The World's Most Butchered Scriptures?

[Nahum]

Let's compile a list of the most frequently butchered scriptures.

I'll start...

"And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me."—John 12:32.

Why do Pentecostals think this means WE are to lift Him up by praising Him; shouting, dancing, screaming, running and the like?

It really meant that if He was CRUCIFIED He would draw all men.



Okay, your turn.

[HeavenlyOne]

Let's compile a list of the most frequently butchered scriptures.

I'll start...

"And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me."—John 12:32.

Why do Pentecostals think this means WE are to lift Him up by praising Him; shouting, dancing, screaming, running and the like?

It really meant that if He was CRUCIFIED He would draw all men.



Okay, your turn.


In James: "An open-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

I heard that quoted recently, but still can't find it.......



:D

[HeavenlyOne]

Ok, I'll bite.

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

This means women can't wear pants, even women's pants.


:D

What did you expect me to say?????

[Nahum]

In James: "An open-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

I heard that quoted recently, but still can't find it.......



:D

:scoregood

Well, I think it should be there, if it isn't!

[Nahum]

How about the cloud the "size" of a man's hand?

It's not in there.

[HeavenlyOne]

And then there's the unknown verse that says holiness is what you are wearing on the outside.............

[HeavenlyOne]

Oh, and Jonah wasn't swallowed up by a whale.

[HeavenlyOne]

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"?

Nope, it's not there either.

[Timmy]

How about the cloud the "size" of a man's hand?

It's not in there.

1 Kings 18:44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

Hey, you're right! "As small as" is so not the same as "the size of"! :blink

[Nahum]

Oh, and Jonah wasn't swallowed up by a whale.

Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a whale."

Matthew 12:40

[HeavenlyOne]

Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a whale."

Matthew 12:40

He obviously heard that from a UPC preacher! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

I like this game. I'll be back in a few hours to continue. I must meet LadyRev for lunch.

[Nahum]

1 Kings 18:44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

Hey, you're right! "As small as" is so not the same as "the size of"! :blink

This is what the KJV says

"And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down that the rain stop thee not."

[aquestioninggirl]

Ok I want to play

This is off the top of my head.......favorite for the end time..

And there will be wars and rumors of war...... (and some how everyone stops there) but the rest of the verse says... but the time is not yet.
Matthew 24:6

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Judas hanged himself.. go ye therefore and do likewise....

[Nahum]

Ok I want to play

This is off the top of my head.......favorite for the end time..

And there will be wars and rumors of war...... (and some how everyone stops there) but the rest of the verse says... but the time is not yet.
Matthew 24:6

Good one, never noticed that!:scoregood

[Nahum]

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

[deltaguitar]

John 3:5

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Somewhere along the way people got the idea that being born of the water had to do with Baptism. I thought Baptism was being buried with Christ.
:scorebad

[Digging4Truth]

They shall know them for their "love one for another"

Not in there.

one TO another.

BIG difference.

I can have love FOR you... but it is when I show love TO you that my love FOR you takes action.

[Carpenter]

The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force...

The church takes this to mean that for some reason people need to get angry in their witness as they take the message to the street, which equates to a relentlessness that make the Jehova Witnesses look like kids collecting newspaper money but not any more effective.

What is better, for someone to say, "Wow, that person is really passionate and wouldn't give up...now turn it up and pass the chips." OR "Thank you for listening to me, I would love to go to church with you."

[Stephanas]

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

(1 Corinthians 14:21-22) "21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

[Timmy]

Acts 2:38

(Decide for yourselves who butchers it! :sly)

[rgcraig]

Great thread!

[Nahum]

The kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force...

The church takes this to mean that for some reason people need to get angry in their witness as they take the message to the street, which equates to a relentlessness that make the Jehova Witnesses look like kids collecting newspaper money but not any more effective.

What is better, for someone to say, "Wow, that person is really passionate and wouldn't give up...now turn it up and pass the chips." OR "Thank you for listening to me, I would love to go to church with you."


Excellent!

The last thing we need is angry Pentecostals claiming dominion over sinners like rabid Crusaders.

[Nahum]

(1 Corinthians 14:21-22) "21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

But the stammering lips were from foreigners, right?

What benefit would stuttering be?

[mizpeh]

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

Why did Paul quote it in 1 Cor 14? Just to say tongues are a sign to unbelievers like the conquering armies of the Chaldeans who spoke another language were a sign to disobedient Isreal? What is the rest and the refreshing then?

[Scott Hutchinson]

How about this one ? In the last days you can't tell the seasons one from another. I don't remember reading that in the book.

[dizzyde]

Well, I once sat through an entire message about Sistrens of water. (meaning: cisterns)

The butchering of the English language is what gets to me, not that I am perfect, by a long shot, but COME ON!!!!

[mizpeh]

Romans 8:26.....with groaning which cannot be uttered.

This doesn't prove speaking in tongues is intercessory prayer. This isn't even about tongues since it cannot be uttered.

[Nahum]

Well, I once sat through an entire message about Sistrens of water. (meaning: cisterns)

The butchering of the english language is what gets to me, not that I am perfect, by a long shot, but COME ON!!!!

The word English should be capitalized!:pirate

[dizzyde]

The word English should be capitalized!:pirate

I saw that as soon as I sent it, knew I would get crucified! LOL!!!

[Nahum]

Why did Paul quote it in 1 Cor 14? Just to say tongues are a sign to unbelievers like the conquering armies of the Chaldeans who spoke another language were a sign to disobedient Isreal? What is the rest and the refreshing then?

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

What does this mean? How is speaking in tongues "speaking to this people?"

“For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,"

[mizpeh]

What does this mean? How is speaking in tongues "speaking to this people?"

“For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people,"

In Isaiah 28, in context, other tongues is a foreign language of a conquering army that was to be a sign to the nation of Israel. http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=isa&chapter=28&verse=11

This is something a non charismatic Trinitarian hit me with when I was trying to explain this use of this passage in 1Cor14. I thought you were going along these lines to explain why "rest and refreshing" and "stammering lips and other tongues" was not the referring to the NT speaking in tongues.

[Kae]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

[aquestioninggirl]

How about this one ? In the last days you can't tell the seasons one from another. I don't remember reading that in the book.

Thank you!!! That is my dad's favorite!!!

[aquestioninggirl]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

And there was no snake!

[Nahum]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

Oh, I can't stand that one!!!!!!!

[Ferd]

Galatians 3

[Nahum]

And there was no snake!


Huh?

[aquestioninggirl]

Huh?

It never says that a snake made Eve eat the apple.

[aquestioninggirl]

Also two of each kind of animal on the Ark is wrong!!!!

[Joseph]

1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.....................



We seem to always forget the next verse.

1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

[Joseph]

1 of Gods days equals a 1000 of our years.....................


2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[mfblume]

"God cannot dwell in an unclean temple" is NOT in the Bible.

With the mess the Corinthians were in, with division, envy and strife, they still had God's Spirit in them.

[mfblume]

"I die daily" is NOT referring to denying self and dying to sin. It is speaking about the daily physical perils of Paul's ministry, in a chapter dealing with actual dying in body. Paul said that he would be crazy to preach the way he was if there is no resurrection, since he put his physical life on the line everytime he got up each day to work for God. THAT is what Paul was talking about.

1Co 15:30-32 KJV And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? (31) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. (32) If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.


Note verse 30 and 32 surround verse 31.

[aquestioninggirl]

"God cannot dwell in an unclean temple" is NOT in the Bible.

With the mess the Corinthians were in, with division, envy and strife, they still had God's Spirit in them.

Wow!! That is not in the Bible? It is amazing what "verses" we hear about that are not in the Bible. I wonder were they originate?

[mfblume]

1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.....................



We seem to always forget the next verse.

1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

THAT IS A CLASSIC ONE! Bravo! It's not talking about heaven. It's talking about the hidden wisdom that was a mystery for ages until the Spirit baptism allowed people like Paul to KNOW the mind of Christ.

[Nahum]

1 Cor 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.....................



We seem to always forget the next verse.

1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Great point Joseph!

I'm enjoying this thread.:saycheese

[BrotherEastman]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.
How do you know they didn't eat an apple?

[mfblume]

How do you know they didn't eat an apple?

They ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. :) Not the fruit of an apple tree. ;)

[Nahum]

"I die daily" is NOT referring to denying self and dying to sin. It is speaking about the daily physical perils of Paul's ministry, in a chapter dealing with actual dying in body. Paul said that he would be crazy to preach the way he was if there is no resurrection, since he put his physical life on the line everytime he got up each day to work for God. THAT is what Paul was talking about.

1Co 15:30-32 KJV And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? (31) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. (32) If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.


Note verse 30 and 32 surround verse 31.

Hmmm, I need to go read that chapter.

Interesting.

[mfblume]

If Adam and Eve ate an apple when they ate the forbidden fruit, and it caused them to cover their nakedness, we need to give apples out in church everytime we have service. lol

[Joseph]

That the "Day of the Lord" will come prior to the "Man of Sin" being revealed.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [B]for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[Thad]

Joseph,

Please check you PMs thanks

[mfblume]

Hmmm, I need to go read that chapter.

Interesting.

Paul was actually using the SAME LANGUAGE he used in 2 Cor 4 when describing the perils of being cast down and so on...

2Co 4:7-12 KJV But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. (8) We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; (9) Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; (10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. (11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. (12) So then death worketh in us, but life in you.


I have an entire study on the issue here: HERE (http://mikeblume.com/diedaily.htm)

[bishoph]

How about the cloud the "size" of a man's hand?

It's not in there.

Depends on the translation: NLT Finally the seventh time, his servant told him, “I saw a little cloud about the size of a man’s hand rising from the sea.”

[BrotherEastman]

They ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. :) Not the fruit of an apple tree. ;)
kea said that Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple, so I was trying to see whether or not kea knew for certain that they didn't eat an apple at any point in thier lives, smartie pants! You see, his/her statement was actually ambiguios if you think about it.

[Nahum]

Depends on the translation: NLT Finally the seventh time, his servant told him, “I saw a little cloud about the size of a man’s hand rising from the sea.”

The KJV is the only true bible.:guns

[Esther]

Oh, and Jonah wasn't swallowed up by a whale.

Yes he was. Try reading the NEW TESTATMENT. :)

[Esther]

There is no scripture that says there will be stars in your crown.

there is a song that says that. :)

[SisBeezer]

#1. God inhabits the praises of his people

#2. cleaniness is next to godliness

#3. God in three persons

#4. and a classic: God helps those who help themselves

it never ceases to amaze me how many people mis-quote, then when you ask them for the chapter and verse, they say something like, "well i know its in there somewhere" or "well bro or sis so-and-so said it, so i know it must be true"

:digging is what most are doing and they dont even know it.

[mfblume]

kea said that Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple, so I was trying to see whether or not kea knew for certain that they didn't eat an apple at any point in thier lives, smartie pants! You see, his/her statement was actually ambiguios if you think about it.

Ah, pulling a fast one, bro.

[Neck]

That any of the great miracles or healings in the new Testemant happened because any of them first sent in a seed offering or placed money on the Alter!

Jesus simply stated thy faith hath made thee whole, go and sin no more...

The seed for a miracle is one of the most ... "seedy" using this as a pun... teachings I have ever heard.....

Christ would rather rub dirt and spit in your eye then have you sow a money seed.

[Joseph]

#1. God inhabits the praises of his people



This one probably comes from this verse....

Psa 22:3 But thou [art] holy, [O thou] that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

[BrotherEastman]

Ah, pulling a fast one, bro.:saycheese:shifty;):D

[Esther]

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"?

Nope, it's not there either.

I was sure that was in there, but nope didn't find it.

Although the meaning is there. :)

[Esther]

Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

For H1. :)

[SisBeezer]

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"?

Nope, it's not there either.

this one probably came from this one:

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

[mfblume]

That any of the great miracles or healings in the new Testemant happened because any of them first sent in a seed offering or placed money on the Alter!

Jesus simply stated thy faith hath made thee whole, go and sin no more...

The seed for a miracle is one of the most ... "seedy" using this as a pun... teachings I have ever heard.....

Christ would rather rub dirt and spit in your eye then have you sow a money seed.

Ah, but it is a solid principle: Gal 6:7 KJV ... whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Sow an apple seed, and reap apples.

[Neck]

Ah, but it is a solid principle: Gal 6:7 KJV ... whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Sow an apple seed, and reap apples.

So if I sow money I should reap money not a healing....

So you want a healing.

Visit the hospitals and minister to the lost and sick

I have been through a 15 year battle with my son's health.

He had a non related donar bone marrow transplant in 2004 and is now 17.

We found ministering to those in the same siuation would build our faith.

It also gave us a close relationship with the Lord when asking him for our son's continued healing...

[philjones]

Most folks quote James 1:17 to say Every good and perfect gift is from above which would imply that both good and perfect identify one gift.
The reality is that the scripture declares that every good gift AND every perfect gift is from above

I see this as two separate categories rather than one. Often we overlook the good gifts while looking for the perfect!

[mfblume]

Mat 5:45 KJV That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Many people use this statement to say BAD THINGS happen to everyone. But it is saying the opposite! It is saying GOD SENDS BLESSINGS to good and bad people. He loves them all.

It comes after this verse, telling us to treat enemies with goodness

Mat 5:44 KJV But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[Revelationist]

I'll bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel...

It doesn't say that....

[mfblume]

So if I sow money I should reap money not a healing....

Right.

[mfblume]

I'll bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel...

It doesn't say that....

It is speaking about Abraham and his seed, JESUS!

[timlan2057]

The biggest single butchery of a scripture in degree, if not frequency was when the preacher who preached against women wearing their hair up took that scripture "Let he who is on the housetop not come down" for his text.

He preached on the subject: "Top Knot Come Down."

[Nahum]

The biggest single butchery of a scripture in degree, if not frequency was when the preacher who preached against women wearing their hair up took that scripture "Let he who is on the housetop not come down" for his text.

He preached on the subject: "Top Knot Come Down."

No way! :pirate

[mfblume]

The biggest single butchery of a scripture in degree, if not frequency was when the preacher who preached against women wearing their hair up took that scripture "Let he who is on the housetop not come down" for his text.

He preached on the subject: "Top Knot Come Down."

WOW. I've heard it all now! MAN OH MAN! LOLOLOL

[philjones]

The biggest single butchery of a scripture in degree, if not frequency was when the preacher who preached against women wearing their hair up took that scripture "Let he who is on the housetop not come down" for his text.

He preached on the subject: "Top Knot Come Down."

That sounds a little like Bro. Epley preaching about God loving short men in the Bible and referencing Nehemiah and Bildad the Shuhite.:pirate:pirate

[chseeads]

So many people say that "they were in one mind and one accord" on the Day of Pentecost... It says they were all with one accord in one place....

Act 2:1 ¶ And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.



And around here at least, sooooo many times people talk about how "God will work with who will let" or "but who will let"....

Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day [was] I [am] he; and [there is] none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

While the concept may indeed be a true idea, that verse, which is the only thing that remotely sounds like the statement that I can find, means the complete opposite of God working with someone that will allow Him to, it means He will work in spite of any opposition, who will hinder it if He decides to do it?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

Ripley claimed it was a Tomato.

In the 1700's tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Think Heinz Ketchup and Ragu to see where we have progressed with this!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Open confession may be good for the soul.

Not in the Book....

[Barb]

When I was in the COOLJC, every now and then they'd have everyone stand for testimony service and one by one recite a Scripture...mercy!!

Invaribaly, someone would say, with their most spiritual voice, "When I THINK of the goodness of Jesus, and ALL He has done for me...my SOUL cries out, HALLELUJAH, praise God for saving me!!"

Oh yeah...

[freeatlast]

I started searchin gthis out some time ago and never finished.

We all have heard Moses was a stutterer.

I think he claimed to be "slow of speech"

I think what Moses was saying that did not give a quick answer but rather had to spend some time thinking things out before he spoke.

Any one have the answer, Did Mose's stutter or was just not quick to give an answer?

[freeatlast]

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!

You are correct !!!

It was this passage that I was studying when I started thinking about Moses and his stammering lips

Stammering lips is not a doctrine of the biblle !!

[tamor]

They shall know them for their "love one for another"

Not in there.

one TO another.

BIG difference.

I can have love FOR you... but it is when I show love TO you that my love FOR you takes action.

Oooh, that's good. :scoregood

[Joseph Miller]

1 Kings 18:44 The seventh time the servant reported, "A cloud as small as a man's hand is rising from the sea." So Elijah said, "Go and tell Ahab, 'Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.' "

Hey, you're right! "As small as" is so not the same as "the size of"! :blink

What translation is this because the KJV doesn't say that. The KJV says, "like a man's hand".

[Darcie]

A few weeks back I was in a service when the Evangelist quoted Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(he added) to be saved.

:naughty (that's not what it says)

[philjones]

A few weeks back I was in a service when the Evangelist quoted Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(he added) to be saved.

:naughty (that's not what it says)

That was the "Personal Amplified Version of the Bible" and if Peter had known there were going to be folks trying to twist his words he would have added it!:pirate:pirate

[Timmy]

What translation is this because the KJV doesn't say that. The KJV says, "like a man's hand".

NIV. When I posted it, I didn't even notice it wasn't KJV. But isn't the meaning clear, regardless? The point was that even though it was just a little (even KJV says that!) cloud on the horizon, Elijah knew that the rain was coming.

(Does only KJV-butchering count? :hypercoffee)

[pelathais]

I'm just getting started for the day and haven't caught up on all the posts in this thread yet, but has anyone mentioned Acts 2:15?

For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

We Apostolics have added an inflection to the "as ye suppose..." We also add the comment, "Peter didn't say they weren't drunk! He just said they were not drunk, as ye suppose...!"

This has added an aspect to our worship and behavior that the NT probably did not intend.

[mfblume]

I started searchin gthis out some time ago and never finished.

We all have heard Moses was a stutterer.

I think he claimed to be "slow of speech"

I think what Moses was saying that did not give a quick answer but rather had to spend some time thinking things out before he spoke.

Any one have the answer, Did Mose's stutter or was just not quick to give an answer?

Albert Barnes: The double expression “slow of speech (Eze_3:5 margin) and of a slow tongue” seems to imply a difficulty both in finding words and in giving them utterance, a very natural result of so long a period of a shepherd’s life, passed in a foreign land.


Adam Clarke: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue; had some impediment in his speech, could not freely and easily bring out his words, or rightly pronounce them; so Lucian (t) the Heathen calls Moses slow tongued, or one slow of speech, and uses the same word the Septuagint does here, which version perhaps he had seen, and from thence took it.

Keil and Delitzsch: “but am heavy in mouth and heavy in tongue” (i.e., I find a difficulty in the use of mouth and tongue, not exactly “stammering”); and that “both of yesterday and the day before” (i.e., from the very first, Gen_31:2), “and also since Thy speaking to Thy servant.” Moses meant to say, “I neither possess the gift of speech by nature, nor have I received it since Thou hast spoken to me.”

[mfblume]

A few weeks back I was in a service when the Evangelist quoted Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(he added) to be saved.

:naughty (that's not what it says)

It is what is inferred though...

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38-39 and MANY OTHER WORDS.

[pelathais]

Isaiah 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”; yet they would not hear.”

This passage has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Ghost!
That's an interesting one because Paul does associate that passage with "speaking in tongues" in 1 Corinthians 14:6-40 (see especially 1 Corinthians 14:21), and in that context it appears to imply "by the Spirit..."


What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.


Where we OP's tend to go astray is when we try and take the KJV's Isaiah 28:11 ("stammering lips") and tell people that this is how the recieve the Holy Ghost- First with stammering or stuttering and then with a better enunciated "other tongue" or language.

But Paul actually translates Isaiah better than the OT KJV does. In 1 Corinthians 14:21, Paul say, "With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people..." The phrase "stammering lips" in the Hebrew of Isaiah does not mean to stutter or stammer, but foreign or other language.

[vrblackwell]

I believe the number one misquoted verse in Pentecost is Acts 2:38 which says'

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

However, I have heard it quoted all to many times like this.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues".

I guess those who quote it this way does not feel as though Peter said it right.:nod

[SDG]

I believe the number one misquoted verse in Pentecost is Acts 2:38 which says'

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

However, I have heard it quoted all to many times like this.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues".

I guess those who quote it this way does not feel as though Peter said it right.:nod

You know this one ... and 2:37 are untouchable ... step back.

[Darcie]

It is what is inferred though...

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38-39 and MANY OTHER WORDS.

YOU may think that's what is inferred, but it is still not what is says.

[Jack Shephard]

John 3:5

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Somewhere along the way people got the idea that being born of the water had to do with Baptism. I thought Baptism was being buried with Christ.
:scorebad

I never understodd that one either. I never heard it any different than the baptism way until I heard Eddie Cupples talk about it. I have thought that maybe it was talking about the physical birth not baptism. But some oneness people preach that as false Doctrine as if that was the only verse that suggests someone should be baptized.

[mfblume]

YOU may think that's what is inferred, but it is still not what is says.

It IS what is inferred and says so much when you read verse 40. You may not wish to believe that, but it is the case. ;)

[SDG]

It IS what is inferred and says so much when you read verse 40. You may not wish to believe that, but it is the case. ;)


Um .... Consistency ... thou art foreign to AFF ... I highly doubt you'd accept the "but it's inferred" argument when faced w/ a futurist ... or someone else and their pet doctrine ... IT AIN'T THERE, BLUMIE.

[vrblackwell]

I never understodd that one either. I never heard it any different than the baptism way until I heard Eddie Cupples talk about it. I have thought that maybe it was talking about the physical birth not baptism. But some oneness people preach that as false Doctrine as if that was the only verse that suggests someone should be baptized.

What is Eddie Cupples view on this?

[revrandy]

I've always loved it when they preach that the Whale spit Jonah out on the shores of Ninevah!! :D

[Jack Shephard]

What is Eddie Cupples view on this?

From what I have heard him say he believes it talks about natural birth not baptism.

[Sheltiedad]

Even facts we learned in grade school have changed, (ie-Pluto is a planet, there are only 9 planets, tomato is a vegetable, we are going to the metric system by 1990, etc.)

Once that foundation of facts has been destroyed, then you realize that so much that we have been taught in church is not actually in the Bible, how do you know what to trust? Then you have people that say, well, it is in there, just not in so many words. lol...

[stmatthew]

Even facts we learned in grade school have changed, (ie-Pluto is a planet, there are only 9 planets, tomato is a vegetable, we are going to the metric system by 1990, etc.)

Once that foundation of facts has been destroyed, then you realize that so much that we have been taught in church is not actually in the Bible, how do you know what to trust? Then you have people that say, well, it is in there, just not in so many words. lol...

Study to show thyself approved.....

[Revelationist]

It is speaking about Abraham and his seed, JESUS!


Originally Posted by Revelationist
I'll bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel...

It doesn't say that....

---------------------------

And it says, thee, not Israel....

[Sam]

Adam and Eve didn't eat an apple.

When Adam ate the apple, a chunk of it lodged in his throat.
Since then all men have an Adam's apple.

God removed a rib from Adam and made a woman.
That's why men have one less rib than women.

[Sam]

The biggest single butchery of a scripture in degree, if not frequency was when the preacher who preached against women wearing their hair up took that scripture "Let he who is on the housetop not come down" for his text.

He preached on the subject: "Top Knot Come Down."

How about the preacher who forbade marble playing by quoting "marvel not"?

[Sam]

A few weeks back I was in a service when the Evangelist quoted Acts 2:37

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
(he added) to be saved.

:naughty (that's not what it says)

Only place where someone asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" is Acts 16:30. The jailer asked Paul and Barnabas this question. The only place an Apostle answered this question is Acts 16:31 which says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

[SDG]

Only place where someone asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" is Acts 16:30. The jailer asked Paul and Barnabas this question. The only place an Apostle answered this question is Acts 16:31 which says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Okay c'mon Sam ... you're just inferring easy-believism ...

[pelathais]

John 3:5

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Somewhere along the way people got the idea that being born of the water had to do with Baptism. I thought Baptism was being buried with Christ.
:scorebad
:scoregood

[Sam]

I've always loved it when they preach that the Whale spit Jonah out on the shores of Ninevah!! :D

How far inland would that whale have to go to reach Nineveh?

[freeatlast]

John 3:16 most OP's add to this scripture.
adding to whosoever believes (and speaks in tongues) shall not perish but have eternal life.

[Darcie]

Only place where someone asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" is Acts 16:30. The jailer asked Paul and Barnabas this question. The only place an Apostle answered this question is Acts 16:31 which says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Thank you Sam. I hadn't seen that before.:scoregood

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes he was. Try reading the NEW TESTATMENT. :)

Hahaha.....try reading my response.....LOL!!

[pelathais]

How far inland would that whale have to go to reach Nineveh?
Swam up Tigris river and spat him out on the ground there?

Off course, since Jonah boarded ship in Joppa, the whale would first have had to swim out the Straights of Gibraltar, circumnavigated the continent of Africa, passed through Hormuz and thence up the Tigris.

To do this in 3 days time would have been difficult, but not impossible. Well, virtually impossible. Okay, Jonah probably had to walk across Aram from the Mediterranean coast to infiltrate Nineveh.

*** Oh boy! Check this guy out (http://www.michaelnetzer.com/gu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=63). He says,

Today Nineveh is 1000 miles from the sea yet Jonah the prophet , swallowed by the Whale fame, lived there and was buried there. Jonah did not walk 1000 miles to be swallowed by a Whale the sea was proximate to Nineveh at that time.


I'm really taking a chance linking to him here. Apostolics tend to pick up on this type of wackiness and embarrass themselves.

[Hoovie]

"God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This is most often interpreted as a requirement to worship with vibrancy and with the knowledge of Acts 2:38, rather than with the inner man and without pretension.

[Sam]

Some "Scriptures" that are quoted every now and then:

1. Mercy sought, mercy found
from the stirrup to the ground.

2. In the day of God every tub shall stand on its own bottom.

3. The Lord helps those who help themselves.

[Sam]

another one some times misquoted is Eph 5:26 which I've heard quoted by Baptists as "that he might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of the water of the word,"

[revrandy]

How far inland would that whale have to go to reach Nineveh?

I think 40 or so...miles...

about 2 days journey...:)

[HeavenlyOne]

Oooh, oooh.....found another one.


1Co 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

1Co 11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

In one verse, "long hair" means anything over the ears and collar, and in the other verse, "long hair" means uncut! LOL!

[mfblume]

"God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This is most often interpreted as a requirement to worship with vibrancy and with the knowledge of Acts 2:38, rather than with the inner man and without pretension.

Right. IN TRUTH simply means in reality, and true worship.

[mfblume]

Oooh, oooh.....found another one.


1Co 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

1Co 11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

In one verse, "long hair" means anything over the ears and collar, and in the other verse, "long hair" means uncut! LOL!

right. Classic!

[HeavenlyOne]

Oh, and another one.


They say scripture says Jesus didn't have a beard. They say there are scriptures that say beards are of the devil.

I'm still trying to find those scriptures!

[Kae]

Delilah wasn't Samson's wife. Samson's wife was burned to death.

[pelathais]

Jonah 3:3 states:

So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

At first reading in the KJV you get the idea that Nineveh was 3 days journey from wherever the whale (or great fish) had vomitted.

The NIV tells us:

Jonah obeyed the word of the Lord and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very important city--a visit required three days

The ASV and others follow the KJV, but the NKJV really helps us out:

So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, a three-day journey in extent.

Instead of the NIV which seems to say you need 3 days to see all of the sites, the NKJV tells us that the city huge - it took 3 days to circumnavigate it's walls.

So, Jonah may have travelled for a month to get there, but once he got there he found this huge city. We're not told that he actually walked around the city. The information discussed above seems to have been intended to related the size of the city in that day.

[Bro-Larry]

How do you know they didn't eat an apple?

An apple has a seed in itself. God gave every tree which had a seed inside itself to be food for mankind. Therefore the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been an apple.

[mfblume]

An apple has a seed in itself. God gave every tree which had a seed inside itself to be food for mankind. Therefore the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been an apple.

The fruit from the forbidden tree was FRUIT, with seed in itself. The seed in itself did not have to be for food for man. All FRUIT has seed in itself. And Eve ate FRUIT.

Gen 3:6 KJV And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Gen 1:11 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

[RandyWayne]

An apple has a seed in itself. God gave every tree which had a seed inside itself to be food for mankind. Therefore the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been an apple.

I have never heard that before, but I can just imagine that somewhere out there is someone who has and is proclaiming the eating of any fruit without seeds, a sin.
(Like seedless watermelons and oranges....)

[Bro-Larry]

The fruit from the forbidden tree was FRUIT, with seed in itself. The seed in itself did not have to be for food for man. All FRUIT has seed in itself. And Eve ate FRUIT.

Gen 3:6 KJV And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Gen 1:11 KJV And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

You've made a good argument there, Bro Blume. However; I don't see any proof that the tree of knowledge of good and evil had a seed in itself.

There are three categories of fruit trees listed in Gen 2:9. We still have those that are good for food, and John saw the tree of life in heaven, but where is a literal tree of knowledge of good and evil? I reasoned that it could not reproduce itself, (which I cannot prove); otherwise we would still find some of that species today?

It probably didn't survived the Garden of Eden. It seems to me that it would have been dangerous for God to have left around for us to continue to eat of, although it is obvious that people are spiritually still making the same mistake that Mr and Mrs Adam made physically in the garden.

[Bro-Larry]

I have never heard that before, but I can just imagine that somewhere out there is someone who has and is proclaiming the eating of any fruit without seeds, a sin.
(Like seedless watermelons and oranges....)

R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.

[RandyWayne]

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

It's not a conspiracy on the part of the major seed producers. The problem is cross pollination. You get a superior plant the first year, but without VERY careful pollination, you will get squat the following year. (My father-in-law runs a 500+ acre produce farm, so set me straight when I asked him about simply keeping a few good plants for seeds..... Well, that and the time needed to de-seed enough plants to get enough for the next planting.)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Ok, on this point I very much doubt there is any nutritional difference between the two and even if there were it would be so minute as to be pointless. I personally LOVE eating oranges and grapefruits that genetic science has removed the seeds from.....

[Bro-Larry]

I knew that would draw a conspiracy comment. lol.

[Bro-Larry]

There is a movement afoot right now in the UN to make it illegal to save seeds from one year to the next.

[pelathais]

R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.
What you have is a mule. There are many examples of "mules" in both the plant and animal kingdoms where closely related species are not closely related enough to produce offspring of their own.

However, there are plenty of mules that are fertile and there's a couple of farms that specialized in the offspring of fertile mules. The sale is mid January and my wife usually drags me out there to see the horses. She wants a Percheron - right... like that's gonna happen!

[Bro-Larry]

What you have is a mule. There are many examples of "mules" in both the plant and animal kingdoms where closely related species are not closely related enough to produce offspring of their own.

However, there are plenty of mules that are fertile and there's a couple of farms that specialized in the offspring of fertile mules. The sale is mid January and my wife usually drags me out there to see the horses. She wants a Percheron - right... like that's gonna happen!

Hey Pelathais,

What I actually have is a henny. The sire was a stud horse. Yes there are a few fertile crosses, but statistically very few.

[Kae]

R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.

There are a lot of seeds that are out there that you can save. You just have to buy the organic or heirloom ones. I used to saved my seeds and replant them the next year and had no problem growing them.

[pelathais]

Hey Pelathais,

What I actually have is a henny. The sire was a stud horse. Yes there are a few fertile crosses, but statistically very few.
Aren't they always female as well?

[Kae]

Ok, on this point I very much doubt there is any nutritional difference between the two and even if there were it would be so minute as to be pointless. I personally LOVE eating oranges and grapefruits that genetic science has removed the seeds from.....[/QUOTE]

Genetic science can never come close to the original that God created. As far as gmo's go check out the experiments they do on animals. Pigs that give birth to empty water sacs.

[Sam]

Ezekiel 16:6 is recited by some Pentecostals to stop bleeding.

[mfblume]

You've made a good argument there, Bro Blume. However; I don't see any proof that the tree of knowledge of good and evil had a seed in itself.

It was "fruit", -- I would think that is all we need to know.

There are three categories of fruit trees listed in Gen 2:9. We still have those that are good for food, and John saw the tree of life in heaven, but where is a literal tree of knowledge of good and evil? I reasoned that it could not reproduce itself, (which I cannot prove); otherwise we would still find some of that species today? [

It is not a natural tree, albeit a tree. The tree of life is not in the world today, either. These trees were physical, albeit unnatural. The forbidden tree caused the people to realize they were naked, when beforehand they did not. Regular trees do not do that.


It probably didn't survived the Garden of Eden. It seems to me that it would have been dangerous for God to have left around for us to continue to eat of, although it is obvious that people are spiritually still making the same mistake that Mr and Mrs Adam made physically in the garden.

Spiritually, yes. Some even think they were not actual trees, anyway. But if we are to believe they WERE actual trees, then we have to admit they were not natural ones about which we would even consider whether or not they "survived" time.

I see a message in the idea the fruit of knowledge of good and evil had seed within itself. The SEED is a WORD, spiritually. I believe the seeds were literal. But I see a type and shadow of a WORD. God's Word is truth. And the devil's word is a lie. They received a LIE in their hearts, when they ate the fruit.

1Pe 1:23 KJV Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


The bible discusses TREES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS as being people! We could see sinners as trees sprung from the forbidden fruit, spiritually. Those who love God's law are said to be like trees planted by the waters in the Psalm. The idea is the reproduction of people God willed to dwell in earth, who ate the fruit of Life, as opposed to people stolen by the devil and made reproductions of his will. Satan's temptation succeeded and men were ill-begotten trees .

Even Jesus said the SEED is the word of God and the SOIL is the heart of men. Satan sows his seed as well.

Mat 13:24-25 KJV Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: (25) But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.


Seeds are found in fruit so that when the fruit is eaten the seed is transported through the eater. Animals do this all the time. It propogates the trees.

Anyway, I see no reason to believe the fruit did not have seeds.

[mfblume]

Another twisted verse:

Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Some propose that "knowledge shall be increased" is referring to increase of science and technology, as though the knowledge was natural knowledge. The context reveals it is knowledge of what the visions meant. Daniel sought to understand the vision. He was told it was not for him to know, since the fulfillment was not applicable to his day. But later, in the end, the knowledge about what the vision meant would be made known.

And this is confirmed here:

Dan 12:8-10 KJV And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? (9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

[Bro-Larry]

It was "fruit", -- I would think that is all we need to know.

[

It is not a natural tree, albeit a tree. The tree of life is not in the world today, either. These trees were physical, albeit unnatural. The forbidden tree caused the people to realize they were naked, when beforehand they did not. Regular trees do not do that.



Spiritually, yes. Some even think they were not actual trees, anyway. But if we are to believe they WERE actual trees, then we have to admit they were not natural ones about which we would even consider whether or not they "survived" time.

I see a message in the idea the fruit of knowledge of good and evil had seed within itself. The SEED is a WORD, spiritually. I believe the seeds were literal. But I see a type and shadow of a WORD. God's Word is truth. And the devil's word is a lie. They received a LIE in their hearts, when they ate the fruit.

1Pe 1:23 KJV Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


The bible discusses TREES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS as being people! We could see sinners as trees sprung from the forbidden fruit, spiritually. Those who love God's law are said to be like trees planted by the waters in the Psalm. The idea is the reproduction of people God willed to dwell in earth, who ate the fruit of Life, as opposed to people stolen by the devil and made reproductions of his will. Satan's temptation succeeded and men were ill-begotten trees .

Even Jesus said the SEED is the word of God and the SOIL is the heart of men. Satan sows his seed as well.

Mat 13:24-25 KJV Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: (25) But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.


Seeds are found in fruit so that when the fruit is eaten the seed is transported through the eater. Animals do this all the time. It propogates the trees.

Anyway, I see no reason to believe the fruit did not have seeds.

Great sermon!! Bro Blume

[Truthseeker]

three wisemen.

[Truthseeker]

how about tithes is firstfruits. they are different.

[Truthseeker]

How about better be right so you won't be left behind when he comes, when scripture teach the wicked are taken and sinst left.

[Truthseeker]

How about shekinah glory, not in bible and isn't shekinah a female goddess?

[Scott Hutchinson]

How about this one? The Lord will split the eastern sky ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is one the storehouse is the local church.

[Truthseeker]

John 3:16 most OP's add to this scripture.
adding to whosoever believes (and speaks in tongues) shall not perish but have eternal life.

and some add the sinner prayer or accepting the lord.

[freeatlast]

and some add the sinner prayer or accepting the lord.

??Shouldn't sinners pray?? and the word "to as many as recieved him"

[mfblume]

How about shekinah glory, not in bible and isn't shekinah a female goddess?

Shekinah is no where in scripture, and is actually a female deity in the Kaballah -- jewish mysticism!

[Truthseeker]

??Shouldn't sinners pray?? and the word "to as many as recieved him"

But is there a "sinners prayer" what is receiving him? another thread, i know.

[Truthseeker]

Shekinah is no where in scripture, and is actually a female deity in the Kaballah -- jewish mysticism!


Any info/links you could post on the subject?

[winklebottom]

how 'bout
VENGEANCE IS SWEET SAITH THE LORD.......

[Nahum]

Shekinah is no where in scripture, and is actually a female deity in the Kaballah -- jewish mysticism!

True, that!

[TRFrance]

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"?

Nope, it's not there either.

Thats a secular proverb that many people think is found in the Bible.

Closest thing to that in the Bible is:
"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24)

[TRFrance]

How about shekinah glory, not in bible and isn't shekinah a female goddess?

The word shekinah is not found in the bible but, according to the Jewish Encyclopedia, it referred to the "majestic presence or manifestation of God which has descended to "dwell" among men" , not a female goddess.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=588&letter=S

Are there others who later used the word to refer to a female goddess?
Yes, most notably Kaballah, which uses the word Shehinah to refer to the "divine feminine" ; but that was not its original meaning.

[Nahum]

three wisemen.

That one kills me!:pirate

I think Christians assume three because of the reference to "gold, frankincense, and myrrh" in the Gospel account of Christ's birth story.

But you are right. It never mentions how many wise men.

[mizpeh]

Shekinah is no where in scripture, and is actually a female deity in the Kaballah -- jewish mysticism!

I thought it was a Hebrew word. :koolaid

[ForeverBlessed]

Jesus said Jonah was "in the belly of a whale."

Matthew 12:40

He obviously heard that from a UPC preacher! LOL!

Forgive me... I just started reading this thread… glad PP posted that scripture.. I do believe it was a whale…

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God prepared and even named the great fish that would swallow Jonah up… he knows our failures…I believe he sees ahead of course and prepares for them.

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt 13:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


My brother preached a message on this once and I bawled like a baby through the whole thing ... had so many failures in my life... just was so assuring to know that he always prepares for our failures.. and he can still use us...even to do great things.


ok, I will go back to reading the rest of the thread.. :pirate

[mfblume]

I thought it was a Hebrew word. :koolaid

It is, but nowhere in the bible.

[mfblume]

Any info/links you could post on the subject?

Warning: FALSE DOCTRINE ON THESE SITES.

http://shekinah.elysiumgates.com/

http://www.crystalinks.com/shekinah.html

[Michael Phelps]

Here's one,

I've heard sooooo many people preach this, they say that in Acts 2:37, the crowd in Jerusalem who responded to Peter's preaching asked, "Men and brethren, what must we do to be saved?"

When, in reality, it only says that they asked "What shall we do?"

[mfblume]

Here's one,

I've heard sooooo many people preach this, they say that in Acts 2:37, the crowd in Jerusalem who responded to Peter's preaching asked, "Men and brethren, what must we do to be saved?"

When, in reality, it only says that they asked "What shall we do?"

Someone already mentioned that somwhere in the forum, -- I am not sure if it was in this thread, though.

But Peter's implication was that it was what they should do for salvation, becuase verse 40 says those words Peter gave, along with many others, were basically saying "SAVE YOURSELVES". So it does fit.

[Michael Phelps]

Someone already mentioned that somwhere in the forum, -- I am not sure if it was in this thread, though.

But Peter's implication was that it was what they should do for salvation, becuase verse 40 says those words Peter gave, along with many others, were basically saying "SAVE YOURSELVES". So it does fit.

It fits, but it's not written like many quote it.

[mfblume]

It fits, but it's not written like many quote it.

I agree.

[Felicity]

I haven't read all the way through this thread - don't have time, just on brek here - but the scripture that comes immediately to mind is the one OPs use all the time ....... "not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter in" (however it goes). They use it to throw the rest of Christians outside out own ranks in hell. In reality the scripture is talking about "false prophets" who are working EVIL works.

Context, context, context. :)

[freeatlast]

I haven't read all the way through this thread - don't have time, just on brek here - but the scripture that comes immediately to mind is the one OPs use all the time ....... "not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter in" (however it goes). They use it to throw the rest of Christians outside out own ranks in hell. In reality the scripture is talking about "false prophets" who are working EVIL works.

Context, context, context. :)

Felicity: doncha know that aLL those outside of our ranks are false prophets ?

:hypercoffee J/Kiddin...but some do believe that.

[pelathais]

It is, but nowhere in the bible.
"shekinah" in Old Testament times had cognates in Ugaritic and Aramaic. It wasn't used in OT times perhaps because of the associations the word had in those other religions. The idea was usually expressed as "kabod" in the OT.

Some of the "winged creatures" in ancient Assyrian artwork were called "shekinah."

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc275/pelathais/wingjb.jpg

It was in rabbinic times that, as the Jewish language changed and the other "pagan" religions were absorbed or modified, that different expressions came into use. Even today however, especially among kabbalists there are some strains of thought that many feel are not quite "Jewish" that are associated with the word.

Like many other religious terms, the word can have various meanings to different people at different times. This does present a problem for those of a literalistic mindset. But being overly literal is a problem in and of itself that only education can relieve.

[Sam]

That one kills me!:pirate

I think Christians assume three because of the reference to "gold, frankincense, and myrrh" in the Gospel account of Christ's birth story.

But you are right. It never mentions how many wise men.

But at Christmas time we sing "We three kings of Orient are.." and the song even goes on to name them.

I had a pastor who referred to stuff like this as "songbook theology."

[Sam]

I haven't read all the way through this thread - don't have time, just on brek here - but the scripture that comes immediately to mind is the one OPs use all the time ....... "not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter in" (however it goes). They use it to throw the rest of Christians outside out own ranks in hell. In reality the scripture is talking about "false prophets" who are working EVIL works.

Context, context, context. :)


Someone said:
A text,
taken from its context,
is often just a pretext.

[Cindy]

Excellent!

The last thing we need is angry Pentecostals claiming dominion over sinners like rabid Crusaders.

He said the church, not Pentecostals. And the scripture is about the violent taking it by force, ( the kingdom of God ). Not witnessing. sheesh. And you started the thread.

[Joelel]

Ok, I'll bite.

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

This means women can't wear pants, even women's pants.


:D

What did you expect me to say?????

Hi,Pertaineth means it was made for a man,womans pants was not made for a man.Back at the time of Jesus men and women wore robes but they made robes for men and robes for women.It is wrong for men or women to wear tight cloths.

[Joelel]

In James: "An open-minded man is unstable in all his ways."

I heard that quoted recently, but still can't find it.......



:D

Maybe it was miss quoted.It does say this.

Jas.1
[8] A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

[Wink]

The Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform
One of those much quoted "scriptures" that seems to disappear when you try to find it!!

[RandyWayne]

I have heard "Vengeance is mine...." quoted MANY times over the years while leaving out the all-important "..saith the Lord" at the end.

[Truthseeker]

Malchi 3:8 is slaughtered many times over.

[mfblume]

Another one slaughtered is :

Jude 1:23 KJV And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.


Some manuscruipts read: “and others compassionate with (IN) fear.”

Jamieson, Fauset and Browne noted that this refers to saving "...those who are objects of compassion, whom accordingly you should compassionate (and help if occasion should offer), but at the same time not let pity degenerate into connivance at their error. Your compassion is to be accompanied “with fear” of being at all defiled by them."

It is speaking of US HAVING FEAR when we see them lost. Not instilling fear in them through a sermon that scares the wits out of them.

Other scholars think it is instilling fear. But I have found that emotional appeals last for a short time and wear off. Recall the late 1970's scare tactics of prophecy seminars. Hundreds were "saved" and hundreds backslid in a couple of months.

The verse reminds me of this one, showing Paul had a fear for those lost.

2 Corinthians 5:11 KJV Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

[Fab]

That one kills me!:pirate

I think Christians assume three because of the reference to "gold, frankincense, and myrrh" in the Gospel account of Christ's birth story.

But you are right. It never mentions how many wise men.

True. Micah 5 speaks of the birth of Christ and 5:5 says "And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men." Could 8 principle men mean 8 wise men????

[Fab]

I also think another scripture that is badly abused is Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

I have heard it preached that we are overcome by the word of our testimony. Firstly, this is speaking to the tribulation Jews. Secondly, we can testify all we want, but if we don't live according to the Word, we will not be overcomers.

[joyful]

One scripture that I have heard misquoted and preached out of context several times is 2 Peter 3:9

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I have heard it shortened and changed many times to "The Lord is not slack concerning his promises". Which of course, is true, but it is not what the verse is about since it's referring to the coming of the Lord.

I just heard that again this week and it was bugging me.

[tv1a]

The one that bugs me is the quote often said like it is a scripture. People say God will not dwell in an unclean temple as if to put conditions on someone to receieve the Holy Ghost....

[luzsilver]

How about the preacher saying that Noe preached huh. did Noe preach to the poeple , nope he didnt.

[Sam]

How about the preacher saying that Noe preached huh. did Noe preach to the poeple , nope he didnt.

2 Peter 3:5 calls Noah "a preacher of righteousness"

[mfblume]

The one that bugs me is the quote often said like it is a scripture. People say God will not dwell in an unclean temple as if to put conditions on someone to receieve the Holy Ghost....

And ...as if to say a Christian cannot possess a devil.

[seekerman]

Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

This is supposed to teach a future, unknown, 7 year end time period.

[notofworks]

Without a doubt, the most butchered verses in the bible are John 3, and Acts 2:38. Not even close.

[SRM]

John 8:58..people use this to prove Jesus was saying He was God...ha
John 9 the blind man also said he was "I am" guess He was God too :)

[Jeffrey]

"where two or three are gathered...." to suggest a group has official right to God's spirit by their sheer number, disregarding the practical advice on how to resolve a dispute in the church.

[SRM]

Matthew 24:14..is used to mean the Gospel STILL has to be preached in ALL the world so the "end" will come..never mind Paul said in Col 1:5-6 and in verse 23 that the Gospel WAS preached to every creature..and to end of the earth in Romans 10:18..

[pelathais]

I've mentioned this one before - maybe in this thread, already.

Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

This one is often used amongst Pentecostals to teach that a person "receives stammering lips" AND THEN they speak with tongues. I've known people who have actually made this a doctrine on how to receive the Holy Ghost.

Yet the apostle Paul quotes this very verse and says:

"In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord."

1 Corinthians 14:21.

Isaiah was employing a parallelism when he said "stammering lips and other tongues..." The "lips" and the "tongues" were the same phenomena - xenoglossolalia - or "a foreign language."

Our modern usage appears to simply be a way of consoling people who "didn't quite get it" (the Holy Ghost) so that the preacher and everyone else can get off to Chili's before the lines get too long.

[notofworks]

"where two or three are gathered...." to suggest a group has official right to God's spirit by their sheer number, disregarding the practical advice on how to resolve a dispute in the church.


I agree, Jeffrey!! The others in that Mt 18 passage are "if two or three agree" and "Whatever is bound on earth, bound in heaven" as an excuse for the "Name it and claim it, grab it and blab it" doctrine. Those verses are ONLY about resolving disputes!

And Philippians 4:13 is close. People quote it before trying to climb Mt. Everest and say, "I can do all things through Christ....". Phil 4:13 is talking about the strength of Christ to deal with poverty and wealth and to persevere through difficulty, not to win or complete a race or physical challenge.

[Jeffrey]

Here are a few more:

Rev 3:20 "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me."

Commonly used to describe Jesus' promise to anyone who might accept him as Savior and Lord; that is, it is seen as en evangelistic promise: "If you will open the door of your heart, Christ promises to enter." But in context, Rev 3:20 is a promise from the risen Christ to a congregation of "lukewarm" Christians. He assures these disobedient believers that he is ready and waiting to renew fellowship with them if they will turn to him.

2 Timothy 2:22 is a favorite verse for fighting off sexual temptation. But how does the surrounding context define "evil desires of youth?" Paul is writing to Timothy, who is facing the problem of false teachers within the leadership of the church in Ephesus. The previous section (14-19) makes it clear that Timothy must resist false teachers (also supported in 2:20-21; 23-26). Paul tells Timothy to run away from foolish discussions, arguments and theological novelties so attractive to young ministers and to run instead after righteousness, faith, love and peace with the true people of God. The verse has little (if anything) to do with sexual temptation.

Okay so that one may not be as common as some others.

I think "One Lord, One Faith and One Baptism" should be in there, as a scripture used to defend one formula for baptism.

The Time-Frame Fallacy is common... when a minister latches onto a late word meaning (something popular today) and read it back into the Bible, or when we insist than an early word meaning still holds when in fact is has since become obsolete. For instance, how many have heard the word "dynamite" used with a sort of esoteric profundity in the verse Romans 1:16 -- then launch into the science of dynamite and how it blows things up! Did Paul know of dynamite?? lol

Oh man... this should be a fun thread. I usually have a ton of these off the top of my head. Running dry. It's like the more common ones I can't think of. Be back :)

[shag]

Another one:
The thief in John 10:10 is NOT the devil.:grampa




(see Jn. ch. 9 -10, Ez. 34)

[Hoovie]

John 10:10 (The Message)

6-10Jesus told this simple story, but they had no idea what he was talking about. So he tried again. "I'll be explicit, then. I am the Gate for the sheep. All those others are up to no good—sheep stealers, every one of them. But the sheep didn't listen to them. I am the Gate. Anyone who goes through me will be cared for—will freely go in and out, and find pasture. A thief is only there to steal and kill and destroy. I came so they can have real and eternal life, more and better life than they ever dreamed of.

[shag]

Another one:
The thief in John 10:10 is NOT the devil.:grampa




(see Jn. ch. 9 -10, Ez. 34)


good one Hoovie, "sheep stealers" :thumbsup


The pharisees were the thiefs /leaders/ blind shepherds, not satan(in Jn. 10:10) that would be replaced by the Good Shepherd. And on that same context of teaching by Jesus in Jn 10, spoken of in Ez. ch. 34, and the context also ties into Luke 19:10

Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save that which was lost."

Ez. 34: 11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

And in Ez. 34's context, it seems "That which was Lost", was the lost sheep that were scattered because of the blind misguiding shepherds(thiefs), the pharisees(of Jn. 10), so the scattered sheep needed the Good Shepherd :thumbsup

[Aquila]

This is what the KJV says

"And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down that the rain stop thee not."

Many don't realize that this cloud wasn't the "size" of a man's hand. Imagine a cloud as small as your hands way up in the sky appearing over the ocean. Odds are, you'd not be able to see the whispy little thing.

What this means is that a cloud was seen. Often people would extend their arms and look at the cloud's size in comparison to their hands. It was obviously a storm front gathering over the sea. At such a distance it was most likely quite a large cloud.

[TheLegalist]

Ephesians 2:8-9
Jeremiah 17:9
Isa 64:6
Rom 6:14-15
John 3:16
I think 5 is enought for now.

[TheLegalist]

The one that bugs me is the quote often said like it is a scripture. People say God will not dwell in an unclean temple as if to put conditions on someone to receieve the Holy Ghost....

Yep not in scripture and totally out of context and application of why some people say that.

[Aquila]

Luke 7:37-38
{7:37} And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that [Jesus] sat at meat in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, {7:38} And stood at his feet behind [him] weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe [them] with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed [them] with the ointment.

It’s often preached that this woman washed Christ’s feet with the tears that she was crying. It’s most probable that the “tears” referred to hear are actually bottles that are known as “tear bottles”. Here is a picture of a tear bottle:

http://www.tias.com/stores/fj/thumbs/3009-1200268513a.jpg

The origin of the tear bottle is obscure, but is believed to predate the time of King David. David wrote:

Psalm 56:8
“Thou tellest my wanderings, put thou my tears in Thy bottle; are they not in Thy Book?”

Tear bottles were very abundant in the Roman Empire. Those mourning the death of a loved one or those mourning their struggles, sin, or condition often cried with one of these bottles held to their cheek while sobbing in their brokenness. It was common to keep oil in these bottles to “preserve” the tears. The woman mentioned in Luke had “tears”, plural. Indicating that within her alabaster box she had at least two bottles.

Regarding the woman, know she was a woman without a good reputation. Most believe she was a prostitute. Women rarely chose to become prostitutes. In ancient times a woman who was divorced often had no other way to support herself or her children but to prostitute. Often a young widow with no one to care for her would suffer a similar fate. Abandoned little girls were often rounded up and forced into the trade. Some parents even sold their daughters to “masters” who forced them into prostitution.

Aside from the obvious experiences a woman would experience in such a trade it must be remembered that prostitutes were often physically and emotionally abused by their clients and their “masters”. Some would even be raped by men who wanted to “teach these women a lesson”. Many died of such abuse. Being a prostitute, a woman was rarely afforded any justice whatsoever.

It’s possible that this woman’s background was one of great pain. Perhaps she lost a young husband at a young age and found herself unable to marry to survive. Perhaps she had sinned, in a moment of weakness, and her husband divorced her. Or maybe her husband left her for another woman. Maybe she was abandoned as a young girl or even sold into prostitution by her parents, the very ones who were supposed to love her and care for her.

We don’t know her circumstances. But we do know that her life was one of shame, pain, and sorrow. A life of many tears.

It was believed that the tears kept in these bottles represented one’s crying before God. As a result they were often buried with these tear bottles, symbolizing the act of taking their pain and sorrow before the LORD. As David said it was believed that the LORD kept those tears in his bottle, recording our crying in his book of remembrance.

What is so striking here is that this woman takes her “tears” and begins to pour them out at the feet of our Lord. She doesn’t wait to be buried with her tears, she realizes that Jesus is indeed the Lord and pours her pain out before him. All of her pain, sorrow, disappointment, and loss…being poured out upon his feet. She had been delivered, now she rids herself of the heartache of her past as she worships the Lord.

Or…could the above be a misinterpretation? Thoughts?

[Pressing-On]

Luke 7:37-38
{7:37} And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that [Jesus] sat at meat in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, {7:38} And stood at his feet behind [him] weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe [them] with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed [them] with the ointment.

It’s often preached that this woman washed Christ’s feet with the tears that she was crying. It’s most probable that the “tears” referred to hear are actually bottles that are known as “tear bottles”.

I studied this years ago when I first heard that she anointed him with her tears from crying. Found that not to be true. It was the tear bottle.

[Esther]

I studied this years ago when I first heard that she anointed him with her tears from crying. Found that not to be true. It was the tear bottle.

How did you determine that? Curious.

[Pressing-On]

How did you determine that? Curious.

One source is from a book called, "Strange Scriptures That Perplex the Western Mind" by Barbara M. Bowen, pgs. 24-25.

I've read this passage so many times and never noticed Jesus was in the home of a Pharisee. Hmmm.... That will preach!!! LOL!

We find reference in many old books to the custom of collecting the tears of the whole family and preserving them in bottles. Thus King David prays, "Put thou my tears into they bottle: are they not in thy book?" Tear bottles have been found in very large numbers on opening ancient tombs. They are made of thin glass usually, although, the very poor sometimes had just simply pottery bottles, not even baked or glazed. They were all made with a slender body, broad at the base, with a funnel-shaped top. Every member of the family owned a tear bottle and they collected the tears of the whole family.

When serious trouble or a death occurred in the home, all the relatives came and each one brought his tear bottle with him. As they wept and wailed, the tears rolling down their cheeks, each person took his or her tear bottle and gathered tears from the faces of all present.

This bottle was exceedingly sacred to them. It represented all the heartaches, sorrows and bereavements from the grandparents down to the small child. When a person died, his tear bottle was buried with him, as one of his most sacred possessions.

This helps us to a better understanding of what the woman did for her Master. She noticed the very discourteous way in which Christ was treated as a guest in the house of Simon the Pharisee.

He provided no water to wash the Lord's feet and no oil to anoint his head; so this poor, sinful woman, longing for forgiveness and a new life, took her tear bottle, poured the tears over his tired, dusty feet and wiped them with her long hair. A great sacrifice indeed, done in love and gratitude to the Saviour. They could not be replaced and she might die without a bottle of tears to be buried with her in her tomb. "She bathed his feet with tears."

[Esther]

One source is from a book called, "Strange Scriptures That Perplex the Western Mind" by Barbara M. Bowen, pgs. 24-25.

I've read this passage so many times and never noticed Jesus was in the home of a Pharisee. Hmmm.... That will preach!!! LOL!

If something this sacred to them, seems odd to me she would be carrying it with her. I wonder if that was a custom, to carry the bottle "in case" a crying moment occurs?

[Pressing-On]

If something this sacred to them, seems odd to me she would be carrying it with her. I wonder if that was a custom, to carry the bottle "in case" a crying moment occurs?

Well, my thinking is that Jesus raised such a stir that she knew enough about him to bring the bottle. I'm thinking it was the same for the woman with the issue of blood. Heard and seen enough to believe that if she could only get close enough.....


Luke 7:44 "And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. (45) Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. (46) My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. (47) Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. (48) And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

I don't have time to search and can't remember the exact wording, but is this the incident that Jesus said we would speak of for generations?

[Pressing-On]

Well, my thinking is that Jesus raised such a stir that she knew enough about him to bring the bottle. I'm thinking it was the same for the woman with the issue of blood. Heard and seen enough to believe that if she could only get close enough.....




I don't have time to search and can't remember the exact wording, but is this the incident that Jesus said we would speak of for generations?

No, of course, it was the Alabaster Box incident - Mark 14:9. She was at Simon the Leper's house. And the tear bottle was at Simon the Pharisee. Lots of Simons around. LOL!

[shag]

Many people use this statement to say BAD THINGS happen to everyone. But it is saying the opposite! It is saying GOD SENDS BLESSINGS to good and bad people. He loves them all.

It comes after this verse, telling us to treat enemies with goodness


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Mat 5:45 KJV That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.


Mat 5:44 KJV But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;



People I know, continue to argue that this is speaking of "that's just life".
I don't get it...context

[Carl]

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Mat 5:45 KJV That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.


Mat 5:44 KJV But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;



People I know, continue to argue that this is speaking of "that's just life".
I don't get it...context
This one is the most annoying, I remember hearing it just about every Sunday. We hear how we have all these promises and provisions for blessing but then life just happens and cancels it all out anyway.

[allstate1]

Acts 2:38

(Decide for yourselves who butchers it! :sly)

When they add " with the evidence of speaking in tongues " to the end!

[Abiding Now]

When they add " with the evidence of speaking in tongues " to the end!

Why in the world would someone do that?