bush leaves office, and will result in the fulfillment of Rev. 9:14-15.

He did correctly predict that the Berlin Wall would fall, eight years before it happened. He wrote it in his book, and even sent a letter to the President about it.

Some of you are so biased against everything he says, that you think nothing of twisting his words or making derogatory statements about what he supposedly said, when you know nothing about what he really said. I call that lying, no matter how you twist it.

out of curiosity... what exactly did he say about the Berlin Wall falling???

Did he simply say "one day the Berlin Wall will fall" or did he give an exact (or even approximate) timeline???

[Bowas]

I listen to IB's program "Politics and Religion" almost every day.

He is emphatic about saying that a war IS coming, which originates from the Euphrates River, which will kill one third of mankind. Ninety percent of that river is in Iraq. Two billion is a little short since there are now seven billion people living on the Earth.

He is not emphatic about when it will happen. He says he believes that the present Iraq war will escalate into WW3, before George W Bush leaves office, and will result in the fulfillment of Rev. 9:14-15.

He did correctly predict that the Berlin Wall would fall, eight years before it happened. He wrote it in his book, and even sent a letter to the President about it.

Some of you are so biased against everything he says, that you think nothing of twisting his words or making derogatory statements about what he supposedly said, when you know nothing about what he really said. I call that lying, no matter how you twist it.

Did IB say 12 months 2 billion dead?
I do remember him saying the Oslo accord in 1993 COULD be the 7 year trib. covenant in which 3.5 years into it it would be broken then the last 3.5 years would be great trib culminating in the year 2000.
IB is usually very carful and qualifies his "predictions" with a could, or may be etc.
I do not attack IB and am not biased against him. I just believe his interpretive method is need of adjustment.
Of course, mine is perfect. ;)

[Bro-Larry]

I didn't call any names.

[Praxeas]

DID you hear that Reverand Irwin Baxter is building a huge t.v. studio in Dallas???? AND He was soliciting for money on his radio program for it !!!!!!

He was asking for money and needed $30,000 for carpet.
$30K for carpet? Is it really that much??? Wow...what's next? Gold faucets and an air conditioned dog house? :killinme

[Praxeas]

Did IB say 12 months 2 billion dead?
I do remember him saying the Oslo accord in 1993 COULD be the 7 year trib. covenant in which 3.5 years into it it would be broken then the last 3.5 years would be great trib culminating in the year 2000.
IB is usually very carful and qualifies his "predictions" with a could, or may be etc.
I do not attack IB and am not biased against him. I just believe his interpretive method is need of adjustment.
Of course, mine is perfect. ;)
He also often says "I believe"....

BTW whats wrong with a prediction? What's bad is if he claims to be prophecying

[Praxeas]

out of curiosity... what exactly did he say about the Berlin Wall falling???

Did he simply say "one day the Berlin Wall will fall" or did he give an exact (or even approximate) timeline???
I think in his book he actually did predict that the two Germanies would be reunited into one whole

[redeemedcynic84]

I think in his book he actually did predict that the two Germanies would be reunited into one whole

but that really isn't that impressive unless he stated in the early 80s "the Germanies will be reunited in 1989" or something....

[JamDat]

but that really isn't that impressive unless he stated in the early 80s "the Germanies will be reunited in 1989" or something....

It's very impressive considering that it happened at a time that it seemed impossible. At the time of the prophecy the old regime in the Soviet Union where intent on making America glow for centuries.

Also that the country had become one again only after a short amount of time of one (if not the most) of the most horrendous crimes against humanity. I'm still a little bit in awe that Germany is a whole country again. I surely didn't think it would happen again.

It's even amazing that it was done in such a peaceable fashion. All those other countries that had their fingers in the cookie jar, just gave up their stake in Germany. It was a God thing and He told us so in the bible. Irvin Baxter is the one who saw it first.

America and England had a better chance of becoming one again than Germany did at the time.

[redeemedcynic84]

It's very impressive considering that it happened at a time that it seemed impossible. At the time of the prophecy the old regime in the Soviet Union where intent on making America glow for centuries.

Also that the country had become one again only after a short amount of time of one (if not the most) of the most horrendous crimes against humanity. I'm still a little bit in awe that Germany is a whole country again. I surely didn't think it would happen again.

It's even amazing that it was done in such a peaceable fashion. All those other countries that had their fingers in the cookie jar, just gave up their stake in Germany. It was a God thing and He told us so in the bible. Irvin Baxter is the one who saw it first.

America and England had a better chance of becoming one again than Germany did at the time.

Yes and no... Its impressive because it didn't look possible, but looking back it was very possible...

Also, is everything else that he said in connection with the "Germany reunited" thing still possible??? If not, then the Germany thing was just a lucky guess, since the rest of what he was saying in conjuntion with that didn't happen....

[JamDat]

Yes and no... Its impressive because it didn't look possible, but looking back it was very possible...

Also, is everything else that he said in connection with the "Germany reunited" thing still possible??? If not, then the Germany thing was just a lucky guess, since the rest of what he was saying in conjuntion with that didn't happen....

Have read it? Do you even know what questions you're asking? :donuts

[redeemedcynic84]

Have read it? Do you even know what questions you're asking? :donuts

I have heard some of what Irvin Baxter has said over the years, but not all of it, and I don't know what he said along with the "Germany will be reunited thing"...

if its part of the 4 beasts thing, then it was something that didn't have an end-date to it (which is not impressive at all, most things that split "east/west" will eventually reunite... I'm sure one day North & South Korea will be one united "Korea", too... it might take forever, but I'm sure, if given enough time, it'll happen)

I guess my question is was there some sort of date along with it or something else along with it or was it just "eventually Germany will reunite"... I'm not sure just saying Germany will reunite is really all that impressive...

[JamDat]

I have heard some of what Irvin Baxter has said over the years, but not all of it, and I don't know what he said along with the "Germany will be reunited thing"...

if its part of the 4 beasts thing, then it was something that didn't have an end-date to it (which is not impressive at all, most things that split "east/west" will eventually reunite... I'm sure one day North & South Korea will be one united "Korea", too... it might take forever, but I'm sure, if given enough time, it'll happen)

I guess my question is was there some sort of date along with it or something else along with it or was it just "eventually Germany will reunite"... I'm not sure just saying Germany will reunite is really all that impressive...

You could say that about any prophecy. You're to much of a cynic! :killinme

LOL, so you're trying to argue about something you don't even know about? To funny.

Read the book and get the answers yourself. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see...

[Esther]

Ester you may be correct. However this is a personal issue since those that work for Bro. Baxter are very close acquaintance's to me in fact I just talked to someone there today. I've seen first hand how some take his teachings as the gospel truth without regards to what others say or do.

As far as Bro. Baxter goes I don't agree with his teachings but he is a good man and brother in the Lord and he has a heart for people. I apologize if I offended in anyway.

Did this hurt them in some way?

[Esther]

$30K for carpet? Is it really that much??? Wow...what's next? Gold faucets and an air conditioned dog house? :killinme

No, it was for more than that. The city came in and made them make changes they had not planned for.

Sounds like something Houston would do. :(

[Esther]

out of curiosity... what exactly did he say about the Berlin Wall falling???

Did he simply say "one day the Berlin Wall will fall" or did he give an exact (or even approximate) timeline???

Is an exact date required for you?

[redeemedcynic84]

Is an exact date required for you?

no... I wasn't asking out of "wanting to prove him wrong"... I was asking out of curiosity mostly...

I don't agree with most eschatology that happens nowadays... but then again I'm not sure a real "end of the world" is ever really going to happen unless we get so far in our evil ways that we destroy it ourselves...

[QueenEsther]

You have to be a Prophet in order to be a false Prophet. I do not think IB claims Prophet status, does he?

Nope - but people sure like to put words in his mouth by saying he does.

[Thad]

Queen Esther,

what's your thoughts and opinoins on him building a TV studio ??

[QueenEsther]

I listen to IB's program "Politics and Religion" almost every day.

He is emphatic about saying that a war IS coming, which originates from the Euphrates River, which will kill one third of mankind. Ninety percent of that river is in Iraq. Two billion is a little short since there are now seven billion people living on the Earth.

He is not emphatic about when it will happen. He says he believes that the present Iraq war will escalate into WW3, before George W Bush leaves office, and will result in the fulfillment of Rev. 9:14-15.

He did correctly predict that the Berlin Wall would fall, eight years before it happened. He wrote it in his book, and even sent a letter to the President about it.

Some of you are so biased against everything he says, that you think nothing of twisting his words or making derogatory statements about what he supposedly said, when you know nothing about what he really said. I call that lying, no matter how you twist it.


No one wants to admit that part!

[QueenEsther]

Queen Esther,

what's your thoughts and opinoins on him building a TV studio ??

I think it is great!! I think he should do ALL that he should do to reach the lost!

[Thad]

I think it is great!! I think he should do ALL that he should do to reach the lost!


even though he has historically preached HARD against TV for many years???????

[QueenEsther]

I have heard some of what Irvin Baxter has said over the years, but not all of it, and I don't know what he said along with the "Germany will be reunited thing"...

if its part of the 4 beasts thing, then it was something that didn't have an end-date to it (which is not impressive at all, most things that split "east/west" will eventually reunite... I'm sure one day North & South Korea will be one united "Korea", too... it might take forever, but I'm sure, if given enough time, it'll happen)

I guess my question is was there some sort of date along with it or something else along with it or was it just "eventually Germany will reunite"... I'm not sure just saying Germany will reunite is really all that impressive...

He stdies the Bible IN DEPTH, and while studying he felt like this is what he was reading and it indeed was!! I truly believe that God has given him a "gift of understanding" - he is able to read and understand (after studying) the Bible Prophecies.

[QueenEsther]

even though he has historically preached HARD against TV for many years???????

He still believes that Christians should NOT sit around and watch TV. He doesn't believe that TV itself will send you to hell.

[ForeverBlessed]

I remember him preaching so hard against television at our Church that it would curl your hair.

This is a sad thing to me.

Hey, I remember him preaching against curling your hair ... ;) :killinme

sorry, couldn't resist that... but is was true... of course teenaged girls changed that.

btw, although he might be building a TV Studio... I still think he is pretty conservative on TV itself... and as pastor didn't condone it to be used for entertainment in the home.

[Thad]

FOREVERBLESSED????????????????????

THIS IS ERRRRRIE!!!! SCAREY!!! HERE WE HAD HEARD THAT YOU HAD DIED ! ! !


The death of Foreverblessed was a lie afterall folks @ SHE's Alive she's alive she's alive ! ! ! !

[ForeverBlessed]

FOREVERBLESSED????????????????????

THIS IS ERRRRRIE!!!! SCAREY!!! HERE WE HAD HEARD THAT YOU HAD DIED ! ! !


The death of Foreverblessed was a lie afterall folks @ SHE's Alive she's alive she's alive ! ! ! !

:bedtime Jus' been sleepin'

[Thad]

:bedtime Jus' been sleepin'


you sure have been! we thought you were "asleep in jesus" lol

Rumor has it that you're moving to nashville ?

[ForeverBlessed]

you sure have been! we thought you were "asleep in jesus" lol

Rumor has it that you're moving to nashville ?

you and your rumors.... I would love to move to Nashville... but I don't think anytime soon... thought maybe it was a possible open door... but not now... Indiana is just stubborn about letting me go.

[Thad]

you and your rumors.... I would love to move to Nashville... but I don't think anytime soon... thought maybe it was a possible open door... but not now... Indiana is just stubborn about letting me go.


well you even said so yourself somewhere on the forum..can't remember



have a miserable winter !

[Steve Epley]

I am NOT shocked Jr. is NOT Senior.

[Thad]

I am NOT shocked Jr. is NOT Senior.


but what is YOUR Opinion ??

[Esther]

I am NOT shocked Jr. is NOT Senior.

And that is good, right? ;)

[Steve Epley]

And that is good, right? ;)

NOPE that is NOT good. Senior was a straight arrow period.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

http://www.endtime.com/aboutus.asp

[CC1]

$30K for carpet? Is it really that much??? Wow...what's next? Gold faucets and an air conditioned dog house? :killinme

If the building is very big that really is not a huge sum of meney for good carpet.

My church's last building program was budgeted at fifteen million dollars and ended up being over seventeen million dollars. I can't even imagine portion of that went for carpeting but I know it wasn't cheap.

[QueenEsther]

Bro. Baxter is one who will def admit if he was wrong about something. And since we are close to him and his family I know of a few things that he has said he must have been wrong about in regards to some "standards" - nothing major of course just a few little ones but I think it shows good character to be able to say "hey, I was wrong" and to change your thinking. When someone stays stuck on something just because they have too much pride to admit they were wrong then it just makes them look retarded.

[redeemedcynic84]

He stdies the Bible IN DEPTH, and while studying he felt like this is what he was reading and it indeed was!! I truly believe that God has given him a "gift of understanding" - he is able to read and understand (after studying) the Bible Prophecies.

you realize that that is what "Prophecy" is, right?

Prophecy is NOT just pulling stuff out of air and predicting things, prophecy is also being given a gift to "interpret 'oracles'" (ancient information (READ: THE BIBLE))

If he was "given a give to read and understand prophetic writings in the Bible" he was given the gift of prophecy...

[QueenEsther]

you realize that that is what "Prophecy" is, right?

Prophecy is NOT just pulling stuff out of air and predicting things, prophecy is also being given a gift to "interpret 'oracles'" (ancient information (READ: THE BIBLE))

If he was "given a give to read and understand prophetic writings in the Bible" he was given the gift of prophecy...

Yeah well, he doesn't claim to be one. IMO, he is - but he doesn't profess to be and would never say he was. I think he is just awesome myself. I have never really followed his prophecy teachings really closely even though I was under him for 23 years lol...I even worked for Endtime for quite a few years but I just love him and his family personally! They are some of the greatest people you could ever meet! I loved having him as my pastor and his family along with him.

[Trouvere]

* * XTRA * * XTRA * * XTRA * *


DID YOU HEAR THE REVERAND IRWIN BAXTER ALSO SAID THAT 2 Billion souls will Perish within 12 months ????????????????????????????????????


now, that is the report I recieved from the person that Heard the Program. This may explain his urgency in ministry - perhaps ???

Has he been eating out with Oral Roberts ministries?????:killinme

[ThePastorsCoach]

Here are my Prophecies for the day:
I prophesy that somebody is gonna be right and somebody is gonna be wrong.
Somebody is gonna die.
Some lady is gonna have a boy - or a girl.
The Sun is coming up in the morning.
Jesus is Coming Soon - maybe morning,night or noon.
People that are on TV - watch TV to see themselves - that is why they are on!

[redeemedcynic84]

Yeah well, he doesn't claim to be one. IMO, he is - but he doesn't profess to be and would never say he was. I think he is just awesome myself. I have never really followed his prophecy teachings really closely even though I was under him for 23 years lol...I even worked for Endtime for quite a few years but I just love him and his family personally! They are some of the greatest people you could ever meet! I loved having him as my pastor and his family along with him.

claiming to be a prophet isn't a requirement to being one...

and by claiming to be being "shown" what the things in the prophecies of the Bible mean, he is claiming to be a prophet, whether he wants to admit that or not is irrelevant...

[Esther]

claiming to be a prophet isn't a requirement to being one...

and by claiming to be being "shown" what the things in the prophecies of the Bible mean, he is claiming to be a prophet, whether he wants to admit that or not is irrelevant...

That is the biggest nonesense I have read in a while!

Having understanding of the Word does NOT make you a prophet!

[QueenEsther]

That is the biggest nonesense I have read in a while!

Having understanding of the Word does NOT make you a prophet!

THe Bible does the prophecying - he is just bringing it to everyone's attention.

How many of you truly study the Bible in depth?