Apostolic Friends Forum
Page 16 of 23 « First 6789101112131415 16 17181920212223
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Apostolic Friends Forum (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/index.php)
-   The D.A.'s Office (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65)
-   -   Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next??? (https://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=33381)

*AQuietPlace* 03-30-2011 06:23 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1052091)
But, if the Bible is telling us to do something (short hair on men, veil or long hair on women), isn't that a distinction for us?

Of course, it doesn't make us saved. I am only staying saved as much as I submit myself to God. But, really, if the Bible is instructing us to do anything, it is a separation from what the world is doing. It is a mark for us, isn't it?
He wasn't telling them to do something different than the world was doing, he was telling them to DO what the world was doing. It wasn't a mark of separation - quite the opposite.

Socialite 03-30-2011 06:25 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 1052382)
He wasn't telling them to do something different than the world was doing, he was telling them to DO what the world was doing. It wasn't a mark of separation - quite the opposite.
Profound point.

Pressing-On 03-30-2011 06:28 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1052381)
Thus saith, PO. :)

It's not just the basis, it's the width, depth and breadth of it. It's all-encompassing.

Wearing sleeves to your elbows, requiring brown pantyhose only, no pants, and making sure you consciously go to great pains of looking different than the church down the street is not the sign of a disciple.... it's a sign though :)
I wasn't coming from the perspective of standards. But from the point of modesty, we do have a distinction set by the Word of God. We always seem to say or think that our outward appearance is not discussed, but was discussed.

And my opinion is that every man/woman should live by their convictions and I don't question someone's convictions. It's none of my business and my convictions are not anyone's business either. :)

Pressing-On 03-30-2011 06:28 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 1052382)
He wasn't telling them to do something different than the world was doing, he was telling them to DO what the world was doing. It wasn't a mark of separation - quite the opposite.
I don't think so. That doesn't even make sense. The Apostles preached a distinction.

I'm sure the whole "world" wasn't doing this:

1 Timothy 2:9 "I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety," (NIV)

1 Timothy 2:9 "And I want women to be modest in their appearance." (NLT)

1 Timothy 2:9 "I would like for women to wear modest and sensible clothes." (CEV)

Socialite 03-30-2011 06:38 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1052386)
I don't think so. That doesn't even make sense. The Apostles preached a distinction.

I'm sure the whole "world" wasn't doing this:

1 Timothy 2:9 "I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety," (NIV)

1 Timothy 2:9 "And I want women to be modest in their appearance." (NLT)

1 Timothy 2:9 "I would like for women to wear modest and sensible clothes." (CEV)
Yes, it makes sense. Paul's reference to what seems natural/normal, is appeal to not shaming the husband (not according to Church teaching, but social more), etc.

Our separation affects how we even clothe ourselves, though I'm not sure that's as glaring a recognition/contrast as many preach it, force it, command it to be.

Pressing-On 03-30-2011 06:42 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socialite (Post 1052391)
Yes, it makes sense. Paul's reference to what seems natural/normal, is appeal to not shaming the husband (not according to Church teaching, but social more), etc.

Our separation affects how we even clothe ourselves, though I'm not sure that's as glaring a recognition/contrast as many preach it, force it, command it to be.
Yes, I agree! :thumbsup

Esther 03-30-2011 09:58 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1052378)
I think everything we do and how we look is also involved. Not just love alone. That is, of course, the basis of everything - love. But, IMO, it's like the gifts of the spirit. We operate in them, but the basis of our operating is and needs to be centered in love.
Exactly.

Esther 03-30-2011 10:00 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 1052382)
He wasn't telling them to do something different than the world was doing, he was telling them to DO what the world was doing. It wasn't a mark of separation - quite the opposite.
Somehow I don't think this is what you mean in the entire of not being different.

If you are saying they didn't dress different than the world, I for the most part agree with you. But a blanket be like the world is not what Jesus preached.

Pressing-On 03-30-2011 10:40 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1052445)
Somehow I don't think this is what you mean in the entire of not being different.

If you are saying they didn't dress different than the world, I for the most part agree with you. But a blanket be like the world is not what Jesus preached.
I think they may have dressed, somewhat, different or Timothy wouldn't have raised the issue and given the teaching that he did. It would be the same circumstances with us today. Two blouse choices - one low cut, one not. Two skirt choices - one short and tight, one not. Two pant choices - one tight and one not. Worldly and Christian choices. We make them today.

IMO, he wouldn't have said what he did if he wasn't contrasting the issue with what he saw as an outside influence. If everyone was dressing the same and it was all peachy keen, I don't think Timothy would have addressed what he wanted from them.

mfblume 03-30-2011 11:47 PM
Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1052386)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AQuietPlace
He wasn't telling them to do something different than the world was doing, he was telling them to DO what the world was doing. It wasn't a mark of separation - quite the opposite.
I don't think so. That doesn't even make sense. The Apostles preached a distinction.

As far as 1 Cor 11 is concerned, the world WAS doing that, though. The custom of everyone in that part of the world was a woman wearing a veil to indicate submission. And Paul also noted that any woman felt it was a shame to be bald, in the world or not.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:37 AM.
Page 16 of 23 « First 6789101112131415 16 17181920212223
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.