View Full Version : MAJOR TULSA REVELVATION!!! Wait til you Hear this!!!!!!!
*** OMG *** OMG *** OMG ***
Did you hear that One of the 5 major players that is starting the new organization in Tulsa,called an Ultra Liberal UPC Pastor and asked him to be in their inner circle meeting scheduled for first week of Feb in Tulsa. Kinda strange with this pastor being as liberal as anywhere. It's been revealed that This Pastor is trying to get big names and churches that would hurt. It would also give new Org instant missions status because of all that this major church (one of the largest in UPC!!!) has going on.
Thadisdaman
11-19-2007, 10:32 PM
What district is the Lib from? If it is the Western I have a pretty good Idea who it is.
What district is the Lib from? If it is the Western I have a pretty good Idea who it is.
upper midwest
Thadisdaman
11-19-2007, 10:36 PM
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Oh, I thought if it was Western it had to be Mullings they are the big givers out west
no this church is Massive
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:37 PM
*** OMG *** OMG *** OMG ***
Did you hear that One of the 5 major players that is starting the new organization in Tulsa,called an Ultra Liberal UPC Pastor and asked him to be in their inner circle meeting scheduled for first week of Feb in Tulsa. Kinda strange with this pastor being as liberal as anywhere. It's been revealed that This Pastor is trying to get big names and churches that would hurt. It would also give new Org instant missions status because of all that this major church 9one of the largest in UPC!!!) has going on.
Thad, you are slowing down on us. This is a couple weeks old already.
Thad, you are slowing down on us. This is a couple weeks old already.
Uhh?? well 2 weeks ago i was fighting pneumonia.
okay, so tell me what you know - does it match up w/what i stated?
*** OMG *** OMG *** OMG ***
Did you hear that One of the 5 major players that is starting the new organization in Tulsa,called an Ultra Liberal UPC Pastor and asked him to be in their inner circle meeting scheduled for first week of Feb in Tulsa. Kinda strange with this pastor being as liberal as anywhere. It's been revealed that This Pastor is trying to get big names and churches that would hurt. It would also give new Org instant missions status because of all that this major church 9one of the largest in UPC!!!) has going on.
Huh???
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 10:42 PM
*** OMG *** OMG *** OMG ***
Did you hear that One of the 5 major players that is starting the new organization in Tulsa,called an Ultra Liberal UPC Pastor and asked him to be in their inner circle meeting scheduled for first week of Feb in Tulsa. Kinda strange with this pastor being as liberal as anywhere. It's been revealed that This Pastor is trying to get big names and churches that would hurt. It would also give new Org instant missions status because of all that this major church 9one of the largest in UPC!!!) has going on.
That is old news.... Could it be Michigan?
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:43 PM
That is old news.... Could it be Michigan?
and Bingo was his name-o.
That is old news.... Could it be Michigan?
was it still not worth bringing to the table for Discussion?
afterall, i think it's interesting that they would ask a PRO TV and VERY VERY LIBERAL Church to come on board.
how do we make sense of this >???
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:45 PM
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Huh???
took me a minute too. I think the "9" was shifted to make the parenthesis.
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 10:46 PM
was it still not worth bringing to the table for Discussion?
afterall, i think it's interesting that they would ask a PRO TV and VERY VERY LIBERAL Church to come on board.
how do we make sense of this >???
Thad you are the starter of all of this... I would never want to take your job...
But this story will blow a lot of theories about motives and what is going on...
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:47 PM
was it still not worth bringing to the table for Discussion?
afterall, i think it's interesting that they would ask a PRO TV and VERY VERY LIBERAL Church to come on board.
how do we make sense of this >???
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
Uhh?? well 2 weeks ago i was fighting pneumonia.
okay, so tell me what you know - does it match up w/what i stated?
bump for pastor D
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
you have Hell to pay for this post !!! :ursofunny:ursofunny:bliss:ursofunny
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
and how did they get away with advertising on TV all these years ?
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 10:49 PM
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
Some things just make you go hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Some things just make you go hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
you are in Big trouble for this post!!!!!!! I'm telling a certain admin. on you!!!!
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 10:52 PM
you are in Big trouble for this post!!!!!!! I'm telling a certain admin. on you!!!!
thats the first time i have ever gotten in trouble for hmmmmmming
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:53 PM
you have Hell to pay for this post !!! :ursofunny:ursofunny:bliss:ursofunny
just calling it like it is.
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 10:54 PM
just calling it like it is.
do i know you pastor d
PastorD
11-19-2007, 10:55 PM
do i know you pastor d
I sure hope not. It could cost ya.
thats the first time i have ever gotten in trouble for hmmmmmming
that's one of the new standards- going "ummm" shows a spirit of contempt for all that we've stood for !!!!
Pastor G
11-19-2007, 11:04 PM
that's one of the new standards- going "ummm" shows a spirit of contempt for all that we've stood for !!!!
good to know - cause i have always followed regardless
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-20-2007, 07:04 AM
Thad, you are slowing down on us. This is a couple weeks old already.
Uhh?? well 2 weeks ago i was fighting pneumonia.
okay, so tell me what you know - does it match up w/what i stated?
Your being ill is not excuse newshound, now get with it or we will have to start someone else to report the juicy news everyone clamors here to read and lament...
:tease
Some years ago when the AMF was formed, a UPC pastor said to me, "Yeah, they (the AMF) don't think they've had church unless they've beat somebody up." Maybe this liberal pastor is invited so they will have somebody to beat up.
Opening prayer could be:
"We thank God that we are not like others,
like those who are staying with the UPC,
like those who don't act, think, or dress right,
like those with computers, monitors, and televisions,
or even like that liberal pastor over there...."
(paraphrase of Luke 18:9-14)
StillStanding
11-20-2007, 08:06 AM
If the first post on this thread is true, the new organization will fall on it's face.
The rallying cry is anti-TV. Anything other than that shows a motive to dismantle a great organization.
SoCaliUPC
11-20-2007, 10:58 AM
If the first post on this thread is true, the new organization will fall on it's face.
The rallying cry is anti-TV. Anything other than that shows a motive to dismantle a great organization.
That was my first thought when I read this.
*** MORE PROOF! ***
Wilson, Young and Baker went to Uganda together for some missions trip.
There is a video on the rock church website about this. At the end of the video, Wilson states that we need to put aside our petty differences in the US and come together for the cause of missions.
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pentecostisalive
11-20-2007, 11:05 AM
was it still not worth bringing to the table for Discussion?
afterall, i think it's interesting that they would ask a PRO TV and VERY VERY LIBERAL Church to come on board.
how do we make sense of this >???
It doesn't make sense, because it isn't true. That's why. Some things are obvious.
AmazingGrace
11-20-2007, 11:09 AM
*** MORE PROOF! ***
Wilson, Young and Baker went to Uganda together for some missions trip.
There is a video on the rock church website about this. At the end of the video, Wilson states that we need to put aside our petty differences in the US and come together for the cause of missions.
.
Oh, so it is ok to broadcast on video now??? :thebunny
It doesn't make sense, because it isn't true. That's why. Some things are obvious.
how are you so certain about it ??
Oh, so it is ok to broadcast on video now??? :thebunny
Say that again ???? I didn't quite hear ya...... :ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
pentecostisalive
11-20-2007, 11:16 AM
Wilson, Young and Baker went to Uganda together for some missions trip.
There is a video on the rock church website about this. At the end of the video, Wilson states that we need to put aside our petty differences in the US and come together for the cause of missions.
.
You forgot the part where he mentioned that they had to deal with some stuff at home.
AmazingGrace
11-20-2007, 11:17 AM
Say that again ???? I didn't quite hear ya...... :ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Did you say VIDEO??????????????
HOW did they watch that??????
Wilson, Young and Baker went to Uganda together for some missions trip.
There is a video on the rock church website about this. At the end of the video, Wilson states that we need to put aside our petty differences in the US and come together for the cause of missions.
.
You forgot the part where he mentioned that they had to deal with some stuff at home.
??????
Since the entire supposed reason for this new org. to form is to seperate itself from libs in the UPC and what they do I don't think they are inviting this man to try and persuade him to become a member.
Since this megachurch is an old established one with roots in both the UPC and ALJC is it possible that they want this pastor there just as an observer so he can report back what went one without anything being distorted or assumed by mods and libs?
Also possibly as a check and balance to make sure right spirits are kept and they don't cross any lines and move into acrimony.
Since the entire supposed reason for this new org. to form is to seperate itself from libs in the UPC and what they do I don't think they are inviting this man to try and persuade him to become a member.
Since this megachurch is an old established one with roots in both the UPC and ALJC is it possible that they want this pastor there just as an observer so he can report back what went one without anything being distorted or assumed by mods and libs?
Also possibly as a check and balance to make sure right spirits are kept and they don't cross any lines and move into acrimony.
are you serious or TIC? come on
dizzyde
11-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Since the entire supposed reason for this new org. to form is to seperate itself from libs in the UPC and what they do I don't think they are inviting this man to try and persuade him to become a member.
Since this megachurch is an old established one with roots in both the UPC and ALJC is it possible that they want this pastor there just as an observer so he can report back what went one without anything being distorted or assumed by mods and libs?
Also possibly as a check and balance to make sure right spirits are kept and they don't cross any lines and move into acrimony.
If that is the case, it might be a good thing, however, are these men really looking for outside reinforcement?
If they wanted checks and balances, well they are leaving a whole organization of people with differing viewpoints. That is one of the great things about being part of a large organization, you have all sides of the issues represented, it is how you balance each other.
I thought that the reason that these men were leaving was that they couldn't "compromise" their beliefs. Why would they be looking for balance at this point?
If that is the case, it might be a good thing, however, are these men really looking for outside reinforcement?
If they wanted checks and balances, well they are leaving a whole organization of people with differing viewpoints. That is one of the great things about being part of a large organization, you have all sides of the issues represented, it is how you balance each other.
I thought that the reason that these men were leaving was that they couldn't "compromise" their beliefs. Why would they be looking for balance at this point?
This, my friend is the Question that demands an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where are the ultra cons today??????????????????????????????????????
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PastorD
11-20-2007, 03:31 PM
It doesn't make sense, because it isn't true. That's why. Some things are obvious.
Sorry to disappoint, but Thad has his story straight on this one. It is absolutely true.
rgcraig
11-20-2007, 03:32 PM
It doesn't make sense, because it isn't true. That's why. Some things are obvious.
And how do you know that it's not?
Michael Phelps
11-20-2007, 03:54 PM
That is old news.... Could it be Michigan?
Got news for ya Thad, you can't call this church ultra-liberal. Maybe liberal, but not ultra-liberal, and speaking as one who attended there for many years, it's more moderate than anything.
Got news for ya Thad, you can't call this church ultra-liberal. Maybe liberal, but not ultra-liberal, and speaking as one who attended there for many years, it's more moderate than anything.
Thank you!! I was just fixing to ask my son where he gets the "very very liberal" idea from...
PastorD
11-20-2007, 04:08 PM
Got news for ya Thad, you can't call this church ultra-liberal. Maybe liberal, but not ultra-liberal, and speaking as one who attended there for many years, it's more moderate than anything.
I agree with ya MP. It is a wonderful church. However, it agree's with everything those leaving are complaining about, so why would they want them to go to?
The Uganda trip was mentioned in this thread, but there is a reason Bishop Baker was there related to MISSIONS and a man who is leading a great revival there.
From my understanding, the mothership sent men to check it out and help do some teaching...not at ALL related to any new org...
Michael Phelps
11-20-2007, 04:18 PM
I agree with ya MP. It is a wonderful church. However, it agree's with everything those leaving are complaining about, so why would they want them to go to?
Not sure I understand the question........
Not sure I understand the question........
I do, Michael...:bubble
Michael Phelps
11-20-2007, 04:35 PM
I do, Michael...:bubble
'Splain, please?
'Splain, please?
I agree with ya MP. It is a wonderful church. However, it agree's with everything those leaving are complaining about, so why would they want them to go to?
Sure, Ricky Ricardo...PastorD thinks it's a wonderful church, but...in his opinion, it stands for things the brethren leaving the UPCI are complaining about, so why would the brethren want our MI brethren in the new org?!
At least that's what I think he's asking...
Michael Phelps
11-20-2007, 04:40 PM
Sure, Ricky Ricardo...PastorD thinks it's a wonderful church, but...in his opinion, it stands for things the brethren leaving the UPCI are complaining about, so why would the brethren want our MI brethren in the new org?!
At least that's what I think he's asking...
Oh, ok, thanks, Lucy!
Now I get it..........yes, that's correct, the church has never preached against television, and you raise an excellent point, Pastor D........not sure why the new group would want that church, other than for the prestige and financial support?
If that is the case, it might be a good thing, however, are these men really looking for outside reinforcement?
If they wanted checks and balances, well they are leaving a whole organization of people with differing viewpoints. That is one of the great things about being part of a large organization, you have all sides of the issues represented, it is how you balance each other.
I thought that the reason that these men were leaving was that they couldn't "compromise" their beliefs. Why would they be looking for balance at this point?
I didn't mean "checks and balances" in regards to the new org.'s firmly held beliefs. I meant someone outside their group to monitor that they handle things ethicaly, correctly, and in a right spirit. Someone who could speak up and say when they felt a wrong spirit was manifesting itself in any decision making. Someone to help insure rancor was kept out. I have no idea if this is the case. I was just trying to figure out some rationale for ultra cons to have a lib at their meeting!
dizzyde
11-20-2007, 04:47 PM
I didn't mean "checks and balances" in regards to the new org.'s firmly held beliefs. I meant someone outside their group to monitor that they handle things ethicaly, correctly, and in a right spirit. Someone who could speak up and say when they felt a wrong spirit was manifesting itself in any decision making. Someone to help insure rancor was kept out. I have no idea if this is the case. I was just trying to figure out some rationale for ultra cons to have a lib at their meeting!
I know, I was being the DA (not DAN) but if were under the scenario that you are setting up, it would be a wise move.
I didn't mean "checks and balances" in regards to the new org.'s firmly held beliefs. I meant someone outside their group to monitor that they handle things ethicaly, correctly, and in a right spirit. Someone who could speak up and say when they felt a wrong spirit was manifesting itself in any decision making. Someone to help insure rancor was kept out. I have no idea if this is the case. I was just trying to figure out some rationale for ultra cons to have a lib at their meeting!
If we are speaking of the same person, he is far from a lib, CC...I love him to death, but Thaddy thinks everyone not like him is a lib. :bubble
This elder I am referring to may not preach against tv, but that does not a liberal make, IMO...
PastorD
11-20-2007, 05:01 PM
Not sure I understand the question........
It just makes no sense to me that those who are against TV and creating a meeting, movement, alliance, org based on their disagreement with TV would invite and actively pursue a church that advertises on TV and has a church full of TV's.
PastorD
11-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Sure, Ricky Ricardo...PastorD thinks it's a wonderful church, but...in his opinion, it stands for things the brethren leaving the UPCI are complaining about, so why would the brethren want our MI brethren in the new org?!
At least that's what I think he's asking...
Thanks Barb....
Michael Phelps
11-20-2007, 05:03 PM
It just makes no sense to me that those who are against TV and creating a meeting, movement, alliance, org based on their disagreement with TV would invite and actively pursue a church that advertises on TV and has a church full of TV's.
Yeah, I caught it the second time around........I'm a bit slow, but Barb enlightened me.
And, I wouldn't say the church is FULL of TV's.........there's still enough room for a small pulpit, and few folding chairs!:bliss:bliss
PastorD
11-20-2007, 05:04 PM
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
Bump to MP.
Yeah, I caught it the second time around........I'm a bit slow, but Barb enlightened me.
And, I wouldn't say the church is FULL of TV's.........there's still enough room for a small pulpit, and few folding chairs!:bliss:bliss
And a great choir and sweet people and a mighty move of the Holy Ghost...
PastorD
11-20-2007, 05:04 PM
Yeah, I caught it the second time around........I'm a bit slow, but Barb enlightened me.
And, I wouldn't say the church is FULL of TV's.........there's still enough room for a small pulpit, and few folding chairs!:bliss:bliss
haha...:ursofunny
Bump to MP.
My heart still won't let me believe that, Elder...
If we are speaking of the same person, he is far from a lib, CC...I love him to death, but Thaddy thinks everyone not like him is a lib. :bubble
This elder I am referring to may not preach against tv, but that does not a liberal make, IMO...
Hey, he has video screens for magnification and webcasts so he IS a lib!!!!:tease
PastorD
11-20-2007, 05:08 PM
My heart still won't let me believe that, Elder...
please no Elder's. That makes me feel independent.:bubble
Hey, he has video screens for magnification and webcasts so he IS a lib!!!!:tease
Don't pick on a tired old person...as of tomorrow I will have worked 17 straight days...this older than dirt girl is whipped!!
please no Elder's. That makes me feel independent.:bubble
Sorry...it is a sign of respect for me...
StillStanding
11-20-2007, 05:12 PM
please no Elder's. That makes me feel independent.:bubble
:killinme
RevDWW
11-20-2007, 05:26 PM
Sooooo.........Is there a Tulsa revelation or is it a Tulsa revolution?
Bowas
11-20-2007, 05:43 PM
With all the Code-talkers here, and it appears all know who this Pastor is and what Church he pastors, I have not updated my code-breakers manual lately.
Is it Baker?
Never heard of him.
Sorry for my ignorance.
If it's the church in MI, let me check my sources. I have family who goes there.
Got news for ya Thad, you can't call this church ultra-liberal. Maybe liberal, but not ultra-liberal, and speaking as one who attended there for many years, it's more moderate than anything.
compared to the California Cons they are ultra Lib Mike. that's who i was holding them up against. some of them out here preach against cell phones and internet
RevDWW
11-20-2007, 06:20 PM
Maybe it's a trick of those rascally tv loving liberals to send in a spy........:ursofunny Maybe this brother is going in under the guise of support but he's a spy. :ursofunny
Oh, ok, thanks, Lucy!
Now I get it..........yes, that's correct, the church has never preached against television, and you raise an excellent point, Pastor D........not sure why the new group would want that church, other than for the prestige and financial support?
One thing y'all might be overlooking.
Maybe the liberal pastor of that liberal church got saved and threw out his tv.
If so, and if he is bringing forth fruit meet for repentance, he might have a chance with the cons and a place in their new cult er ah organization.
coloradorockies
11-20-2007, 10:55 PM
What is interesting to me is that the invited has been advertising their church on TV for several years. Could it be the "issue" is not the "issue" and the real "issue" is POWER in Tulsa.
Really? Got any factual basis for such a statement or mere speculation? :bubble
PastorD
11-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Really? Got any factual basis for such a statement or mere speculation? :bubble
Preach there often. Sr. Pastor is my good friend. It's the horses mouth.
Preach there often. Sr. Pastor is my good friend. It's the horses mouth.
Preach there often you say?! Hmmmm...how often is often?! The Sr. Pastor or the Sr. Sr. Pastor is your friend...that would date you...
See, I too have family members there and I visit as often as possible...
one day Sister Barb will stop living in the Glory clouds and come on down and join with the earthlings :hanky:hanky:hanky
one day Sister Barb will stop living in the Glory clouds and come on down and join with the earthlings :hanky:hanky:hanky
Meaning...?!
Meaning...?!
nevermind Sister Barb- stay up there as long as you want to :tease
coloradorockies
11-21-2007, 06:05 AM
Preach there often. Sr. Pastor is my good friend. It's the horses mouth.
I can't imagine someone who preaches there often or even once; getting on the internet and talking out about it. Furthermore, I know the horse too but I don't know anything about TV advertizements. Carry on. :bubble
pelathais
11-21-2007, 08:03 AM
I can't imagine someone who preaches there often or even once; getting on the internet and talking out about it. Furthermore, I know the horse too but I don't know anything about TV advertizements. Carry on. :bubble
Maybe I got lost in the shuffle of names, or rather in the shuffle without any names...
But we are "speculating" about the "TV advertisements" of a "non-UPCI" church here, correct?
BTW: Are those mountains in your screen name or a ball club? Just curious. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon11.gif No big deal either way. :)
Pastor G
11-21-2007, 08:13 AM
I can't imagine someone who preaches there often or even once; getting on the internet and talking out about it. Furthermore, I know the horse too but I don't know anything about TV advertizements. Carry on. :bubble
Evidently Pastor D mentioned it because it is not a secret that they have been contacted nor is it a secret that they have advertised on TV...
If somebody advertises on TV and it is a secret, it is not worth the money to advertise... The point of advertising is to get the secret out....
Pastor G
11-21-2007, 08:15 AM
Maybe I got lost in the shuffle of names, or rather in the shuffle without any names...
But we are "speculating" about the "TV advertisements" of a "non-UPCI" church here, correct?
BTW: Are those mountains in your screen name or a ball club? Just curious. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon11.gif No big deal either way. :)
They are UPC..
coloradorockies
11-21-2007, 10:37 AM
I am not in agreement with PastorD nor G. (This is reminding me of the Cat in the Hat). Giving them the benefit of doubt; I find them to be mistaken. I suspect that PastorD is young yet. :bubble
I am not in agreement with PastorD and G. Giving them the benefit of doubt; I find them to be mistaken. I suspect that PastorD is young yet. :bubble
middle age spread :ursofunny
AmazingGrace
11-21-2007, 10:40 AM
I am not in agreement with PastorD and G. Giving them the benefit of doubt; I find them to be mistaken. I suspect that PastorD is young yet. :bubble
And your point is????
You will find there are many you dont agree with around these parts... DEAL WITH IT! If you find that you do agree with everyone on here... then we are all leaving because that means we are all perfect and you know that cant be because only certain ones of us are good nuff to be perfect and heaven bound!! :woohoo:woohoo
coloradorockies
11-21-2007, 11:08 AM
middle age spread :ursofunny
That's too bad. Wisdom and discretion are generally to be found by middle age spread... :bubble
That's too bad. Wisdom and discretion are generally to be found by middle age spread... :bubble
what did he say that was not wise ???
coloradorockies
11-21-2007, 11:26 AM
Discretion is the better part of valor. Nuff said. :bubble
I was wondering about that - I didn't think RB would advertise against the rules. but then again, some have had OTHERS do it, so i know it's been done by Other methods.
it's no secret that the said preachers have done some joint missions efforts.
also, I think the crux of the issue is about those who are leaving UPC over the TV issue and no longer wanting to fellowship w/those who are deemed liberal yet by most conservative measuring sticks, Pontiac would certianly be catagoized as very Liberal. make sense ?
ChicagoPastor
11-21-2007, 11:32 AM
I was wondering about that - I didn't think RB would advertise against the rules. but then again, some have had OTHERS do it, so i know it's been done by Other methods.
it's no secret that the said preachers have done some joint missions efforts.
also, I think the crux of the issue is about those who are leaving UPC over the TV issue and no longer wanting to fellowship w/those who are deemed liberal yet by most conservative measuring sticks, Pontiac would certianly be catagoized as very Liberal. make sense ?
I don't think RB is the Pastor anymore. He's the "Bishop"
half of the church board is ALJC (which DOES allow TV advertising) and the other half is UPC
The Church stays involved in both organizations. I think it originally was a ALJC Church .
Because the Church isn't afiliated I don't think the UPC can do anything about it if they would've wanted to.
I can't imagine someone who preaches there often or even once; getting on the internet and talking out about it. Furthermore, I know the horse too but I don't know anything about TV advertizements. Carry on. :bubble
Same here...my brother, who is a member of that wonderful church, will be here shortly and I will ask him about it.
I was wondering about that - I didn't think RB would advertise against the rules. but then again, some have had OTHERS do it, so i know it's been done by Other methods.
it's no secret that the said preachers have done some joint missions efforts.
also, I think the crux of the issue is about those who are leaving UPC over the TV issue and no longer wanting to fellowship w/those who are deemed liberal yet by most conservative measuring sticks, Pontiac would certianly be catagoized as very Liberal. make sense ?
No...re of anyone's opinion, they are NOT very liberal or even liberal.
I agree with Michael...moderate might be a better term.
I have never heard of RBs church advertising- in fact, i was told from someone that attends there(not on the forum) that they have not advertised on TV.
having said that, we have a group that is splitting off from the UPC and starting a new org. and seperating from the UPC. why fellowship or want to have any joint efforts with the group that you are leaving ???
No...re of anyone's opinion, they are NOT very liberal or even liberal.
I agree with Michael...moderate might be a better term.
that depends where you are geogrpahically located Barb.
I know some CA. Cons who went to IBC conf. and took one look at the saints there and said they'd never step foot in that church again.
I don't think RB is the Pastor anymore. He's the "Bishop"
half of the church board is ALJC (which DOES allow TV advertising) and the other half is UPC
The Church stays involved in both organizations. I think it originally was a ALJC Church .
Because the Church isn't afiliated I don't think the UPC can do anything about it if they would've wanted to.
Bishop RB is more than just "bishop," and the same for Bishop P...
The pastor said that regardless of who may be scheduled to preach for a given service, if the Sr. Bishop walks in and says, "I'm preaching..." everyone steps aside.
So from what I gather, this is not a divided leadership or power struggle...just my view from the front row...
I have never heard of RBs church advertising- in fact, i was told from someone that attends there(not on the forum) that they have not advertised on TV.
having said that, we have a group that is splitting off from the UPC and starting a new org. and seperating from the UPC. why fellowship or want to have any joint efforts with the group that you are leaving ???
My opinion, for what it may be worth to anyone...it is indeed the missions and outreach side of this.
That, and the fact that the elders of the assembly mentioned are tremendous men of God...worthy of anyone's fellowship.
barb,
Even if Pontiac has not advertised on TV, are they okay with it????
are they in support of it ??? will they ever do it in the future ???
If yes to any of those, that would jeperdize fellowship with most cons
barb,
Even if Pontiac has not advertised on TV, are they okay with it????
are they in support of it ??? will they ever do it in the future ???
If yes to any of those, that would jeperdize fellowship with most cons
I can't answer these questions, but I can tell you I do not care.
That is not meant to be flippant, Thad, and my head is not in the clouds...it's just that there is so much there that is right, I don't care if they advertise on tv...and why NOT do it anyway?!
This is getting so old...the ALJC has advertised and had televisions forever, and the church one of my brothers attends in IN, and that is pastored by one of our posters, is as conservative in many areas as they come.
This "tv breeds carnality" idea doesn't hold water with me...
Now I need to run and make two apple pies...:bliss
I can't answer these questions, but I can tell you I do not care.
That is not meant to be flippant, Thad, and my head is not in the clouds...it's just that there is so much there that is right, I don't care if they advertise on tv...and why NOT do it anyway?!
This is getting so old...the ALJC has advertised and had televisions forever, and the church one of my brothers attends in IN, and that is pastored by one of our posters, is as conservative in many areas as they come.
This "tv breeds carnality" idea doesn't hold water with me...
Now I need to run and make two apple pies...:bliss
Ooooh so you ARE PRO TV!!!!! ummmmmmm
ChicagoPastor
11-21-2007, 12:25 PM
Bishop RB is more than just "bishop," and the same for Bishop P...
The pastor said that regardless of who may be scheduled to preach for a given service, if the Sr. Bishop walks in and says, "I'm preaching..." everyone steps aside.
So from what I gather, this is not a divided leadership or power struggle...just my view from the front row...
**************just to clarify*****************
I did not suggest that there is a divided leadership or power struggle.
What I was trying to get across is that you can't label it UPC church....there's still a lot of ALJC influence there. IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT? According to one of the ministers of this church, it's not.
I was NOT undermining Bishop Bakker. I respect the man and know he's the Bishop.
you took my post the wrong way.
**************just to clarify*****************
I did not suggest that there is a divided leadership or power struggle.
What I was trying to get across is that you can't label it UPC church....there's still a lot of ALJC influence there. IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT? According to one of the ministers of this church, it's not.
I was NOT undermining Bishop Bakker. I respect the man and know he's the Bishop.
you took my post the wrong way.
No sir, I did not...I posted in a rushed manner...
I did not mean to say you were undermining Bishop Baker.
I was trying to point out where you said he is not pastor anymore, that it does not matter...they are not divided by titles.
Sorry you misunderstood what I meant...why aren't you reading my mind, CP?! :bubble
Seriously, I have tremendous respect for these men and if I came across harsh, it was not meant to be that way.
So posting rushed and working 17 straight days is not a good thing...back to my pies...
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