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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1051840)

Tell that to the Apostle Paul.

LOL, Pretty vague there.

Paul said : 1 Timothy 2:9—In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

So where is the SPECIFIC Standard of Modest Dress? He just said Modest Apparel.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by NorCal (Post 1051835)

Modesty is biblical. Specific standards of modesty are not. The only distinction that should be made (biblically) is between the sexes.

Agreed. But it is never said to show Christians are distinct from the world. That is my point.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1051844)

Agreed. But it is never said to show Christians are distinct from the world. That is my point.

Other then a Godly woman would not wear "that which pertaineth unto a man".

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by NorCal (Post 1051846)

Other then a Godly woman would not wear "that which pertaineth unto a man".

Yes, let's talk Deuteronomy shall we.... have a few hours? :)

Also, would love to see you post a photo of yourself wearing some women's pants.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by NorCal (Post 1051846)

Other then a Godly woman would not wear "that which pertaineth unto a man".

The bible still does not say that this detail is mean to distinguish a christian from the world. Where are the words in passages associated with appearance similar to "By this shall all men know you are my disciples"?

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by NorCal (Post 1051846)

Other then a Godly woman would not wear "that which pertaineth unto a man".

amen morcal,

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by faithit166 (Post 1051952)

amen morcal,

Wrong. No scripture says modest dress or engendered dress shows the world we are Christians. Where do you guys get this from? The bible says men look like men and women look like women and everyone be modest. BUT NOT TO LET THE WORLD KNOW WE'RE SAVED. Just for good old sensibility's and goodness' sake!

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1051844)

Agreed. But it is never said to show Christians are distinct from the world. That is my point.

I think that you said you view the passage in I Corinthians 11 as wearing a veil. Isn't that a distinction between the church and the world?

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1052073)

I think that you said you view the passage in I Corinthians 11 as wearing a veil. Isn't that a distinction between the church and the world?

I see this as a veil, but that is a cultural thing and veils were common and still are among muslims, etc. It is an eastern thing, not a Christian thing, really. Today in our culture, veils do not make someone think of submission of the woman, So it is moot here in our part of the world. Paul appealed to them to abide by things that the world abode by. It was shocking to the world to see women unveiled since the world even did that! lol

But no where does the bible say to dress a way to appeal to the world to show them we are Christians. That is my point. Doing something the bible said does not mean it is for the world to know we are Christians. There are other reasons than for the world to know we are saved. Somehow this idea was added to the bible that these things tell the world we are saved, when that is not their purposes. ONLY LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER is meant to show the world who we are. Let's take Jesus' words and stick with them and not add to the bible. It's like many apostolics have left the words of Jesus and exchanged them for words about clothing. Scary.

Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1052082)

But, if the Bible is telling us to do something (short hair on men, veil or long hair on women), isn't that a distinction for us?

Of course, it doesn't make us saved. I am only staying saved as much as I submit myself to God. But, really, if the Bible is instructing us to do anything, it is a separation from what the world is doing. It is a mark for us, isn't it?