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Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 524378)

Rico, You can't break one of the ten comandments, any more, they have been "done away". (I Cor 3:7 & vs 11) The Ten Commandments were the only part of the law, that was "written and engraven in stones". Paul refers to the "Ten Commandments", specifically, as the "ministration of death, and also the "ministration of condemnation".

Bro Rico, the "Ten" have been upgraded to "one" word: Love.

True in part. If you keep the "royal law" you will keep the other ten. However, looking at it from the other viewpoint. Jesus quoted several of the ten commandments and implied the keeping of others.

Whenever I encounter this law/grace argument I always think of this scripture:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Tts 2:11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

GRACE IS NOT ABSENCE OF LAW! And it seems to me that many who make this argument that we are not under the law, do so to make allowence for themselves to practice their own wicked lusts.

EXAMPLE: Remember Dr. Gene Scott --now deceased. Even Oral Roberts fired him from being a professor of religion at ORU and had security throw him off the campus. Dr. Scott later had a TV show in which he would sit with a cigar and teach our "righteousness" in Christ.
His daughter has taken over his so-called "ministry."

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 524435)

You are missing the point. New Covenant, New Priest, New Law.

Are there similarities, yes. Exactly the same in some areas, yes. But not the same and the old law was inferior and is OBSOLETE.

I never said it wasn't but you are trying to say SIN and TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT in the MC is not true now in the new covenant! You make God a liar!

Shall we continue in SIN? Define SIN! Paul points back to transgression of the MC which was God's revealed righteousness! You are trying to say God's nature changes. You clearly are not reading everything as this has been pointed out multiple times and you ignore it. I never said everything transfered as some was type and shadow revealed.

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by U376977 (Post 524445)

True in part. If you keep the "royal law" you will keep the other ten. However, looking at it from the other viewpoint. Jesus quoted several of the ten commandments and implied the keeping of others.

Whenever I encounter this law/grace argument I always think of this scripture:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Tts 2:11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

GRACE IS NOT ABSENCE OF LAW! And it seems to me that many who make this argument that we are not under the law, do so to make allowence for themselves to practice their own wicked lusts.

EXAMPLE: Remember Dr. Gene Scott --now deceased. Even Oral Roberts fired him from being a professor of religion at ORU and had security throw him off the campus. Dr. Scott later had a TV show in which he would sit with a cigar and teach our "righteousness" in Christ.
His daughter has taken over his so-called "ministry."

Actually I believe that is his wife.

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 524442)

How about I give you a verse that say he broke the law? It doesn't say the Jews thought he broke the law. Notice it is not someone speacking but Biblical narrative and therefore true.

John 5:5
Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

So God can sin and his nature change? God can lie and break his own law? God cannot go against his OWN WORD! It is his nature! Seriously man you need to reavaluate carefully what you are saying. To break the law would have made him a false prophet according to what God told Israel to judge a prophet on. To change the law is also a sin. You make Jesus a sinner!

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 524450)

I never said it wasn't but you are trying to say SIN and TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT in the MC is not true now in the new covenant! You make God a liar!

Shall we continue in SIN? Define SIN! Paul points back to transgression of the MC which was God's revealed righteousness! you aretrying to say God's nature changes. You clearly are not reading everything as thishas been pointed out multiple times and you ignore it. I never said everything transfered as some was type and shadow revealed.

Back up friend. I'm not making God anything. Your sentence is barely coherent. We are not taking about sin or antinomianism. We are talking about two covenants. You don't get to operate under two contracts for the same service and you can't live under two covenants.

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 524460)

What is the MC?

His preferred way of referring to the Mosaic law.

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 524439)

really? I thought it was a type and Shadow? I thought JESUS was the foundation (Upon this ROCK I will build my church?)

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:20 (KJV)

Re: Why I break the law

Also he did not break the law he broke mens rules and perceptions and adding to thus making them equal with God. They perverted the word by adding to!

Re: Why I break the law

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 524467)

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:20 (KJV)

So you admit that the OT is not the foundation of the NT. considering that the Prophets and the Aostoles are the foundation and Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone..no?

the prophets do not equal the old covenant.