View Full Version : OREGON!!! Is there a Shaking Going on????????
I have Heard from Numerous Sources that up to 11 churches are leaving
That an entire section is leaving
that the said youth president of the said section is leaving
that the DS had to call a special meeting about
that a certain pastor that is Spear Heading the New Org. was recently in Oregon recruiting pastors to join their Org. in Tulsa
Let's talk about Oregon - what do you know , what can you verify
Are these ministers in REBELLION???
Wonder what the new motto for the new organization will be...
The HOLIER Gospel to a good part of the whole world???
Wonder what the new motto for the new organization will be...
The HOLIER Gospel to a good part of the whole world???
Good part of the world ?? what do you mean by that ?
hey aren't you friends with the Dugas Clan ??
there's quite a few of them up in Oregon isn't there?
what do you know ???
rgcraig
11-26-2007, 01:46 PM
I'm sure Roxie will deny or confirm this.
Esther
11-26-2007, 01:47 PM
I'm sure Roxie will deny or confirm this.
:bliss
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-26-2007, 01:50 PM
I'm sure Roxie will deny or confirm this.
week before last it was SD.
Before that NC.
Oh the Drama!
week before last it was SD.
Before that NC.
Oh the Drama!
are you one of the ones who are in denial ??? :ursofunny
StillStanding
11-26-2007, 02:05 PM
It seems to me that the only districts having problems are the districts with weak leadership! :eek:
revrandy
11-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Looks like some Leadership Positions are coming soon.....
Good part of the world ?? what do you mean by that ?
hey aren't you friends with the Dugas Clan ??
there's quite a few of them up in Oregon isn't there?
what do you know ???
They concentrate so thoroughly on policing their own churches til I just can't envision them getting too far in the missions department.
It seems to me that the only districts having problems are the districts with weak leadership! :eek:
now that was not right PM.
Ca. has had great leadership for years yet we are having a lot of problems.
any man that can be DS in this state is to be highly commended!
the DS in oregon is a good leader too
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 02:16 PM
I heard over the weekend that section 5 could be gone by the first of the year.
That would make sense since the more conservatives are from that pocket.
dizzyde
11-26-2007, 02:17 PM
I have heard that Oregon is going to be hit big, that much I DO know, Thad!! See, I am good for something! I don't know any real details, but I had heard about them possibly losing an entire section.
Although I am also hearing that about one CA section, the majority of one of the central valley sections may wind up leaving. CA may wind up being hit really hard, I have been hearing some gloom and doom stuff, from some fairly reliable sources.
I have heard that Oregon is going to be hit big, that much I DO know, Thad!! See, I am good for something! I don't know any real details, but I had heard about them possibly losing an entire section.
Although I am also hearing that about one CA section, the majority of one of the central valley sections may wind up leaving. CA may wind up being hit really hard, I have been hearing some gloom and doom stuff, from some fairly reliable sources.
You are just a wealth of information today !! GOOD GIRL!!! :ursofunny
Oregon has always been thought of as being quite conservative in general so who would be surprised really.
I was talking to a well known UPC preacher just over the weekend and he said it's going to be really interesting to see what kind of Organization we have in 2 years. of course that may apply more to the states that are being hit the hardest ?? central CA. is going to be hit pretty hard dizzy but i think most of the larger churches are staying don't you? tulare, merced, modesto, stockton are staying. fresno, bkfd/frost and Sac/Wilson are the big ones that are leaving. there are numerous small ones leaving too that are connected w/VM and NW too of course
I have heard that Oregon is going to be hit big, that much I DO know, Thad!! See, I am good for something! I don't know any real details, but I had heard about them possibly losing an entire section.
Although I am also hearing that about one CA section, the majority of one of the central valley sections may wind up leaving. CA may wind up being hit really hard, I have been hearing some gloom and doom stuff, from some fairly reliable sources.
Good Grief...
Esther
11-26-2007, 02:54 PM
You are just a wealth of information today !! GOOD GIRL!!! :ursofunny
Oregon has always been thought of as being quite conservative in general so who would be surprised really.
I was talking to a well known UPC preacher just over the weekend and he said it's going to be really interesting to see what kind of Organization we have in 2 years. of course that may apply more to the states that are being hit the hardest ?? central CA. is going to be hit pretty hard dizzy but i think most of the larger churches are staying don't you? tulare, merced, modesto, stockton. fresno, bkfd/frost and Sac/Wilson are the big ones leaving. there are numerous small ones leaving too that are connected w/VM and NW too of course
Thad your church is leaving?
Thad your church is leaving?
NO we are not leaving
how about Life tab ?? :bliss
dizzyde
11-26-2007, 03:11 PM
You are just a wealth of information today !! GOOD GIRL!!! :ursofunny
Oregon has always been thought of as being quite conservative in general so who would be surprised really.
I was talking to a well known UPC preacher just over the weekend and he said it's going to be really interesting to see what kind of Organization we have in 2 years. of course that may apply more to the states that are being hit the hardest ?? central CA. is going to be hit pretty hard dizzy but i think most of the larger churches are staying don't you? (tulare, merced, modesto, stockton, these are larger churches that will be staying). fresno, bkfd/frost and Sac/Wilson are the big ones leaving. there are numerous small ones leaving too that are connected w/VM and NW too of course
Thad your church is leaving?
I'm going to help Thad out here, I have edited his post, I'm fairly sure of what he meant to say. Feel free to correct me, Thad.
I'm going to help Thad out here, I have edited his post, I'm fairly sure of what he meant to say. Feel free to correct me, Thad.
oops! thanks for clarifying that ! after i re-read it i can see where others would come to that conclusion- thanks Dizzy
dizzyde
11-26-2007, 03:26 PM
oops! thanks for clarifying that ! after i re-read it i can see where others would come to that conclusion- thanks Dizzy
No prob., I got your back! :jolly
No prob., I got your back! :jolly
THANKS! someone's gotta watch out for me- i'm pretty pitiful sometimes :tease
Esther
11-26-2007, 03:29 PM
NO we are not leaving
how about Life tab ?? :bliss
I sincerely doubt that we would.
I sincerely doubt that we would.
well i heard that LT was going ultra con! is that true esther ????
Esther
11-26-2007, 03:31 PM
well i heard that LT was going ultra con! is that true esther ????
lol I don't think so. :)
Esther
11-26-2007, 03:31 PM
THANKS! someone's gotta watch out for me- i'm pretty pitiful sometimes :tease
Now you know why I asked you that question. ;)
rkentsmith
11-26-2007, 04:42 PM
Rejoice brothers and sisters.....
The ultra cons are leaving by the droves :bliss:bliss:bliss
nwlife
11-26-2007, 04:49 PM
The young lady I know who has family in the ministry of the UPC in Oregon, said only 1 pastor is considering leaving at this time. No I don't know what pastor it was, and I won't say who she is....
Carey is from there.... what do you have to say carey ?
AmazingGrace
11-26-2007, 06:17 PM
Rejoice brothers and sisters.....
The ultra cons are leaving by the droves :bliss:bliss:bliss
And I say this not being rude to Bro Steadfast , Coonskinner or KP as they have all pretty much stated in a decent manner where they stand and I respect them for that... but for the ones with attitudes like that.... GOOD and Farewell! If you do not want to be in its apparently not the place for you and it would just make it worse for the ones who are happy where they are!
I was about ready to annoint you as the healer of the upci. What the upci needs is someone who is good at putting sick animals to sleep.
Rejoice brothers and sisters.....
The ultra cons are leaving by the droves :bliss:bliss:bliss
Monkeyman
11-26-2007, 06:41 PM
And I say this not being rude to Bro Steadfast , Coonskinner or KP as they have all pretty much stated in a decent manner where they stand and I respect them for that... but for the ones with attitudes like that.... GOOD and Farewell! If you do not want to be in its apparently not the place for you and it would just make it worse for the ones who are happy where they are!Steady & Coon ain't going ANYWHERE you hear me?!!!!!!!!
Monkeyman
11-26-2007, 06:42 PM
I was about ready to annoint you as the healer of the upci. What the upci needs is someone who is good at putting sick animals to sleep.What the hooey did that mean???
Steve Epley
11-26-2007, 06:59 PM
Some have already left like in Keizer and McMinnville.
Hoovie
11-26-2007, 07:21 PM
Some have already left like in Keizer and McMinnville.
Never heard of them - but that could be my loss.
Bro. Have I mentioned I like the holly? :)
AmazingGrace
11-26-2007, 07:25 PM
Steady & Coon ain't going ANYWHERE you hear me?!!!!!!!!
I never said that. Its just that those are the ones who have been the most vocal about this next to RKS but those are the ones who have actually been the most polite about it. I NEVER Said any of them were leaving! :) I have been accused many times lately of having a bad attitude and that may be true and if so I have apologized to the offended parties or at least most of them that I am aware of, but the thing that bothers me most is the ones with the oh hahahah we are leaving stick it in your face attitudes!! That hits me in the wrong place and makes everything all of the others that have said they arent leaving bitter etc etc sound like a lie and these are people that until I read posts like this persons, I have come to respect...
Does any of that make sense? LOL
Carpenter
11-26-2007, 07:27 PM
I can say there is only one guy in Colorado leaving the UPC so far...I think, and he really didn't have to take too many steps backward to be outside the circle anyway.
:D
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 07:32 PM
They left a few back along with Grants Pass. Neither supported much financially. At least what was made public in the district monthly.
Some have already left like in Keizer and McMinnville.
Scott Hutchinson
11-26-2007, 07:32 PM
When is the west coast falling into the ocean ?
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:04 PM
I have Heard from Numerous Sources that up to 11 churches are leaving
That an entire section is leaving
that the said youth president of the said section is leaving
that the DS had to call a special meeting about
that a certain pastor that is Spear Heading the New Org. was recently in Oregon recruiting pastors to join their Org. in Tulsa
Let's talk about Oregon - what do you know , what can you verify
Youth Secretary...not President...the Youth President is the DS's son! :)
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:06 PM
now that was not right PM.
Ca. has had great leadership for years yet we are having a lot of problems.
any man that can be DS in this state is to be highly commended!
the DS in oregon is a good leader too
Yes, he is a good man whom I have great respect for.
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Mmmm, can't remember who the Sec is or was. Can you give a hint or PM.
Youth Secretary...not President...the Youth President is the DS's son! :)
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:06 PM
I heard over the weekend that section 5 could be gone by the first of the year.
That would make sense since the more conservatives are from that pocket.
Right...I thought they were already gone...
Steve Epley
11-26-2007, 08:09 PM
I preached the Keizer meeting this year and there were a couple of UPC men there who talked like they were getting out?
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:09 PM
Some have already left like in Keizer and McMinnville.
Many years ago.
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:11 PM
Mmmm, can't remember who the Sec is or was. Can you give a hint or PM.
BIG family in Oregon...think up in the sky at night...:D
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 08:11 PM
You kept that quite unless I just plain missed it.
I preached the Keizer meeting this year and there were a couple of UPC men there who talked like they were getting out?
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Very Gooood. I forgot, the reality is he is the only one that has actually left.
Others to follow in Jan. when dues are up.
BIG family in Oregon...think up in the sky at night...:D
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Very Gooood. I forgot, the reality is he is the only one that has actually left.
Others to follow in Jan. when dues are up.
Oh, ok...I thought they all had left except one.
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:14 PM
I preached the Keizer meeting this year and there were a couple of UPC men there who talked like they were getting out?
Hmm...Hearn right?
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:16 PM
Thad there are others here, maybe not often, but there are some here who have family in Oregon who could probably give you an ear full...if they wanted! LOL
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 08:18 PM
Wasn't just referring to the one family, talking about the whole.
Oh, ok...I thought they all had left except one.
HangingOut
11-26-2007, 08:19 PM
Yeah, but......mmmm nah, better not.
Thad there are others here, maybe not often, but there are some here who have family in Oregon who could probably give you an ear full...if they wanted! LOL
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:21 PM
Wasn't just referring to the one family, talking about the whole.
Actually, I was too! I understand there is one member of this family who is not leaving...he also holds position in the district.
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:21 PM
Yeah, but......mmmm nah, better not.
Yes, I'm sure you're right.
Steve Epley
11-26-2007, 08:25 PM
Hmm...Hearn right?
Yes I preached his meeting.
LaVonne
11-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Yes I preached his meeting.
Ok.
SISTER Murphy
11-26-2007, 10:16 PM
Some have already left like in Keizer and McMinnville.
YEs, they left a few years earlier.
SISTER Murphy
11-26-2007, 10:18 PM
Youth Secretary...not President...the Youth President is the DS's son! :)
You aren't the first person to correct him on this, but he has apparently already forgotten the facts. :bubble
You aren't the first person to correct him on this, but he has apparently already forgotten the facts. :bubble
o okay- sorry about that. I thought it was the sectional president
I knew it wasn't the district YP
Sister Truth Seeker
11-27-2007, 01:10 AM
Never heard of them - but that could be my loss.
Bro. Have I mentioned I like the holly? :)That would be holy holly on brother Epley:heeheehee
LaVonne
11-29-2007, 12:47 PM
I just talked to a good friend of mine who is back in Oregon. When I told her that we would not be coming back to the area but moving elsewhere, her response was "I'm so glad to hear that, I was honestly very worried about you coming back. So many are dying out here."
Wow...that's quite a statement!
Also, it is very sad...it seems as if there's no one who can make a difference out there.
Sister Truth Seeker
11-29-2007, 01:18 PM
I just talked to a good friend of mine who is back in Oregon. When I told her that we would not be coming back to the area but moving elsewhere, her response was "I'm so glad to hear that, I was honestly very worried about you coming back. So many are dying out here."
Wow...that's quite a statement!
Also, it is very sad...it seems as if there's no one who can make a difference out there.There is one who can change it all....
HangingOut
11-29-2007, 01:24 PM
To win someone here and see them come to an expected apostolic lifestyle, standards, etc. It is rare. We have a great couple in our church (2 years)
Great attitude, baptized, Holy Ghost. Dress, hair, makeup...nope, don't see it happeing.
I just talked to a good friend of mine who is back in Oregon. When I told her that we would not be coming back to the area but moving elsewhere, her response was "I'm so glad to hear that, I was honestly very worried about you coming back. So many are dying out here."
Wow...that's quite a statement!
Also, it is very sad...it seems as if there's no one who can make a difference out there.
HangingOut
11-29-2007, 01:26 PM
Clarification, have not given up the items mentioned.
To win someone here and see them come to an expected apostolic lifestyle, standards, etc. It is rare. We have a great couple in our church (2 years)
Great attitude, baptized, Holy Ghost. Dress, hair, makeup...nope, don't see it happeing.
HangingOut
11-29-2007, 01:37 PM
I often wonder if some of the small churches in OR suddenly won a number of folks that stuck and eventually out grew the old guard, would they be kept at bay as far as ever being involved for not coming to the holiness standards even if after outgrowing the existing 20 or 30.
My guess is that won't happen, because most that had any desire to be involved would get discouraged as they have in the past and move on.
Anybody else have an opinion?
LaVonne
11-29-2007, 02:14 PM
I often wonder if some of the small churches in OR suddenly won a number of folks that stuck and eventually out grew the old guard, would they be kept at bay as far as ever being involved for not coming to the holiness standards even if after outgrowing the existing 20 or 30.
My guess is that won't happen, because most that had any desire to be involved would get discouraged as they have in the past and move on.
Anybody else have an opinion?
I would agree with you here! I've seen this happen first hand. Of course they'd be kept at bay for not following dress standards...
LaVonne
11-29-2007, 02:14 PM
To win someone here and see them come to an expected apostolic lifestyle, standards, etc. It is rare. We have a great couple in our church (2 years)
Great attitude, baptized, Holy Ghost. Dress, hair, makeup...nope, don't see it happeing.
You are right!
LaVonne
11-29-2007, 02:15 PM
There is one who can change it all....
Well, I think if men would listen to the Lord, maybe the Lord could work through them to make changes.
Harmony
11-29-2007, 08:05 PM
BIG family in Oregon...think up in the sky at night...:D
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! That was a funny right thar!!!!
Harmony
11-29-2007, 08:12 PM
I wonder, I wonder....hmmmmm what will the new organizations name be?
Sister Truth Seeker
11-29-2007, 09:08 PM
I wonder, I wonder....hmmmmm what will the new organizations name be?How about the un-united pentecoastal chuch
Sister Truth Seeker
11-30-2007, 08:20 AM
To some this my be an answer to prayer, for others its very painful....I personally feel the church has needed an overhaul....come into today and stop living in the past.
While some feel they can't return to Oregon....we have not left, we have had to learn to face some people head on and just let them think what they will.
I know God has me where he wants me, and that is all that matters. I have compassion for the hurting ones out there....to be shunned by people that said they love you....hurts...but I am going to heal in spite of them and I know they will too...
I find it such a weakness of faith to have something like TV destroy the church...how strong could it be to start with!
Blubayou
11-30-2007, 08:24 AM
I agree with you - The issue is not TV- I don't know what it is necessarily, but I think it is my bigger and deeper that TV. By the way, I think Oregon is probably the most beautiful state I have ever visited!!!!!!
LaVonne
11-30-2007, 08:48 AM
I agree with you - The issue is not TV- I don't know what it is necessarily, but I think it is my bigger and deeper that TV. By the way, I think Oregon is probably the most beautiful state I have ever visited!!!!!!
It really is...I miss the beauty of Oregon and my family too!
Sister Truth Seeker
11-30-2007, 08:52 AM
I agree with you - The issue is not TV- I don't know what it is necessarily, but I think it is my bigger and deeper that TV. By the way, I think Oregon is probably the most beautiful state I have ever visited!!!!!!
Oh thank you...not that I had anything to do with it...:heeheehee, but I do love it here....I have lived in several other states(because of hubby's work) and we just are glad we got to come back to home (Oregon) we were both born and raised here and I don't know that I could live anywhere else...we have it all here! I really feel God has a special place in His heart for Oregon!
Sister Truth Seeker
11-30-2007, 08:53 AM
It really is...I miss the beauty of Oregon and my family too!
It is hard to be far away from home....
LaVonne
11-30-2007, 08:55 AM
It is hard to be far away from home....
It is, but I'm learning to cope with it...it has not always been easy as you and Dad well know. I know that you feel to stay and that's good for you...you should not leave unless you feel God wants you too. However, for our family, and because of the call my husband feels he has on his life, we could not stay.
Mercedcameraman
11-30-2007, 08:09 PM
who cares who is leaving the org. All I know is Merced church is having some serious revival
Mercedcameraman
11-30-2007, 08:10 PM
Lets talk Merced church. Its having some serious revival
StMark
11-30-2007, 08:22 PM
who cares who is leaving the org. All I know is Merced church is having some serious revival
We do have some awesome church Priase the LORD! :thumbsup
freeatlast
11-30-2007, 08:22 PM
Lets talk Merced church. Its having some serious revival
I saw some youtube video of ya all. All i saw was whopped up frenzified folks acting disorderly.
What's with that guy on the keyboard hollerin at folks to sit down and mind their own business.....then he starts the pumping that keyboard into a frenzy again.
Is that we are calling serious revival these days? :bliss:bliss:bliss
I saw some youtube video of ya all. All i saw was whopped up frenzified folks acting disorderly.
What's with that guy on the keyboard hollerin at folks to sit down and mind their own business.....then he starts the pumping that keyboard into a frenzy again.
Is that we are calling serious revival these days? :bliss:bliss:bliss
Keep that stiff upper lip and go have your high noon Tea will ya???
SISTER Murphy
11-30-2007, 08:34 PM
I just talked to a good friend of mine who is back in Oregon. When I told her that we would not be coming back to the area but moving elsewhere, her response was "I'm so glad to hear that, I was honestly very worried about you coming back. So many are dying out here."
Wow...that's quite a statement!
Also, it is very sad...it seems as if there's no one who can make a difference out there.
Just wait, friend, soon whoever is singing such a dreary gloom and doom song in your ear will have new tune to sing, one of mighty revival.
SISTER Murphy
11-30-2007, 08:36 PM
I often wonder if some of the small churches in OR suddenly won a number of folks that stuck and eventually out grew the old guard, would they be kept at bay as far as ever being involved for not coming to the holiness standards even if after outgrowing the existing 20 or 30.
My guess is that won't happen, because most that had any desire to be involved would get discouraged as they have in the past and move on.
Anybody else have an opinion?
Yes, I do. As a native Oregonian, and lifelong part of the church in Oregon, I say you are a negative nelly and lack insight. Whereabouts in Oregon are you from, anyway?
freeatlast
11-30-2007, 08:38 PM
Keep that stiff upper lip and go have your high noon Tea will ya???
Touche' Good one young Thadmiester. :bubble
StMark
11-30-2007, 08:41 PM
I just talked to a good friend of mine who is back in Oregon. When I told her that we would not be coming back to the area but moving elsewhere, her response was "I'm so glad to hear that, I was honestly very worried about you coming back. So many are dying out here."
Wow...that's quite a statement!
Also, it is very sad...it seems as if there's no one who can make a difference out there.
Carey, why are they dying out? what do you mean exactly? backsliding? leaving church altogether? what is happening ?
SISTER Murphy
11-30-2007, 09:40 PM
Carey, why are they dying out? what do you mean exactly? backsliding? leaving church altogether? what is happening ?
I know that I am not CareyM, but I can tell you what is going on 'out here'. There are a couple churches with some struggles going on right now, as most every church experiences from time to time, and some person with a seeming lack of spiritual insight is a veritable chicken little, "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" Total nonsense, but, true to form, how quickly you zero in on a negative post, hoping to pick up some more gossip and garbage (stuff that the flesh really feasts on, brother).
StMark
12-01-2007, 01:11 AM
I know that I am not CareyM, but I can tell you what is going on 'out here'. There are a couple churches with some struggles going on right now, as most every church experiences from time to time, and some person with a seeming lack of spiritual insight is a veritable chicken little, "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" Total nonsense, but, true to form, how quickly you zero in on a negative post, hoping to pick up some more gossip and garbage (stuff that the flesh really feasts on, brother).
That is not true.how do you know the intent of my heart?
I have not a clue what is going on up nor have i talked to carey personally.
I know that I am not CareyM, but I can tell you what is going on 'out here'. There are a couple churches with some struggles going on right now, as most every church experiences from time to time, and some person with a seeming lack of spiritual insight is a veritable chicken little, "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!" Total nonsense, but, true to form, how quickly you zero in on a negative post, hoping to pick up some more gossip and garbage (stuff that the flesh really feasts on, brother).
It's all just READ AND RESPOND - READ AND RESPOND around here, Sister Rox.
Nice to stay informed and lots of us enjoy cussin' and discussin'!
WHOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
:bliss:bliss:bliss:bliss:bliss:bliss:bliss
St.Mark!
You handsome devil! You've done gone and achieved Sainthood!
Congrats!
D
LaVonne
12-01-2007, 07:39 AM
Just wait, friend, soon whoever is singing such a dreary gloom and doom song in your ear will have new tune to sing, one of mighty revival.
I truly hope so!
LaVonne
12-01-2007, 07:46 AM
Yes, I do. As a native Oregonian, and lifelong part of the church in Oregon, I say you are a negative nelly and lack insight. Whereabouts in Oregon are you from, anyway?
I can assure you this person does not lack insight!
LaVonne
12-01-2007, 07:51 AM
Carey, why are they dying out? what do you mean exactly? backsliding? leaving church altogether? what is happening ?
You know, I didn't ask for details and none were given. I think people are leaving church altogether, but maybe it's isolated to certain areas. The Metro area, last I heard was doing pretty well.
I have a strong interest in Oregon because I have family there...I wish there were a decent church where my Mom lives because she really needs it.
Aside from all of this, the passing of Resolution 4 has caused a HUGE uproar in Oregon, regardless of what some might say.
Sister Truth Seeker
12-01-2007, 09:03 AM
You know, I didn't ask for details and none were given. I think people are leaving church altogether, but maybe it's isolated to certain areas. The Metro area, last I heard was doing pretty well.
I have a strong interest in Oregon because I have family there...I wish there were a decent church where my Mom lives because she really needs it.
Aside from all of this, the passing of Resolution 4 has caused a HUGE uproar in Oregon, regardless of what some might say.
One whole section has pulled out and what is interesting is the pastors are not admitting it...the church is self distructing and I am not surprised, (truth prevails always in the end) as to revival I have been hearing that for over 10 years and from what I have personally seen its just the oppisite.
nwlife
12-01-2007, 09:10 AM
If they did pull out, they must not have actually done it yet or just plan to let the dues run out, as the lady I know in oregon whose father is a pastor, said no one has pulled yet. I would be surprized if any of the people I know there do pull out.
LaVonne
12-01-2007, 09:14 AM
If they did pull out, they must not have actually done it yet or just plan to let the dues run out, as the lady I know in oregon whose father is a pastor, said no one has pulled yet. I would be surprized if any of the people I know there do pull out.
From what I understand, a sectional presbyter did pull out and had to resign his dist. position. This also happened with the youth secretary, although I do not believe he is a pastor. As for the others, maybe they are just waiting to let their dues lapse as you have already stated.
LaVonne
12-01-2007, 09:15 AM
One whole section has pulled out and what is interesting is the pastors are not admitting it...the church is self distructing and I am not surprised, (truth prevails always in the end) as to revival I have been hearing that for over 10 years and from what I have personally seen its just the oppisite.
Well, it doesn't look well for the Organization and that's probably why they are not saying anything. I have sen waves of revival come through, but unfortunatley, so many end up leaving in the end result.
SISTER Murphy
12-01-2007, 11:39 PM
That is not true.how do you know the intent of my heart?
I have not a clue what is going on up nor have i talked to carey personally.
No, I don't know the intent of your heart. However, noting your tendency to look for and ask for all the dirt available about any given subject or individual is a noteworthy observation, brother
SISTER Murphy
12-01-2007, 11:45 PM
I truly hope so!
I am positive of what I say, sister. God is doing some amazing things around here, even in the midst of the stirring and shaking caused by general conference
SISTER Murphy
12-01-2007, 11:46 PM
I can assure you this person does not lack insight!
Then let me rephrase my comment. Such an individual lacks spiritual insight.
SISTER Murphy
12-01-2007, 11:49 PM
One whole section has pulled out and what is interesting is the pastors are not admitting it...the church is self distructing and I am not surprised, (truth prevails always in the end) as to revival I have been hearing that for over 10 years and from what I have personally seen its just the oppisite.
That is NOT TRUE! Three churches in one section have pulled out, leaving the other two. And, there is one pastor in a different section who has stated he will not renew his license in January. That is ALL that has happened thus far, concerning pastors and churches.
As to revival, yes it is happening, because revival is the restoring of those things that once were lost. You don't understand the devastation that scarred this region a few decades ago, and thus you don't realize the things are ARE being restored to churches in this state.
SISTER Murphy
12-01-2007, 11:58 PM
If they did pull out, they must not have actually done it yet or just plan to let the dues run out, as the lady I know in oregon whose father is a pastor, said no one has pulled yet. I would be surprized if any of the people I know there do pull out.
This is correct. Those three churches will be leaving, but have not yet. The pastors of those churches, as of yesterday, were still licensed with the UPCI. More of the fall out will not be seen until after the first of the year.
SISTER Murphy
12-02-2007, 12:00 AM
From what I understand, a sectional presbyter did pull out and had to resign his dist. position. This also happened with the youth secretary, although I do not believe he is a pastor. As for the others, maybe they are just waiting to let their dues lapse as you have already stated.
Here's the right order of events: that particular presbyter, and the district home missions director, and the district sunday school director, gave their resignations from their district positions. Then, they began the process to unaffiliate their churches. I suspect that they, like most, will now just let their licenses expire.
Sister Truth Seeker
12-02-2007, 12:43 AM
The thing I think is interesting...is that from what I have been told the Church's leaving are VERY conservative, and if that is true then they probably were not happy anyway...the whole thing is really silly to leave over such a thing in the first place...and as I stated before I keep hearing about revival in the church...but have not seen it yet! I don't really think its going to happen...the UPC is not the only organization that is having some serious problems and I think the main reason is many are tired or 'organized" churches that are run more like companys...there is a lot of emotion but is there really a move of God? I see revival in the spirit, among the Christian friends I have, but it has nothing to do with church membership, it has more to do with just pure worship....which that I have seen a lot of! I have been in the midst of it and God has touched me so profoundly...:bliss
LaVonne
12-03-2007, 08:37 AM
Here's the right order of events: that particular presbyter, and the district home missions director, and the district sunday school director, gave their resignations from their district positions. Then, they began the process to unaffiliate their churches. I suspect that they, like most, will now just let their licenses expire.
You know Sis. Murphy, there is so much that goes on behind the scenes...you may not be aware of all of it just because you live in Oregon. None of us probably really know what all is happening.
LaVonne
12-03-2007, 08:38 AM
Then let me rephrase my comment. Such an individual lacks spiritual insight.
I disagree with this comment.
We all have our own opinions and just because someone's opinion is different than yours does not make them wrong nor does it mean they lack spiritual insight.
StMark
12-03-2007, 09:29 AM
St.Mark!
You handsome devil! You've done gone and achieved Sainthood!
Congrats!
D
It gets pretty tuff being the Devil and a Saint at the same time! :ursofunny
StMark
12-03-2007, 09:30 AM
LOVE YOU TOO SISTER ROXOXOXOXY!!! :tease
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LaVonne
12-03-2007, 09:33 AM
LOVE YOU TOO SISTER ROXOXOXOXY!!! :tease
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:heeheehee
Isn't allowing your license fees/dues to lapse a little disingenuous?
Isn't it a signal that they fear their new POUT-FEST organization may fail?
So if it does fail, they will be able to crawl back to the UPCI to be reinstated without a stain on their characters.
OR perhaps they are using the time it takes for the license to lapse trying to take care of business i.e. disaffiliating the church from the UPCI in order to prevent the UPC from taking over the church.
Maybe the UPCI should send out pastors to the cities where these guys are and plant UPC churches so the saints who want to stick with the UPC will have that option readily available.
What do these guys think they are going to accomplish? They are starting a new organization based on resentment, fear and anger. Doesn't sound like a stable foundation to build upon...
LaVonne
12-03-2007, 09:38 AM
Isn't allowing your license fees/dues to lapse a little disingenuous?
Isn't a signal that they fear their new POUT-FEST organization may fail?
So if it does fail, they will be able to crawl back to the UPCI to be reinstated without a stain on their characters.
OR perhaps they are using the time it takes for the license to lapse trying to take care of business i.e. disaffiliating the church from the UPCI in order to prevent the UPC from taking over the church.
Maybe the UPCI should send out pastors to the cities where these guys are and plant UPC churches so the saints who want to stick with the UPC will have that option readily available.
What do these guys think they are going to accomplish? They are starting a new organization based on resentment, fear and anger. Doesn't sound like a stable foundation to build upon...
Excellent thoughts and ideas Dora. Maybe you should send a letter to the DS!
Excellent thoughts and ideas Dora. Maybe you should send a letter to the DS!
thank you, CM!:bouquet
Although I have a funny feeling they'd throw my letter right in the garbage incinerator!
:bubble
LaVonne
12-03-2007, 10:31 AM
thank you, CM!:bouquet
Although I have a funny feeling they'd throw my letter right in the garbage incinerator!
:bubble
Yeah...they probably would not appreciate the input! :D
SISTER Murphy
12-03-2007, 11:19 PM
You know Sis. Murphy, there is so much that goes on behind the scenes...you may not be aware of all of it just because you live in Oregon. None of us probably really know what all is happening.
You know, I do know a lot more than I would ever put out on an internet forum. That is why I am so easily irritated by what I read about my own district, when I know for certain it ain't so.
bishoph
12-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Isn't allowing your license fees/dues to lapse a little disingenuous?
Isn't it a signal that they fear their new POUT-FEST organization may fail?
So if it does fail, they will be able to crawl back to the UPCI to be reinstated without a stain on their characters.
OR perhaps they are using the time it takes for the license to lapse trying to take care of business i.e. disaffiliating the church from the UPCI in order to prevent the UPC from taking over the church.
Maybe the UPCI should send out pastors to the cities where these guys are and plant UPC churches so the saints who want to stick with the UPC will have that option readily available.
What do these guys think they are going to accomplish? They are starting a new organization based on resentment, fear and anger. Doesn't sound like a stable foundation to build upon...
These men are not starting an organization based on resentment, fear, and anger! I am humored at the baseless accusations that are flying around this and other forums as to the "reasons" that these men have decided to go their separate ways and start something new.
If you were to actually talk with these men (and I have) (and they are very accessible) you would find nothing could be further from the truth. I can assure you that the same spirit that VM used in his letter, is the same spirit that you will find exemplified by the group as a whole. (Again there may be some nut jobs who are over the edge, as in any group, but that is not indicative of the "sponsors" of the Tulsa meeting.) VM has said in his letter, and I have heard the same sentiments from the others, that they will not be party to an anti-UPCI attitude. When you listen to what they have to say (not hearsay from second and third parties) you will find that they are visionaries who have no time to UPCI-bash. They want to be about the business of winning souls and having revival. Just because they have chosen to do this separate from the UPCI, does not mean that they are angry, fearful, and vindictive men.
pelathais
12-04-2007, 02:13 AM
Isn't allowing your license fees/dues to lapse a little disingenuous?
Isn't it a signal that they fear their new POUT-FEST organization may fail?
So if it does fail, they will be able to crawl back to the UPCI to be reinstated without a stain on their characters.
OR perhaps they are using the time it takes for the license to lapse trying to take care of business i.e. disaffiliating the church from the UPCI in order to prevent the UPC from taking over the church.
Maybe the UPCI should send out pastors to the cities where these guys are and plant UPC churches so the saints who want to stick with the UPC will have that option readily available.
What do these guys think they are going to accomplish? They are starting a new organization based on resentment, fear and anger. Doesn't sound like a stable foundation to build upon...
I think many of them are projecting their own motives and behavioral tendencies upon the UPC fellowship in general. They know how they would handle the situation if they held the reigns to a few hundred of their brethren's reputation.
My statements are based on first-hand experience having lived in the CA District for seven years, attending district events, listening to their sermons, traveling throughout the CA and OR districts, observing the influence of these preachers on their peers, observing the rancor between these men and their fellow ministers in their districts. It was sad and disturbing to see how these guys got in their little huddles and hurled insults and accusations. I'm sure they feel completely justified for their actions because every man sees himself as righteous in his own eyes.
We're not worthy...
LaVonne
12-05-2007, 04:52 PM
You know, I do know a lot more than I would ever put out on an internet forum. That is why I am so easily irritated by what I read about my own district, when I know for certain it ain't so.
I noticed...
Also, you cannot possibly know everything that goes on in your district and neither can I...does the DS call you and tell you everything that goes on?
salvadorifam
02-04-2008, 04:46 PM
I live in the state of oregon and attend one of the district board members church, there is some huge changes happening in oregon
LaVonne
02-04-2008, 06:03 PM
I live in the state of oregon and attend one of the district board members church, there is some huge changes happening in oregon
Good or bad changes?
HeavenlyOne
02-04-2008, 06:11 PM
Good or bad changes?
If it's bad, ya still going back home?
salvadorifam
02-04-2008, 06:51 PM
the oregon district has seen some of its larger churches leave, good solid churches, not sure if all of them joined with WPF, but I know a few have. I think that it has caused issues among pastors, friendships to be destroyed. I think the number of churches is sitting at 11 and still counting.
The leadership in Oregon District is great. People leaving has nothing to do with leadership in Oregon, the UPC has spoken about their decision on TV and Pastors are having to make tough decisions for their churches. We need to pray for the UPCI, WPF, and all the independent apostolic churches and their pastors. They need our support, not bashing them. Let them make the decisions that I believe that they have spent time with God about. God is coming for a CHURCH (HIS CHURCH) not an organization. THere is only 2 sets of people that I feel are being hurt by this whole thing, that is the missionaries and the souls that have not yet heard the truth... If we keep focusing on people pulling out of the UPC, whos doing this and whos doing that, we are allowing souls to go to hell.. Get in a full gospel apostolic church, get behind your church and pastor 100% and not look back, lets reach for the souls, whether its in a UPC, WPF, or any other oneness church... LEts have REVIVAL!!! WE need REVIVAL from GOD>... I need REVIVAL!!!
embonpoint
02-04-2008, 07:16 PM
the oregon district has seen some of its larger churches leave, good solid churches, not sure if all of them joined with WPF, but I know a few have. I think that it has caused issues among pastors, friendships to be destroyed. I think the number of churches is sitting at 11 and still counting.
The leadership in Oregon District is great. People leaving has nothing to do with leadership in Oregon, the UPC has spoken about their decision on TV and Pastors are having to make tough decisions for their churches. We need to pray for the UPCI, WPF, and all the independent apostolic churches and their pastors. They need our support, not bashing them. Let them make the decisions that I believe that they have spent time with God about. God is coming for a CHURCH (HIS CHURCH) not an organization. THere is only 2 sets of people that I feel are being hurt by this whole thing, that is the missionaries and the souls that have not yet heard the truth... If we keep focusing on people pulling out of the UPC, whos doing this and whos doing that, we are allowing souls to go to hell.. Get in a full gospel apostolic church, get behind your church and pastor 100% and not look back, lets reach for the souls, whether its in a UPC, WPF, or any other oneness church... LEts have REVIVAL!!! WE need REVIVAL from GOD>... I need REVIVAL!!!
You are right on target.:thumbsup
LaVonne
02-05-2008, 09:07 AM
If it's bad, ya still going back home?
Yes, we are going back regardless of UPC changes.
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