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Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 749695)

That is about as asinine an answer that I have seen yet. Sorry but as much as I don't agree with UCs on standards I also disagree with these kinds of attempts at finding a loophole.

The subject is hair, long hair. How do you get it LONG? By letting it grow out. That is rather intuitive and should not need an explanation

It is not asinine. It is a perfectly valid and logical response. You stated the meaning was "to let the hair grow". You then asked, "how can you let the hair grow long if you are cutting it?" If you are talking about letting it grow, then no cutting, short of cutting into the follicles (if that is possible), is going to keep it from growing. It is not a loophole, it is fact. The "how long" portion of your post is a separate matter aside from that.

You keep asking how long is long when you know the answer. Everyone knows the answer. We might be able to find culturally how long their hair was, but we will not find an admonition in the Bible in regards to the length. It comes down to personal choice, or the guidelines set by whomever you submit yourself to.

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 749590)

Considering the hair grows from the follicle, and the shaft is made up of dead cells, cutting the shaft at any point past the follicle would not be restricting growth. It would be restricting length, but not growth itself.

just as a hint, THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS

=)

Re: Head Coverings

I see it like this. If a person is not letting their hair grow they are keeping it cut really short (such as in shorn, sheared like a sheep) or shaving their head. Cutting the hair to style it is another subject completely.

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 748335)

Understanding where you are, and knowing what life has in store for you gives me no comfort Alex.

Maturity comes to all of us. For some it is a painful process. You need to spend more time listening to folk like Falla and less time making pronouncements. It will help you immensely…. And save you no end of pain.

LOL! No doubt.... Some of those lessons don't sting any less many years later either.

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 749701)

Mr. Praxeas....not to split hairs...bad joke. But many professionals say that hair actually can grow longer and more health...if split-ends and other things are cut off and that cutting the ends promotes healthy hair. And that leaving the hair in an "uncut" state could cause it to break-off and become shorter.

Ok...not sure why you are telling me that. I'm just telling you guys what the word means

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so which is worst...not cutting the hair and having it break-off and get shorter and unhealth....or cutting the hair in such a way to maintain health and promote growth?

Did you ever see me saying you can't ever cut your hair?

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I am not saying that this is an exact science....but as a man....i must take the advice/input of those who study and know this field.

As someone with a brain, all I am doing is reading what greek scholars say.

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 749789)

So then you can conceivably have 1 inch hair and consider that "letting the hair grow"?

BTW I asked how long is long rhetorically. The definition of the word is "to let the hair grow"..."do not cut the hair".."long hair"...not my definition mind you. Hair is not limited to the follicles. Hair is one continuous strand.

What you are doing is limiting what the word "grow" means to only the follicles and not the entire strand of hair. Do you seriously think that is what the greek word means? To cut the hair anywhere above the follicle?

What about finger nails? do they grow?

How does someone "grow" their hair long when the only part of the hair you say is growing are the follicles?

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 749704)

I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be a history of Jewish women not cutting their hair. Headcovering, yes. But most Jewish women cut their hair.

I guess because there's not a single solitary thing in the OT that prohibits it.

Jewish women had very long hair...they did not keep cutting it...in other words they let their hair grow.

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 748410)

Prax you been reading to much "POPE OF PENTECOST"..LOL

considering I was quoting non Oneness scholars, you never did explain this flippant comment

Re: Head Coverings

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 749431)

BLB relies on Strongs....Strongs is a weak tool for bible language studies.

It's meaning is "to let the hair grow" and the reason the greek scholar I quoted said what he did is obvious to me...how can you let the hair grow long if you are cutting it?

However that does not in my opinion turn into an absolute nor negate cosmetic trimming. The point seems to me is that she is to allow her hair to grow out pretty much as long as she can get it...allow it to grow to full length. I don't believe that is an absolute command though where heaven and hell hinge on. This is about headship and distinction in the sexes. Not about having power or about salvation.

But that is what the word means "to let the hair grow"

So how long is "long"? "to let the hair grow"

bump

Re: Head Coverings

It is so obvious the primary covering is a veil.

Why would the Apostle say women should have UNCUT HAIR when they PRAY OR PROPHESY?

Why would it not be uncut hair ALL THE TIME?

When she prays or prophesies her head must be covered. He is presenting them with a choice.