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Joelel 09-05-2008 05:21 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
How does a person remitt someones sins or retain them ?

John20:23: Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained

Ev. Duane Williams 09-05-2008 05:35 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 583359)
How does a person remitt someones sins or retain them ?

John20:23: Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained

Refuse to Baptize them.:whistle

Tim Rutledge 09-05-2008 06:46 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams (Post 583353)
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).

Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin

:dance

Good post.

SDG 09-05-2008 07:20 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams (Post 583353)
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).

Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin

:dance

Cute anecdote ... NO BIBLE.

Tim Rutledge 09-05-2008 07:24 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 583442)
Cute anecdote ... NO BIBLE.

Find a different forum man.
Your clueless.

Rhoni 09-05-2008 07:46 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams (Post 583353)
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).

Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin

:dance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 583414)
Good post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 583442)
Cute anecdote ... NO BIBLE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 583444)
Find a different forum man.
Your clueless.

Dan, I don't think you should leave the forum..you know I love you hon:friend, BUT I think it was an excellent anaology and I do not think a person is saved at belief...or else the devil would be saved also:whistle. He that believeth and is baptized...shall be; Mark 16:16, John 3:3, 5, Acts 2:38 & 39. I am not a stepper...but I know if you believe you will obey.

Blessings, Rhoni
Table of the Eternal Spirit
Act 29:20

Ferd 09-05-2008 08:09 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
I think instead of pushing baptist junk on an Apostolic board, DanA ought to go find another bill price to corrupt. He did a fine job on ole bill.

mizpeh 09-05-2008 08:38 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Dan,

I worked a 12 hour shift and have lost the energy to sharpen swords with you tonight.

So just to get started here are my premises in the form of a syllogism:

First a presupposition: Remission and Forgiveness is the same thing, they come from the same Greek word. This is not to say a Greek word cannot have a variety of meanings, but the meanings of "aphesis" are all very similar: release, pardon, cancellation, forgiveness, remission and the majority of the time are linked with sin. (I would like to see someone present a contrary opinion with scriptural proof.)

1) Sins are remitted by the applied blood of Jesus Christ.

2) Remission of sins takes place at water baptism in Jesus name.

3) Therefore, the blood of Christ is applied at water baptism.


I'll give scriptural proof for these premises tomorrow. :)

Ev. Duane Williams 09-05-2008 09:01 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 583442)
Cute anecdote ... NO BIBLE.

Acts 2:38
Mark 16:16
Acts 10:47
Acts 22:16
Romans 6:3-4
1 Corinthians 12:13
Galatians 3:27
John 3:5
1 John 5:8
Colossians 2:12
1 Peter 3:21

:snapout

freeatlast 09-05-2008 09:02 PM

Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 583475)
I think instead of pushing baptist junk on an Apostolic board, DanA ought to go find another bill price to corrupt. He did a fine job on ole bill.

Awwww come on Ferd !!! You can't blame Bill Price's instability on Dan.

Bill was unstable long before Dan A tried to be a friend to him.


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