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Aquila 08-05-2008 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 557754)
You'll find that most Christian women would carry a child to term even if it might mean their life.
True. And I thank God for that. But that's a choice Christian women should be permitted to make individually. It's not fitting for the "government" to determine what should be done in what could be the most serious health condition a woman could have. While I would be absolutely supportive if my wife decided not to abort even if her life was in danger...that's her decision to make...not the government's.

Rico 08-05-2008 04:50 PM
Re: Abortion, Where Do You Stand?
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 557791)
I think the mother and father should have absolute authority over their unborn child. As a Christian, I believe that abortion is only permissible (still a tragedy) when a woman's health and life may be inf danger.

In pregnancy you have two lives intertwined in a way that is unlike any other situation in nature. There may be situations where a decision to spare one or possibly loose both is in order. Therefore it is necessary to establish who's "rights" or will supersedes the other's. I think that the will and right of the mother should prevail. I trust the majority of women to choose wisely, and for the most part they do.
What if a man and woman can not agree? What happens then?

RevDWW 08-05-2008 04:53 PM
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I am 100% sure that I am glad my mother did not use it in my case!

If I wouldn't want it used in my case how can I approve of it for another?

Aquila 08-05-2008 05:00 PM
Re: Abortion, Where Do You Stand?
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 557771)
That maternal instinct is pretty strong in most women, whether Christian or not. I can not imagine how hard it must be for some of these women to override that instinct and get an abortion. It has to be one of the most gut wrenching decisions a woman can make.
Bro....I've had women weep while getting this off their chests. It's not a decision they make flippantly....and they live with the guilt. Sadly most faced terrible circumstances wherein a little social compassion could have gone a long way. We have to minister to the needs women have and the issues they face when they are confronted with unplanned or crisis pregnancies. We talk about banning abortion like it's the panacea of resolutions. But it's not. We've voted Pro-Life for almost three decades and nothing significant has been done under Republican leadership....even when they held a majority in Congress, the White House, and 7 out of 9 appointed justices. What will it take...a one party dictatorship? They aren't going to address this. They're lying to us to manipulate our convictions to get us to vote for them. It's deception.

What can churches do? I think that social compassion is key. For example, I think churches should focus on providing day care free of charge for unmarried students who choose to have their babies.

But of course, that would cost time and money. It's so much more convenient to vote Republican and convince ourselves we've done our job when it comes to protecting the unborn.

Being pro-life needs to be about ACTION not politics.

Hoovie 08-05-2008 05:10 PM
Re: Abortion, Where Do You Stand?
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 557791)
I think the mother and father should have absolute authority over their unborn child. As a Christian, I believe that abortion is only permissible (still a tragedy) when a woman's health and life may be inf danger.

In pregnancy you have two lives intertwined in a way that is unlike any other situation in nature. There may be situations where a decision to spare one or possibly loose both is in order. Therefore it is necessary to establish who's "rights" or will supersedes the other's. I think that the will and right of the mother should prevail. I trust the majority of women to choose wisely, and for the most part they do.
...or it may not be necessary... there are many MDs who believe such a choice never has to be made. IF, in fact, it does have to be made (and I only speak for myself) I would eagerly die - if in so doing I would save my baby. My life is at least half spent, and my child has everything yet to experience.

Aquila 08-05-2008 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 557831)
...or it may not be necessary... there are many MDs who believe such a choice never has to be made. IF, in fact, it does have to be made (and I only speak for myself) I would eagerly die - if in so doing I would save my baby. My life is at least half spent, and my child has everything yet to experience.
In most occasions like this the choice is between loosing both or one.

I know a woman who had a cancerous tumor in her uterus while she was pregnant. The doctors told her that there was a slim chance her baby would develop normally but be born prematurely. They said the most likely outcome would be that the growth would continue to grow and take nutrients from her child causing it to be severely deformed and mentally handicapped...if it survived...and if the cancer at that point had spread and she would risk loosing her life. They advised that she abort the pregnancy and allow them to treat the cancer. But it was entirely her choice.

While I think it's a tragedy, that's a choice that individual women have to make.

In the situation above, our sister was blessed. She miscarried and they were able to treat the cancer.

crakjak 08-05-2008 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 556572)
Crakjak,

Brother, you are your father's son! Not too long before our
father crossed over, he went to Dallas to stand in a large Rally in a
silent protest against abortion. It was a cold damp Friday and although
he wasn't feeling well, he did it anyway. Your words echoed from the
past! He came back and said "I want them to know that "I'M AGIN
IT"!

Yep,.Bro. Crakjak, you're your father's son!

Blessings,

Falla39
And proudly so!! I want the same testimony, "He lived what he believed to be true."

OP_Carl 08-05-2008 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 557672)
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No Democrat or Pro-Choice person has ever forced a woman to abort. They have simply placed that choice in the hands of individuals. The women who choose abortion as birth control are the murderers. Yet for some reason Republicans have channeled this anger toward Democrats. They're playing politics with this issue....it's just politics. Republicans don't want abortion outlawed or the issue addressed....because the day it is they loose a wedge issue with which they can manipulate Christians. Then we'll really look at issues like health care, diplomacy, and the economy.

And lastly, most Republicans support free trade with China. China forces women to abort. That's like advocating free trade with Nazi Germany. Why all the anger at Democrats (who have never forced an abortion) but support for Republicans who proudly support strengthening trade with a nation that does? Hypocrisy. It's about that almight dollar. They don't care how many babies are killed in China as long as they can ensure cheap and steady manufacturing in their mad dash to boost corporate profit margins.

Most people don't even have a clue. The Democrats have consistantly tried to pass elements of an initiative aimed at reducing America's abortion rate by 95% in 10 years (without the need to even ban abortion)....but the Republicans have stood in the way every session.
You are right about Republican inaction, but you are wrong to think that Democrat policy is pro-family. When they promote the PC agenda, radical feminism, and the homosexual agenda, and that is what the Democrat leadership does, they are promoting things that are based on patently discredited Freudian psychology, designed to destroy the traditional family, to promote Marxist agendas. Abortion or no abortion, so long as they can train your kids up in moral relativism, group identity and privilege, and peer censorship, they don't really care what you think.

Aquila 08-05-2008 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 557966)
You are right about Republican inaction, but you are wrong to think that Democrat policy is pro-family. When they promote the PC agenda, radical feminism, and the homosexual agenda, and that is what the Democrat leadership does, they are promoting things that are based on patently discredited Freudian psychology, designed to destroy the traditional family, to promote Marxist agendas. Abortion or no abortion, so long as they can train your kids up in moral relativism, group identity and privilege, and peer censorship, they don't really care what you think.
Bro.....a lot of that is spin. But for the record...you didn't name anything that Republicans don't support.

Falla39 08-05-2008 08:13 PM
Re: Abortion, Where Do You Stand?
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 557771)
That maternal instinct is pretty strong in most women, whether Christian or not. I can not imagine how hard it must be for some of these women to override that instinct and get an abortion. It has to be one of the most gut wrenching decisions a woman can make.
Bro. Rico,

I am addressing primarily that strong maternal instinct you mentioned in
most women, whether Christian or not.

Former Dallas Cowboy Coach, the late Tom Landry, had two daughters,
Kitty, who is married to my first cousin, former University of Texas quarter-
back, Eddie Phillips. The youngest daughter, Lisa, had become pregnant
after 8 yrs. They were thrilled at the prospect of becoming parents for the
first time. Then it was discovered she had cancer. Because she did not
want to harm the child she was carrying within her body, she refused
treatment of the cancer to the dismay of her doctors who knew it would
shorten her life. She could not be swayed. Here is a little of her story from
a website. I believe it is written by someone on the staff of Baylor Medical
Center:

I certainly enjoyed our friendship, and little did I know that Tom and his family would need the service of our physicians and medical center. The first need was for his daughter Lisa. After waiting for 8 years to become pregnant, she finally received the good news. Shortly thereafter, however, she was diagnosed with cancer and came to Baylor for her care. Lisa rejected treatment for herself in order to give the baby a chance to be born. She felt this was a gift from God, and she was determined to honor that gift. The baby was born healthy. However, within 10 days Lisa needed a liver transplant to prolong her life. The transplant resulted in Lisa's having 4 additional years to help raise her young daughter. Lisa was a wonderful young woman who exhibited the same strong faith of her father. I would visit her often to try to encourage her, and I would leave her room the encouraged one. The strength of Tom and the rest of the family was truly remarkable. Today, in Lisa's honor, there is a foundation to help create donor awareness among grade-school children

I remember Mom and I praying for Lisa because we admired her for wanting
to protect the unborn child she loved so much. If I remember correctly, the
subject of terminating the pregnancy so her treatments could begin came
up, but Lisa would have none of it.

Blessings,

Falla39


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