Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 974744)

Im just presenting what might be a man's position, a straight man might not want to shower with a gay man knowing he was gay. If we allowed that why not ask the ladies how they feel if heterosexual men showed with them?

My point is and actually this is what I have hear the military brass say, it should be up to the men. How do they feel about gays in the military? How do they feel about showering with them?

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 974911)

You're not really making sense here, Sam.

Are you referring to transgender adults and the issue of which restroom they should choose? But calling it "bigoted" is a little dramatic.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 974913)

I'm open to correction on this, but....

....seems to me that it can be pretty difficult, and as a result, unusual, for a person of military combat age (usually late teens, early 20's) are much more unlikely to have "Come out". Most that I know have wrestled through it for a number of years before they're able to get to the place they're comfortable with revealing their orientation.

Point being, isn't it a bit unusual for an 18-year-old to sign up with the military, announcing, "Hi there, I'm gay"? Am I wrong about this?

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 974727)

I'm not sure about all the reasoning behind "don't ask", but I think "don't tell" is a great policy--for the protection of homosexual men. Even our wonderful military is home to some certifiable idiots. I'm sure if those dolts found out they'd been bunking & showering with a gay man for the last few years, they'd be angry enough to do something stupid about it.

If the gays were suddenly allowed (or forced) out of the closet, I predict there would be dire consequences for at least a few.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 974732)

I asked my retired military dad once about gays in the military, he stated something like military has always discriminated against certain people such as handicaps, flat feet, low IQ, etc.....he made the point that gays are handicaped in their minds so it should disqualify them. Good point, IMO.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 974920)

I'm sorry, but that's pretty ridiculous. In fact, the most outrageous thing on this thread so far.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 974919)

I don't buy the whole "for the protection of homosexual men." They can decide to ask or tell at their own risk as it is. Now, they are booted out of the army. So I don't buy that as an argument, and it seems rather disingenuous to suggest that it's all for their sake.

Abraham Lincoln and forward also had to deal with cultural issues like this when many refused to fight alongside a black man.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith (Post 974922)

Coadie, I'll ask one more time. Fish or cut bait. Poop or get off the pot. Do you think I'm gay? Either answer or go post your idiotic dribble on CARM or some preacher forum or something.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 974924)

:toofunny
Coadie, you gonna take that from him?