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Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
LaVonne
10-01-2007, 08:30 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
hmmm...yes it will.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:31 PM
I'm not really suprized.May God bless and use these good men.
rgcraig
10-01-2007, 08:32 PM
Steve Buxton -- just find that so hard to believe after going to JCM with him.
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:32 PM
:bored
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:32 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
I have preached for all 4 of them.....I believe it but I don't believe it...if it is true, then I am sure they'll do just fine....if it is not true, then I am sure they will do just fine....
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:33 PM
Are there any new AMF applicants ?
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:33 PM
:bored
Do you agree with this, or do you think they should stick it out. By the way I have met Larry Booker and find him to be a great guy.
Wilmouth was on staff at my home church, so I don't have an ax to grind.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:34 PM
I have preached for all 4 of them.....I believe it but I don't believe it...if it is true, then I am sure they'll do just fine....if it is not true, then I am sure they will do just fine....
You haven't preached for them lately like last month have you ?:killinme:sshhh
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:35 PM
Are there any new AMF applicants ?
They're going independent not crazy!
Hee heeeeeeeeeeeee
LaGirl
10-01-2007, 08:35 PM
Do you agree with this, or do you think they should stick it out. By the way I have met Larry Booker and find him to be a great guy.
Wilmouth was on staff at my home church, so I don't have an ax to grind.
i know he preached a great message....Sure Mercies of David!
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:35 PM
I have preached for all 4 of them.....I believe it but I don't believe it...if it is true, then I am sure they'll do just fine....if it is not true, then I am sure they will do just fine....
I have talked personally to two of them, the other I don't know, but I agree they will be fine and I think with the change of districts they most likely would have been a minority.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:37 PM
They're going independent not crazy!
Hee heeeeeeeeeeeee
Crazy,if I was uc I might apply.
Oh I forgot you have to be from MS. to be considered crazy.:hypercoffee
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:37 PM
Truth is that there will be a bunch of stuff said about a bunch of people....it is prudent to wait for the dust to settle before you believe anything...then after that, only believe half...
Reliable sources are the most unreliable sources on the face of the planet....if you really want to know for sure, I am sure their numbers are still the same as they were in the last couple of directories...even if you aren't UPC, you should be able to call any number of your UPC preacher friends to get them...
We have found out some of the most ridiculous stuff being said about us...even by family members...LOL! I think those cousins should call us more often and maybe they wouldn't be lying so much about us....
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:38 PM
You haven't preached for them lately like last month have you ?:killinme:sshhh
Hmmmmmmmmmm................no.:killinme
This seems more of an open statement than just letting the card lapse by not renewing at the end of the year.
Would this be accompanied by a letter of withdrawal containing a statement that no fees, pledges, etc. would be paid as of a certain date?
One organization that I withdrew from I mailed in the license and fellowship card.
Another organization I just did not renew. Then when I received a reminder from the local secretary (or whoever) that I had not paid my dues, I sent him a letter stating that I had not paid my dues because I did not intend to renew.
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:40 PM
Truth is that there will be a bunch of stuff said about a bunch of people....it is prudent to wait for the dust to settle before you believe anything...then after that, only believe half...
Reliable sources are the most unreliable sources on the face of the planet....if you really want to know for sure, I am sure their numbers are still the same as they were in the last couple of directories...even if you aren't UPC, you should be able to call any number of your UPC preacher friends to get them...
We have found out some of the most ridiculous stuff being said about us...even by family members...LOL! I think those cousins should call us more often and maybe they wouldn't be lying so much about us....
A couple of things make me believe it, these guys tend to be friends, run together and the source is someone out of their area, so he would know. But I agree, that sources not matter what can putter out, thus my disclaimer.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:41 PM
I have talked personally to two of them, the other I don't know, but I agree they will be fine and I think with the change of districts they most likely would have been a minority.
Good for you on going right to the ones being talked about!!!!
I do not fault them for leaving...I left!
My feeling is that when the org. or denom. no longer suits the purpose of furthering the vision in your heart for the church...then you have an obligation that church to shift somewhere else.
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:42 PM
This seems more of an open statement than just letting the card lapse by not renewing at the end of the year.
Would this be accompanied by a letter of withdrawal containing a statement that no fees, pledges, etc. would be paid as of a certain date?
One organization that I withdrew from I mailed in the license and fellowship card.
Another organization I just did not renew. Then when I received a reminder from the local secretary (or whoever) that I had not paid my dues, I sent him a letter stating that I had not paid my dues because I did not intend to renew.
According to my source, they mailed it in with a letter, thus most likely to make a statement of their disapproval of the direction the UPCI is going.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:43 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm................no.:killinme
I wonder is airfare expensive to OK ?
Rhoni
10-01-2007, 08:43 PM
Steve Buxton -- just find that so hard to believe after going to JCM with him.
Renda,
He and Dearrah were ultra-conservative. It doesn't surprise me a bit.
Blessings, Rhoni
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Do you agree with this, or do you think they should stick it out. By the way I have met Larry Booker and find him to be a great guy.
Wilmouth was on staff at my home church, so I don't have an ax to grind.
Keith, what I think about what these brethren do is really immaterial.
I too, know, Bro. Booker and Bro. Buxton and whatever path they choose I am sure it is with much prayer.
I will add that there is a meeting being called the first week of Dec. at an unnamed resort area for men to get together to discuss fellowship.
dizzyde
10-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
IMO, if this is true, it probably has as much to do with the district split as the resolution. They would probably not be happy with the new district policies if everything goes down the way most think it will.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:49 PM
A couple of things make me believe it, these guys tend to be friends, run together and the source is someone out of their area, so he would know. But I agree, that sources not matter what can putter out, thus my disclaimer.
I know that they run together and stuff, but I just know from experience that things can be said by people who really seem to be "in the know"....and they are not...and it makes me very sceptical of the he said/she said conversations.
There are people who have been shocked to find out that things being said about us by "family" in the District is absolutely false....I had one preacher friend (not UPC) call me and ask if everything was ok......come to find out one relative was on the campgrounds saying that we were DIVORCED......LOL!!!!
It was believable because surely this cousin would know....we have not seen or spoken to this cousin in YEARS!!!! But I guess everyone in the OK UPC (and where ever else this lie has gone) thinks we are in deep marriage doodoo...when we are happier than we have ever been! And no one has bothered to call us and ask if it is true....
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:49 PM
Keith, what I think about what these brethren do is really immaterial.
I too, know, Bro. Booker and Bro. Buxton and whatever path they choose I am sure it is with much prayer.
I will add that there is a meeting being called the first week of Dec. at an unnamed resort area for men to get together to discuss fellowship.
AH HA You are Thad's source of info,I knew it ,I knew it.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:51 PM
I know that they run together and stuff, but I just know from experience that things can be said by people who really seem to be "in the know"....and they are not...and it makes me very sceptical of the he said/she said conversations.
There are people who have been shocked to find out that things being said about us by "family" in the District is absolutely false....I had one preacher friend (not UPC) call me and ask if everything was ok......come to find out one relative was on the campgrounds saying that we were DIVORCED......LOL!!!!
It was believable because surely this cousin would know....we have not seen or spoken to this cousin in YEARS!!!! But I guess everyone in the OK UPC (and where ever else this lie has gone) thinks we are in deep marriage doodoo...when we are happier than we have ever been! And no one has bothered to call us and ask if it is true....
Hey didn't yall have a hair cutting party at your church ?
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:51 PM
Keith, what I think about what these brethren do is really immaterial.
I too, know, Bro. Booker and Bro. Buxton and whatever path they choose I am sure it is with much prayer.
I will add that there is a meeting being called the first week of Dec. at an unnamed resort area for men to get together to discuss fellowship.
Is this the meeting Thad was talking about?????????
Why is it that Thad is leaving....did he call it right????
Steve Epley
10-01-2007, 08:51 PM
Keith, what I think about what these brethren do is really immaterial.
I too, know, Bro. Booker and Bro. Buxton and whatever path they choose I am sure it is with much prayer.
I will add that there is a meeting being called the first week of Dec. at an unnamed resort area for men to get together to discuss fellowship.
I heard the same thing. One of our close friends was invited to come. He said he might go but was not interested in forming another organization. He was not against them doing it but he had no desire to join anything.
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Keith, what I think about what these brethren do is really immaterial.
I too, know, Bro. Booker and Bro. Buxton and whatever path they choose I am sure it is with much prayer.
I will add that there is a meeting being called the first week of Dec. at an unnamed resort area for men to get together to discuss fellowship.
thanks for the input, I hope that everyone can be at peace what they find fellowship.
dizzyde
10-01-2007, 08:53 PM
Is this the meeting Thad was talking about?????????
Why is it that Thad is leaving....did he call it right????
That's what I was thinking, so OK, he had (maybe) the location wrong....... :highfive
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:53 PM
Hey didn't yall have a hair cutting party at your church ?
And the main point of the party was to celebrate our divorce.....NEITHER HAPPENED!!!
I NEVER HAD A HAIR CUTTING DIVORCE CELEBRATING PARTY!!!
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:53 PM
I heard the same thing. One of our close friends was invited to come. He said he might go but was not interested in forming another organization. He was not against them doing it but he had no desire to join anything.
Hey let's me and you go.
I NEED a break.
:D
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:54 PM
And the main point of the party was to celebrate our divorce.....NEITHER HAPPENED!!!
I NEVER HAD A HAIR CUTTING DIVORCE CELEBRATING PARTY!!!
Yet.
:killinme
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:54 PM
Can I ask a question and this is without an agenda,if a man was ordained or held a gen.licensed in another org.would this be recognized if one was applying for AMF. credentials ?
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 08:55 PM
IF it was a Oneness org. would help.
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 08:56 PM
And the main point of the party was to celebrate our divorce.....NEITHER HAPPENED!!!
I NEVER HAD A HAIR CUTTING DIVORCE CELEBRATING PARTY!!!
You mean you haven't been divorced.Boy I thought whoppers were only hamburgers.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:56 PM
Yet.
:killinme
No way I would divorce her...I could never do this good twice!!!...
But I'm sorry to see you admit to your upcoming un-nuptials....:killinme
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 08:57 PM
You mean you haven't been divorced.Boy I thought whoppers were only hamburgers.
Yes bro, we are not divorced and very happily married....yet they have had a field day telling whoppers on us....
pentecostisalive
10-01-2007, 08:58 PM
If this is true, it will probably be the first of many people that will leave. It is unfortunate, but it is a fact. Many people are now reconsidering their relationship with the organization. I hope for the best in all of this.
I do know of a number of people leaving, though I will not mention names.
AmazingGrace
10-01-2007, 08:58 PM
That's what I was thinking, so OK, he had (maybe) the location wrong....... :highfive
:telephone:telephone
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 09:03 PM
Is this the meeting Thad was talking about?????????
Why is it that Thad is leaving....did he call it right????
Really I have NO idea what Thad posted.
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 09:04 PM
No way I would divorce her...I could never do this good twice!!!...
But I'm sorry to see you admit to your upcoming un-nuptials....:killinme
Naw After all these years, I'm secure.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:05 PM
Naw After all these years, I'm secure.
Me too....
Steve Epley
10-01-2007, 09:05 PM
I heard some prominent men were meeting I know some of them and a couple of friends they have invited these men are not interested in forming another organization however if the other men desire to that also is not a problem. Many men coming out of the UPC will not be interested however some will. I will fellowship those in the new org.-the independents-or good guys still in the UPC. I could care less.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:06 PM
Really I have NO idea what Thad posted.
He posted that a meeting had been called in Branson to discuss the formation of a new fellowship...........
Scott Hutchinson
10-01-2007, 09:07 PM
If a card is a man's message,then something is wrong with the man's message.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:08 PM
I heard some prominent men were meeting I know some of them and a couple of friends they have invited these men are not interested in forming another organization however if the other men desire to that also is not a problem. Many men coming out of the UPC will not be interested however some will. I will fellowship those in the new org.-the independents-or good guys still in the UPC. I could care less.
I certainly don't condemn them if they feel to leave would better suit their ministry purpose....they have as much right to make that decision as I did...and it was a good decision for me....I would not go back and I would not have done it any differently!
Hoovie
10-01-2007, 09:10 PM
I am not the one to do this, and I know we have a lot of fallout threads....
BUT there needs to be one more thread started with these names - a list of all who have turned in cards or definetly say they will drop out.
Anyone?
:poloroidThe schism begins.
Wrong. The "schism" ends. The great divide will be no longer as the ultra cons leave the UPC for a much happier and unified association with others of the same beliefs. They will have more unity and the mods and libs left in the UPC will certainly have more unity now.
Pastor Keith
10-01-2007, 09:18 PM
:poloroid
Wrong. The "schism" ends. The great divide will be no longer as the ultra cons leave the UPC for a much happier and unified association with others of the same beliefs. They will have more unity and the mods and libs left in the UPC will certainly have more unity now.
I agree mostly, but there is the human factor and it seems to always rise to the top.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:18 PM
:poloroid
Wrong. The "schism" ends. The great divide will be no longer as the ultra cons leave the UPC for a much happier and unified association with others of the same beliefs. They will have more unity and the mods and libs left in the UPC will certainly have more unity now.
Great point for sure!!!
I'm not interested in who stays and who goes.
I am not the one to do this, and I know we have a lot of fallout threads....
BUT there needs to be one more thread started with these names - a list of all who have turned in cards or definetly say they will drop out.
Anyone?
Praxeas
10-01-2007, 09:23 PM
You know....I don't like the way the state of California is going. I want to turn in my Drivers License but then I'd get in deep trouble if I get pulled over driving a car :killinme:killinme
:poloroid
Wrong. The "schism" ends. The great divide will be no longer as the ultra cons leave the UPC for a much happier and unified association with others of the same beliefs. They will have more unity and the mods and libs left in the UPC will certainly have more unity now.
Let them leave. They will then have a division towards the "liberals" at least until they can't agree amongst themselves.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:24 PM
I'm not interested in who stays and who goes.
I'm not either...I am interested in the information submitted being the real truth from the horses mouth and not some stupid lie....
I'm not interested in that either.
I'm not either...I am interested in the information submitted being the real truth from the horses mouth and not some stupid lie....
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:28 PM
I'm not interested in that either.
well...your not very interested then are you...:hypercoffee
Kansas Preacher
10-01-2007, 09:34 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
That's interesting. I just got off the phone with Larry Booker. He never said a word to me about it, and we discussed the whole Resolution 4 issue and what might transpire from this point. I told him my plans and he never said a word about having already sent his license in. I've got a feeling that someone has told you something they heard from someone else who heard it from someone else, who heard it ... well, you get the idea.
Kansas Preacher
10-01-2007, 09:35 PM
He posted that a meeting had been called in Branson to discuss the formation of a new fellowship...........
I'm going to the Branson meeting. It is a ministers' retreat which has been in the works since BEFORE General Conference. Furthermore, one of the men involved in the meeting is already independent, and his dad was independent before him. Believe me, he has NO intention on starting a new organization.
Rumors....what will they say next?
Steve Epley
10-01-2007, 09:40 PM
Elder I did hear some men were meeting this comes straight. Two friends of ours were invited. One said he might go but was not interested in forming another group. The names are common to us those having this meeting.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:41 PM
I'm going to the Branson meeting. It is a ministers' retreat which has been in the works since BEFORE General Conference. Furthermore, one of the men involved in the meeting is already independent, and his dad was independent before him. Believe me, he has NO intention on starting a new organization.
Rumors....what will they say next?
This is my point exactly on this thread....rumors are just that rumors...
They might just start a rumor that a Branson meeting is happening to discuss why every UC has gotten divorced......
Elder I did hear some men were meeting this comes straight. Two friends of ours were invited. One said he might go but was not interested in forming another group. The names are common to us those having this meeting.
Maybe KP isn't invited to the party ... but there's always the Branson retreat.
Can't say that I care.
well...your not very interested then are you...:hypercoffee
Evang.Benincasa
10-01-2007, 09:44 PM
They're going independent not crazy!
Hee heeeeeeeeeeeee
looks like the independent ranks are growing.
triumphant1
10-01-2007, 09:45 PM
looks like the independent ranks are growing.
Don't count those chickens before they hatch....
That's interesting. I just got off the phone with Larry Booker. He never said a word to me about it, and we discussed the whole Resolution 4 issue and what might transpire from this point. I told him my plans and he never said a word about having already sent his license in. I've got a feeling that someone has told you something they heard from someone else who heard it from someone else, who heard it ... well, you get the idea.
The Pentecostal grapevine does have some interesting twists! I don't think it is intentional lying but someone says something and by the time it gets repeated the fourth or fifth time it is something completely different.
It can go from "I bet Booker turned in his credentials immediately after GC" to "Booker turned in his credentials immediately after GC" pretty quickly. Amazing what a difference leaving out a word or two can make.
BTW - After thinking it over I wanted to advise you that I bet all you have to do to be accepted by the ultra cons who left a few years before you is to bad mouth the UPC enough and they will be willing to embrace you!:killinme
Old Paths
10-01-2007, 09:47 PM
I'm going to the Branson meeting. It is a ministers' retreat which has been in the works since BEFORE General Conference. Furthermore, one of the men involved in the meeting is already independent, and his dad was independent before him. Believe me, he has NO intention on starting a new organization.
Rumors....what will they say next?
Amen!
:D
SoCaliUPC
10-01-2007, 09:56 PM
Just got a phone call, disclaimer-I will retract if proven wrong.
Larry Booker, BJ Wilmouth, Steve Buxton and Clifford Clark have all turned in their cards, I asked for confirmation and the source seem reliable. This will cause some reverberations in the Western District for sure.
Keith
Maybe in the new Southern California District, of which they are all a part of now.
Seeing how only one of the men you mentioned was seen at conference, it really does not surprise me. I am expecting more names.
The actions of some surprise me...when you know the actions of some of them.
SoCaliUPC
10-01-2007, 10:05 PM
IMO, if this is true, it probably has as much to do with the district split as the resolution. They would probably not be happy with the new district policies if everything goes down the way most think it will.
If this has already been asked and answered...I'll get to it...
But what would that be?
dizzyde
10-01-2007, 10:11 PM
If this has already been asked and answered...I'll get to it...
But what would that be?
Mainly the video stuff (for district functions), off the top of my head. The new SoCal district will probably be quite a few decades ahead in the technology department. There are doubtless many other issues but this is again, off the top of my head! LOL! This is all IMO!!!!!!
SoCaliUPC
10-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Mainly the video stuff (for district functions), off the top of my head. The new SoCal district will probably be quite a few decades ahead in the technology department. There are doubtless many other issues but this is again, off the top of my head! LOL! This is all IMO!!!!!!
HA! Actually, you are right. I mean, a powerpoint of video message is knocking at hell's doors.
:poloroid
Wrong. The "schism" ends. The great divide will be no longer as the ultra cons leave the UPC for a much happier and unified association with others of the same beliefs. They will have more unity and the mods and libs left in the UPC will certainly have more unity now.
According to the list of UC definitions...... listed in a previous post....
NONE of the men would be considered Ultra Conservative!!!! I know all of them personally...
According to the list of UC definitions...... listed in a previous post....
NONE of the men would be considered Ultra Conservative!!!! I know all of them personally...
How about "Very conservative"?
Do you agree with this, or do you think they should stick it out. By the way I have met Larry Booker and find him to be a great guy.
Wilmouth was on staff at my home church, so I don't have an ax to grind.
BJ's mentor is Bishop W...knew him when he was a young'un, as he is from here.
On staff at your church...wow, it is a small world, eh?!
Steve Epley
10-02-2007, 07:39 AM
COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hypercoffee:h ypercoffee Just funning.:driving
Scott Hutchinson
10-02-2007, 07:57 AM
Some yrs.ago did teach that organizations was Babylon.
And if you joined one you had received the mark of the beast,and all organized systems were daughters of the RCC.
crazyjoe
10-02-2007, 08:06 AM
...where does Paul Price and his old cronies fit into all of this??...
Pastor Keith
10-02-2007, 08:33 AM
This is my point exactly on this thread....rumors are just that rumors...
They might just start a rumor that a Branson meeting is happening to discuss why every UC has gotten divorced......
The way the information came to me, I was talking to a friend who is a pastor, he was telling me how his church is doing, he then stated that he was called by someone who knows the mentioned Pastors and stated that they are turning in their cards, I then stated exactly what many on here are asking how reliable is your source, he said very, because he is somewhat a part of their circle of friendship.
He only brought it up because were talking about changes in the Western District.
chaotic_resolve
10-02-2007, 08:47 AM
I'm going to the Branson meeting. It is a ministers' retreat which has been in the works since BEFORE General Conference. Furthermore, one of the men involved in the meeting is already independent, and his dad was independent before him. Believe me, he has NO intention on starting a new organization.
Rumors....what will they say next?
KP, your exit from the UPC was "in the works" since before General Conference also. Doesn't matter when it was planned or who's going to be there. I highly doubt the subject of Res 4 and those who are leaving won't come up.
BoredOutOfMyMind
10-02-2007, 08:57 AM
CR
:digging
You are about a million miles off.....
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 12:50 PM
Elder I did hear some men were meeting this comes straight. Two friends of ours were invited. One said he might go but was not interested in forming another group. The names are common to us those having this meeting.
You are correct. There WILL be a meeting. However, it is NOT in Branson. There is no connection between what's happening in Branson and the meeting to form a new "organization," which will take place in January of 2008.
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 12:54 PM
KP, your exit from the UPC was "in the works" since before General Conference also. Doesn't matter when it was planned or who's going to be there. I highly doubt the subject of Res 4 and those who are leaving won't come up.
Believe what you want to, but I can assure that the meeting in Branson will NOT be an attempt to start a new organization. We might (probably?) discuss the passage of Resolution 4 and those who are leaving. I don't doubt that. However, we will NOT be trying to start something new -- not in Branson.
That meeting is slated for January 2008.
Elihu
10-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Believe what you want to, but I can assure that the meeting in Branson will NOT be an attempt to start a new organization. We might (probably?) discuss the passage of Resolution 4 and those who are leaving. I don't doubt that. However, we will NOT be trying to start something new -- not in Branson.
That meeting is slated for January 2008.
Kansas Preacher, would you mind sharing your thoughts as to how many men will be leaving the organization?
Kansas Preacher, would you mind sharing your thoughts as to how many men will be leaving the organization?
I move for KP to be the new GS ...
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 01:19 PM
Kansas Preacher, would you mind sharing your thoughts as to how many men will be leaving the organization?
I really have no way of knowing. I was told that KH expressed it may be as much as 10-20%, but that is strictly hearsay.
I personally do not look for a "mass exodus" at the moment. Many men will need to get their churches disaffiliated. Others will wait until there is another organization to join. I think that, once there IS a viable alternative, 10-20% is not a far stretch. However, that is STRICTLY a guess.
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 01:20 PM
I move for KP to be the new GS ...
We have a nomination. Is there a second?
:gclock
:killinme
James Griffin
10-02-2007, 01:32 PM
I move for KP to be the new GS ...
Excellent choice but Seriously doubt he would want the job.
Evang.Benincasa
10-02-2007, 02:29 PM
Don't count those chickens before they hatch....
Please explain by all means. :)
SoCaliUPC
10-02-2007, 02:48 PM
BJ's mentor is Bishop W...knew him when he was a young'un, as he is from here.
On staff at your church...wow, it is a small world, eh?!
Knowing someone out of Wilmouth's church, they said if Wilson and/or one of the others left....he would as well. Guess it happened.
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Excellent choice but Seriously doubt he would want the job.
Am I confused? I thought by "KP" he meant Kansas Preacher. Did he have someone else in mind? Surely NOT!
StillStanding
10-02-2007, 02:53 PM
The schism begins.
For schizzel!!!! :killinme
James Griffin
10-02-2007, 03:09 PM
Am I confused? I thought by "KP" he meant Kansas Preacher. Did he have someone else in mind? Surely NOT!
my bad, far too much use of initials only in here. :hypercoffee
AmazingGrace
10-02-2007, 03:11 PM
For schizzel!!!! :killinme
ahhhhhh arent we the funny one! :killinme:killinme
AmazingGrace
10-02-2007, 03:12 PM
my bad, far too much use of initials only in here. :hypercoffee
Is JG saying to AG that he is confused by what meaneth KP about KP and the GS of the UPCI ? LOL
BobDylan
10-02-2007, 03:26 PM
For schizzel!!!! :killinme
Surely you meant "fo", and NOT "foR schizzel"... BTW, just how WHITE are you??? :muwahaha
The Mrs
10-02-2007, 06:24 PM
Surely you meant "fo", and NOT "foR schizzel"... BTW, just how WHITE are you??? :muwahaha
hahaha! I think it's more related to AGE!
Just how OLD are you PM??? :laffatu
chaotic_resolve
10-02-2007, 06:30 PM
CR
:digging
You are about a million miles off.....
You really think Res 4 isn't going to come up? Right. Read below . . . I think your the one about a million miles off. :lol
Believe what you want to, but I can assure that the meeting in Branson will NOT be an attempt to start a new organization. We might (probably?) discuss the passage of Resolution 4 and those who are leaving. I don't doubt that. However, we will NOT be trying to start something new -- not in Branson.
That meeting is slated for January 2008.
My point was more that it would be discussed . . . not that the meeting was for that express purpose.
Sorry, but you can't get more than a couple ministers in one place and not have something as big as the passage of Res 4 and the mass exodus by conservatives become the topic of conversation.
Bowas
10-02-2007, 07:28 PM
So has anybody officially turned in their cards or is it just bluster and postering?
triumphant1
10-02-2007, 07:38 PM
So has anybody officially turned in their cards or is it just bluster and postering?
I don't think anyone knows for sure....LOL!
Kansas Preacher
10-02-2007, 09:55 PM
So has anybody officially turned in their cards or is it just bluster and postering?
It's been done. And it continues. (I spoke with the District Secretary of a large district today -- he's already gotten some in the mail.) Mine goes in the mail tomorrow.
Bowas
10-02-2007, 09:58 PM
It's been done. And it continues. (I spoke with the District Secretary of a large district today -- he's already gotten some in the mail.) Mine goes in the mail tomorrow.
I'm sorry.
triumphant1
10-02-2007, 10:00 PM
It's been done. And it continues. (I spoke with the District Secretary of a large district today -- he's already gotten some in the mail.) Mine goes in the mail tomorrow.
You said you were going to wait and let the dues lapse....what changed your mind in the last 24 hours?
chaotic_resolve
10-03-2007, 09:35 AM
You said you were going to wait and let the dues lapse....what changed your mind in the last 24 hours?
He said waiting the extra months to allow the dues to lapse would be like watching a loved one with a terminal disease.
Apparently the one's who are remaining in the organization are terminally ill.
Sad, pathetic statement. The organization hasn't died, nor does it have a terminal disease. This analogy is used to try and make it easier to leave the organization.
Although, if the UPCI is terminally diseased (and it's not, but we'll pretend it is) it's pretty shameful to leave a terminally diseased patient to die.
This whole process has been, for me, like watching a loved one with a terminal disease. Even though you know it's coming, you still don't cherish the fact that they finally passed away. The problem for me now is, if I wait until my dues lapse, I won't be able to "bury" this loved one for three more months. In other words, there will be no "closure" for me until I am out of the organization.
philjones
10-03-2007, 09:39 AM
You said you were going to wait and let the dues lapse....what changed your mind in the last 24 hours?
T1,
you must have missed the post a few days ago when KP stated that although he had intended to just let his credentials lapse due to nonpayment, he felt he had to take immediate action and send them in with a letter. I think that was early on Monday if not before
Steve Epley
10-03-2007, 09:48 AM
KP has mailed them in. He is officially a GIB.
AGAPE
10-03-2007, 09:50 AM
I have preached for all 4 of them.....I believe it but I don't believe it...if it is true, then I am sure they'll do just fine....if it is not true, then I am sure they will do just fine....
Now I wonder who YOU are
triumphant1
10-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Now I wonder who YOU are
Really? I don't think that is much of a secret on here.....
triumphant1
10-03-2007, 10:02 AM
T1,
you must have missed the post a few days ago when KP stated that although he had intended to just let his credentials lapse due to nonpayment, he felt he had to take immediate action and send them in with a letter. I think that was early on Monday if not before
Ok...sorry I missed that....my question is retracted...thanks and God bless KP!!!
Old Paths
10-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Now I wonder who YOU are
But not lately and probably not again.
:D
triumphant1
10-03-2007, 10:06 AM
But not lately and probably not again.
:D
A few years back...and I have no desire to...:hypercoffee
Old Paths
10-03-2007, 10:11 AM
A few years back...and I have no desire to...:hypercoffee
Right, but YOUR "desire to" has little to do with it.
Remember it's by invitation only.
:D
HADDOCK
10-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Just curious as to predictions RE: Tennessee ministers pulling out. My dad, now gone home, was UPC and growing up I would hear the discussion and the latest buzz. I know TN District is not considered ultra con but there are a few I would think that would be.
Consapostolic1
10-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Does anyone know who's pulling out in OK district?
Scott Hutchinson
10-03-2007, 11:27 AM
I'm nosey is anybody in AL. pulling out ?
Steve Epley
10-03-2007, 11:34 AM
I'm nosey is anybody in AL. pulling out ?
I have a friend in Southern Al. that is pulling out. First he has to disaffilliate his church.
Scott Hutchinson
10-03-2007, 11:55 AM
Southern AL.eh it's none of my business really but I think Northern AL. would be more con. than South AL.
dizzyde
10-03-2007, 12:06 PM
HA! Actually, you are right. I mean, a powerpoint of video message is knocking at hell's doors.
Don't you know it!!!! :slaphappy :slaphappy :slaphappy
triumphant1
10-03-2007, 02:15 PM
Right, but YOUR "desire to" has little to do with it.
Remember it's by invitation only.
:D
Who says I don't get multiple invitations a month to go there and preach the real truth...but I turn them all down because of my convictions....:hypercoffee
Kansas Preacher
10-03-2007, 08:22 PM
He said waiting the extra months to allow the dues to lapse would be like watching a loved one with a terminal disease.
Apparently the one's who are remaining in the organization are terminally ill.
Sad, pathetic statement. The organization hasn't died, nor does it have a terminal disease. This analogy is used to try and make it easier to leave the organization.
Although, if the UPCI is terminally diseased (and it's not, but we'll pretend it is) it's pretty shameful to leave a terminally diseased patient to die.
Well, you have quite a way with twisting someone else's words, don't you? There is absolutely NO way to interpret my remarks the way you did. I have stated MANY times that I hold absolutely nothing against those who remain.
I will try again, not for YOUR sake -- because you obviously have quite the agenda. Rather, I will try to explain so that others, who might actually LISTEN, will know it is not at all the way YOU have described it.
My illustration about watching a loved one with a terminal illness was speaking directly about the drift to the left which I have observed in the UPC. To me, it was as if something died with the passage of Resolution 4. It was more than a change of a decision. It was, at least to me, a change of direction.
My entire point was about waiting until the end of the year to get out. I clearly stated that, since the "death" (the passage of Resolution 4), I would find no closure until I was out. I wasn't saying (and I can't believe you actually took it that way -- I honestly think you simply wanted to try to make me look bad) that those who stay in are diseased and I'm walking away while they are terminally ill. If you want to talk about a "sad, pathetic statement," it was YOUR statement concerning me and my actions.
I have no animosity towards the UPCI. That is a fact. I am not angry, nor bitter. I am seriously disappointed. I was opposed to the use of television when the issue first came up on the 1970's. In fact, I wrote a letter to MH (when I was only 14, and a new convert) expressing my disappointment and dismay. Had the United Pentecostal Church allowed it in the 1970's, I would never have sought license in the first place. Now that they have reversed their historic stand, I will not remain.
This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with me thinking ill of those who remain. I have heard FAR WORSE things about those of us getting out by some of you (especially YOU, CR), than what I've heard those on our side saying about the ones who stay.
I await your apology.
Kansas Preacher
10-03-2007, 08:24 PM
Ok...sorry I missed that....my question is retracted...thanks and God bless KP!!!
Thank you, T1. Your graciousness to me during this difficult time has been refreshing. I sincerely appreciate it.
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