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well, you be the judge then; i am not interested.

1 John 4:12 . . . If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

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The word tells us to judge those that claim to be in the church BY HIS WORD, not our opinions.

1Co 5:12-13 KJV For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? (13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Folks, notice how some people WILL NOT, simply WILL NOT, deal with scripture that says we must believe in his shed blood for remission of sins in order to be saved. They cannot distinguish repeating what the word says about those who reject his shed blood from being an unrighteous self-exalting judge. These guys claim if we repeat what the bible said, we are judges, while we're only repeating what the actual judge said. We're going to be judged by the books. And that's all people who repeat what the bible says are doing-- repeating what the bible already judged. We're just the microphone the judge uses to say what He already said in his word.

Luk 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Heb 9:22 KJV And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

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i notice you never repeat Christ though--you only repeat Paul. Don't kid yourself that you don't repeat what resonates with your heart.

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I repeat Christ in places you refuse to acknowledge is all.

Like here, several times(!!):

Joh 3:14-18 KJV And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You are one of those guys who dislikes Paul's writings and thinks they're incorrect. Please confirm one way or another. (He won't)

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After all, drone-bombing is a "Christian" campaign, against Muslims. You don't think maybe it's a little bit hypocritical to be saying that Islam is a threat, just because you heard it on the news, while you know from other sources--because it is rarely on the news, except in some sanitized version--that you are drone-bombing civilian weddings? Some figures put civilian casualties from drones as high as 90%. But the guy doing it is a Nobel Peace Prize winner, so it's ok?

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A bloodless pathway to heaven:

Surah 4:157, Women...

"And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure."

Meanwhile:

Heb 9:22 KJV And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

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I think Paul is great, as his writings are the basis for religious Christianity, thereby revealing peoples' hearts. I have no desire, whatsoever, to sway you from your religion, if that works for you. God does not coerce man into faith--that is religion. If you feel comfortable with putting conditions upon

1 John 4:12 . . . If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

when the Apostles did not, then my prayer is for Paul to save you. If God is love, but everyone who does not verbally agree with your understanding of Acts 2:38 is lost--and hardly just Muslims, but also most Christians--then at least you demonstrate that "us 4 and no more" is rightfully earned, and applied.

i don't think Paul is incorrect; i think you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

and if you are trying to be inclusive, this acknowledgement may be found in the Qur'an. If you do not wish to be inclusive, but seek to be exclusive, and imagining yourself to somehow be superior, Holy Writ to support that may be found also. Which will you quote? And that is just dogma--what about an individual Muslim (or Baptist :lol) who just has cultivated a heart acceptable to God, regardless? Stop kidding yourselves, or you might find yourselves in hell.

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I try to dialogue with you and get a common footing so we can discuss. You refuse. I ask you what remits sins in YOUR religion, you do not answer. I ask what gives you righteousness in YOUR religion, you do not answer. You say faith without works is dead. I ask you to delineate your faith in YOUR religion and specify exactly what that faith is directed toward, and you say nothing.

I relay scriptures for you that lay out the need for trust and faith in the shed blood of Jesus, i.e., HIS work on the cross for our righteousness, and explain what I believe that says, and as you to show me where my view is wrong, since you repeatedly say MY religion is wrong, and you do not say anything about them.

You ask me to lay out verses to show my view. I do so. And repeatedly ask you to share your thoughts, and you refuse to comply.

You call it MY religion, when I repeatedly say I am getting what I believe from the bible with no preconceived notion. I even tossed beliefs after reading the bible and studying it for myself, and you call it MY religion.

You say the apostles put no conditions on loving one another, and I wholeheartedly agree. Every time you speak of the goal to love God and people, I wholeheartedly agree. And you keep saying I put conditions on that. You sir are a liar. There are no conditions on anything about loving others.

Over and over again I stated that we ought to love everyone equally. But what I have been homing in on is the starting point of that faith and of the journey toward that goal of loving everyone. And I showed what both Jesus and the Apostles stated about that starting point. And that is what you deny.

But what you confuse in all of this is when I say only those who trust in the shed blood of Jesus for the remission of their sins are saved, you have a worldly concept of love, and you think I tout hate. Your concept of love is like the world's when they say that if we call homosexuality a sin, then we hate and fear homosexuals. Meanwhile I would show as much kindness and love toward a homosexual as I would anyone else should I meet one and converse with them. Your version of the same worldly spirit is that if we say moslems have to rely on the shed blood of Jesus in His sacrificial death AS THEM, to pay their penalty for sin, for the remission of their sins, or else they're lost, means we hate moslems and we put conditions on love. How is that hating them? In this worldly mush of nonsense that lies about christians and the bible, that worldly form of love is acceptance of sin. It is NOT the love where we actually have concern for them and treat them kindly and lovingly like we do anyone else. I am not talking about the gun-toting abortionist killers or the gay-bashers. I am talking about true believers who would help any sinner we could help. But LOVE in the world's mind is accepting them as NOT SINFUL.

That's what the gay agenda hates. The accusation that their sin is sin. Dos that mean we hate them? Of course not. By the same token your view is that if we say people are lost because they reject the truth that Christ's death is the only means of remission of sins and the gift of righteousness we are not loving them.

It does not matter who I quote in the Bible, you accuse me of twisting the bible in those passages. Meanwhile I ask you to show me why my view twists those verses by explaining where I went off in them and what in them suggests otherwise, you say nothing. I mean, I actually ask you to show me and help me if I am wrong, and you say NOTHING about those verses and how they should be understood.

Meanwhile the same JOHN who wrote your verse that allegedly means Moslems are saved also said this:

1Jn 2:22 KJV Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:23 KJV Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Meanwhile the Muslim faith DENIES God has a Son.

On the wall of the DOME OF THE ROCK, from the Koran, we read these words in Arabic:

O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning God save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of God, and His Word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is)better for you! - God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is sufficient as Defender. The Messiah will never scorn to be a N servant unto God, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him. Oh God, bless Your Messenger and Your servant Jesus son of Mary. Peace be on him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the day he shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.

• Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.
• It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.

Then you say:

You claim the Q'uran says the same thing as acknowledging that Christ came in the flesh. Meanwhile, when made that statement, he explained it by saying Christ come int he flesh IS THE SON OF GOD. And what does the Muslim faith say about God's Son?

• Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.
• It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.

And loook what John sasy in the same chapter he speaks of antichrist, merely verses later:

1Jn 2:18-23 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (20) But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. :

1 John 2: (22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (23) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And, lo and behold, right there in the midst of the admonition to love everyone, John also says to deny Jesus is the Son is the be a liar and to not have God. But I am unloving if I believe that. Somehow I twisted that.

Do I think knowing muslims are lost means that condition says I cannot love them? No. No more than knowing homosexuality is a sin causes me to thikn that means I cannot love homosexuals.

The real twisting is done by the world's view that if you think someone is lost, no matter how much you love them, you don't love them, because you cannot say they are not in sin.

John speaks of the spirit of antichrist in the same chapter as he says this:

And look at the other chapter in 1 John that mentions antichrist, the chapter from which you quoted:

1Jn 4:2 KJV Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jn 4:14-16 KJV And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. (16) And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

You claim it is twisting scripture to say those who deny Jesus is the Son of God do not have God, after I read

If my understanding of Acts 2:38 is correct, which is FAR MORE than a verbal agreement, then muslims are lost. And though I repeatedly say I do not say it is verbal agreement with my understanding of Acts 2:38. IT IS A HEART ISSUE. A person can verbally agree all they want to with what I understand of Acts 2:38. But it first of all it is not my understanding of Acts 2:38 that saves anyone. It is what God meant for us to understand about Acts 2:38 that saves. And what God meant for us to understand is what I simply relay. Our HEARTS must believe that Christ's death was necessary to take place in our steads in order for God to remit our sins by putting the punishment we deserved upon Christ. And we are being baptized into that death and buried with Him. And unless our hearts understand we needed His death, it matters not what we verbally confess or agree with. Nothing means anything if the heart does not understand what the bible says about Christ's death.

I think it is evident what you are after you say it is not necessary for muslims to believe Jesus is God's Son, even though John said denial of Him as Son of God means one does not have God and is antichrist.

The fact is you tread on the blood of Jesus as nothing and unnecessary when you state people need only carry their crosses and don't need faith in Christ's death for them on the cross to remit their sins by vicarious atonement and receival of the gift of righteousness.

You can keep hiding behind your facade of "love", and all the while make yourself believe you're on the right track by ignoring references I make to what the bible actually says, and kidding yourself that they must mean something other than what I say, and even manifest that by refusing to so much as answer and provide what YOU believe they say. You can even pawn it off and say you could care less what I believe. All the while, though, you refuse to deal with the bible, and meanwhile I show love to anyone I meet regardless of their faith or lifestyle. So who is the real wolf?

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On the walls of the Dome of the rock, from the Koran:

• Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.
• It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son.
• There is no god but God. He is One. Praise be to NW God, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son,

In the bible:

1Jn 4:12-15 KJV No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. (13) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (14) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. (15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Notice loving one another shows God dwells in us, coupled together with confessing Jesus is Son of God shows God abides in us.

Some like to chop off the second requirement for God indwelling us. Confession that Jesus is Son of God.

They don't like THAT part of John's words about God indwelling us.

1Jn 2:18-23 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (20) But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (23) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Some people think muslims can be are saved despite this demand of God's word to accept the SON OF GOD.

John was so exclusive! Jesus is Soon of God, and Jesus said:

Joh 8:23-24 KJV And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. (24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Who was Jesus?

Jesus said:
So to deny He is son of God is to be antichrist. And to die in your sins. Is Jesus being exclusive? Some think so.