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rgcraig
03-05-2007, 08:53 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

MissBrattified
03-05-2007, 08:56 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Unless you are happy where you are, then take some classes and get your degree. :highfive

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:00 AM
Unless you are happy where you are, then take some classes and get your degree. :highfive

I am happy, but since circumstances have changed for me and I know that I will have to work until Jesus comes, I really need to consider for my future.

It's just not working out like I had hoped - I wanted to retire in four years now it looks like I'll be going to college instead.

BoredOutOfMyMind
03-05-2007, 09:01 AM
I am happy, but since circumstances have changed for me and I know that I will have to work until Jesus comes, I really need to consider for my future.

It's just not working out like I had hoped - I wanted to retire in four years now it looks like I'll be going to college instead.

Does the company help pay for college?


















can you take your laptop to class and post here? :highfive

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:03 AM
Does the company help pay for college?



can you take your laptop to class and post here? :highfiveYes, actually they do have a reimbursement program, so I have no excuse!

If I go back to school I would probably have to give up AFF unless you guys help me with my homework!

Posting during class is probably not an option. :heeheehee

MissBrattified
03-05-2007, 09:04 AM
Does the company help pay for college?

Good question--lots of good companies will pay for classes!

COOPER
03-05-2007, 09:04 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Are they blowing smoke or is this an actual rule?

BrotherEastman
03-05-2007, 09:06 AM
Yes, actually they do, so I have no excuse!

If I go back to school I would probably have to give up AFF unless you guys help me with my homework!

Posting during class is probably not an option. :heeheehee
If you are going to retire in four years, would it be worth going back?

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:06 AM
Are they blowing smoke or is this an actual rule?

For real.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:06 AM
If you are going to retire in four years, would it be worth going back?
That was my original plan, but circumstances have changed so that I will have to work forever now.

Ron
03-05-2007, 09:10 AM
My Answer--------




























Marry someone "Rich!!!!!":D




And Godly of course!:woohoo

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:12 AM
LOL, Ron!

Take the easy way out or would that be? :killinme

The Mrs
03-05-2007, 09:16 AM
Renda, my husband is looking at the same future. If he wants to get into management level, he will need two more years of college.

I think you should go for it!

And do it NOW! Don't put it off, so that when that opportunity comes you won't be sitting there saying, 'If I'da taken those classes, I'd be done and ready for this position NOW.'

Retirement benefits look much, much better from the other side of management. :D

QueenEsther
03-05-2007, 09:20 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?


A little different situation but my sister and I work at the same place and they had already pretty much given her a new job which was a pretty big step up - it is a job that regularly requires a bachelor's degree which she is working on but won't be there for a couple more years - and it had all been approved through all the "head hancho's" and when her supervisor went to HR to submit the info she fought it saying that the person to fill this position HAS to have a Bachelor's degree already. So, now they are not sure if they can give it to her or not. The bad thing is, is that she knows the Financial AId (which is the dept it would be in) VERy well, better than anyone they would bring in from the outside and she would be able to be trained in half the amount of time, but oh well, these people and their policies!! :drawguns

ManOfWord
03-05-2007, 09:21 AM
Renda, my husband is looking at the same future. If he wants to get into management level, he will need two more years of college.

I think you should go for it!

And do it NOW! Don't put it off, so that when that opportunity comes you won't be sitting there saying, 'If I'da taken those classes, I'd be done and ready for this position NOW.'

Retirement benefits look much, much better from the other side of management. :D

I agree! You go, Girl!!!! We'll help you with your homework! :D

SoCaliUPC
03-05-2007, 09:21 AM
Renda....what "type" of degree? Associates, Bachelors, Masters?

BrotherEastman
03-05-2007, 09:22 AM
That was my original plan, but circumstances have changed so that I will have to work forever now.
Don't ya hate it when that happens? Well, sis, maybe it would be worth it.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:22 AM
Renda....what "type" of degree? Associates, Bachelors, Masters?

BA

SDG
03-05-2007, 09:22 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Finish school Renda. Don't settle. If God be for us ....

Ferd
03-05-2007, 09:22 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

learningsumpeneverhurtnobody

COOPER
03-05-2007, 09:23 AM
For real.
What is the required degree?
2 or 4 year degree in business management?
If you did go, it would look good on a resume.
But in the mean time maybe you should update that resume and network your self.
Might possibly find a Management position in the same field somewhere else with out the collage requirement with more pay.
:highfive

Felicity
03-05-2007, 09:23 AM
Might as well go for it if you like your job. I mean why not?

Ron
03-05-2007, 09:23 AM
BA

"Moooo!":tease

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:24 AM
Well, you guys are awesome!

Guess I need to go buy some plaid skirts and saddle oxfords!

Felicity
03-05-2007, 09:25 AM
Well, you guys are awesome!

Guess I need to go buy some plaid skirts and saddle oxfords!LOL!

SoCaliUPC
03-05-2007, 09:26 AM
BA

Ug. Well, here is the other thing to look at. Does the company reimburse 100% of schooling? If not, how much would you have to contribute? What is the difference in pay? Are you getting the "extra pay" only to "pay it" in student loans? If the company contributes 100%, you really have nothing to lose. If they don't, then you may just have to ask yourself some questions.

Ron
03-05-2007, 09:26 AM
Do you want to stay at your company long term?

Can you not go to another firm who will consider your skills & experience as equivalent to a degree?

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:28 AM
Ron and Socali,

I have a great paying job and all these years already vested (and stock, 401k) so I would rather stay here.

I believe I'm more valuable staying here than I would be to start over somewhere else.

I could be happy doing what I do for many more years, but in just a couple years I will top out at my salary range, so that's why I need to make a decision.

Yes, they do reimburse 100%.

SoCaliUPC
03-05-2007, 09:28 AM
Do you want to stay at your company long term?

Can you not go to another firm who will consider your skills & experience as equivalent to a degree?


This is something to look at Renda. Do you have an internal HR department? Might want to speak to the Director. Do you get periodic evaluations? If they are glowing, you may want to bring those in. Let me tell you, companies will make exceptions when they want to. It would not hurt to go into HR and plead your case. The only bad thing they could say is NO. But, it may save you 4-6 years.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:29 AM
This is something to look at Renda. Do you have an internal HR department? Might want to speak to the Director. Do you get periodic evaluations? If they are glowing, you may want to bring those in. Let me tell you, companies will make exceptions when they want to. It would not hurt to go into HR and plead your case. The only bad thing they could say is NO. But, it may save you 4-6 years.

I am in HR, hence the reason that I won't be an acception most likely.

SoCaliUPC
03-05-2007, 09:30 AM
Ron and Socali,

I have a great paying job and all these years already vested (and stock, 401k) so I would rather stay here.

I believe I'm more valuable staying here than I would be to start over somewhere else.

I could be happy doing what I do for many more years, but in just a couple years I will top out at my salary range, so that's why I need to make a decision.

Yes, they do reimburse 100%.

Then you have nothing to lose. Go for it!! (But, try HR first!)

HeavenlyOne
03-05-2007, 09:31 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Depends on what you think it's worth. You aren't that old, so if you plan on working another 15 years or so, it might be worth it. If you plan on retiring in 5 years, it's probably not worth it.

SoCaliUPC
03-05-2007, 09:31 AM
I am in HR, hence the reason that I won't be an acception most likely.

Great!!!! :ranting

Well, guess there is no other alternative then to go for it. It's going to take time...but no extra money out of your pocket!!

Ron
03-05-2007, 09:32 AM
I am in HR, hence the reason that I won't be an acception most likely.


All they can say is no.

What can it hurt to ask and plead your case? If they "think" they may lose you just to "economic" curcumstances, they may just try to work something out.

What have you got to lose?

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:35 AM
All they can say is no.

What can it hurt to ask and plead your case? If they "think" they may lose you just to "economic" curcumstances, they may just try to work something out.

What have you got to lose?

Word came down today from my boss's boss (director of HR) that to be considered for manager, that I will need my degree.

I will think upon all these things!

Thanks everyone for all the encouragement and advice!

QueenEsther
03-05-2007, 09:36 AM
I know it is a hard decision. I am only 26 and where I work they will pay for me to get my degree but only for 1 class a semester and then 50% off any additional classes each semester but first of all I am soooooo busy outside of work that I really don't see how in the world I could fit it in, I know how much time it takes, my sister has been taking classes for the last 2 years, and I feel that our work in the ministry is more important right now. And second of all the univerisity I work at doesn't offer the degree I would be interested in so, I am not motivated enough to take classes for a degree I am not interested in. I would rather get a different job in the hospital where they would pay for me to get the degree I really want at a different school.

Anyways, it is a great benefit but it is quite a load to take on and I say if you don't have any kids at home go for it!!!

SDG
03-05-2007, 09:39 AM
I know it is a hard decision. I am only 26 and where I work they will pay for me to get my degree but only for 1 class a semester and then 50% off any additional classes each semester but first of all I am soooooo busy outside of work that I really don't see how in the world I could fit it in, I know how much time it takes, my sister has been taking classes for the last 2 years, and I feel that our work in the ministry is more important right now. And second of all the univerisity I work at doesn't offer the degree I would be interested in so, I am not motivated enough to take classes for a degree I am not interested in. I would rather get a different job in the hospital where they would pay for me to get the degree I really want at a different school.

Anyways, it is a great benefit but it is quite a load to take on and I say if you don't have any kids at home go for it!!!


Get your degree ... Renda ... no one can ever take that away from you ... I don't know about the outfit you work for ... but there are never ever any guarantees that they will remain solvent forever ...

You also never know what God has in store for your future ... You don't know if you will always be in TN ... it's a great insurance policy IMHO ....

Having a Master's in Education has proven it's weight in gold, especially in my situation ... Go ... do it ... make us proud.

LaGirl
03-05-2007, 09:42 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?


get your degree! one can take you position, but one can NEVER take a degree from you!

LaGirl
03-05-2007, 09:43 AM
OH NO.....i JUST went back to read to other post...daniel and i said almost the SAMETHING! that cant be good! lol

SDG
03-05-2007, 09:45 AM
OH NO.....i JUST went back to read to other post...daniel and i said almost the SAMETHING! that cant be good! lol

You're kidding, right ??... :tease :tease :tease

Ron
03-05-2007, 09:55 AM
Word came down today from my boss's boss (director of HR) that to be considered for manager, that I will need my degree.

I will think upon all these things!

Thanks everyone for all the encouragement and advice!

Whatever you choose, I will be praying for ya!:praying

Chan
03-05-2007, 10:00 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?Do you really want to be a manager? I wouldn't wish management on my worst enemy but there are people who are masochistic enough to actually want to be in management.

If getting a degree is the only way for you to move up the career ladder, then you should certainly go get one. If the Bible School was accredited, the credits should be able to be transferred and applied to your degree. Some schools also offer limited college credit for life experience.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 10:05 AM
Do you really want to be a manager? I wouldn't wish management on my worst enemy but there are people who are masochistic enough to actually want to be in management.

If getting a degree is the only way for you to move up the career ladder, then you should certainly go get one. If the Bible School was accredited, the credits should be able to be transferred and applied to your degree. Some schools also offer limited college credit for life experience.

I basically manage already, just not the title and pay that goes with it.

I have seven employees and manage departments (records retention, copy center, word processing and switchboard operators).

SDG
03-05-2007, 10:07 AM
I basically manage already, just not the title and pay that goes with it.

I have seven employees and manage departments (records retention, copy center, word processing and switchboard operators).

Hourly or salary???

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 10:08 AM
Hourly or salary???

Salary

SDG
03-05-2007, 10:09 AM
Set schedule???

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 10:09 AM
Set schedule???
For the most part, but work over if there's a need.

Neck
03-05-2007, 10:10 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

I do not have a degree. However I am in telecommunications sales. I have gone from comfortable to venture out to 2 new companies in the past few years. I raised my income $27,000 per year on my base salary.

Test the waters, move over your 401K money.

Many other companies will pay you more than the one that thinks u will never leave.

Nathan Eckstadt

SDG
03-05-2007, 10:11 AM
For the most part, but work over if there's a need.

Do you do so voluntarily ... or are you somewhat required to stay extra ... I ask because the corporate world is now using the label of manager to justify servitude.

QueenEsther
03-05-2007, 10:13 AM
get your degree! one can take you position, but one can NEVER take a degree from you!

That is soooo true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 10:13 AM
Do you do so voluntarily ... or are you somewhat required to stay extra ... I ask because the corporate world is now using the label of manager to justify servitude.

No, nothing like that here. There is a high level of dedication here, but nothing like that is expected. I would only work over to finish up something for myself or maybe meet with an employee after hours.

Thad
03-05-2007, 10:59 AM
Renda,


2 comments:

1. you can take most of your courses online, during you down time and at your own pace.
2. find a college who will accept your Bible school credits (whatever classes that could apply anyways). A lot of folks out here who graduated from CLC found a school in stockton (pacific university) who glady accepted their credits from CLC.

Blsdbeyondmsure
03-05-2007, 11:03 AM
I've heard a rumor that a recently hired director in your department doesn't have a degree. Which if true certainly doesn't seem like rules are being applied consistently.

Ferd
03-05-2007, 11:28 AM
Ron and Socali,

I have a great paying job and all these years already vested (and stock, 401k) so I would rather stay here.

I believe I'm more valuable staying here than I would be to start over somewhere else.

I could be happy doing what I do for many more years, but in just a couple years I will top out at my salary range, so that's why I need to make a decision.

Yes, they do reimburse 100%.

if this were me, the title of my tHread would be YIIIIIIPPPPPEEEEE!!!!!!

MrsMcD
03-05-2007, 11:31 AM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Go back to school. It will be worth it. I do all online classes. I get really tired of school work on top of everything else but in the end it will be worth it.

LaGirl
03-05-2007, 11:32 AM
You're kidding, right ??... :tease :tease :tease

yeah sure! lol :tease

berkeley
03-05-2007, 11:34 AM
Renda,


2 comments:

1. you can take most of your courses online, during you down time and at your own pace.
2. find a college who will accept your Bible school credits (whatever classes that could apply anyways). A lot of folks out here who graduated from CLC found a school in stockton (pacific university) who glady accepted their credits from CLC.
University of the Pacific...


http://web.pacific.edu/

Buffy
03-05-2007, 12:21 PM
I think anytime you go back to school for a degree is not a waste!! It is an accomplishment! Your dad's wife is an example of that.

berkeley
03-05-2007, 12:27 PM
I think anytime you go back to school for a degree is not a waste!! It is an accomplishment! Your dad's wife is an example of that.I would comment, but don't want to detract from all the attention Renda is getting. I have a problem. I tend to make threads all about me. :beatdeadhorse

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:27 PM
I've heard a rumor that a recently hired director in your department doesn't have a degree. Which if true certainly doesn't seem like rules are being applied consistently.

I NEED to check that out.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:28 PM
I think anytime you go back to school for a degree is not a waste!! It is an accomplishment! Your dad's wife is an example of that.

For real....isn't that cool?

I just had lunch with Dad!

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:29 PM
I would comment, but don't want to detract from all the attention Renda is getting. I have a problem. I tend to make threads all about me. :beatdeadhorse

Go ahead, I don't like the attention. But, I have enjoyed all the discussion and it has helped me to think things out.

berkeley
03-05-2007, 12:30 PM
Go ahead, I don't like the attention. But, I have enjoyed all the discussion and it has helped me to think things out.Naw, I'm good. I was going to make some statements about my age and school. Whatevah! ::hits head on desk::

what are you going to study?

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Naw, I'm good. I was going to make some statements about my age and school. Whatevah! ::hits head on desk::

what are you going to study?
If I decide to go for it, I would get a business degree, so it would be work related.

berkeley
03-05-2007, 12:35 PM
If I decide to go for it, I would get a business degree, so it would be work related.Awesome. If I return I'm going to take business or political science. I would like to earn a teaching credential, too. :highfive

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:36 PM
Awesome. If I return I'm going to take business or political science. I would like to earn a teaching credential, too. :highfive

Well, don't you get the jest of this thread - - you are young...you NEED to finish college.

Theresa
03-05-2007, 12:37 PM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

I say take advantage of tuition reimbursement and get a degree in something you enjoy - or something easy :) Unless of course they require a degree in something specific...

As long as they pay for it, I'd go back to school. Go to community college to get your basics, and perhaps even associates....if they require bachelors, study online.

Or I can print you up a degree :)

how hard can it be? LOL

berkeley
03-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Well, don't you get the jest of this thread - - you are young...you NEED to finish college.

I didn't have a real start. Issues within the home messed me up. I'd be starting from scratch.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 12:38 PM
I say take advantage of tuition reimbursement and get a degree in something you enjoy - or something easy :) Unless of course they require a degree in something specific...

As long as they pay for it, I'd go back to school. Go to community college to get your basics, and perhaps even associates....if they require bachelors, study online.

Or I can print you up a degree :)

how hard can it be? LOLLol....they have fired folks for answering the degree question wrong.

Theresa
03-05-2007, 12:41 PM
Lol....they have fired folks for answering the degree question wrong.

I didnt say lie.

I could print you up a degree.

didnt say it would be a "degree" but it I can call it whatever I want, and I can issue it to you!


LOL

Newman
03-05-2007, 12:47 PM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

Go to school. One foot in front of the other. You won't believe how quickly it will be over and you will be walking down that aisle with your cap and gown (and cords or a medallion no doubt). Just do it!

Malvaro
03-05-2007, 12:49 PM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

if it was me, I'd definately hunt down the degree....

berkeley
03-05-2007, 12:50 PM
if it was me, I'd definately hunt down the degree....Yeah, I think she should!!! :highfive

RevDWW
03-05-2007, 12:51 PM
GrandMa Moses' became a famous painter and she her painting career didn't start until she was in her seventies. She if she could start something new at that advanced age so can you.......:killinme :killinme


Seriously, Go for it!

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 01:01 PM
You guys have been very encouraging to me!

I'm almost talked into it......at least I can get started and it will look good on my IDP.

Buffy
03-05-2007, 01:22 PM
For real....isn't that cool?

I just had lunch with Dad!

Your dad would be the one I'd ask. He's one of the wisest men I know!

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 01:29 PM
Your dad would be the one I'd ask. He's one of the wisest men I know!

Ahh, that's so sweet. I've always thought so since he's my dad, but I have watched others lean on him for his wisdom through the years. Bro. Glass, Sr. use to say that every church should have a Bro. Leon.

And you know that almost proves my point - - I think he finished 7th grade!

A piece of paper is just that - a piece of paper, but I do realize to make it anywhere you need it.

Buffy
03-05-2007, 01:32 PM
Ahh, that's so sweet. I've always thought so since he's my dad, but I have watched others lean on him for his wisdom through the years. Bro. Glass, Sr. use to say that every church should have a Bro. Leon.

And you know that almost proves my point - - I think he finished 7th grade!

A piece of paper is just that - a piece of paper, but I do realize to make it anywhere you need it.


At least in this day and age it does!!

BoredOutOfMyMind
03-05-2007, 01:35 PM
Ahh, that's so sweet. I've always thought so since he's my dad, but I have watched others lean on him for his wisdom through the years. Bro. Glass, Sr. use to say that every church should have a Bro. Leon.

And you know that almost proves my point - - I think he finished 7th grade!

A piece of paper is just that - a piece of paper, but I do realize to make it anywhere you need it.

Will a Mail order degree work?

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 01:38 PM
Will a Mail order degree work?

I really doubt it. Where's Tim when we need him?

TRIPLE E
03-05-2007, 01:39 PM
I've been at my place of employment for 14 years. My title is Admin Services Supervisor and I have seven employees reporting to me.

With all the experience and responsibility that I have I just found out that I cannot be promoted to manager level until I have a degree.

One year of college and two and a half years of bible school and I'm stuck at being a supervisor until I obtain a degree.

Do I play the game and go back to school or just be happy where I am?

This sounds like a question for Rhoni to handle!

Esther
03-05-2007, 01:59 PM
My husband is in the same boat. He is as far up as he can go. He only needs two more years, but he doesn't see the need. Plus his job is a hinderance to going to school.

I don't know if you can get a legit degree on line or not. I know there are those that advertise degrees but don't know if they hold water so to speak.

HangingOut
03-05-2007, 01:59 PM
I found out about this over the weekend. An on-line degree program.
Just FYI

http://www.wgu.edu/index.asp

Chan
03-05-2007, 02:04 PM
My husband is in the same boat. He is as far up as he can go. He only needs two more years, but he doesn't see the need. Plus his job is a hinderance to going to school.

I don't know if you can get a legit degree on line or not. I know there are those that advertise degrees but don't know if they hold water so to speak.Some accredited (read "legitimate") schools (e.g. some of the New York State schools, Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, and various others) do offer online degree programs.

Blsdbeyondmsure
03-05-2007, 02:24 PM
My 2 cents worth...

I'd go back to school & start working towards a degree. Think of how quickly time passes, why not have something to show for the next 4-6 years. I think you'll have a great sense of accomplishment even if you don't end up using it.

Also, I'd steer away from a strictly on-line program. The resumes that come across my desk with on-line degrees get tossed in the garbage. I just don't think they have the academic rigor that a classroom setting provides. Supplementing some classwork with an on-line class is okay, but not a 100% on-line program.

Chan
03-05-2007, 02:34 PM
Also, I'd steer away from a strictly on-line program. The resumes that come across my desk with on-line degrees get tossed in the garbage. I just don't think they have the academic rigor that a classroom setting provides. Supplementing some classwork with an on-line class is okay, but not a 100% on-line program.
So, how would you know that a degree was an online degree? Let's say someone gets a degree from Virginia State University. The school is one of several within the Virginia system and is accredited accordingly. How would you know whether a person obtained her degree from that school by physically attending classes, through a combination of credits transferred in from other schools, taking classes online, and receiving credit through such things as CLEP examinations, or through strictly online classes?

I don't think it's your place to decide whether online classes from an accredited school has sufficient academic rigor, it's the place of the accredited school that offers the class and gives credit for it to decide whether they're sufficiently rigorous. Of course, I'm referring only to accredited schools (such as the various state-run schools) since those schools have met the standards of various regional accrediting bodies. Do you have the qualifications that the members of an accrediting body have to be able to evaluate whether or not a particular class or course of study is sufficiently rigorous?

QueenEsther
03-05-2007, 02:37 PM
My pastor's wife has been getting her business degree ALL online through Liberty Univeristy - she is almost done. THe only class they require her to take at an institution is Speech. You may also want to look into them.

Blsdbeyondmsure
03-05-2007, 03:03 PM
So, how would you know that a degree was an online degree? Let's say someone gets a degree from Virginia State University. The school is one of several within the Virginia system and is accredited accordingly. How would you know whether a person obtained her degree from that school by physically attending classes, through a combination of credits transferred in from other schools, taking classes online, and receiving credit through such things as CLEP examinations, or through strictly online classes?

I don't think it's your place to decide whether online classes from an accredited school has sufficient academic rigor, it's the place of the accredited school that offers the class and gives credit for it to decide whether they're sufficiently rigorous. Of course, I'm referring only to accredited schools (such as the various state-run schools) since those schools have met the standards of various regional accrediting bodies. Do you have the qualifications that the members of an accrediting body have to be able to evaluate whether or not a particular class or course of study is sufficiently rigorous?


I should have explained myself a little better, if the degree is from a reputable university then I don't have a problem with it. Although it would be a point of discussion in the interview. I personally find value in the discipline that comes with a structured university setting. However, I'm speaking of degrees from "on-line" universities such as University of Phoenix, ect. I don't think those are worth the paper they are printed on...

Chan
03-05-2007, 03:11 PM
I should have explained myself a little better, if the degree is from a reputable university then I don't have a problem with it. Although it would be a point of discussion in the interview. I personally find value in the discipline that comes with a structured university setting. However, I'm speaking of degrees from "on-line" universities such as University of Phoenix, ect. I don't think those are worth the paper they are printed on...Which is why I specified "accredited" schools.

ZeroedIn
03-05-2007, 03:57 PM
That was my original plan, but circumstances have changed so that I will have to work forever now.

Literally forever? That's a long time!

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 04:00 PM
Literally forever? That's a long time!

Not literally - just hope I will be able to not work for a while before I die - :sad

Ron
03-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Ask God for the winning numbers on the Powerball!:D

StillStanding
03-05-2007, 04:57 PM
Ask God for the winning numbers on the Powerball!:D
Too late, I asked first! :D

stmatthew
03-05-2007, 06:34 PM
I should have explained myself a little better, if the degree is from a reputable university then I don't have a problem with it. Although it would be a point of discussion in the interview. I personally find value in the discipline that comes with a structured university setting. However, I'm speaking of degrees from "on-line" universities such as University of Phoenix, ect. I don't think those are worth the paper they are printed on...

Actually, someone that has the discipline to get a degree "on their own" should be looked at as a higher achiever than someone that takes classes the conventional way. They were able to complete the work with no supervision at all, which makes for a productive employee you probably don't have to babysit.

commonsense
03-05-2007, 07:02 PM
Go for the degree. I'm too old to complete a degree and see the fruits in a better job. What can I say? My resume lists my Bachelor of theology from ABI, but it doesn't carry much weight in regard to a job. It does show education beyond HS, right?

It's almost 10 more years before retirement with full benefits.

StillStanding
03-05-2007, 07:49 PM
Renda, I haven't read this whole thread, but it amazes me that any company would prefer someone (because they have a particular college degree) over someone with superior skills but without that degree. I would go as far as to say that the company heads are foolish!

I can understand making a decision like that if they are hiring someone from the outside of the company with a productive history. I can understand if you have two people going after the same position with similar skills, going for the one with the superior education.

But...when an employee has shown superior management and people skills, to limit that employee because of some college degree is foolish!

Luckily, Mrs. Pianoman works for a fortune 500 company that promotes by skill level. She has phenominal sales and management skills, but has no college degree. In fact, she is the only person in her company at her level that doesn't have a college degree. The top brass are still saying that she's one of the best at her position in the entire company.

A degree gets your foot in the door, but hard, efficent, skillful work should be what gets you promoted once you're in the company.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 08:12 PM
PM,

That's exactly how I see it too. It seems this aligns with corporate and makes everything fit in a neat little box for HR and all their legal rules.

I know they have made exceptions before, so I'm not giving up just yet. In the meantime I'll consider going back to college.

Blsdbeyondmsure
03-05-2007, 09:20 PM
Actually, someone that has the discipline to get a degree "on their own" should be looked at as a higher achiever than someone that takes classes the conventional way. They were able to complete the work with no supervision at all, which makes for a productive employee you probably don't have to babysit.

That's one way to look at it. My viewpoint is that the discipline to meet rigid deadlines, attend class when you don't want to, work on team projects and group presentations, etc. trumps working at your own pace in a self-guided program.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:24 PM
That's one way to look at it. My viewpoint is that the discipline to meet rigid deadlines, attend class when you don't want to, work on team projects and group presentations, etc. trumps working at your own pace in a self-guided program.

Ah fun....all this and work too!

Blsdbeyondmsure
03-05-2007, 09:29 PM
Ah fun....all this and work too!

This should 100% be your decision. I wouldn't let work pressure me in to it, weigh the pro's & con's & decide what you want for you.

rgcraig
03-05-2007, 09:31 PM
This should 100% be your decision. I wouldn't let work pressure me in to it, weigh the pro's & con's & decide what you want for you.

Cathy did say that today - she just hates to see me top out in my pay range and is trying to help me.

Doesn't help at all that Lisa and Cathy both are almost finished with their masters.

Chan
03-06-2007, 06:57 AM
That's one way to look at it. My viewpoint is that the discipline to meet rigid deadlines, attend class when you don't want to, work on team projects and group presentations, etc. trumps working at your own pace in a self-guided program.
But many on-line degree programs (from accredited schools) do have rigid deadlines.

You might want to actually look at what some of these degree programs require before you dismiss them. For example, here is one such program's Math 115 course schedule (a 16-week course):

A Note About Work Pace</SPAN>
MATH 115 is a 16-week course, and it has been designed to allow you maximum flexibility with time. You may work at your own pace, but please note the specific due dates for each test that are identified under the appropriate modules below. You are expected to have them submitted on time.
http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 1 (Weeks 1 & 2) - Problem-Solving

Lessons 1-3
Practice Quiz 1: Problem Solvinghttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 2 (Weeks 3 & 4) - Sets

Lessons 4-8
Practice Quiz 2: Setshttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 3 (Weeks 5 & 6) - Logic

Lessons 9-16
Practice Quiz 3: Logic
Test 1: Lesson 1-16 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 6)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 4 (Weeks 7 & 8) - Real Number System/Consumer Math

Lessons 17-20
Practice Quiz 4: Real Number System/Consumer Math
Lesson 21http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 5 (Weeks 9 & 10) - Basic Concepts of Algebra

Lesson 22-28
Practice Quiz 5: Algebra
Test 2: Lessons 17-28 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 10)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 6 (Weeks 11 & 12) - Geometry, Chaos and Fractals

Lessons 29-33
Practice Quiz 6: Geometryhttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 7 (Weeks 13 & 14) - Probability and Statistics

Lessons 34-40
Practice Quiz 7: Probability and Statistics
Test 3: Lessons 29-40 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 14)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 8 (Weeks 15 & 16) - Final Exam

Complete any unfinished course work.
Use this time to study in preparation for the comprehensive final exam.
Final Exam: Lessons 1-40 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 16)
The lessons are actual classroom lectures recorded on DVD. The "homework" assigned is the same homework given to the students sitting in the classroom.

MrsMcD
03-06-2007, 07:12 AM
Actually, someone that has the discipline to get a degree "on their own" should be looked at as a higher achiever than someone that takes classes the conventional way. They were able to complete the work with no supervision at all, which makes for a productive employee you probably don't have to babysit.

I agree. I take online classes from my local college.

If I were to be looking for a job, the employer wouldn't know that I took courses online unless I told them. I will have a degree from a local college without having to go to the college for classes. It's a much better option for me.

LadyChocolate
03-06-2007, 07:21 AM
I agree. I take online classes from my local college.

If I were to be looking for a job, the employer wouldn't know that I took courses online unless I told them. I will have a degree from a local college without having to go to the college for classes. It's a much better option for me.

just jumping in on this last part of the thread..........
how is it working out for you??? I have heard that some employers look down on online schooling.....Me personally, I would be far more productive schooling from home....Don't have time to go to a campus.

Esther
03-06-2007, 07:26 AM
Actually, someone that has the discipline to get a degree "on their own" should be looked at as a higher achiever than someone that takes classes the conventional way. They were able to complete the work with no supervision at all, which makes for a productive employee you probably don't have to babysit.


I agree with you here Matt. That is one reason home schoolers do so well, they learn to READ and UNDERSTAND without someone telling them what they just read.

Renda, I haven't read this whole thread, but it amazes me that any company would prefer someone (because they have a particular college degree) over someone with superior skills but without that degree. I would go as far as to say that the company heads are foolish!

I can understand making a decision like that if they are hiring someone from the outside of the company with a productive history. I can understand if you have two people going after the same position with similar skills, going for the one with the superior education.

But...when an employee has shown superior management and people skills, to limit that employee because of some college degree is foolish!

Luckily, Mrs. Pianoman works for a fortune 500 company that promotes by skill level. She has phenominal sales and management skills, but has no college degree. In fact, she is the only person in her company at her level that doesn't have a college degree. The top brass are still saying that she's one of the best at her position in the entire company.

A degree gets your foot in the door, but hard, efficent, skillful work should be what gets you promoted once you're in the company.

This makes too much sense, so most corporate companies won't consider it. :(

Common sense is out the window these days with the really large corporations.

rgcraig
03-06-2007, 07:28 AM
This makes too much sense, so most corporate companies won't consider it. :(

Common sense is out the window these days with the really large corporations.

So true, there are so many rules and regulations to hiring that it has really affected the quality of people that you can hire these days.

MrsMcD
03-06-2007, 07:31 AM
just jumping in on this last part of the thread..........
how is it working out for you??? I have heard that some employers look down on online schooling.....Me personally, I would be far more productive schooling from home....Don't have time to go to a campus.

It isn't easy but I make it work. I work full time and take two courses a semester. It isn't an online school but the college here has online courses and online degrees which makes it much easier for people like me that have to work. I could go at night but that would take more time away from my family. My boss wants me to get a degree and he backs me 100%. In fact, I get to do a lot of my school work at work.

seguidordejesus
03-06-2007, 07:32 AM
But many on-line degree programs (from accredited schools) do have rigid deadlines.

You might want to actually look at what some of these degree programs require before you dismiss them. For example, here is one such program's Math 115 course schedule (a 16-week course):

A Note About Work Pace</SPAN>
MATH 115 is a 16-week course, and it has been designed to allow you maximum flexibility with time. You may work at your own pace, but please note the specific due dates for each test that are identified under the appropriate modules below. You are expected to have them submitted on time.
http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 1 (Weeks 1 & 2) - Problem-Solving

Lessons 1-3
Practice Quiz 1: Problem Solvinghttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 2 (Weeks 3 & 4) - Sets

Lessons 4-8
Practice Quiz 2: Setshttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 3 (Weeks 5 & 6) - Logic

Lessons 9-16
Practice Quiz 3: Logic
Test 1: Lesson 1-16 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 6)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 4 (Weeks 7 & 8) - Real Number System/Consumer Math

Lessons 17-20
Practice Quiz 4: Real Number System/Consumer Math
Lesson 21http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 5 (Weeks 9 & 10) - Basic Concepts of Algebra

Lesson 22-28
Practice Quiz 5: Algebra
Test 2: Lessons 17-28 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 10)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 6 (Weeks 11 & 12) - Geometry, Chaos and Fractals

Lessons 29-33
Practice Quiz 6: Geometryhttp://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 7 (Weeks 13 & 14) - Probability and Statistics

Lessons 34-40
Practice Quiz 7: Probability and Statistics
Test 3: Lessons 29-40 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 14)http://bb7.liberty.edu/images/ci/sets/set01/folder_on.gif Module 8 (Weeks 15 & 16) - Final Exam

Complete any unfinished course work.
Use this time to study in preparation for the comprehensive final exam.
Final Exam: Lessons 1-40 (due by midnight on Saturday of Week 16)
The lessons are actual classroom lectures recorded on DVD. The "homework" assigned is the same homework given to the students sitting in the classroom.

It sounds to me like Blsdbeyondmeasure has very little actual experience with online degrees. I have quite a bit of experience with this, and have found them to be just as, if not more, rigorous than regular classroom settings, where you can just vegetate. The same deadlines and schedules usually apply with online degrees, unless it's some kind of degree mill or self-paced bible program.

MrsMcD
03-06-2007, 07:33 AM
I agree with you here Matt. That is one reason home schoolers do so well, they learn to READ and UNDERSTAND without someone telling them what they just read.



This makes too much sense, so most corporate companies won't consider it. :(

Common sense is out the window these days with the really large corporations.

So true!

My husband has 18 years sales experience but yet he couldn't get a job that he wanted because he didn't have a 4-year degree. That's just ridiculous to me. So unfair!

MrsMcD
03-06-2007, 07:36 AM
It sounds to me like Blsdbeyondmeasure has very little actual experience with online degrees. I have quite a bit of experience with this, and have found them to be just as, if not more, rigorous than regular classroom settings, where you can just vegetate. The same deadlines and schedules usually apply with online degrees, unless it's some kind of degree mill or self-paced bible program.

I found them to be more work than the classroom classes.

LadyChocolate
03-06-2007, 07:40 AM
I agree with you here Matt. That is one reason home schoolers do so well, they learn to READ and UNDERSTAND without someone telling them what they just read.

.
I agree for sure!!! I have a 3rd and 4th grader and they are have 9th grade american literature for one of the subjects and they do great! (i am boasting here) And I also have a 4 year old who is already reading! you know those BOB books that are for beginners? He does excellent. homeschooling is fun!!!


So true!

My husband has 18 years sales experience but yet he couldn't get a job that he wanted because he didn't have a 4-year degree. That's just ridiculous to me. So unfair!
:ranting I understand that! My husband is self taught mostly and the come to find out, he was over qualified for many jobs! lolol

Chan
03-06-2007, 08:01 AM
So true!

My husband has 18 years sales experience but yet he couldn't get a job that he wanted because he didn't have a 4-year degree. That's just ridiculous to me. So unfair!
Blame it on academia trying to justify its existence.

QueenEsther
03-06-2007, 08:07 AM
I agree for sure!!! I have a 3rd and 4th grader and they are have 9th grade american literature for one of the subjects and they do great! (i am boasting here) And I also have a 4 year old who is already reading! you know those BOB books that are for beginners? He does excellent. homeschooling is fun!!!



:ranting I understand that! My husband is self taught mostly and the come to find out, he was over qualified for many jobs! lolol


My dad owned his own business for 12 years and it was a very successful business - he had to close it in 2004 due to medical problems and now he cannot get a decent job due to no degree - you would think just with his experience he could get something but it is hard!!

rgcraig
03-06-2007, 08:09 AM
My dad owned his own business for 12 years and it was a very successful business - he had to close it in 2004 due to medical problems and now he cannot get a decent job due to no degree - you would think just with his experience he could get something but it is hard!!

Some companies will accept experience in place of education, but it is getting increasingly harder to find those companies.

I think Chan is on to something.

MrsMcD
03-06-2007, 08:10 AM
Blame it on academia trying to justify its existence.

Exactly

StillStanding
03-06-2007, 08:15 AM
I read it somewhere that 80% of college graduates don't end up working in the field of their major. The basic concept is learning how to learn. Having a degree shows a company that you have the "stick-with-it" to achieve long term goals.

The problem is that some of the laziest and clueless people I've worked with over the years had college degrees. That's why I say a degree on your resume is to get your foot in the door. After that, you go on your skills and hard work.

I agree with Chan, that top brass is just trying to support acadamia.

Esther
03-06-2007, 09:05 AM
I read it somewhere that 80% of college graduates don't end up working in the field of their major. The basic concept is learning how to learn. Having a degree shows a company that you have the "stick-with-it" to achieve long term goals.

The problem is that some of the laziest and clueless people I've worked with over the years had college degrees. That's why I say a degree on your resume is to get your foot in the door. After that, you go on your skills and hard work.

I agree with Chan, that top brass is just trying to support acadamia.

So true!

seguidordejesus
03-06-2007, 09:49 AM
I understand about middle-aged or beyond people contemplating whether to get a degree, but for any young person (30 or younger), the decision should be simple: GET IT!