View Full Version : Doctrinal Purity - Is it THAT Important?
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 03:52 PM
Coonskinner mentioned that doctrinal purity was at the top of the list of attributes needed by a pastor. He put it on the same level as a love for God, and a love for people. Does this mean that any preacher desiring to be a pastor should attend a college/University to study doctrinal theology before they pastor? Or.....can doctrinal purity be achieved with a simple bible study?
How does one know they have achieved doctinal purity?
I'm not sure that doctrinal purity is even achievable!
1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Thoughts?
Coonskinner
03-03-2007, 04:00 PM
Weak, Pianoman.
It doesn't matter how loving and sweet someone is, if they don't preach the truth and your kids are lost, it won't be all that much consolation.
ManOfWord
03-03-2007, 04:06 PM
Doctrinal "purity" can only be held in the eyes of the denomination or organization that defines it. These are the primary venues where doctrinal "purity" is examined. They are normally examined in light of an organization's by-laws or constitution.
Personally, I don't think ANY minister qualifies as being doctrinally "pure." We all have some doctrinal "quirks" that someone else would find less than "pure." This is where doctrinal "cliques" come into play. One person is doctrinally "pure" as long as he agrees with the "group" of ministers he associates with.
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 04:06 PM
Weak, Pianoman.
It doesn't matter how loving and sweet someone is, if they don't preach the truth and your kids are lost, it won't be all that much consolation.
My question is, how does one know when they have achieved doctrinal purity? Is it when they line up to what you teach?
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 04:09 PM
Doctrinal "purity" can only be held in the eyes of the denomination or organization that defines it. These are the primary venues where doctrinal "purity" is examined. They are normally examined in light of an organization's by-laws or constitution.
Personally, I don't think ANY minister qualifies as being doctrinally "pure." We all have some doctrinal "quirks" that someone else would find less than "pure." This is where doctrinal "cliques" come into play. One person is doctrinally "pure" as long as he agrees with the "group" of ministers he associates with.
Good answer! :thumbsup
freeatlast
03-03-2007, 04:16 PM
Doctrinal purity is as hard to define as the questuion, who is really the apostolics.
CS no doubt think's he closer to doctrinal purity than MOW.
MOW no doubt think's he is closer to doctrinal purity than CS.
I think we are more excited about it than God is, but that's just my opinion. Not sure it is doctrianly pure.
Most Mormons would think none of us doctrinally pure.
We have to beleive what you believe or agree with your every intrpretation of scripture to considered doctrinally pure, Right?
Coonskinner
03-03-2007, 04:21 PM
My question is, how does one know when they have achieved doctrinal purity? Is it when they line up to what you teach?
Pianoman, let me be very, very charitable...
But at the very, very least, a man that doesn't preach the essentiality of the New Birth is far outside the pale.
Pianoman, let me be very, very charitable...
But at the very, very least, a man that doesn't preach the essentiality of the New Birth is far outside the pale.
I think most Christians teach the New Birth. Just not the way you do.
berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:24 PM
I think most Christians teach the New Birth. Just not the way you do.
There is only one New Birth. You have to pass through the cloud and the sea. You can't have one and not the other. There is no other way.!!!
(now, what will become of me when I proclaim this to the Presbyterians :highfive )
There is only one New Birth. You have to pass through the cloud and the sea. You can't have one and not the other. There is no other way.!!!
(now, what will become of me when I proclaim this to the Presbyterians :highfive )
Your point being ...
berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:26 PM
Your point being ...
What some proclaim to be the new birth is not the new birth. :tease
What some proclaim to be the new birth is not the new birth. :tease
You must be a PURIST.
berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:30 PM
You must be a PURIST.
I've always been a "perfectionist." Sometimes it's a flaw.
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 04:34 PM
Doctrinal purity is as hard to define as the questuion, who is really the apostolics.
CS no doubt think's he closer to doctrinal purity than MOW.
MOW no doubt think's he is closer to doctrinal purity than CS.
I think we are more excited about it than God is, but that's just my opinion. Not sure it is doctrianly pure.
Most Mormons would think none of us doctrinally pure.
We have to beleive what you believe or agree with your every intrpretation of scripture to considered doctrinally pure, Right?
Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
Felicity
03-03-2007, 04:39 PM
I think this insightful and thoughtful post (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=12703&postcount=28) written by Most Excellent Theophilus fits into this discussion quite well.
Check it out.
freeatlast
03-03-2007, 04:42 PM
Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
My friend, I think many peopple "view" God, thru glasses that have been smudged by doctrinally impure proclamations of who He is.
How can people proclaim they "know Jesus or know God" when they their "picture" of who God is is so out of focus.
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 04:44 PM
I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
Everyone has 'bias'. Impossibles not to. But that doesn't mean Truth cannot be found or that it's not important. Obviously the Scriptures assume and declare that it is a must! As God is the all perfect one anything less, concerning Him, is sin.
ManOfWord
03-03-2007, 04:45 PM
I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
It will ALWAYS have bias and there is no way to keep the bias out. I have been around MANY pentecostal circles, paradigms, viewpoints, doctrines etc. I have "bought" into no one's viewpoint completely. I have job to do and that is to feed the flock the Lord has made me an overseer of.
No denomination or group is going to tell me how to pastor NLC. It is none of their business. If I get out of line, NLC has guidelines to follow and I can be removed.
Talk about doctrinal "purity," we can't even get agreement on the new birth from card carrying members of the UPCI. The only way for doctrinal "purity" to prevail is for the biggest voting block to define it and then kick those out who don't agree with it.
Oh, wait, that has been tried and it still didn't work!
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 04:45 PM
My friend, I think many peopple "view" God, thru glasses that have been smudged by doctrinally impure proclamations of who He is.
How can people proclaim they "know Jesus or know God" when they their "picture" of who God is is so out of focus.
We ALL wear glasses.
Everyone has 'bias'. Impossibles not to. But that doesn't mean Truth cannot be found or that it's not important. Obviously the Scriptures assume and declare that it is a must! As God is the all perfect one anything less, concerning Him, is sin.
Agreed ... that's why we need the Holy Ghost ... It can be found ... but if God is Truth ... is truth finite? I think what Pianoman is saying that we know of God is not only measured by our grasp of the truths we find in the Book.
Please don't misinterpret or mischaracterize ... but you would no more than I that everyone says they've got the TRUTH ...
Yes he has revealed himself clearly enough to save us ... but there are things we learn about God outside the Book, are there not? ... take creation for example ... of course what we learn about Him will line up with the Book ... God does not contradict himself.
freeatlast
03-03-2007, 04:54 PM
We ALL wear glasses.
Oh Ok. We can see ALL see clearly then. :heeheehee
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 04:56 PM
Doctrinal purity is the foundational teachings of Heb.6:1-3 is in tact. That is the beginning not the end but if they are incorrect in the beginning or foundation the house has to be off.
stmatthew
03-03-2007, 04:57 PM
Elder, don't you know that doctrine doesn't matter anymore?
Elder, don't you know that doctrine doesn't matter anymore?
Matty boy, You are spreading false witness against me everytime you put words in my mouth like this statement. I do not like it. It is offensive to me, and to many others as well.
Sound familiar .... :tease :tease :tease :tease
berkeley
03-03-2007, 04:59 PM
Doctrinal purity is the foundational teachings of Heb.6:1-3 is in tact. That is the beginning not the end but if they are incorrect in the beginning or foundation the house has to be off.:: gets up out of the Presbyterian pew ::
Preach!! :highfive
:: sits back in Presbyterian pew ::
It will ALWAYS have bias and there is no way to keep the bias out. I have been around MANY pentecostal circles, paradigms, viewpoints, doctrines etc. I have "bought" into no one's viewpoint completely. I have job to do and that is to feed the flock the Lord has made me an overseer of.
No denomination or group is going to tell me how to pastor NLC. It is none of their business. If I get out of line, NLC has guidelines to follow and I can be removed.
Talk about doctrinal "purity," we can't even get agreement on the new birth from card carrying members of the UPCI. The only way for doctrinal "purity" to prevail is for the biggest voting block to define it and then kick those out who don't agree with it.
Oh, wait, that has been tried and it still didn't work!
Amen ... amen and amen .....
stmatthew
03-03-2007, 05:13 PM
Matty boy, You are spreading false witness against me everytime you put words in my mouth like this statement. I do not like it. It is offensive to me, and to many others as well.
Sound familiar .... :tease :tease :tease :tease
Last time I checked, I did not quote you, or respond to your post, and my post was just a general post addressed to Bro Epley. You on the other hand, quoted my post, and then put words in my mouth.
Big difference.
Last time I checked, I did not quote you, or respond to your post, and my post was just a general post addressed to Bro Epley. You on the other hand, quoted my post, and then put words in my mouth.
Big difference.
Matt ... you were responding to all those in this thread that don't think like you ...
stmatthew
03-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Matt ... you were responding to all those in this thread that don't think like you ...
Again you bare false witness against me. I only read a few posts, as i do not have time to read all of them. IF my post would have been directed to anyone, I would have quoted them, as I normally do.
Matt let's concede that we both used sarcasm to make our points.
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 05:45 PM
Pianoman, let me be very, very charitable...
But at the very, very least, a man that doesn't preach the essentiality of the New Birth is far outside the pale.
We can both agree on this from our worldview! :) The problem is that there are millions of others with a different worldview that interpret the same scriptures that we use very differently. So how do we know for sure which way is pure?
It's like every christian takes a gamble. Which ever way they chose to believe the bible, there will be a group that puts them in hell by interpretating some scripture! You just have to take a leap of faith that the church you came to Jesus in, will take you to heaven.
I believe we won't really know until judgment day. I believe I know the truth, but my history has made me bias. :D
Rhoni
03-03-2007, 05:46 PM
We can both agree on this from our worldview! :) The problem is that there are millions of others with a different worldview that interpret the same scriptures that we use very differently. So how do we know for sure which way is pure?
It's like every christian takes a gamble. Which ever way they chose to believe the bible, there will be a group that puts them in hell by interpretating some scripture! You just have to take a leap of faith that the church you came to Jesus in, will take you to heaven.
I believe we won't really know until judgment day. I believe I know the truth, but my history has made me bias. :D
:praying :heeheehee
Hoovie
03-03-2007, 05:57 PM
We can both agree on this from our worldview! :) The problem is that there are millions of others with a different worldview that interpret the same scriptures that we use very differently. So how do we know for sure which way is pure?
It's like every christian takes a gamble. Which ever way they chose to believe the bible, there will be a group that puts them in hell by interpretating some scripture! You just have to take a leap of faith that the church you came to Jesus in, will take you to heaven.
I believe we won't really know until judgment day. I believe I know the truth, but my history has made me bias. :D
I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't say that disagreeing Christians have different "worldviews". Perhaps denominational bias - yes.
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 06:02 PM
I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't say that disagreeing Christians have different "worldviews". Perhaps denominational bias - yes.
I used "worldview" to mean how a person views the world through his biblical belief system. "Dominational Bias" is probably a better way to say it! :)
stmatthew
03-03-2007, 06:02 PM
Matt let's concede that we both used sarcasm to make our points.
I'll say it again. I did not point my post at you personally. You did. This makes a difference. It is not a matter of sarcasm being a bad thing. It is that you specifically quoted me, THEREBY POINTING YOUR POST DIRECTLY AT ME, and then made my post out to be that I did not believe that Jesus saved.
To me there is a big difference.
But I will drop it from here.
mizpeh
03-03-2007, 06:07 PM
I think this insightful and thoughtful post (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=12703&postcount=28) written by Most Excellent Theophilus fits into this discussion quite well.
Check it out.
Thanks for posting this, I like Theophilus' insight into the things of God.
Felicity
03-03-2007, 06:14 PM
I wonder sometimes if doctrinal purity isn't to be found in the "whole" body of Christ. Every "part" of the body has some truth.
Whole Hearted
03-03-2007, 07:07 PM
Pianoman, let me be very, very charitable...
But at the very, very least, a man that doesn't preach the essentiality of the New Birth is far outside the pale.
AGREED
deadeye
03-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Is this an Apostolic Forum? Sometimes I have a hard time telling.
If it weren't for Coonskinner and Elder Epley, I would think that I was on some kind of Doctrine Anonymous forum.
"Hi my name is Pianoman"
group responds "Hi Pianoman"
"I claim to be Apostolic, but I dont believe jack squat"
TRIPLE E
03-03-2007, 07:26 PM
Doctrine Anonymous forum.
Hey I like that Kinda has a ring too it!
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 07:27 PM
I wonder sometimes if doctrinal purity isn't to be found in the "whole" body of Christ. Every "part" of the body has some truth.
There are certain truths in the bible that are not generally disputed such as...
1. One must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
2. One must repent
3. Believers should be baptised
4. One must live a life pleasing to the Lord.
5. There is a heaven for the righteous
6. There is a hell for sinners and unbelievers.
There are other truths besides these that anyone can read the bible and plainly see.
All christian religions have SOME truth!
TRIPLE E
03-03-2007, 07:29 PM
All christian religions have SOME truth!
But when it comes to salvation "some" truth just doesn't cut it!
Is this an Apostolic Forum? Sometimes I have a hard time telling.
If it weren't for Coonskinner and Elder Epley, I would think that I was on some kind of Doctrine Anonymous forum.
"Hi my name is Pianoman"
group responds "Hi Pianoman"
"I claim to be Apostolic, but I dont believe jack squat"
Deadeye then define your beliefs, stances? What do we have to believe in to be considered Apostolic?
I know what I believe.
Hoovie
03-03-2007, 07:32 PM
Is this an Apostolic Forum? Sometimes I have a hard time telling.
If it weren't for Coonskinner and Elder Epley, I would think that I was on some kind of Doctrine Anonymous forum.
"Hi my name is Pianoman"
group responds "Hi Pianoman"
"I claim to be Apostolic, but I dont believe jack squat"
I have read on this forum since it started. I like the tolerance here. I dare say Piano Man has experienced the New Birth the same way you have - with the tee crossed and the i dotted. :highfive
I am enjoying this place myself - grab some coffee and welcome aboard.
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
Is this an Apostolic Forum? Sometimes I have a hard time telling.
If it weren't for Coonskinner and Elder Epley, I would think that I was on some kind of Doctrine Anonymous forum.
"Hi my name is Pianoman"
group responds "Hi Pianoman"
"I claim to be Apostolic, but I dont believe jack squat"
Hi Deadeye! :waving
I suppose you're claiming doctrinal purity! :D
Actually, I do believe the Apostolic doctrine. I just don't put others that don't see eye to eye with me in HELL!
freeatlast
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
Who is this Jack Squat you refer to dead eye. I've never heard of him.
TRIPLE E
03-03-2007, 07:34 PM
Who is this Jack Squat you refer to dead eye. I've never heard of him.
Maybe he is related to Jack Sprat!
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 07:42 PM
But when it comes to salvation "some" truth just doesn't cut it!
I can agree with that. I guess I'm looking at truth like a recipe. One can use part of the same ingredients, but come up with a nasty tasting recipe! :)
Some may put a bigger portion of some of the same ingredients, using the same recipe, and it comes out tasting totally different.
For instance, flour in a biscuit recipe is needed, but if you put too much flour in your biscuits without the other needed ingredients, they taste nasty! :)
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 07:43 PM
I have read on this forum since it started. I like the tolerance here. I dare say Piano Man has experienced the New Birth the same way you have - with the tee crossed and the i dotted. :highfive
I am enjoying this place myself - grab some coffee and welcome aboard.
Thanks, friend! :ty
What is Apostolic Doctrinal Acknowlegement?
I Nathan Eckstadt am a One God, Tounge talking, Holy Roller, Born again, Heaven bound believer in the Liberated power of Jesus Name.
I say young and old repent of all your sin's and the Holy Ghost will enter in...
He is the light today, so get Baptized..... in Jesus Name....
In Jesus dwells the fullness of the God-Head don't you see, that Jesus is the Great I am the Lord of all is He.
He is the one who stood before Moses at the Burning bush of Fire.
Apostolic enough for you!
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 07:55 PM
Works for me! :thumbsup
Felicity
03-03-2007, 08:13 PM
There are certain truths in the bible that are not generally disputed such as...
1. One must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
2. One must repent
3. Believers should be baptised
4. One must live a life pleasing to the Lord.
5. There is a heaven for the righteous
6. There is a hell for sinners and unbelievers.
There are other truths besides these that anyone can read the bible and plainly see.
All christian religions have SOME truth!Right Mr. Pianoman! :)
I'm just so thankful for the part of the body that I'm in. I wouldn't trade it for any other!
In just the past couple days I've come to see a couple aspects of doctrine a little differently. In regard to one aspect it was like ... WOAH!! ... like a light had come on! Amazing really! :nutso
So don't tell me that none of us are able to still learn and absorb and obtain greater understanding of "truth". And for this thanks to some of the pastors as they share their own understanding and knowledge of Scripture with us.
It makes me even stronger in my beliefs re the total absolute necessity of repentance, baptism, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost...... certainly not less so. :bliss
seguidordejesus
03-03-2007, 08:19 PM
Right Mr. Pianoman! :)
I'm just so thankful for the part of the body that I'm in. I wouldn't trade it for any other!
In just the past couple days I've come to see a couple aspects of doctrine a little differently. In regard to one aspect it was like ... WOAH!! ... like a light had come on! Amazing really! :nutso
So don't tell me that none of us are able to still learn and absorb and obtain greater understanding of "truth". And for this thanks to some of the pastors as they share their own understanding and knowledge of Scripture with us.
It makes me even stronger in my beliefs re the total absolute necessity of repentance, baptism, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost...... certainly not less so. :bliss
Would you care to share what aspects of doctrine that you're referring to, for the curious among us? You've already told us which points they're NOT :)
Felicity
03-03-2007, 08:22 PM
Would you care to share what aspects of doctrine that you're referring to, for the curious among us? You've already told us which points they're NOT :)You might be surprised Seg ... and I really don't feel like I can or should open up about it right now. May I will later.
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 08:24 PM
NO ONE is in the Body of Christ who has NOT obeyed Acts 2:38!!!!!!!!!!
EVERYONE without exception who does not preach and practice this is lost.
There is NO such thing as a Christian outside the Apostolic Church.
Scott Hutchinson
03-03-2007, 08:29 PM
One who aspires to Christian Ministry must know what they believe and why they believe it , and one must be able to defend their doctrinal stand with scripture if one can't their defend their doctrinal stand with the word they don't need to teach it.
Sherri
03-03-2007, 08:30 PM
NO ONE is in the Body of Christ who has NOT obeyed Acts 2:38!!!!!!!!!!
EVERYONE without exception who does not preach and practice this is lost.
There is NO such thing as a Christian outside the Apostolic Church.
Do you have this programmed into your computer and you just push alittle button and it all comes out???? Some new ultracon software?:tease
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 08:51 PM
Do you have this programmed into your computer and you just push alittle button and it all comes out???? Some new ultracon software?:tease
It is programed in the computer called my brain and everytime I see the absurd being advocated that folks are saved without Acts 2:38 it kicks in instantly. NO Christians outside the saving message of Acts 2:38.
Sherri
03-03-2007, 08:51 PM
It is programed in the computer called my brain and everytime I see the absurd being advocated that folks are saved without Acts 2:38 it kicks in instantly. NO Christians outside the saving message of Acts 2:38.
Well, at least you're consistent. I appreciate that!
TRIPLE E
03-03-2007, 08:52 PM
Well, at least you're consistent. I appreciate that!
Thats what I appreciate about Elder Epley too -he is always consistent!
Felicity
03-03-2007, 08:54 PM
He's not the only one who's consistent. Hello.
Scott Hutchinson
03-03-2007, 08:55 PM
Well, at least you're consistent. I appreciate that!
The Elder is that.
I'll never forget going to a church where the Pastor is agains't using wine for communion and lo and behold a flyer advertising a meeting with Elder Epley was on the wall of the church and I didn't tell that Pastor The Good Elder is a winer.
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 08:57 PM
I do not rejoice folks are lost but black is black and white is white and up is up and down is down and in is in and out is out. There are 12 inches in every foot and 16 ozs, in every pound and three feet in every yard. Almost right is surely wrong and almost straight is always crooked. Thus is Acts 2:38 or Hell. I am not the author of the letter just the one who delivers it. NOT my church-plan-requirements they are His and let God be true and every man a liar.
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 08:57 PM
Oh Ok. We can see ALL see clearly then. :heeheehee
I'm saying we all have bias....even God.
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 08:57 PM
He's not the only one who's consistent. Hello.
Yes but you are consistantly wrong.:killinme :heeheehee :tease :highfive :bliss :drawguns
Felicity
03-03-2007, 08:58 PM
Of course we always appreciate consistency - even when people are consistently wrong. ;) :)
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 08:58 PM
Yes but you are consistantly wrong.:killinme :heeheehee :tease :highfive :bliss :drawguns
I hope there's a little 'smile' there.......
Felicity
03-03-2007, 09:00 PM
Yes but you are consistantly wrong.:killinme :heeheehee :tease :highfive :bliss :drawguns
Of course we always appreciate consistency - even when people are consistently wrong. ;) :)Haha. I was posting that at the same time you were Bro. E. :D
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 09:02 PM
I hope there's a little 'smile' there.......
I was predestined before the world began to post that and to smile while I was posting it.:highfive
ReformedDave
03-03-2007, 09:07 PM
I was predestined before the world began to post that and to smile while I was posting it.:highfive
Good! BTW, like the hat!
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 09:09 PM
Good! BTW, like the hat!
It was forordained for my head from eternity past besides it was so small no one else could wear it.:tease
Scott Hutchinson
03-03-2007, 09:10 PM
That hat is limited sizement it only fits the elect.
Steve Epley
03-03-2007, 09:13 PM
The dog who licked Lazarus' sores was predestinated it clearly says "and MOREOVER the dog licked his sores and Paul taught MOREOVER whom he predestinated!!!!!! Am I giving the deep things out tonite or what????:bliss
StillStanding
03-03-2007, 09:16 PM
The dog who licked Lazarus' sores was predestinated it clearly says "and MOREOVER the dog licked his sores and Paul taught MOREOVER whom he predestinated!!!!!! Am I giving the deep things out tonite or what????:bliss
You ARE on a roll! :killinme
StillStanding
03-04-2007, 07:12 AM
yes
Ferd, My point is that we all are striving for doctrinal purity. Until we meet Christ one day face to face, we won't know who really achieved it!
In other words, to make doctrinal purity a pre-requisite for pastoralship is practically unachievable. Striving for doctrinal purity..YES! One can only achieve doctrinal purity as discribed by an organization or group of like faith.
STRIVING for doctrinal purity should be a pre-requisite for a Pastor position, along with a love for God, love for people, etc.
Ferd, My point is that we all are striving for doctrinal purity. Until we meet Christ one day face to face, we won't know who really achieved it!
In other words, to make doctrinal purity a pre-requisite for pastoralship is practically unachievable. Striving for doctrinal purity..YES! One can only achieve doctrinal purity as discribed by an organization or group of like faith.
STRIVING for doctrinal purity should be a pre-requisite for a Pastor position, along with a love for God, love for people, etc.
Well said Pianoman ... this "We Have Arrived" mentality is dangerous.
Coonskinner
03-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Well said Pianoman ... this "We Have Arrived" mentality is dangerous.
Not nearly as dangerous as the mentality that truth isn't knowable, and that we are just all floating along together without any kind of line being drawn.
Not nearly as dangerous as the mentality that truth isn't knowable, and that we are just all floating along together without any kind of line being drawn.
Cute ... but not true.
Ferd, My point is that we all are striving for doctrinal purity. Until we meet Christ one day face to face, we won't know who really achieved it!
In other words, to make doctrinal purity a pre-requisite for pastoralship is practically unachievable. Striving for doctrinal purity..YES! One can only achieve doctrinal purity as discribed by an organization or group of like faith.
STRIVING for doctrinal purity should be a pre-requisite for a Pastor position, along with a love for God, love for people, etc.
It is interesting that my studies for sunday school centered around the book of Titus. By the way, if anyone is interested in studing the subject of Godliness, they might want to spend some quality time with this book, it is a case study.
Pianoman, on this subject look what i found:
Titus 2:1-2 (KJV)
1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Titus 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
The Swordsman
03-04-2007, 04:36 PM
2John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Coonskinner
03-04-2007, 08:38 PM
2John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Amen!
revrandy
03-04-2007, 08:48 PM
If Doctrinal purity is not important then you would have to justify Budhism, Mormonism, Confuciosism, and every heretical belief under the sun..
Maintaining Doctrinal Purity is the Backbone of Salvation...
"Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One"...
Steve Epley
03-04-2007, 10:06 PM
2John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Amen Swordsman keep on quoting the Book.:highfive
StillStanding
03-05-2007, 07:26 AM
It is interesting that my studies for sunday school centered around the book of Titus. By the way, if anyone is interested in studing the subject of Godliness, they might want to spend some quality time with this book, it is a case study.
Pianoman, on this subject look what i found:
Titus 2:1-2 (KJV)
1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Titus 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
I think that MOST fundamental Christian denominations or organizations would agree with this scripture. In fact, most will not avoid any scripture in the bible. They may have a different interpretation of certain scriptures than we do.
StillStanding
03-05-2007, 07:27 AM
2John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
This same scripture is used by ALL Christian dominations as they give those of like faith a hive five!!! :highfive
whollyHis
03-05-2007, 07:28 AM
I think that MOST fundamental Christian denominations or organizations would agree with this scripture. In fact, most will not avoid any scripture in the bible. They may have a different interpretation of certain scriptures than we do.
Therein lies the crux of the whole matter- INTERPRETATION.
StillStanding
03-05-2007, 07:38 AM
Therein lies the crux of the whole matter- INTERPRETATION.
I DO believe denominations and organizations err in their interpretation of scriptures! I believe ALL are trying to achieve doctrinal purity, but they fall short!
I wish they'd all see it like the Apostolics see it, but most don't!
So......once again, how does one know for sure that they've achieved doctrinal purity?
mizpeh
03-05-2007, 08:47 AM
I DO believe denominations and organizations err in their interpretation of scriptures! I believe ALL are trying to achieve doctrinal purity, but they fall short!
I wish they'd all see it like the Apostolics see it, but most don't!
So......once again, how does one know for sure that they've achieved doctrinal purity?
Prayer and Study of the word with guidance and understanding given by the Spirit. And since this book is not of any private interpretation, discussing it with wise elders in the church who are versed in the scriptures will keep us from going off into a tangent of error.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Ga 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
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