Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 325897)

And as to whether or not the pastor in question is "boastful," I don't know. But you can ask his limo chauffeur.

The website speaks for itself, leave it that.

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 325648)

If you read this statement and Gordon Poe's name was attached to it, would it still be a statement you would back up?

It is not the author that is neing criticied it is the content.

Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 326092)

This is a moronic parting shot to demonstrate...what?

This makes you a liar my friend.

Originally Posted by Carpenter (Post 326095)

That being said, I am not sure ANY self respecting minister would make an attempt to exploit this situation to their own benefit.

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 326443)

This shows that you don't even the guy, Carp. You want pictures? I had lunch with him at an inexpensive cafeteria near CAC. He and his wife arrived in a chauffeured limo, pulled up right to the front door and were escorted from the limo to the line inside of Furr's on South Monaco Street with all off the pomp and circumstance of a state dinner at the White House.



Heh. I guess we are both in agreement here! There are some important clues here as to why our churches don't grow.

Originally Posted by anapko (Post 326663)

Possibly due to the fact that there's too many chaffeured driven limos in the church. I heard from a relative of his that he and his family live in a 3/4 of a million house.

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 326027)

Jekyll....why don't you just call me by name in your post? First, I do not know anything about Colorado politics, other than I have a relative who pastors there. Haymon's obvious close relationship with the UPC (having UPCers in his pulpit and conferences regularly) made me think he was. I guess I could have looked in the manual to see if he was a member in good standing...but anyway, that is not the issue.

Listen, whether this was written by Haymon, Paula White, Kenneth Haney, Gordon Poe, Lee Stoneking, Sam Emory, Nate Wilson, Juanita Bynum, Steve Munsey, Larry Booker, Paul Mooney, Paul Morton, Anthony Mangun, etc.....I would say the same thing...not about the person, but about the article itself. Your opinion of the article and my opinion are at opposite ends, obviously. That is okay. But the implication that I am an ignoramus and malcontent and the first to throw a stone...you know nothing about me.

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 326755)

If you want to take ownership of the direction of my post, go ahead. There were others that made posts in the same uninformed vein.

This cop-out of attacking the article not the author is quite rich. Use this same logic in Luke pointing out that Judas committed suicide. Your position would question the motivation of including such a gruesome event in the Bible without taking account of the author of the book. The written word is a reflection of the man as much if not more than his spoken word.

Also, your response makes it look like you made a knee-jerk reaction to information you don't check out. This has happened before and I hope you don't make a regular practice of posting like this. Just a little FYI.

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC (Post 326768)

Whether Haymon is UPC or not is not the point or issue of this thread.

And, as consistent as I have been on this thread...I don't care who wrote the article, my opinion is the same. If it was my own pastor who wrote the article/statement, I would be disagreeing with the wording as well. That is my opinion...an opinion that is obviously different from yours. I guess we take an agree to disagree on this issue.

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 326779)

And what exactly is my opinion of this article?? At this point, the vehicle of discussion is misfiring on two cylinders so whatever I say about the article will be for naught. You already think you have me pegged, which is ANOTHER uneducated guess. Quit while you're not so far behind the 8 ball.

Originally Posted by He's My Friend (Post 326787)

Maybe....

The limo caught my attention...........

A man in my hometown purchased a limo, (just because he could) and he has the limo driver on staff.

The owner does not ride around in the limo, he actually offers "rides" to folks.

So.....you may be out shopping at the local WalMart, and a long white limo pulls up, and out comes an elderly man in bib overalls.

Usually the elderly make use of this "gift", like rides to the pharmacy, or to the doc's office.




Sorry off topic of the Haymons, but the limo did it for me. :santathumb