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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas (Post 229024)

It was a real tangible glorifed body that was taken from the earth and was seen NO MORE by anyone after Acts 1:9-11..It is assumed by some here this body went on to sit on a throne somehwere in Heaven.No one knows just as know one knew what happended to the body of Moses [a type of Christ]..I do not believe it is necessary to know or understand simply because God no longer needed the suit of flesh anymore..after the ascension..All was fulfilled..the purpose for the manifestation of God was accomplished..Christ now indwells His Church and we are members of His Body today..Christ fills all in all..To see Jesus is to see him in His saints! We are HIS ambssador his representives..

Rev 1:7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Mat 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Mat 24:30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Mat 24:37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

Mat 26:64 Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

It should be pretty clear that Jesus (aka the Son of Man) still has a body. How else would we see Him?

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Originally Posted by Believer (Post 229174)

Believer above has shown evidence of the same sort of "perceptual gridding" that ApostolicTexas has shown. Quoting scripture to evidently prove one's argument is accomplished in such cases. ApostolicTexas, when you read those verses, you know they mean differently than what Believer infers they mean. In his mind, they prove you wrong. But he ios passing those verses through his perceptual grid, and translating them into what he belives they propose. You have a different grid through which you translate those verses. Someone is wrong in their gridwork. ;)

Well, ApostolicTexas, you did the same thing when you quoted Paul's experience with Christ. You just QUOTE those verses and do not explain them to show the differences between why you think you are correct and we are wrong..

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas (Post 229026)

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So, using your reasoning, Adam must have lost his physical body when the woman was made and he then had a wife, bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh.

If that is what you want to believe brother..Paul was persecuting the Church..yet Jesus told him he [Saul] was persecuting HIM..{Jesus}

the CHURCH is the Body of Christ..

NO, that is not what I WANT to believe. It is what your reasoning must require YOU To believe. But you are not responding to all my points. You are brushing the hard ones beneath the carpet. :)

The church is CHrist's body in the same sense the woman was Adam's body. And you do not understand what that entails.

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 229466)

Paul was persecuting the Church...the body of Christ..:)

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Originally Posted by Believer (Post 229174)

And exactly where do you read that Jesus is speaking directly to YOU today? Jesus was anwsering His Apostles and telling THEM what THEY should expect...in THEIR day {Matthew 24}.not 2000 yrs later to us..Matthew 26 Jesus speaking to Caiphas and telling HIM what He would see..It is either Caiphas saw this come to pass or He is still living among us somewhere since the majority hold to a future coming of Christ

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas (Post 230841)

Paul was persecuting the Church...the body of Christ..:)

Everyone knows that. But AGAIN, for the umpteenth time -- lol you are not READING -- Adam never lost his physical body although his wife was called his body. So why say that Christ has no physical body simply because the church is called His body? Jesus is the last Adam.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The church is Christ's body in the same sense the woman was Adam's body. And you do not understand what that entails.

After so long of espousing a certain teahcing, SOME proponents cross the point of no return, and will stand for it no matter what evidence speaks against it. I think you have come to this point with Full Preterism. I feel this because you are unable to respond to certain points I make.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 205180)

Yes it is silly of you to take someone to task over calling Jesus by the name he was born with. No one asked you to do so or is asking you to do so now. But the silly part is you have been doing this to me ever since back on the Good News Cafe when you were going by Adonyah.

Since you used that name you INDEED must know who YAH is. And various times when I have used a Hebrew name you have taken occasion to murmer about it. Why on Earth did you use AdonYAH for your own name if you know him not and if its silly?

But to refresh your memory I will introduce you to the God of the Bible again.

Old Testament:

4: Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him.
5: A father of the fatherless, and a defender of the widows, is God in his holy habitation. Psalms 68:4 NKJV

New Testament

1: And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2: For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3: And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4: And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5: And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6: And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Rev. 19:1-6

Note here in the New Testament Alleluia is our way of saying HalleluYAH. Also note in these verses YAH is both called God and Lord God omnipotent.

What is the meaning of Yeshua? YAH SAVES

Since you are so offended by these glorious names I will try not to address you with them and use only the English if the Lord will.

Good point!

Why the old testament sing for God? This is need to study further. I got the answer for it. Why we sing for Jesus today?

I can tell you why?

Why Do We Sing For Jesus Today?

http://www.praize.com/cgi-bin/member...hyear=May_2007

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 230875)

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Everyone knows that. But AGAIN, for the umpteenth time -- lol you are not READING -

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At first you seem to struggle with the thought....

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Adam never lost his physical body although his wife was called his body

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What?Now your going to say Adam never died? He did loose his body brother..the man died after 900 yrs..

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So why say that Christ has no physical body simply because the church is called His body? Jesus is the last Adam.

Jesus may have been the Last Adam but we are dealing with the NOW brother
What is Jesus today?Where is he?You believe He is sitting upon a throne in heaven while scripture teaches us He lives in his people upon this earth making up HIS BODY today..We are MEMBERS of HIS BODY..Jesus told his disciples He had to leave..He would not leave them comfortless..I WILL COME TO YOU...Did he come back in the same body brother? No..He came back as the Holy Ghost [we both know this]I do not believe He hung up his suit of flesh in a closet somewhere for a future return.Does Jesus jump in and out of the body?It seems this is your doctrine...

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After so long of espousing a certain teahcing, SOME proponents cross the point of no return, and will stand for it no matter what evidence speaks against it.

Just one scripture bro...One that proves He still has the same body he left with :)

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I think you have come to this point with Full Preterism. I feel this because you are unable to respond to certain points I make.

I was believing this way before I was a full pret..It is elementry..It is so easy a child can pick up and read where the disciples saw Him leave..in a ressurected physical body...and no one has seen THAT body again..Jesus said I must go away..and He did..HE promised to come back and fill his believers with himself..and he did..and He promised yet again to return in judgement and he did..For someone to believe He still reigns in the same body he left with without any scripture whatsoever is what is called "make believe"Oh there may not be scripture that says it but in my mind I know HE still does"..You know brother..it is not a salvation issue..and I will leave you in your land of make believe..cause I understand you got to have it like that to support partial preterism..
I can still fellowship with those of the same mind I might not agree but I can still hug their neck and say Praise the Lord!!!

I feel it is you who must hang on to your physical Jesus doctrine so you can hang on to your partial preterist belief and a still yet future return.There is not a scripture that is still future brother..and no I am not interested in hi jacking this thread turning it into a preterist debate..

There is nothing I can say just as there is nothing you can say to change each others mind..So go ahead and have the last word..I broke my drum..LOL

Texas, when you can answer all my points, then you may have an issue. But until then....