View Full Version : MY O MY!!!!! Man with Goatee Singing Tonight at General Conference!!!
As I type this!!!! A Man with Goatee is Leading a Song on the Platform!!!!!
your opinions!!! are the standards going down the tubes????????????
and it's not Clint Brown let me clear that up !
is he African - American???
is he African - American???
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
Yes or no? Is he?
Nahum
09-29-2007, 06:17 PM
Omg
Hilarious Thad!
Yes he's black so he gets a pass
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:19 PM
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
why aren't you just watching it for yourself?
Yes he's black so he gets a pass
My sister is the one who told me via phone ... we weren't even watching ... but I told her about the thread ...
It's a double standard
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:20 PM
Yes he's black so he gets a pass
Why? Does their chins get colder than Cacausians?
why aren't you just watching it for yourself?
if i can't be there i don't want to watch it - I do regret not going this year. I was just going off of last year- it was TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Does their chins get colder than Cacausians?
Jes the way it is ... Renda .... although I heard the preachers in Wisconsin wear facial hair.
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:24 PM
Jes the way it is ... Renda .... although I heard the preachers in Wisconsin wear facial hair.
MORE inconsistencies!!!! Just wanted to point that out.
My sister is the one who told me via phone ... we weren't even watching ... but I told her about the thread ...
It's a double standard
It's not a double standard. to strip a black man of his face hair is to strip him of his manhood and culture. the white man already has enough strikes against him in this area. let them have their whiskers
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:25 PM
It's not a double standard. to strip a black man of his face hair is to strip him of his manhood and culture. the white man already has enough strikes against him in this area. let them have their whiskers
Thad, Thad, Thad........
Thad, Thad, Thad........
renda renda renda what what what ???
SoCaliUPC
09-29-2007, 06:27 PM
Thad...Yours Truly says you should have been here.
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:28 PM
renda renda renda what what what ???
You've bought into the "excuse"......it's still inconsistent. Either facial hair is wrong or right - doesn't matter what culture you practice.
HeavenlyOne
09-29-2007, 06:28 PM
Jes the way it is ... Renda .... although I heard the preachers in Wisconsin wear facial hair.
Uh.....got a name? LOL!
PM me with one and I'll confirm, but I have yet to see any preachers here with facial hair.
Well, unless you are counting LadyRev.
:D
James Griffin
09-29-2007, 06:31 PM
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
and rightly so??? for a beard??? and since when are "holiness" standards by race? really confused on that one Thad
You've bought into the "excuse"......it's still inconsistent. Either facial hair is wrong or right - doesn't matter what culture you practice.
It was the white people that had to Rebuke that Hippie spirit not the blacks
lisafitzh2o
09-29-2007, 06:31 PM
Thank you, Thad, for not letting me down. I knew as soon as I saw the goatee that you would let AFF know what was going on.
How long do you give it before those in the audience start saying "First TV, then facial hair!!!!!"? :sshhh
Thad...Yours Truly says you should have been here.
you tell her she's right- I'll have to live with the regret but i had workshops scheduled and comparing last yrs GC, i thought i'd skip it this time - bad choice
James Griffin
09-29-2007, 06:33 PM
Thank you, Thad, for not letting me down. I knew as soon as I saw the goatee that you would let AFF know what was going on.
How long do you give it before those in the audience start saying "First TV, then facial hair!!!!!"? :sshhh
Pity poor Jesus if he showed up on the platform
It's not a double standard. to strip a black man of his face hair is to strip him of his manhood and culture. the white man already has enough strikes against him in this area. let them have their whiskers
James, here's my take on it
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:34 PM
Who is the lead singer now - I Love to Worship You?
Thank you, Thad, for not letting me down. I knew as soon as I saw the goatee that you would let AFF know what was going on.
How long do you give it before those in the audience start saying "First TV, then facial hair!!!!!"? :sshhh
I'm just trying to be faithful to the call lisa :killinme
lisafitzh2o
09-29-2007, 06:35 PM
Is anyone watching right now? Carla (Varnell) Burton is leading in worshiip...I went to JCM with her. She looks the same now as she did back in '87. Go, girl!
I'm impressed that they have a woman leading worship. Maybe we as an organization really ARE progressing.
Who is the lead singer now - I Love to Worship You?
The harmony sounds so UPCI.
rgcraig
09-29-2007, 06:37 PM
Is anyone watching right now? Carla (Varnell) Burton is leading in worshiip...I went to JCM with her. She looks the same now as she did back in '87. Go, girl!
I'm impressed that they have a woman leading worship. Maybe we as an organization really ARE progressing.
Thanks - I couldn't tell on this postage stamp size picture.
Is anyone watching right now? Carla (Varnell) Burton is leading in worshiip...I went to JCM with her. She looks the same now as she did back in '87. Go, girl!
I'm impressed that they have a woman leading worship. Maybe we as an organization really ARE progressing.
karn harding leads worship too- great worship leader too !
The harmony sounds so UPCI.
which means what to you ??
the UPC in general does not work on good blend IMO
James Griffin
09-29-2007, 06:40 PM
James, here's my take on it
If the "standard" is "holiness" based then.....
Forget it not worth it... :sshhh
which means what to you ??
the UPC in general does not work on good blend IMO
Stylistically it's a clone ... of yesteryears ....
Very few deviate.
Scott Hutchinson
09-29-2007, 08:06 PM
If I don't shave for a few days does sin appear, say I would be off hunting or something ,would my Holy Ghost be different ?
It's not a double standard. to strip a black man of his face hair is to strip him of his manhood and culture. the white man already has enough strikes against him in this area. let them have their whiskers
Wow. That is really condescending.
Wow. That is really condescending.
why and how ??
As I type this!!!! A Man with Goatee is Leading a Song on the Platform!!!!!
your opinions!!! are the standards going down the tubes????????????
Is it Jesus?
Is it Jesus?
Jesus would be breaking the Law of our times
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
The men get a pass on facial hair and the women get a pass on hair length.
Isn't that racial discrimination against Caucasians?
If I don't shave for a few days does sin appear, say I would be off hunting or something ,would my Holy Ghost be different ?
Scott,
You need to read your Bible/Manual more.
For a white male:
Going for more than 26 hours without shaving is grieving the Spirit.
Going for more than 48 hours without shaving will cause the Holy Ghost to leave you.
Any time a white male goes more than 48 hours without shaving he is guilty of mortal sin and in danger of becoming reprobate. The only cure is to go to a UPC altar, publicly weep (a UPC person must see the tears) and repent, and then receive the Holy Ghost Baptism again (a UPC person must hear the utterance and there is a minimum word requirement).
True Believer
09-30-2007, 05:00 PM
Scott,
You need to read your Bible/Manual more.
For a white male:
Going for more than 26 hours without shaving is grieving the Spirit.
Going for more than 48 hours without shaving will cause the Holy Ghost to leave you.
Any time a white male goes more than 48 hours without shaving he is guilty of mortal sin and in danger of becoming reprobate. The only cure is to go to a UPC altar, publicly weep (a UPC person must see the tears) and repent, and then receive the Holy Ghost Baptism again (a UPC person must hear the utterance and there is a minimum word requirement).
:killinme:killinme:killinme
Newman
09-30-2007, 07:01 PM
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
A long time ago in law school we read the case of a black man who insisted that he could not shave his face because of an inherent skin condition typical of some black men. The fire department insisted that only clean shaven men could serve because of the tight fit needed for face masks.
I don't remember how the case ended; but there was no dispute in the court that there are black men that cannot shave without having a severe skin reaction to it.
So maybe that is the reason for a "free" pass in this regard... Not that God cares one speck! :cool:
FRINGE_NUTTER
09-30-2007, 07:08 PM
Scott,
You need to read your Bible/Manual more.
For a white male:
Going for more than 26 hours without shaving is grieving the Spirit.
Going for more than 48 hours without shaving will cause the Holy Ghost to leave you.
Any time a white male goes more than 48 hours without shaving he is guilty of mortal sin and in danger of becoming reprobate. The only cure is to go to a UPC altar, publicly weep (a UPC person must see the tears) and repent, and then receive the Holy Ghost Baptism again (a UPC person must hear the utterance and there is a minimum word requirement).
Can you imagine someone not familiar with this board reading this and taking it seriously?
ChicagoPastor
09-30-2007, 07:09 PM
Doesn't it say somewhere in the manual that a minister cannot have facial hair? I asked about this before, and a few of you told me it's not in there.
I looked and had trouble finding it.
IF it's not in the manual is the UPC just enforcing an unwritten rule?
Here in VA, they will not license a minister if he has facial hair
Is the man with the gotee the same guy at GC last year with the mustache? I thought the tv star from My Name Is Earl got religion and joined the choir.
A long time ago in law school we read the case of a black man who insisted that he could not shave his face because of an inherent skin condition typical of some black men. The fire department insisted that only clean shaven men could serve because of the tight fit needed for face masks.
I don't remember how the case ended; but there was no dispute in the court that there are black men that cannot shave without having a severe skin reaction to it.
So maybe that is the reason for a "free" pass in this regard... Not that God cares one speck! :cool:
When my husband was in the military it was the same way. The black men could get away with not shaving due to some skin condition.
copyman59
09-30-2007, 08:38 PM
Obviously the UPC has a lack of vision if they're so concerned with facial hair or not! If we're not to have facial hair by some decree of God as a sign of our holinees and consecration, then please show Scripture and we'll follow. Also, men of God like David, Moses, Aaron are out of God's plan because they had facial hair! Oh yes, let's kick out Jesus too as His beard was plucked out while on His way to Calvary...possilbly done by pre-Apostolics sactifying Him for Calvary! Sorry, just my opinion!
Obviously the UPC has a lack of vision if they're so concerned with facial hair or not! If we're not to have facial hair by some decree of God as a sign of our holinees and consecration, then please show Scripture and we'll follow. Also, men of God like David, Moses, Aaron are out of God's plan because they had facial hair! Oh yes, let's kick out Jesus too as His beard was plucked out while on His way to Calvary...possilbly done by pre-Apostolics sactifying Him for Calvary! Sorry, just my opinion!
Now, wait a minute.
Jesus could not have had a beard.
It would not fit in with UPC theology.
Don't you know what really happened?
Jesus had been up since early that morning when He had completely shaved like He did every day and then by the time He was arrested and questioned He had developed several hours of stubble and those big bad Roman soldiers pulled tweezers out of their pockets or handbags and pulled at the stubble on Jesus' face. That's how Isaiah 50:6 was fulfilled. Haven't you had any teaching?
chosenbyone
09-30-2007, 09:58 PM
A long time ago in law school we read the case of a black man who insisted that he could not shave his face because of an inherent skin condition typical of some black men. The fire department insisted that only clean shaven men could serve because of the tight fit needed for face masks.
I don't remember how the case ended; but there was no dispute in the court that there are black men that cannot shave without having a severe skin reaction to it.
So maybe that is the reason for a "free" pass in this regard... Not that God cares one speck! :cool:
I found it hard to believe that no one really knew the exact reason why some African-American men don't shave. For some, it would cause ingrown hairs that are commonly known as razor bumps.
tamor
10-01-2007, 07:14 AM
Scott,
You need to read your Bible/Manual more.
For a white male:
Going for more than 26 hours without shaving is grieving the Spirit.
Going for more than 48 hours without shaving will cause the Holy Ghost to leave you.
Any time a white male goes more than 48 hours without shaving he is guilty of mortal sin and in danger of becoming reprobate. The only cure is to go to a UPC altar, publicly weep (a UPC person must see the tears) and repent, and then receive the Holy Ghost Baptism again (a UPC person must hear the utterance and there is a minimum word requirement).
:toofunny :toofunny
Esther
10-01-2007, 09:46 AM
You've bought into the "excuse"......it's still inconsistent. Either facial hair is wrong or right - doesn't matter what culture you practice.
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there is NO bible to preach against and there IS bible to preach for it.
**Disclaimer...I personally don't like facial hair. :)
Theresa
10-01-2007, 10:36 AM
A long time ago in law school we read the case of a black man who insisted that he could not shave his face because of an inherent skin condition typical of some black men. The fire department insisted that only clean shaven men could serve because of the tight fit needed for face masks.
I don't remember how the case ended; but there was no dispute in the court that there are black men that cannot shave without having a severe skin reaction to it.
So maybe that is the reason for a "free" pass in this regard... Not that God cares one speck! :cool:
When my husband was in the military it was the same way. The black men could get away with not shaving due to some skin condition.
I found it hard to believe that no one really knew the exact reason why some African-American men don't shave. For some, it would cause ingrown hairs that are commonly known as razor bumps.
soooo....
why doesnt he have a full beard and not just a goatee??
I'm just sayin...........
ILuvFPC
10-01-2007, 10:42 AM
PEOPLE.. WHO CARES?!?!?!?
I notice there are no scripture/verse references on this topic... i wonder why??!!??!!
RevDWW
10-01-2007, 11:21 AM
PEOPLE.. WHO CARES?!?!?!?
I notice there are no scripture/verse references on this topic... i wonder why??!!??!!
Nor do I remember reading anything for or against beards in the UPCI manual. Am I wrong about the manual?
James Griffin
10-01-2007, 11:36 AM
Nor do I remember reading anything for or against beards in the UPCI manual. Am I wrong about the manual?
Nothing in manual. Merely another extra-Biblical tradition. This one however is REALLY a stretch to come up with a verse.
MrsBOOMM
10-01-2007, 01:49 PM
Reading through this thread I find that not many if any have xiewed the service in question for themselves.
This choir was announced in a very moving spirit filled introduction as a New Home Missions work choir who had bought their robes off Ebay. It was said they could have had a much bigger choir but they wanted a choir from a Home Missions church. Perhaps this man was new in the church. Who knows all the reasons but It might be a good idea to experience this service for yourself. The message that followed was just as moving.
As far as the choir sounding so UPCI, I just wonder who you wanted it to sound like....:groan
if they was having church on days other than sunday and wednesday, i would not have shaved.
I shave before church on wed. and saturday night.
Reading through this thread I find that not many if any have xiewed the service in question for themselves.
This choir was announced in a very moving spirit filled introduction as a New Home Missions work choir who had bought their robes off Ebay. It was said they could have had a much bigger choir but they wanted a choir from a Home Missions church. Perhaps this man was new in the church. Who knows all the reasons but It might be a good idea to experience this service for yourself. The message that followed was just as moving.
As far as the choir sounding so UPCI, I just wonder who you wanted it to sound like....:groan
BOOM because many upc churches wont use anyone on a platform till they shave. many believe that a Man is not saved with facial hair and will give them 2 weeks after ACTS 238 to get rid of it
if they was having church on days other than sunday and wednesday, i would not have shaved.
I shave before church on wed. and saturday night.
so the other 5 days of the week FERD HAS A BEARD !!!
I found it hard to believe that no one really knew the exact reason why some African-American men don't shave. For some, it would cause ingrown hairs that are commonly known as razor bumps.
I'm not doubting the problem of razor bumps.
But,
most African Americans with facial hair do not just let the beard grow completely natural. They shave certain areas of the face and neck to maintain the beard in the pattern they want.
Nothing in manual. Merely another extra-Biblical tradition. This one however is REALLY a stretch to come up with a verse.
Is "adding to" or "taking from" the Manual as bad as "adding to" or "taking from" the Bible or is it worse?
MrsBOOMM
10-01-2007, 02:31 PM
BOOM because many upc churches wont use anyone on a platform till they shave. many believe that a Man is not saved with facial hair and will give them 2 weeks after ACTS 238 to get rid of it
Well some of those Sistas have had way longer than 2 weeks to get hose necklines up and they haven't done that either. I for one have seen conferences where I wish there WERE platform standards. I might add that this year from what I saw they were better than in times past.
BTW, I was raised in this thing too and I have never heard of a pastor who only allowed 2 weeks for a man to shave his beard. I am not saying you are not telling truth, I am saying that it is not a trend or could possibly not be a well known thing.
Well some of those Sistas have had way longer than 2 weeks to get hose necklines up and they haven't done that either. I for one have seen conferences where I wish there WERE platform standards. I might add that this year from what I saw they were better than in times past.
BTW, I was raised in this thing too and I have never heard of a pastor who only allowed 2 weeks for a man to shave his beard. I am not saying you are not telling truth, I am saying that it is not a trend or could possibly not be a well known thing.
some may allow a few months but id do know wome who will not baptize converts untiel the men shave first. i'm not kidding. we had an ultra con visit our church once and called my brother all upset over it because we baptized people who had not lined up to the standard first. he said they had not Truely repented of their sins
James Griffin
10-01-2007, 02:51 PM
Is "adding to" or "taking from" the Manual as bad as "adding to" or "taking from" the Bible or is it worse?
Interesting question Sam, it appears to some that they are the same.
James Griffin
10-01-2007, 02:53 PM
some may allow a few months but id do know wome who will not baptize converts untiel the men shave first. i'm not kidding. we had an ultra con visit our church once and called my brother all upset over it because we baptized people who had not lined up to the standard first. he said they had not Truely repented of their sins
Too bad Christ didn't know any better, setting a bad example and all.
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2007, 06:07 PM
I get ingrown hairs too when I shave - I have been told that I must be half black. I get a pass on the facial hair cause I am.
One of my Son's came to our church yesterday morning and leaned over to me in P&W and said - Daddy - You always wanted a Black Church and You sure do HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We had people join yesterday from Antigua, WI, Ghana, West Africa, a family of 6 from Puerto Rico and Yes - the Jamaicans and folks from Barbados and Trinidad abound! Thank God for an International Church!
James Griffin
10-01-2007, 06:22 PM
But making exceptions on a 'standard' of 'holiness'??? what next a split end exception? When will the slipperly slide ever stop? :killinme
RevDWW
10-01-2007, 06:27 PM
I get ingrown hairs too when I shave - I have been told that I must be half black. I get a pass on the facial hair cause I am.
One of my Son's came to our church yesterday morning and leaned over to me in P&W and said - Daddy - You always wanted a Black Church and You sure do HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We had people join yesterday from Antigua, WI, Ghana, West Africa, a family of 6 from Puerto Rico and Yes - the Jamaicans and folks from Barbados and Trinidad abound! Thank God for an International Church!
What do you mean by "had people join" ? :dunno
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2007, 10:43 PM
What do you mean by "had people join" ? :dunno
People joined the Vision of the House yesterday - what did you think it meant?
On Saturday night this week - we will have a GET ACQUAINTED NIGHT Banquet for 80 of our recent guests. We have about 10 - 15 new guests every Sunday and usually 3 - 5 on Wednesday.
When people come forward to Join the Vision - Several Elders take them to the fellowship hall where refreshments are set up and they share with them in 5 minutes our Vision and then give them a Membership Packet and ask them to pray about it and return the paperwork on the night they come to the Get ACQUAINTED Banquet and that night - we celebrate them as NEW MEMBERS!
We also Celebrate all new members on the First Sunday of the month.
This Sunday we will set forth and ordain 5 new Deacons.
People joined the Vision of the House yesterday - what did you think it meant?
On Saturday night this week - we will have a GET ACQUAINTED NIGHT Banquet for 80 of our recent guests. We have about 10 - 15 new guests every Sunday and usually 3 - 5 on Wednesday.
When people come forward to Join the Vision - Several Elders take them to the fellowship hall where refreshments are set up and they share with them in 5 minutes our Vision and then give them a Membership Packet and ask them to pray about it and return the paperwork on the night they come to the Get ACQUAINTED Banquet and that night - we celebrate them as NEW MEMBERS!
We also Celebrate all new members on the First Sunday of the month.
This Sunday we will set forth and ordain 5 new Deacons.
Did you know that Christ Church Nashville does not have any members?
ThePastorsCoach
10-01-2007, 11:10 PM
Hey CC1 - Yes, I did know that. We have members - but they are non-voting. Our Board of Presbytery provides the covering and the Bishop provides the Vision and the implementation of it. Only the Board of Presbytery (of which The Bishop presides) has a vote.
Our Church Government Structure provides for:
Board of Presbytery
Bishop & Senior Pastor
Co-Pastor
Elders
Deacons
Members
Attendees
Trouvere
10-02-2007, 07:33 AM
I want some cake and punch.sigh...this diet is the pits.
Atlanta Bishop you are a trip.Ingrown facial hair? Heres a helpful hint though.
If you shave it you won't have to dye it.When my hubby grows his beard out there is more white now.haha..he hates it.
Starbucks
10-02-2007, 02:07 PM
Hey CC1 - Yes, I did know that. We have members - but they are non-voting. Our Board of Presbytery provides the covering and the Bishop provides the Vision and the implementation of it. Only the Board of Presbytery (of which The Bishop presides) has a vote.
Our Church Government Structure provides for:
Board of Presbytery
Bishop & Senior Pastor
Co-Pastor
Elders
Deacons
Members
Attendees
AB how many are in your church?
Just looking around for the NINNY!
copyman59
10-02-2007, 08:08 PM
If I don't shave for a few days does sin appear, say I would be off hunting or something ,would my Holy Ghost be different ?
Well, it would depend on which group you fellowship with! To shave, or not to shave, that is the question!!!
Scott Hutchinson
10-02-2007, 08:33 PM
I prefer to shave but my well groomed facial hair on a brother is ok to me.
To me it's a matter of personal preference.
Scott Hutchinson
10-02-2007, 08:35 PM
I want some cake and punch.sigh...this diet is the pits.
Atlanta Bishop you are a trip.Ingrown facial hair? Heres a helpful hint though.
If you shave it you won't have to dye it.When my hubby grows his beard out there is more white now.haha..he hates it.
They allow beards at your church as I have been there and saw them myself.
copyman59
10-02-2007, 08:38 PM
I prefer to shave but my well groomed facial hair on a brother is ok to me.
To me it's a matter of personal preference.
I agree, but to some it's become a doctrine. If it grows there to start with why are preachers even giving it the time of day in their sermons?
Scott Hutchinson
10-02-2007, 08:39 PM
Personally I have bigger fish to fry,I figure the Holy Ghost can guide one into wheter they should have a beard and such.
copyman59
10-02-2007, 08:46 PM
Absolutely true! I enjoy reading your post Scott, God bless you!
Scott Hutchinson
10-02-2007, 08:54 PM
Thank you CopyMan I just try to emphasize the important things.
ThePastorsCoach
10-02-2007, 09:41 PM
I want some cake and punch.sigh...this diet is the pits.
Atlanta Bishop you are a trip.Ingrown facial hair? Heres a helpful hint though.
If you shave it you won't have to dye it.When my hubby grows his beard out there is more white now.haha..he hates it.
Here is YOU a helpful hint - Do you see anyone laughing with you?
Truthseeker
10-03-2007, 06:39 AM
let me ask ...hold on
they usually give the black fok a pass on the face hair you know and rightly so
Black, white or brown. Facial hair should not be based on race, so silly.
ThePastorsCoach
10-03-2007, 10:42 AM
Facial hair is no ones business but the one that wears it. Who tells you how to wear your EYEBROWS????????????
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