It seems the word "Seperation" varies as much as "Holiness" does???

[revrandy]

Many folks preach seperation from the world but are they truely seperate?

Many have their own version of what "seperate" means?

Many preach seperation from their soapbox but participate in many things that aren't seperate...

for example... NO MOvies but a Broadway Production is okay...

NO Football games but a "Show" in Branson is okay...

No Bowling but fishing & hunting okay...


So many definitions of "seperate" but so many opinions as to what seperate really is...

any body got a take on this??

[James Griffin]

Perhaps because one of the primary meanings of Holy is to be set apart (separate)?

Perhaps it all still goes back to "standards".

What is the manifestation that one is either holy, or set apart, or seperate?

[Starbucks]

Many folks preach seperation from the world but are they truely seperate?

Many have their own version of what "seperate" means?

Many preach seperation from their soapbox but participate in many things that aren't seperate...

for example... NO MOvies but a Broadway Production is okay...

NO Football games but a "Show" in Branson is okay...

No Bowling but fishing & hunting okay...


So many definitions of "seperate" but so many opinions as to what seperate really is...

any body got a take on this??

Can someone help me locate the pot stirrin' smiley? :13loads

[Ferd]

let me gore an ox for you.

anyone who knows anything about Golf knows that Golf and Golf Courses is one of the hottest spots for gambling. Anyone saying that Pro baseball is worldly because of what happens at a game, but still goes to a golf course where all kinds of worldly activity is taking place (including rampant alcohol consumption and gambling) is not being intelectually honest.

[Jesuswins]

Why can't we just be happy with upholding the standards that are in place at our local assembly and taught by our personal Pastor's! Instead of Peeking through everyone else's windows to make sure they aren't breaking any "rules" that you have to follow.

[RevDWW]

let me gore an ox for you.

anyone who knows anything about Golf knows that Golf and Golf Courses is one of the hottest spots for gambling. Anyone saying that Pro baseball is worldly because of what happens at a game, but still goes to a golf course where all kinds of worldly activity is taking place (including rampant alcohol consumption and gambling) is not being intelectually honest.

When I lived in Wisconsin, there was a story in the paper about one of the Golf courses being frequented by "exotic dancers" all natural, from a near by adult establishment and being paid for favors. I don't think that happens at Ballparks does it?

[RevDWW]

Why can't we just be happy with upholding the standards that are in place at our local assembly and taught by our personal Pastor's! Instead of Peeking through everyone else's windows to make sure they aren't breaking any "rules" that you have to follow.

Do those that try and police others standards do so because "if they have to live by them then so should everyone else"?

[MrsMcD]

Do those that try and police others standards do so because "if they have to live by them then so should everyone else"?

I have always felt that people that harp on standards, wish that everyone had to live just like they do OR they wish they could get away with (for lack of better words) not having to live by them. Why else do people make such a big deal out of how other people live as far as standards.

[RevDWW]

I have always felt that people that harp on standards, wish that everyone had to live just like they do OR they wish they they could get away with (for lack of better words) not having to live by them.

You mean like getting away with letting their son play baseball............:killinme:killinme:killinme:ki llinme:killinme

j/k

[Jesuswins]

I have always felt that people that harp on standards, wish that everyone had to live just like they do OR they wish they could get away with (for lack of better words) not having to live by them. Why else do people make such a big deal out of how other people live as far as standards.

That makes since to me!!
Doesn't the Bible say not to judge others and that we are known by the fruit we bare. I smell some rotten fruit!!:roseglasses

[pelathais]

I don't golf but I have witnessed this type of behavior on the sidewalks of several cities. Nude or nearly nude - right out on the sidewalk.

I remember in Philadelphia walking to the GC once and being hassled to play some sort of gambling games up and down the sidewalk. To truly live that "separated" life you have to plan ahead and take so many things into account. And even then you always run some risk of being overtaken by "the world."

I was in an Apostolic service when a group of gays decided to do some sort of "protest" and started making out doing all sorts of lewd things- in the church. I was just a teen at the time. To avoid that should I stay out of Apostolic churches?

I think we need to stand up to those things that are morally wrong, not flee from them.

[revrandy]

I don't golf but I have witnessed this type of behavior on the sidewalks of several cities. Nude or nearly nude - right out on the sidewalk.

I remember in Philadelphia walking to the GC once and being hassled to play some sort of gambling games up and down the sidewalk. To truly live that "separated" life you have to plan ahead and take so many things into account. And even then you always run some risk of being overtaken by "the world."

I was in an Apostolic service when a group of gays decided to do some sort of "protest" and started making out doing all sorts of lewd things- in the church. I was just a teen at the time. To avoid that should I stay out of Apostolic churches?

I think we need to stand up to those things that are morally wrong, not flee from them.


Did any of these things affect your Christian Walk?

[lovemyjesus]

Might be wrong on this, so feel free to tell me. I was taught this about holiness: It comes down to your desires. If there is something that you want to do that is wrong, and you don't do it because it's wrong, that's NOT holiness. You still want to do it.

It's a heart issue. Holiness is when God's desires become your desires.

:amen

[MissBrattified]

I don't golf but I have witnessed this type of behavior on the sidewalks of several cities. Nude or nearly nude - right out on the sidewalk.

I remember in Philadelphia walking to the GC once and being hassled to play some sort of gambling games up and down the sidewalk. To truly live that "separated" life you have to plan ahead and take so many things into account. And even then you always run some risk of being overtaken by "the world."

I was in an Apostolic service when a group of gays decided to do some sort of "protest" and started making out doing all sorts of lewd things- in the church. I was just a teen at the time. To avoid that should I stay out of Apostolic churches?

I think we need to stand up to those things that are morally wrong, not flee from them.

There IS a time for running away, re: Joseph and Timothy. The balance between the two is....stand up (shun evil), but if at some point your own resolve starts to weaken, run, and don't be ashamed of it.

[pelathais]

Did any of these things affect your Christian Walk?
No, just the way I walk when I'm forced to go downtown.

There IS a time for running away, re: Joseph and Timothy. The balance between the two is....stand up (shun evil), but if at some point your own resolve starts to weaken, run, and don't be ashamed of it.
I agree. But then again I don't see anything wrong with folks playing a round or two of golf. The fact that the news reported that somebody somewhere went overboard with what was supposed to be a private party and wound up being arrested shouldn't keep good people off the course. Instead we should speak up when things go wrong and make our voices heard.

Don't ban golf just because you heard someone had gambled and was drinking out on the course. In our area it's illegal to serve or drink alcohol outside of specifically licensed venues (and we're considered a "liberal" area). When those rules are being broken, management needs to hear about it. If nothing gets done, then the authorities need to hear about it.

[lovemyjesus]

Did my post about holiness get lost in cyberspace?

[James Griffin]

Does this mean the GC should be avoided because there are those betting on the outcome?:sshhh

[Felicity]

Many folks preach seperation from the world but are they truely seperate?

Many have their own version of what "seperate" means?

Many preach seperation from their soapbox but participate in many things that aren't seperate...

for example... NO MOvies but a Broadway Production is okay...

NO Football games but a "Show" in Branson is okay...

No Bowling but fishing & hunting okay...


So many definitions of "seperate" but so many opinions as to what seperate really is...

any body got a take on this??My take on it is that separation is another one of those "subjective" terms - specifically in regard to Oneness apostolicism and holiness.

How separate do we want to be? How separate can we realistically be?

Is it okay as Holy Ghost filled believers to study in secular colleges and universities?

Is it okay for Holy Ghost believers to shop in malls represented by and filled with all kinds of ungodliness?

Just a couple of off the cuff examples.


:)

[Scott Hutchinson]

Seperation would be one living their life in seperation unto God.
Being a Holy person does not mean we are to be nuts and flakes.
We can be in the world but not of the world system.

[Jesuswins]

Might be wrong on this, so feel free to tell me. I was taught this about holiness: It comes down to your desires. If there is something that you want to do that is wrong, and you don't do it because it's wrong, that's NOT holiness. You still want to do it.

It's a heart issue. Holiness is when God's desires become your desires.

:amen

My Point is.......... who says it's wrong? If it's something that I am personally convicted for or it's taught against in My church. Then I agree, but when Sis. Suzy from the church across town begins looking at the people in my local assembly and starts "sharing" with everyone she meets that we have lost our holiness. Then I have a problem.
IF you trim your hair, if your husband wears shorts, if you take your 6yr old to a G movie, if you part your hair on the wrong side, if you tie a fat knot in your tie vs a thin knot.
I mean really! The list could go on and on.

[lovemyjesus]

My Point is.......... who says it's wrong? If it's something that I am personally convicted for or it's taught against in My church. Then I agree, but when Sis. Suzy from the church across town begins looking at the people in my local assembly and starts "sharing" with everyone she meets that we have lost our holiness. Then I have a problem.
IF you trim your hair, if your husband wears shorts, if you take your 6yr old to a G movie, if you part your hair on the wrong side, if you tie a fat knot in your tie vs a thin knot.
I mean really! The list could go on and on.
Oh no! Fat knots are wrong? LOL