Who Has The Law Of God Written In/On Their Hearts?

[Digging4Truth]

In another thread I offered the prophecy in Jeremiah that God would write his law on our hearts and put it in our inward parts.

I then offered the recalling of these scriptures in Hebrews in reference to a new and better covenant.

This is what Hebrews has to say.

Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Hbr 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

The response this was, among other things, "Not everyone has the law of God written in their heart. "

So... here is the question for this thread.

Who does/does not have the law of God written in their heart?

[Timmy]

:popcorn2

[Digging4Truth]

:popcorn2

So popcorn eaters do or do not have the law of God written on their hearts. :)

[Timmy]

So popcorn eaters do or do not have the law of God written on their hearts. :)

Some do and some don't. Maybe. :toofunny

[Nahum]

Christians only.

[Digging4Truth]

Christians only.

Agreed...

All christians?

[Nahum]

Agreed...

All christians?

All Christians, but some ignore what is written.

That is the truest example of "quenching the Spirit."

[tbpew]

All Christians, but some ignore what is written.

That is the truest example of "quenching the Spirit."

continuing this extraction effort:hypercoffee

is the establishing condition of being a christ-like (christian) person, that you have the spirit of God dwelling in your heart?

(I am aware I am asking PP, just helping develop this a little)

[Nahum]

continuing this extraction effort:hypercoffee

is the establishing condition of being a christ-like (christian) person, that you have the spirit of God dwelling in your heart?

(I am aware I am asking PP, just helping develop this a little)

Of course.

We're not talking about morality here, as that would be a work of the flesh. We are talking about the regenerative process....i.e...the fruit, or end results, of the Spirit's work.

[Digging4Truth]

Now see... this is where you aren't going to like what I say...

I think that teaching rules rather than concepts causes one to begin to take their eye off the prize of an indwelling writing of the law & nature of God that walks us to maturity and relationship and begins to set their eyes on an outward set of rules which do not necessarily deal with the core spiritual issues.

Instead of a list of rules... teach modesty and let them work out their own salvation.

Instead of a list of rules... teach honesty and let them work out their own salvation.

Instead of a list of rules... teach good stewardship and let them work out their own salvation.

After all... is He slack concerning His promise to lead and guide us into all truth?

There is, of course, always the availability of counsel because people have questions and need someone to be a mentor. But even then... we don't make the decisions for them... we teach them how to search out the mind of God for themselves and they build relationship.

I see my role as a mentor equal to my role as a father. My greatest achievement would be that I work myself out of a job.

My greatest achievement would be that I teach them enough about relationship with their savior that they learn to find His nature & spirit on their own.

But... the great fear is... what if they come to a different conclusion than I have? (Shudder) And so we teach them our version of the rules just in case.

[mizpeh]

Now see... this is where you aren't going to like what I say...
I think that teaching rules rather than concepts causes one to begin to take their eye off the prize of an indwelling writing of the law & nature of God that walks us to maturity and relationship and begins to set their eyes on an outward set of rules which do not necessarily deal with the core spiritual issues.

Instead of a list of rules... teach modesty and let them work out their own salvation.

Instead of a list of rules... teach honesty and let them work out their own salvation.

Instead of a list of rules... teach good stewardship and let them work out their own salvation.

After all... is He slack concerning His promise to lead and guide us into all truth?

There is, of course, always the availability of counsel because people have questions and need someone to be a mentor. But even then... we don't make the decisions for them... we teach them how to search out the mind of God for themselves and they build relationship.

I see my role as a mentor equal to my role as a father. My greatest achievement would be that I work myself out of a job.

My greatest achievement would be that I teach them enough about relationship with their savior that they learn to find His nature & spirit on their own.

But... the great fear is... what if they come to a different conclusion than I have? (Shudder) And so we teach them our version of the rules just in case.
What's not to like, D4T? :)

[Nahum]

Rules can never replace relationship, but there is no relationship without rules.

I agree that legalism is rampant, but that doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the wash. Far better to taken a reasoned, biblical approach to all things.

Consider this rule "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

[mizpeh]

Rules? Principles? Commandments? I think we need to sort these out. D4T is saying something is a general principle and leaves the finer points to the conviction of the Holy Spirit where PP applies the doing of the verb, believe, as a rule.....

[Timmy]

Rules can never replace relationship, but there is no relationship without rules.

I agree that legalism is rampant, but that doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the wash. Far better to taken a reasoned, biblical approach to all things.

Consider this rule "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

Everyone who seeks Him?

[Digging4Truth]

Rules can never replace relationship, but there is no relationship without rules.

I agree that legalism is rampant, but that doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the wash. Far better to taken a reasoned, biblical approach to all things.

Consider this rule "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:6


There is nothing in the word of God, properly understood, that is not beneficial to our salvation and bringing us to relationship.

But I guess we will never really get a chance to discuss this productively because we cannot find an agreement on what is meant when I say rules versus what you mean when you say rules.

By rules I mean... Don't wear this... Don't go to that type of function, Don't listen to that...

These types of things which are not basic concepts to apply to ones life but specific instructions given to another for which there is no need or room for interpretation but are, instead, a dealt out interpretation scripture.

[RevDWW]

All Christians, but some ignore what is written.

That is the truest example of "quenching the Spirit."

Couldn't "quenching the Spirit" also be living by the letter of the law and not the Spirit of the law?

[Digging4Truth]

Couldn't "quenching the Spirit" also be living by the letter of the law and not the Spirit of the law?

A dizzying thought... I think there is more in that phrase than I will be able to study out in months.

A very compelling thought.

[Nahum]

Couldn't "quenching the Spirit" also be living by the letter of the law and not the Spirit of the law?

Do tell.

Quite possible.

Keep going.:hypercoffee

[Nahum]

There is nothing in the word of God, properly understood, that is not beneficial to our salvation and bringing us to relationship.

But I guess we will never really get a chance to discuss this productively because we cannot find an agreement on what is meant when I say rules versus what you mean when you say rules.

By rules I mean... Don't wear this... Don't go to that type of function, Don't listen to that...

These types of things which are not basic concepts to apply to ones life but specific instructions given to another for which there is no need or room for interpretation but are, instead, a dealt out interpretation scripture.

Those are applications of principles;therefore, man-made rules. I was speaking about God-instituted rules.

Ten commandments, love your neighbor kind of stuff. Those are rules that are not really application based or interpretive. You are either obedient or disobedient to them. Right relationship is predicated upon obedience to those rules.

So I think we agree.

But wouldn't a KISS tee shirt be wordly? How could God (forget the pastor) be pleased with us marketing such garbage on our bodies?

[RevDWW]

Do tell.

Quite possible.

Keep going.:hypercoffee

Isn't the Holy Ghost really the Spirit of Love?

So am I quench'n
If I don't love,
If I don't exhibit the joy,
If I'm not at peace,
If I'm short tempered,
If I'm all about me,
If I'm treat'n others like in a way I would not want to be treated?


In short am I quenching the Spirit if I'm not producing the Fruit of the Spirit?

[Nahum]

Isn't the Holy Ghost really the Spirit of Love?

So am I quench'n
If I don't love,
If I don't exhibit the joy,
If I'm not at peace,
If I'm short tempered,
If I'm all about me,
If I'm treat'n others like in a way I would not want to be treated?


In short am I quenching the Spirit if I'm not producing the Fruit of the Spirit?


Disclaimer:

Actually we do not produce the fruit if the Spirit, we only allow it to do its work. It is the SPIRIT'S work, not ours.

Fruit comes naturally. The only part we play is allowing God to do what he wants in us.

[RevDWW]

Living by the rules is not mentioned as an attribute of the Fruit of the Spirit, but if I truly love Jesus I will follow His "Rules" of conduct. Sometime rules without relationship are ok if they lead you into relationship. But in general, those who follow rules without relationship end up wrecks. Some only end hurting themselves others hurting themselves and innocent bystanders. Fear is a great thing to have until understanding and maturity comes along. And when perfect love is manifest, fear is cast out. When I was a child, I had a fear of Mom telling Dad , when he got home, something I had done wrong. But as I grew and matured, I understood Dad might discipline me but he did it for my good. The Church needs to work on getting Saints matured, not stunting their grow so that they can be easily controlled.

Boundaries can be Good. Come everybody say it with me...boundaries can be and often are good. Rules are just stated boundaries. God created one of the greatest boundaries when He clothed us in our skin. For all you boundary hates, think what would happen if your skin was gone.......yuck...guts in the dirt, blood everywhere, germs having easy access to things they ought not, a few days of horrible infection and pain, then death. What we need to figure out is what "rules" are really covering us and stick with those.

[Digging4Truth]

Disclaimer:

Actually we do not produce the fruit if the Spirit, we only allow it to do its work. It is the SPIRIT'S work, not ours.

Fruit comes naturally. The only part we play is allowing God to do what he wants in us.

Fruit is the product of the new creature.

We are but dirt... made from the dust of the earth the seed of the word is planted within us and something new is created which is neither seed nor dirt.

That new creature bears the fruit encoded in the dna of the seed that was planted.

[RevDWW]

Disclaimer:

Actually we do not produce the fruit if the Spirit, we only allow it to do its work. It is the SPIRIT'S work, not ours.

Fruit comes naturally. The only part we play is allowing God to do what he wants in us.

I disclaim your disclaimer..........John told the crowd to bring forth fruit meet for repentance........:killinme :killinme :killinme