View Full Version : SHOCKER!! PAW Min. TONEX embraces Carlton Pearson's Doctrine on TV show!!!!!
DId you hear that Gospel super Star and PAW Minister,TONEX
openly Defended Cartlton Pearson and has seemingly &/or allegedley embraced the same Doctrine ???
It was on a show called EXALTED on BET- They did a story on Carlton. TONEX was interviewed about the changes in CPs and spoke out in his defense saying that a lot of preachers are secretly agreeing with CP also but too afraid to come forward
bishoph
11-13-2007, 12:59 AM
Tonex is an Apostolic train wreck! He has lived a very public questionable lifestyle and his father would never have endorsed such nonsense.
In some ways however this does not surprise me too much because there are some on this forum that seem to embrace the same ideology.
Tonex is an Apostolic train wreck! He has lived a very public questionable lifestyle and his father would never have endorsed such nonsense.
In some ways however this does not surprise me too much because there are some on this forum that seem to embrace the same ideology.
embraces the inclusion doctrine ?? on AFF ???
who for instance ??
disciple
11-13-2007, 06:42 AM
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
SoCaliUPC
11-13-2007, 09:56 AM
Tonex stated that those that publically put CP down, secretly embrace the doctrine that he is spewing out there.
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
the PAW is not embracing this doctrine just TONEX - They all know he's gone nuts.
Sandra
11-13-2007, 10:20 AM
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?
You can't broadbrush all of PAW with this Doctrine because of one person
although they have been going through a shaking. it doesn't have to do with this inclusion doctrine
bishoph
11-13-2007, 12:12 PM
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?
NO! He has pretty much denied all allegations for years. He recently made an "in passing" type statement that he had been delivered. Whatever that is supposed to imply.
NO! He has pretty much denied all allegations for years. He recently made an "in passing" type statement that he had been delivered. Whatever that is supposed to imply.
Bishop Did you see that last video he came out with? it was FOWL and he made it very clear what side of the fence he was on
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Don't dip an entire group of people in the flames of hell.
seguidordejesus
11-13-2007, 03:07 PM
Bishop Did you see that last video he came out with? it was FOWL and he made it very clear what side of the fence he was on
What's the name of it?
stmatthew
11-13-2007, 04:31 PM
Anyone that would use the language this man uses is not a Christian in any sense of the word.
Monkeyman
11-13-2007, 04:32 PM
Anyone that would use the language this man uses is not a Christian in any sense of the word.Who, TONEX or Pearson?
Monkeyman
11-13-2007, 04:33 PM
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?TONEX???
stmatthew
11-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Who, TONEX or Pearson?
Tonex
Monkeyman
11-13-2007, 04:53 PM
TonexWhen and where did he use offensive language? This is all new news to me!!!!!!
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 04:58 PM
DId you hear that Gospel super Star and PAW Minister,TONEX
openly Defended Cartlton Pearson and has seemingly &/or allegedley embraced the same Doctrine ???
It was on a show called EXALTED on BET- They did a story on Carlton. TONEX was interviewed about the changes in CPs and spoke out in his defense saying that a lot of preachers are secretly agreeing with CP also but too afraid to come forward
I know Im gonna step on some toes....but who cares about Tonex anyways? In America we listen to a bunch of hair brained actors and rock musicians as though they are the real "thinkers" and we have idiots that follow them unquestioningly....
Do we do the same with some of these Christian music artists? Is Tonex a theologian?
stmatthew
11-13-2007, 04:58 PM
When and where did he use offensive language? This is all new news to me!!!!!!
I can't remember where I heard his recent deal where he talkes about not being gay. It could have been YouTube. But he was cussing up a storm.
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 04:59 PM
embraces the inclusion doctrine ?? on AFF ???
who for instance ??
Crak does
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 05:00 PM
The PAW fell by the liberal wayside many years ago. They are gonners, imo. Shame on them for allowing such heresy to be preached and taught among them! A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Wait a second. Carlton Pearson is NOT PAW and never was as far as I know. Tonex is just a recording artist and not a representative of the PAW
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 05:01 PM
Tonex stated that those that publically put CP down, secretly embrace the doctrine that he is spewing out there.
Can I say Tonex is an idiot without being accused of "preacher" bashing? Is he a preacher? That has got to be one of the dumbest and irresponsible statements I have seen in a while. How does he know? Does he read minds? lol
crakjak
11-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Crak does
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.
Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 05:22 PM
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.
Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.
Not really...CP and you both believe EVERYONE eventually is saved
A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.
For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell.
http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm
bishoph
11-13-2007, 06:07 PM
The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO
crakjak
11-13-2007, 07:31 PM
Not really...CP and you both believe EVERYONE eventually is saved
http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm
Quote:
A person who spends every day getting drunk, will ruin their health, marriage, family and career; they will make their lives a living Hell. But that still falls far short of the chronic alcoholic being condemned by a just God to literally burn in Hell forever and ever.
For others it may very well be that the punishment merited by their sins is greater than what they receive in this life. For those people perhaps there will be some kind of punishment after death, but we believe that it will be remedial and corrective rather than just punishment for punishment's sake. Exactly what that will be and how long it will last we don't know. Will Hell for some people last 10 minutes or 10 million years... we don't know. But this we do know; Hell will not last for eternity; it will not be endless... Don't sin. Be reunited with God now, rather than after you have put yourself (and those you love) through Hell. http://www.inclusion.ws/faq1.htm
There are certainly some areas of agreement, and with this quote I certainly do agree.
However, CP appears to embrace those that are living in blatant sin in the fellowship of believers, I believe the scriptures teach us to separate from those that walk in open rebellion against the principles of holiness. Those that are seeking deliverance and freedom from ungodly lifestyles are a different matter.
chaotic_resolve
11-13-2007, 09:46 PM
It's a sad deal with Tonex. A friend of mine attended a church where Tonex preached a few years ago - right before the "Out the Box" cd came out. He said Tonex was tough on Acts 238, the oneness and also slammed "fake" preachers who live one way behind the pulpit and another way when not behind it. He also came down hard on homosexuals in the apostolic church.
Then came "Out the Box" and I think he got too big for his own good. Kind of like Kirk Franklin. Couldn't handle the fame.
Now I see Tonex on YouTube cursing and being exactly the "minister" he condemned before.
Sad. And what's even more so is he's still sought after to preach and sing at churches around the country.
seguidordejesus
11-13-2007, 09:50 PM
All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?
Praxeas
11-13-2007, 10:28 PM
It's called "The Naked Truth" and it is a profanity laced tirade where he even talks about having acts 2:38 tatooed on his arm but spits out profanity after profanity
All this talk about Tonex cursing...is it the b_ _ _ _ _d word we're talkign about, or is he being really vulgar somewhere else?
It's worse then that- i wouldn't even be appropriate to post the link.
In it he also admits to being Gay
SoCaliUPC
11-13-2007, 11:29 PM
The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO
Very true!
Jekyll
11-14-2007, 12:13 AM
Is there any question what kind of a fraud STonex is?? What a Christian example of spreading the gospel...:(
The sad reality is that Tonex is a pastor. He assumed the pastorate of his fathers (the late District Elder Anthony C. Williams) church. (Truth Apostolic Community Church) This is a church that has had an "accepting" attitude for some time, that was only somewhat checked by D/E Williams, when he passed, under Tonex's leadership there is no restraint. IMO
Bishop There's a lot of strrrrrrrrange things going up in there.
Tonex and his mom have ran a lot of the members away with all the Nutty practices they have brought into the church. The PAW Bishop has tried to intervene to no avail.
after he put out that last video, i don't see how anyone could stay in that church
Is there any question what kind of a fraud STonex is?? What a Christian example of spreading the gospel...:(
I heard him preach about 3-4 years in Philadelphia- He was AWESOME.
I really cannot understand what happend to him- a lot of people are scratching their Heads wondering the same thing
Wait a second. Carlton Pearson is NOT PAW and never was as far as I know. Tonex is just a recording artist and not a representative of the PAW
Carlton Pearson grew up COGIC and remained in good standing with them until he went wacky. after which , the renounced him as a Heretic
Those that continue in blatant sin have not yet entered into the LIFE of reconcilation. The are perishing or wasting their present lives they will be pruned, purged and purified if the die in the current state.
Big difference Prax. Can't consider it Inclusion just yet.
So, what happens while they are being pruned, purged, purified ?
what's the process ??? and what happens when that ends ?
Jekyll
11-14-2007, 12:32 AM
I heard him preach about 3-4 years in Philadelphia- He was AWESOME.
I really cannot understand what happend to him- a lot of people are scratching their Heads wondering the same thing
Are you kidding me??? After suffering through 5 minutes of one of his DVDs this stuff is not surprising. It doesn't take anyone super spiritual to see this guy was a glory freak, a star seeker, a player to the crowd. Every genre/generation has its dudes that "tell it like it is...," and in the end they lose it because they are planted in the stony ground.
Not scratchin my head...
Are you kidding me??? After suffering through 5 minutes of one of his DVDs this stuff is not surprising. It doesn't take anyone super spiritual to see this guy was a glory freak, a star seeker, a player to the crowd. Every genre/generation has its dudes that "tell it like it is...," and in the end they lose it because they are planted in the stony ground.
Not scratchin my head...
He was not like this when his Dad was alive.
Jekyll
11-14-2007, 12:45 AM
He was not like this when his Dad was alive.
Yeah, life stinks sometimes...but is this an excuse to go off the deep end? :nah
Yeah, life stinks sometimes...but is this an excuse to go off the deep end? :nah
Making No Excuses whatsoever- just telling you how it went down
pelathais
11-14-2007, 01:38 AM
Would it be correct to say that CP's "inclusion doctrine" is pretty much the same thing as Universalism, only with "Jesus thrown in?" (mean no disrespect with that but can't think of a better way to describe what I've read and heard about CP).
The only difference I pick up on is that CP has seemed to say that Jesus "had to die" in order that everyone can be "saved." Universalism can get by on its own without the ministry of Jesus Christ at all.
Truthseeker
11-14-2007, 07:24 AM
It's shame a christian would even listen to his music, but alot are listening to alot of mess now days and call it christian music.
crakjak
11-14-2007, 07:38 AM
Would it be correct to say that CP's "inclusion doctrine" is pretty much the same thing as Universalism, only with "Jesus thrown in?" (mean no disrespect with that but can't think of a better way to describe what I've read and heard about CP).
The only difference I pick up on is that CP has seemed to say that Jesus "had to die" in order that everyone can be "saved." Universalism can get by on its own without the ministry of Jesus Christ at all.
Unitarianism embraces all without Christ. Christian Universalism recognizes the cross as the only means for man's redemption. I don't know whether CP believes Jesus blood is the only means or not.
Truthseeker
11-14-2007, 07:54 AM
Unitarianism embraces all without Christ. Christian Universalism recognizes the cross as the only means for man's redemption. I don't know whether CP believes Jesus blood is the only means or not.
He believs all will be saved no matter what they believe or live. one could be a chester the molester and still go to heaven.
Monkeyman
11-14-2007, 11:54 AM
It's shame a christian would even listen to his music, but alot are listening to alot of mess now days and call it christian music.Now you lost me, I don't think I am a SHAME at all to listen to any Christian music I CHOOSE to, so get over it.
I can agree on taking shots about ridiculous statements and being openly gay...but NOT the music. If you think that the only "Christian" music is fiddles or 1960-1980 UPC song-service songs, whatever...seek some more truth.
I knew this thread would go here, whatever.:donuts
Monkeyman
11-14-2007, 11:55 AM
BTW...I HATED his last project...but I don't trot down that elitist road.
Truthseeker
11-14-2007, 12:33 PM
Now you lost me, I don't think I am a SHAME at all to listen to any Christian music I CHOOSE to, so get over it.
I can agree on taking shots about ridiculous statements and being openly gay...but NOT the music. If you think that the only "Christian" music is fiddles or 1960-1980 UPC song-service songs, whatever...seek some more truth.
I knew this thread would go here, whatever.:donuts
Some of this so called christain music is just worldly music repackaged.
dizzyde
11-14-2007, 01:09 PM
Now you lost me, I don't think I am a SHAME at all to listen to any Christian music I CHOOSE to, so get over it.
I can agree on taking shots about ridiculous statements and being openly gay...but NOT the music. If you think that the only "Christian" music is fiddles or 1960-1980 UPC song-service songs, whatever...seek some more truth.
I knew this thread would go here, whatever.:donuts
PREACH brother!
:yahoo :happydance
:choir
crakjak
11-14-2007, 07:39 PM
He believs all will be saved no matter what they believe or live. one could be a chester the molester and still go to heaven.
Chester will no longer be a molester when he goes to heaven, all chaff and dross will be removed by the refiner's fire.
Truthseeker
11-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Chester will no longer be a molester when he goes to heaven, all chaff and dross will be removed by the refiner's fire.
I'm interested in discussing this more with you. i'm gonna start a thread.
Jekyll
11-14-2007, 10:44 PM
Chester will no longer be a molester when he goes to heaven, all chaff and dross will be removed by the refiner's fire.
That refiner's fire has its place here on earth, pal not in heaven...if you're gonna be next to Chester it aint gonna be in heaven...yeah tha chaff and dross will be removed by the EVERLASTING fire.
crakjak
11-14-2007, 10:57 PM
That refiner's fire has its place here on earth, pal not in heaven...if you're gonna be next to Chester it aint gonna be in heaven...yeah tha chaff and dross will be removed by the EVERLASTING fire.
I Cor. 5:5 Tells a different story, the immoral man is turned over to Satan for the destruction of his sinful nature, "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
God has not created billions of people in His image to fail in His purpose to redeem the whole creation, and surrender these billions to be preserved in an eternal sinful state. He came to destroy the works of the devil and to bring an end to the curse. Your position is contrary, and says sin and the curse will be maintained and preserved, by God, in a "hellhole" of corruption for billions and billions of years. No sir, that idea was birthed in the dark ages by apostate "church" leaders and pagans to control the masses by fear and manipulation.
Jekyll
11-14-2007, 11:05 PM
I Cor. 5:5 Tells a different story, the immoral man is turned over to Satan for the destruction of his sinful nature, "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
God has not created billions of people in His image to fail in His purpose to redeem the whole creation, and surrender these billions to be preserved in an eternal sinful state. He came to destroy the works of the devil and to bring an end to the curse. Your position is contrary, and says sin and the curse will be maintained and preserved, by God, in a "hellhole" of corruption for billions and billions of years. No sir, that idea was birthed in the dark ages by apostate "church" leaders and pagans to control the masses by fear and manipulation.
He was to be kicked out of the church, his humanity turned to satan so that he could be brought to repentence and that his spirit may be saved. That theme is alive through scripture.
Your logic and taking scripture would make one believe that all who betray Christ should go hang themselves like Judas did. This heresy is totally and unabashedly WRONG.
crakjak
11-14-2007, 11:34 PM
He was to be kicked out of the church, his humanity turned to satan so that he could be brought to repentence and that his spirit may be saved. That theme is alive through scripture.
Your logic and taking scripture would make one believe that all who betray Christ should go hang themselves like Judas did. This heresy is totally and unabashedly WRONG.
The point is that God was/is willing to go to great lengths to bring men to right relationship with Himself. He has the power, the time, the love, the mercy and every means to seek and to save those that do not know Him.
In this case, He even uses Satan for His purpose, image such a thing.
Paul claimed to be the WORST of sinners, he murdered the believers in Jesus, yet God forcibly converted him. If God has the ability to do so, and it is His purpose to do so, why would He not do so?
TRFrance
01-04-2008, 02:59 AM
Not a shocker, isn't he openly gay?
No he's not.
NO! He has pretty much denied all allegations for years. He recently made an "in passing" type statement that he had been delivered. Whatever that is supposed to imply.
He has hinted/implied that he was sexually abused as a child, apparently by a man.
It's worse then that- i wouldn't even be appropriate to post the link.
In it he also admits to being Gay
Not true at all. I saw the video. He never admitted any such thing.
As a matter of fact, the reason he's so angry in the video is because a gossip website had just printed an article implying that he was gay, which he strongly denied in that video.
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