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The point of the question of Christ is not that Moses lifted up the serpent, or that Christ died on the cross. The point is in the simplicity of the New Birth. As Moses lifted up the serpent... All the children of Israel had to do was look with belief and they were healed. All a sinner has to do is look to the cross and believe.

In the OT when the priest took the blood into the holy of holies once a year, to offer the blood of sacrifice that would cover the nations sins. The whole nation was gathered before the tabernacle, waiting to see if the priest came back out. Meaning the offering was accepted.

In like manner Christ being the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, offered himself on the cross for the whole world and appeared three days later. Cleaning the slate not just for the nation of Israel but the world. As the nation of Israel only had to believe the sacrifice was accepted. All we have to do is believe in the sacrifice of the cross.

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well, i suggest that satan believes this, too; he has no doubt whatsoever that Christ saves. So what is the difference in faith and beliefs?

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so what i am hearing is that when you meet someone new, and they tell you that they are a Christian, apropos of nothing, you accept this at face value.

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But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works." You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe — and they shudder.

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You have made reference to the very passage that I go to in gaging a true Christian. That by their works, BUT those works are not the works many base their understanding on. A true Christian is not found just by following a certain plan of salvation, those are not the works James is speaking of IMO. Rather the fruit of the spirit, and that is not found by a casual meeting. But yes I accept a persons first declaration of being a Christian until proven differently by their fruits.

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Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Long before Abraham offered his son, his faith was counted as righteousness!

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yes, so iow he had a pure heart, from which his works flowed, right.

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Acts 2:40-41 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: (15) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (16) (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 10:46-47 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, (47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Acts 22:15-16 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. (16) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 19:4-5 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. (5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Spot-on, on the spot.

Jesus put it before salvation. Still, Mark 16:16. Peter says it flatly is part of what saves.

Like I said, if just believing and calling on the name (which is more than believing) is salvation, Peter would have told them there was no more for them to do.

But it was salvation they asked about since we read the words that Peter gave, plus more, were about salvation.

Acts 2:38-40 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

That says that the words of verse 38-39 along with many more were about salvation.

No, it was getting saved. Again, verse 40.

You should be concerned. SAVED is a very biblical. Why dislike a VERY biblical word?

Mat_19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Luk_7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk_8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk_13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk_18:26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?
Joh_3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh_3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh_5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Joh_10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act_2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Act_11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act_15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act_15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act_16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom_5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom_5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom_8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom_9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom_10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co_3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co_10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
1Co_15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
2Co_2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1Th_2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
2Th_2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1Ti_2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti_2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Tit_3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
1Pe_3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe_4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
2Pe_2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Jud_1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.


he never had the chance before they received the Spirit. Bro., he was caught offguard in the midst of his sermon. He didn't get a chance to go further before they spoke in tongues.

He never got the chance to before they interrupted him with tongues. So he made sure they heard it next. Why do you think Philip baptized people in Samaria. Paul told them to get baptized in Jesus' name in Ephesus. Acts 19. It's everywhere.

Wrong. He asked both.

It was not an issue of the name back then before trinitarianism existed.

No. It gets us into the death of Jesus. That is one issue you have never responded to yet.

And it gets them into his death.