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aegsm76 03-26-2012 07:53 AM

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We do not know who initiated the contact, but Trayvon also had rights under the Florida "stand your ground" law.
Zimmerman was a clear cop wannabe, as evidenced by the 47 911 calls that he had made in the past.
I believe that this is a clear manslaughter case, at the least.
It cannot be first-degree, because there was no premeditation.
The main issue complicating the prosecution will be the amount of publicity surrounding the case.
And the comments by the President.
And by the way, in case it has not been stated before, Zimmerman is Hispanic.

Nitehawk013 03-26-2012 08:13 AM

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Perhaps the reason Zimm has not been arrested is because the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement knew about the witness who saw it all, knew Zimm acted in self defense, and despite the media outcry...can't arrest a man for defending himself form Trayvon.

I know that is an impossible conclusion though right? After all, everyone knows Trayvon is innocent because Facebook, the POTUSD and every news outlet in the world is telling us Zimmerman is the villain.

I'm tired of the whoel thing. Everyone is jumping to sides based on half truths and media frenzy.

tstew 03-26-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1150323)
Perhaps the reason Zimm has not been arrested is because the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement knew about the witness who saw it all, knew Zimm acted in self defense, and despite the media outcry...can't arrest a man for defending himself form Trayvon.

I know that is an impossible conclusion though right? After all, everyone knows Trayvon is innocent because Facebook, the POTUSD and every news outlet in the world is telling us Zimmerman is the villain.

I'm tired of the whoel thing. Everyone is jumping to sides based on half truths and media frenzy.

You can't just blame everything in the world on Obama and the media. I, and other people, have said that our conclusion is based largely on the real-life, recorded conversation he had when he called the police prior to the incident and prior to any confrontation. I don't see how you can blatantly disregard what you were told to do when you called "the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement", gratuitously create a situation where you kill a 17 year old kid, claim self defense, and walk away scot free.
I would say this no matter what the racial particulars were...it just seems like basic, common sense to me.

trialedbyfire 03-26-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1150281)
You must be making reference to yet another witness. I am confident the grand jury will dig up all the available evidence. May justice be done.

So Hoovie how do you think (simply speculation) a Trayvon Martin 9-11 call might change the case if the link I provided is true and Trayvon really did dial 9-11?

Pressing-On 03-26-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 1150343)
You can't just blame everything in the world on Obama and the media. I, and other people, have said that our conclusion is based largely on the real-life, recorded conversation he had when he called the police prior to the incident and prior to any confrontation. I don't see how you can blatantly disregard what you were told to do when you called "the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement", gratuitously create a situation where you kill a 17 year old kid, claim self defense, and walk away scot free.
I would say this no matter what the racial particulars were...it just seems like basic, common sense to me.

Stew,
We don't really know what happened after he made that call. Circumstances could have changed.

I believe the media frenzy, just like the Duke lacrosse incident, is jumping to conclusions way too fast and too hard. And I think Obama jumped into it just like he did Professor Gates. It all smells like the same scenario.

trialedbyfire 03-26-2012 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1150323)
Perhaps the reason Zimm has not been arrested is because the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement knew about the witness who saw it all, knew Zimm acted in self defense, and despite the media outcry...can't arrest a man for defending himself form Trayvon.

I know that is an impossible conclusion though right? After all, everyone knows Trayvon is innocent because Facebook, the POTUSD and every news outlet in the world is telling us Zimmerman is the villain.

I'm tired of the whoel thing. Everyone is jumping to sides based on half truths and media frenzy.

I'd love to believe that the professionals in local law enforcement generally make good judgments on things when they arrive at the scene of crimes. My experience is the exact opposite however. I remember there was a fight in a neighborhood I was living in years ago right outside of my apartment. It happened in a field where the kids were playing football outside of the apartment complex.

I checked the police report later on that month because I was involved in the case as a witness and saw EVERYTHING. There were so many things that were just downright wrong, even down to silly things like the officer who arrived writting that the incident happened while the kids were playing basketball on a basketball court. That neighborhood didn't even have a basketball court anywhere within close range of us. This isn't my only experience just one of the funnier ones since nobody was injured... that badly anyway.

bbyrd009 03-26-2012 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tstew (Post 1150343)
You can't just blame everything in the world on Obama and the media. I, and other people, have said that our conclusion is based largely on the real-life, recorded conversation he had when he called the police prior to the incident and prior to any confrontation. I don't see how you can blatantly disregard what you were told to do when you called "the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement", gratuitously create a situation where you kill a 17 year old kid, claim self defense, and walk away scot free.
I would say this no matter what the racial particulars were...it just seems like basic, common sense to me.

Ya, can't wait to hear the defense: "An unaccompanied 17 year old, whom I outweigh by 70 pounds, attacked me." (With what?)
(Lol, wait--with what?)

Nitehawk013 03-26-2012 12:42 PM

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A 17 yr old who was 6'2 and played football. Yeah, maybe he outweighed him, but lets not keep retending this was some 100 soaking wet, 5'6 shrub of a boy.

Pressing-On 03-26-2012 01:13 PM

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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

2:56 p.m. EST, March 26, 2012|

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ated-community

Pressing-On 03-26-2012 01:18 PM

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Former Reporter Joe Oliver Defends Friend George Zimmerman On Fox News

And while he agreed with many pundits that this cause has brought up racial issues that need to be addressed and talked about, Oliver felt that “at its core, it is not a racial case.” He also felt the case had nothing to do with the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law, saying that “in this case, once the evidence is presented, everyone will see that it wasn’t an issue of ‘Stand Your Ground,’ it was an issue of, at some point, someone was going to die… and it happened to be Trayvon, tragically.”



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